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| KJ
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4/16/2007 1:00 PM
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-ONE IN THE SAME-
This is no doubt the "Port Arthur Massacre" for the US, given the current gun control push of the fascist powers-that-be.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
HR 1022 will fly through Congress now, and has additional clauses to ban all semi-automatic firearms.
The deaths of the 22+ people at VT are insignificant to those that wish to take away your freedoms to protect yourselves from them.
Get what you can, while you still can. |
| KJ
User ID: 224050 (OP)
4/16/2007 1:20 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
Australian Gun Control; Port Arthur Massacre:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
H.R. 1022: "Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007"
[link to www.govtrack.us]
CNN: "This is the deadliest campus shooting in US history."
The news has not reported yet, but I am waiting to hear the phrase "assault weapon[/b." This is not to distract from the sadness of the deaths and injuries at VT, but this will no doubt become another issue entirely as far as the Federal Government is concerned, and then- as far as all of us are concerned. |
| Dr_Kynes
User ID: 192414
4/16/2007 1:35 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
If anything law abiding citizens (those not convicted of armed robber or violent assualts or rapes )should have more rights to protect themselves.
What do you think would have happened to the perpetraitors of this crime at this university had their been 100's of students trained with guns and having concealed weapons permits and toting 45's or 9 mils ?
I tell you those perps would have been dead long before they killed 22 people. And there would be no long drawn out trial for these bastards. They would be dead long before even 2 people were killed.
I think we should make it loud and clear before TPTB spin this as a call to disarm......that it is a call to ARM and train law abiding citizens to kill these types of madmen that pull off these things.
It is a reason for more guns......not less...in the hands of law abiding citizens |
| KJ
User ID: 224050 (OP)
4/16/2007 2:16 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
Australian Gun Control; Port Arthur Massacre:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
(read it all if you want to understand...)
H.R. 1022: "Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007"
[link to www.govtrack.us]
(which includes additional clauses to not only ban "assault weapons", but any semi-auto firearm or similar design that might have been designed with military or law enforcement use in mind...)
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`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.
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CNN: "This is the deadliest campus shooting in US history."
This is not to distract from the sadness of the deaths and injuries at VT, but this will no doubt become another issue entirely as far as the Federal Government is concerned, and then- as far as all of us are concerned. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 220769
4/16/2007 2:21 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
Americans seem to be trigger happy. You don't seem to care who you kill as long as you kill. All over the world as well as your own home, no care, no respect for life, just shoot and kill.
Did you know tha in the eyes of all other nations you are considered the lowest of the low? |
| KJ
User ID: 224050 (OP)
4/16/2007 2:28 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
Campus mail shut down.
BATFE on scene.
FBI on scene and has taken control of the investiagtion. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 223979
4/16/2007 2:29 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
Americans seem to be trigger happy. You don't seem to care who you kill as long as you kill. All over the world as well as your own home, no care, no respect for life, just shoot and kill.
Did you know tha in the eyes of all other nations you are considered the lowest of the low? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 220769
A lot of countries have done their share wholesale slaughter in the past.
PS I aint a yank. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 74029
4/16/2007 2:38 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
Americans seem to be trigger happy. You don't seem to care who you kill as long as you kill. All over the world as well as your own home, no care, no respect for life, just shoot and kill.
Did you know tha in the eyes of all other nations you are considered the lowest of the low? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 220769
it speaks volumes when you generalize an entire nation full of people for actions of a few while i can understand your animosity(false wars etc) you have no justification that every american is trigger happy and want to kill most of the americans do not want war and do not enjoy seeing innocent people being killed
surely you jest? and remember the orders come from the top |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224118
4/16/2007 2:51 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
Americans will soon find out what the term 'Stalinist' means. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 204439
4/16/2007 2:57 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
Problem is, TPTB never learn that people will always find a way to fight back. Take their guns, they'll just use car bombs. Take the cars, they'll use themselves. Sooner or later they'll be forced to get it. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224050 (OP)
4/16/2007 3:06 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
Since the "Port Arthur Massacre" and the rapidly-instituted and very strict gun control that followed, the violent crimes rates including homicide have all GONE UP after decades of decline. |
| KJ
User ID: 224050 (OP)
4/16/2007 3:36 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
The Columbine Massacre, by design of the shooters, was done on Hitler's B'day. It was the 110th anniversary of his birth.
This shooting today was on the Pope's 80th B'day. Not sure if that had anything to do with it, as it is way too soon to say of course. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 201785
4/16/2007 3:41 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
Problem is, TPTB never learn that people will always find a way to fight back. Take their guns, they'll just use car bombs. Take the cars, they'll use themselves. Sooner or later they'll be forced to get it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 204439
No, don't blow yourself up. Make a Terminator instead. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224150
4/16/2007 4:27 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
VA Tech official praised defeat of student self-defense proposal in 2006
[link to www.onenewsnow.com]
[ start quote ]
A Virginia Tech official in 2006 praised the defeat of a proposal to allow students with state-issued concealed handgun permits to carry their handguns on college campuses in Virginia. At least 20 unarmed students were killed on the VA Tech campus Monday morning by a single gunman.
