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Anonymous Coward User ID: 159906 United States 04/12/2007 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | by some sects that John the Baptist, not Christ, was the true Jewish messiah. ... As James Miegs, Popular Science's editor-in-chief, indicates in an afterword, ...prairieprogressive.com/?m=200609&paged=2 - 76k - Cached - More from this site All files of Miegs assertions are missing.hmmmmmm |
Titorite User ID: 99994 United States 04/12/2007 08:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it any suprise that popular mechanics belive that you can demolish steel skyscrapers with kerosine? I have seen the pictures of the melted steel CDI had to clean up. Kerosine doesn't cause molten steel. www.wtc7.net Pacnguy is a clown! wwww.johntitor.com no I am not THE John Titor. logdune! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 222417 Japan 04/12/2007 08:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it any suprise that popular mechanics belive that you can demolish steel skyscrapers with kerosine? Quoting: TitoriteI have seen the pictures of the melted steel CDI had to clean up. Kerosine doesn't cause molten steel. That's not what they said. They said: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 222470 Germany 04/12/2007 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it any suprise that popular mechanics belive that you can demolish steel skyscrapers with kerosine? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 222417I have seen the pictures of the melted steel CDI had to clean up. Kerosine doesn't cause molten steel. That's not what they said. They said: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks." |
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Titorite User ID: 99994 United States 04/12/2007 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.uwgb.edu] one such picture is here www.wtc7.net Pacnguy is a clown! wwww.johntitor.com no I am not THE John Titor. logdune! |
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Titorite User ID: 99994 United States 04/12/2007 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | another spot with lots of melted steel photos [link to images.google.com] www.wtc7.net Pacnguy is a clown! wwww.johntitor.com no I am not THE John Titor. logdune! |
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mathetes User ID: 160832 United States 04/12/2007 09:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | David Ray Griffin is coming out with a new 9/11 book this month called Debunking the Debunkers. He will rip Popular Mechanics' and NIST's claims a new one in this book... Quoting: Kurtwell I'm comimg out with a book NEXT month called "Debunking the Debunkers who debunk" Lets see him top that! For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 222022 United States 04/12/2007 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | David Ray Griffin is coming out with a new 9/11 book this month called Debunking the Debunkers. He will rip Popular Mechanics' and NIST's claims a new one in this book... Quoting: matheteswell I'm comimg out with a book NEXT month called "Debunking the Debunkers who debunk" Lets see him top that! You won't top David's book, so can it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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All About Truth User ID: 222529 United States 04/12/2007 11:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 10 Things we learned about 9/11 in 2004 the information is there all you have to do is look and question why the media does not cover this stuff. 1. The World Trade Center Black Boxes were recovered, though officials perpetuate the lie that they weren't. 2. FEMA really did arrive early in New York City, for the "bioterror drill" Tripod II, and Rudi Giuliani's testimony to that effect before the 9/11 Commission is its only public testimony which remains officially untranscribed. 3. The Total Information Awareness program was ready to roll out before Sept 11, and John Poindexter's office was established in the Pentagon no later than Sept 12. 4. A recording of six air traffic controllers' same-day detailing of their communication with two hijacked planes on September 11 was purposefully destroyed by the FAA. 5. NORAD was conducting a live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings on the morning of 9/11, which effectively hamstrung a fighter response already compromised by exercises which took the bulk of interceptors far from the eastern seaboard. 6. Dick Cheney was running a separate command and control communications system on 9/11, which whistleblower Indira Singh recognized as having "the exact same functionality I was looking to utilize [for] Ptech," the high tech terrorist and intelligence cut-out that "was set up in the basement of the FAA" for two years before the attacks. (Go to this page to download video testimony of Mike Ruppert and Indira Singh on this subject.) 7. George Bush was unwilling to reluctanctly meet members of his reluctantly struck 9/11 Commission unless Cheney accompanied him, both were unsworn, their words were unrecorded and untranscribed, the meeting was private and in the White House, and the members' notebooks were confiscated afterwards. 8. That John Ashcroft made the case for Sibel Edmonds' State Secret Privilege gag order by claiming that disclosure of her testimony would "cause serious damage to the national security interests of the United States" suggests he is at least an accessory after the fact (Daniel Ellsberg believes Ashcroft deserving of jail time for his role in obstructing justice), as Edmonds has been able to say that her testimony involves "specific information implicating certain high level government and elected officials in criminal activities directly and indirectly related to terrorist money laundering, narcotics, and illegal arms sales." 9. Donald Rumsfeld confirmed what we knew all along, that Flight 93 was shot down, and the corporate media flew into damage control for the Pentagon, saying the Secretary "misspoke" and "stoked conspiracy theories." 10. As Pakistan wound down the search for Osama bin Laden and "prohibited" American forces based in Afghanistan from making cross-border incursions into the Tribal Areas, Musharraf was rewarded with the approving words that his continuing rule remains an internal matter for Pakistanis. (Afghanistan was, arguably, more cooperative in their attempt to bring bin Laden to justice, and Iraq was not a rogue nuclear state.) |
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All About Truth User ID: 222529 United States 04/13/2007 12:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to rigorousintuition.blogspot.com] Please read this the links to the information are all there educate yourself dont be used. |