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TheOneWhoKnows (OP) User ID: 203107 United States 04/14/2007 05:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't necessarily believe chemtrails are simply contrails either. But I have been talking to this guy a while and he knows his stuff.. he lead the most compelling argument against chemtrails I have ever read. Public schooling has been a very informative and insightful institution for me, helping my formation as a productive member of society. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 220555 United States 04/14/2007 06:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't necessarily believe chemtrails are simply contrails either. But I have been talking to this guy a while and he knows his stuff.. he lead the most compelling argument against chemtrails I have ever read. Quoting: TheOneWhoKnowsWhy don't you trust your own eyes and judgement instead of relying on others' explanations? You think these are ordinary contrails? [link to i27.photobucket.com] [link to i27.photobucket.com] [link to i27.photobucket.com] |
The Rock User ID: 197038 United States 04/14/2007 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All this idiot did was explain the formation of contrails. Let him explain their duration of many hours or length in 100's of miles. He will not because he cannot. Vapor/contrails cool and disapate almost instantly. Just like with crop dusting their must be a foreign material in the trails to cause their persistance from the stratosphere lingering right down into our troposphere and literally blotting out the sky. I've seen commercial flights nearly side by side (within a few hundred miles) one creating contrails and the other something MUCH different . Ones trails disappearing a few miles behind the plane .... the other lingering long after the plane is hours from sight. Don't let anyone con you. There's something going on and it's not simple contrails. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 223192 United States 04/14/2007 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dude, there is no way now you could ever convince some of us that chemtrails are not on purpose. Early evening yesterday when the sun started to descend, the sky was clear and thye started laying x's in front of it, in a few hours you could see the sun dogs, Gee I'm really looking forward to maybe one or two days of absolutely bbluew skies this spring and summer, This is BS I want the truth My friends think I'm crazy, I soo can't wait to say hahah told ya so. I'm sick and tired of being laughed at |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 115914 Canada 04/14/2007 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't necessarily believe chemtrails are simply contrails either. But I have been talking to this guy a while and he knows his stuff.. he lead the most compelling argument against chemtrails I have ever read. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 220555Why don't you trust your own eyes and judgement instead of relying on others' explanations? You think these are ordinary contrails? [link to i27.photobucket.com] [link to i27.photobucket.com] [link to i27.photobucket.com] great pictures |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 115914 Canada 04/14/2007 10:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't necessarily believe chemtrails are simply contrails either. But I have been talking to this guy a while and he knows his stuff.. he lead the most compelling argument against chemtrails I have ever read. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 115914Why don't you trust your own eyes and judgement instead of relying on others' explanations? You think these are ordinary contrails? [link to i27.photobucket.com] [link to i27.photobucket.com] [link to i27.photobucket.com] great pictures "contrails" like that turn into full sky coverage |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 218975 United States 04/14/2007 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Highway in the sky? More like Tic-Tac-Toe in the sky. Try not to be so gulible and entertain these silly debunkers. [link to img177.imageshack.us] [link to img177.imageshack.us] [link to img340.imageshack.us] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 156429 United States 04/15/2007 02:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have been flying jets for over 20 years and I agree with this guy. All of the contrails I have ever seen are normal... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 223393remind me never to hop on a plane you're flying. Tha shouldn't be a problem. I fly corporate jets. You can't afford the ticket... |