Virginia House Bill 1572 was proposed in 2005 by Shenandoah County, Va., Republican Del. Todd Gilbert after a VA Tech student with a state-issued concealed handgun permit was arrested and charged only with "unlawfully" carrying a handgun on campus. The bill would have prohibited state universities in Virginia from enacting "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun."
After the proposal died in the state's House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety, The Roanoke Times quoted VA Tech spokesman Larry Hincker as celebrating the defeat of the bill.
"I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions," Hincker said on Jan. 31, 2006, "because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."
Following Monday's multiple-victim shooting at VA Tech, Erich Pratt with Virginia-based Gun Owners of America called that philosophy "idiocy."
"I think gun control advocates will say, 'See, we need more gun control,' even though this is exactly the product of gun control," Pratt said.
Currently, only Utah has a statute specifically authorizing law-abiding individuals with concealed handgun permits to possess their firearms on state university property. Most other states have explicit or implied prohibitions.
"Every school campus [other than those in Utah] in this nation is a 'gun free zone,' supposedly," Pratt bemoaned. "But, isn't it amazing that criminals, bad guys never obey those laws."
Regarding Utah, Pratt adds, "Isn't it interesting that that's the one state where we haven't heard of any school shootings."
At least two school shootings have been stopped by armed civilians before police arrived:
- January 9, 2002, Appalachian School of Law in Grundy, Va. - 43 year old Peter Odighizuwa, who had flunked out of the small law school earlier in the week killed three people and wounded three others. Two law students - Tracy Bridges and Ted Besen - retreived a handgun from Bridges' vehicle and held Odighizuwa at gun point for several minutes before police arrived. (Bridges was a reserve deputy sheriff, but was not on duty at the time of the incident.)
? October 1, 1997, Pearl High School, Pearl, Ms. - 16 year old Luke Woodham carried a rifle onto the school campus, killed his ex-girlfriend and one of her friends and wounded seven other people. Assisstant Principal Joel Myrick retreived a handgun from his truck and held Woodham for police. It was later learned that the teeneager had beaten and stabbed his own mother to death before the attack at the school.
Pratt is not optimistic, however, that lawmakers will allow public university students and faculty members to protect themselves from mass murderers like the one who struck VA Tech Monday.
"The only schools and universities where these tragedies have been stopped abruptly were the places where law-abiding citizens had a gun that was accessible to them and they were able to stop the shooter," Pratt noted. "The schools and universities that had to wait for the police to arrive, those are the ones that find these high death tolls.
"It's just a real shame," he concluded, "that these guys never get it."[ end quote]
What better pickings are there for killers than a defenseless population? From violent individuals, or violent governments... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224150
4/16/2007 4:31 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
CRIME - Common sense, We NEED gun control people!
40 Reasons For Gun Control
1. Banning guns works, which is why New York , DC , & Chicago cops need guns.
2. Washington DC 's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.
3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."
4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.
5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.
6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.
7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.
8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.
9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense -- give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p.125).
10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.
11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.
12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.
13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.
14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arm" refers to the state.
15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.
16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.
17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons", but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles", because they are military weapons.
18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, finger printing, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.
19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.
20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.
21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.
22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."
23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.
24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.
25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.
26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."
27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.
28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.
29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self-defense only justifies bare hands.
30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.
31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.
32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.
33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.
34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over hand guns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.
35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.
36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.
37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.
38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.
39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.
40. Handgun Control, Inc. says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224150
4/16/2007 5:03 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
This is the worst mass murder shooting ever in US history, not just the worst school shooting.
Before this, the worst mass murder shooting was in Killeen, TX when a madman drove his truck into a cafeteria and begin assassinating people. In that incident, 23 people were killed.
This shooter was not an average shooter-killer; not at all. The amount of people he killed and wounded is extremely unusual. He was extremely well-trained and extremely well-prepared to do this. Prepared either by himself, or by someone or some other group. |
| malu 
User ID: 206474
4/16/2007 5:22 PM
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This is the worst mass murder shooting ever in US history, not just the worst school shooting.
Before this, the worst mass murder shooting was in Killeen, TX when a madman drove his truck into a cafeteria and begin assassinating people. In that incident, 23 people were killed.
This shooter was not an average shooter-killer; not at all. The amount of people he killed and wounded is extremely unusual. He was extremely well-trained and extremely well-prepared to do this. Prepared either by himself, or by someone or some other group. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 224150
bingo, and i am digging frantically to find out who and why? i think the why is fairly easy
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224150
4/16/2007 5:36 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
NRA urges members to ready for coming ‘storm’
Associated Press
Sunday, April 15, 2007
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St. Louis — The National Rifle Association, citing shifting political winds in Congress after the 2006 elections, urged its members Saturday to unite against “the storm that lies ahead” for gun owners.
“Today there is not one firearm owner whose freedom is secure,” the group’s executive vice president, Wayne R. LaPierre, told thousands gathered for the annual national convention.
The NRA’s meetings and exhibits are expected to draw about 50,000 people to America’s Center convention hall.