Today Is Always The Day User ID: 222956 United States 04/15/2007 02:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "As an aerospace engineer, I know a lot about ideally-expanded, over-expanded, and under-expanded jet engine exhaust dynamics. And I don't know how many times I have tried to explain to the chemtrails conspiracy theorists the FACT that jet engines are designed to a SPECIFIC atmospheric condition for optimal performance. For some reason they think they know better than me (and yet they cannot explain their theory in mathematic terms like I can explain the natural state of jet exhaust expansion to them). Quoting: TheOneWhoKnowsI have never (and that means never EVER) seen any quantified evidence that would demonstrate that any CONTRAIL that appears in the sky is anything more than a normally over-expanded jet exhaust operating in an atmospheric area where the water density is already high (almost saturated), and the passing of the jet engine through that atmospheric condition has caused the high water density to be condensed into visible exhaust plumes. As part of my undergrad Aero studies I had to program a "generic jet engine" model. Some of its inputs are the atmospheric conditions in which the jet engine operates. This simple model can reliably predict and model contrails due to over-expansion of a jet engine nozzle. This is why you will never see someone with a degree in aerospace engineering endorsing the "chemtrail" conspiracy theory. We all know just how normal a CONTRAIL pattern is given the parameters which govern jet engine operation in a variable atmospheric condition. The "highways in the skies" are actually the very REASON they appear so regular! There are specific enroute "paths in the skies" that are called Victor Airways. They are a throwback to the days before GPS when aircraft would fly "FROM" one radio navigation sensor (abbreviated VOR for Very high Omni Range) "TO" another. (note: Victor airways comes from VOR). And in terminal areas (airports) there are very specific, published approach & departure routes which all pilots (and computer navigation systems) possess and know how to fly. Air Traffic Control is NOT a random science. Finally, there are also rules for assigned altitudes for aircraft to cruise. These rules go as follows: For aircraft traveling on magnetic headings of 000 thru 179 degrees, they will be assigned an odd numbered altitude (for example, 31,000 feet). For aircraft traveling on magnetic headgins of 180 thru 359 degrees, they will be assigned an even numbered altitude (for example, 32,000 feet). This ensure separation, and also allows crossing contrail patterns. The following is another set of NASA websites which you can read at leisure and learn all about the highly-technical, highly-coordinated "dance" of air traffic control operations in the US: [link to virtualskies.arc.nasa.gov] RMT PS - One reason for the "rows side by side" can be easily understood when you consider airplanes generally have two engines on their wings, or in the case of 747s 4 engines on their wings. " The above was written by RainmanTime on the time travel institute forums. If this is the case, then why aren't there any "normal" clouds forming at the same time with so much moisture up there because usually when the sun is heating the earth, clouds form from this interaction of moisture and heat. Also, normal water vapor dissipates or moves on, but this crap lingers and spreads out until it forms a blanket, and this is not because so many planes have flown right next to each other creating a blanket. Normal cloud don't spread out like that. And one more point, how come on days when there are no lengthy miles long thick trails, there are also no large white planes in the sky? Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled, and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted. |
Today Is Always The Day User ID: 222956 United States 04/15/2007 02:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "As an aerospace engineer, I know a lot about ideally-expanded, over-expanded, and under-expanded jet engine exhaust dynamics. And I don't know how many times I have tried to explain to the chemtrails conspiracy theorists the FACT that jet engines are designed to a SPECIFIC atmospheric condition for optimal performance. For some reason they think they know better than me (and yet they cannot explain their theory in mathematic terms like I can explain the natural state of jet exhaust expansion to them). Quoting: Today Is Always The DayI have never (and that means never EVER) seen any quantified evidence that would demonstrate that any CONTRAIL that appears in the sky is anything more than a normally over-expanded jet exhaust operating in an atmospheric area where the water density is already high (almost saturated), and the passing of the jet engine through that atmospheric condition has caused the high water density to be condensed into visible exhaust plumes. As part of my undergrad Aero studies I had to program a "generic jet engine" model. Some of its inputs are the atmospheric conditions in which the jet engine operates. This simple model can reliably predict and model contrails due to over-expansion of a jet engine nozzle. This is why you will never see someone with a degree in aerospace engineering endorsing the "chemtrail" conspiracy theory. We all know just how normal a CONTRAIL pattern is given the parameters which govern jet engine operation in a variable atmospheric condition. The "highways in the skies" are actually the very REASON they appear so regular! There are specific enroute "paths in the skies" that are called Victor Airways. They are a throwback to the days before GPS when aircraft would fly "FROM" one radio navigation sensor (abbreviated VOR for Very high Omni Range) "TO" another. (note: Victor airways comes from VOR). And in terminal areas (airports) there are very specific, published approach & departure routes which all pilots (and computer navigation systems) possess and know how to fly. Air Traffic Control is NOT a random science. Finally, there are also rules for assigned altitudes for aircraft to cruise. These rules go as follows: For aircraft traveling on magnetic headings of 000 thru 179 degrees, they will be assigned an odd numbered altitude (for example, 31,000 feet). For aircraft traveling on magnetic headgins of 180 thru 359 degrees, they will be assigned an even numbered altitude (for example, 32,000 feet). This ensure separation, and also allows crossing contrail patterns. The following is another set of NASA websites which you can read at leisure and learn all about the highly-technical, highly-coordinated "dance" of air traffic control operations in the US: [link to virtualskies.arc.nasa.gov] RMT PS - One reason for the "rows side by side" can be easily understood when you consider airplanes generally have two engines on their wings, or in the case of 747s 4 engines on their wings. " The above was written by RainmanTime on the time travel institute forums. If this is the case, then why aren't there any "normal" clouds forming at the same time with so much moisture up there because usually when the sun is heating the earth, clouds form from this interaction of moisture and heat. Also, normal water vapor dissipates or moves on, but this crap lingers and spreads out until it forms a blanket, and this is not because so many planes have flown right next to each other creating a blanket. Normal cloud don't spread out like that. And one more point, how come on days when there are no lengthy miles long thick trails, there are also no large white planes in the sky? Oh, and thanks for giving us a NASA link to check out - as if they would tell us the truth! Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled, and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted. |
Today Is Always The Day User ID: 222956 United States 04/15/2007 02:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have been flying jets for over 20 years and I agree with this guy. All of the contrails I have ever seen are normal... Quoting: Captain Dan nli 156429Well, I've been on this planet for nearly 50 years, and I've never saw these kinds of "Contrail" when I was younger, so what - all the sudden nature is doing something different? You're a liar to say you've seen things like this for 20 years. Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled, and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted. |
SHOkNOVA User ID: 203583 United States 04/15/2007 02:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If only there was a way to "see" electro-magnetic resonance.... Quoting: SHOkNOVAyou know, like lifting fingerprints.... <DJ/End-user-Abuser/Psychonaut> Like torches in the aeon flow, Even suns flicker and die Forgotten as the ages grow, Eternity is not for you |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 108420 United States 04/15/2007 02:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have been flying jets for over 20 years and I agree with this guy. All of the contrails I have ever seen are normal... Quoting: Today Is Always The DayWell, I've been on this planet for nearly 50 years, and I've never saw these kinds of "Contrail" when I was younger, so what - all the sudden nature is doing something different? You're a liar to say you've seen things like this for 20 years. I've seen contrails for a hell of a lot longer than 20 years. People who say "chem-trails" exist have no clue. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 205 United States 04/15/2007 03:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Any doubters need to read and look at this entire site. The evidence is hard to not notice. [link to imageevent.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 223672 United States 04/15/2007 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Any doubters need to read and look at this entire site. The evidence is hard to not notice. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 205[link to imageevent.com] That is a loon site. This is a real site. [link to asd-www.larc.nasa.gov] With real facts. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1169316 United States 11/19/2010 09:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The only problem with this is that, although these statements are true, they do not make other statements about chem trails false. Don't you get it? This is basic logic. Because airplanes CAN and DO transport passengers from one area to another does NOT mean that they don't also transport weapons, food, armies, chemicals etc.. Read more people.... This is not a statement against chemtrails whether the author admits it or not... It is simply explaining something he knows to be true... How most trails are created. He does not and can not know all there is to know about every airplane in the sky and their intents and purposes. Think people... We are Americans... We are responsible for our own thinking.. Do NOT rely on others to think and explain for you so you are comfortable and can continue in your laziness. Know the facts, think logically, be open-minded and hear all sides before deciding. You are the judge not some guy who has more education or training than you. You are able to think for yourself! Do it NOW! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 617593 United States 11/19/2010 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "where water density is already high" I suppose that would sound like a very plausible explaination to me if I lived somewhere else besides Phoenix, Az- one of the dryest places on the planet. We get these things ALL the time!! If they are normal, it doesn' have anything to do with water density being high. |