St. Louis reeled in the event after the group dropped its original host — Columbus, Ohio — because that city in recent years pursued stricter firearms ordinances.
[link to www2.ljworld.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 189402
4/16/2007 5:40 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
NRA urges members to ready for coming ‘storm’
Associated Press
Sunday, April 15, 2007
advertisement
St. Louis — The National Rifle Association, citing shifting political winds in Congress after the 2006 elections, urged its members Saturday to unite against “the storm that lies ahead” for gun owners.
“Today there is not one firearm owner whose freedom is secure,” the group’s executive vice president, Wayne R. LaPierre, told thousands gathered for the annual national convention.
The NRA’s meetings and exhibits are expected to draw about 50,000 people to America’s Center convention hall.
St. Louis reeled in the event after the group dropped its original host — Columbus, Ohio — because that city in recent years pursued stricter firearms ordinances.
[ link to www2.ljworld.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 224150
Interesting. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 160503
4/16/2007 6:12 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
This is the worst mass murder shooting ever in US history, not just the worst school shooting.
Before this, the worst mass murder shooting was in Killeen, TX when a madman drove his truck into a cafeteria and begin assassinating people. In that incident, 23 people were killed.
This shooter was not an average shooter-killer; not at all. The amount of people he killed and wounded is extremely unusual. He was extremely well-trained and extremely well-prepared to do this. Prepared either by himself, or by someone or some other group. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 224150
exactly |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224197
4/16/2007 6:16 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
The Columbine Massacre, by design of the shooters, was done on Hitler's B'day. It was the 110th anniversary of his birth.
This shooting today was on the Pope's 80th B'day. Not sure if that had anything to do with it, as it is way too soon to say of course. Quoting: KJ 224050
This shooting today was on the Pope's 80th B'day. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 173374
4/16/2007 6:19 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
This is the worst mass murder shooting ever in US history, not just the worst school shooting.
Before this, the worst mass murder shooting was in Killeen, TX when a madman drove his truck into a cafeteria and begin assassinating people. In that incident, 23 people were killed.
This shooter was not an average shooter-killer; not at all. The amount of people he killed and wounded is extremely unusual. He was extremely well-trained and extremely well-prepared to do this. Prepared either by himself, or by someone or some other group. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 224150
I think that was a massacare carried out by the US Troops on the WWI vets who were looking to get the money the government had promised them.
I wonder how many of those kids were killed by the fuzz. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 113430
4/16/2007 6:24 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
-ONE IN THE SAME-
This is no doubt the "Port Arthur Massacre" for the US, given the current gun control push of the fascist powers-that-be.
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
HR 1022 will fly through Congress now, and has additional clauses to ban all semi-automatic firearms.
The deaths of the 22+ people at VT are insignificant to those that wish to take away your freedoms to protect yourselves from them.
Get what you can, while you still can.
The Dunblane massacre was a multiple murder-suicide which occurred at the primary school in the Scottish town of Dunblane on 13 March 1996. It remains the deadliest attack on children in United Kingdom history. Sixteen children and one adult were killed, in addition to the attacker.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Political impact
Mrs. Ann Pearson, a friend of some of the bereaved families, founded a very widely supported campaign, named the Snowdrop Petition (because March is snowdrop time in Scotland), which gained 705,000 signatures in support, and was successful in pressing Parliament, and the then-current Conservative government into introducing a ban on all cartridge ammunition handguns with the exception of .22 calibre single-shot weapons. The families of the victims were active in the lobbying campaign as was the Gun Control Network, also set up in the aftermath of the shootings, and whose members included parents of victims at Dunblane and of the Hungerford Massacre. The campaign was also supported by a number of newspapers, including the Sunday Mail, a Scottish tabloid whose own petition to ban handguns had raised 428,279 signatures within five weeks of the massacre.
Following the 1997 General Election, the Labour government of Tony Blair introduced the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997, banning the remaining .22 cartridge handguns, and leaving only muzzle-loading and historic handguns legal, as well as certain sporting handguns (e.g. "Long-Arms") that fall outside the Home Office Definition of a "Handgun" due to their dimensions. |
| 9net
User ID: 224205
4/16/2007 6:32 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
VA Tech official praised defeat of student self-defense proposal in 2006
[ link to www.onenewsnow.com]
[ start quote ]
A Virginia Tech official in 2006 praised the defeat of a proposal to allow students with state-issued concealed handgun permits to carry their handguns on college campuses in Virginia. At least 20 unarmed students were killed on the VA Tech campus Monday morning by a single gunman.
Virginia House Bill 1572 was proposed in 2005 by Shenandoah County, Va., Republican Del. Todd Gilbert after a VA Tech student with a state-issued concealed handgun permit was arrested and charged only with "unlawfully" carrying a handgun on campus. The bill would have prohibited state universities in Virginia from enacting "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun."
After the proposal died in the state's House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety, The Roanoke Times quoted VA Tech spokesman Larry Hincker as celebrating the defeat of the bill.
"I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions," Hincker said on Jan. 31, 2006, "because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."
Following Monday's multiple-victim shooting at VA Tech, Erich Pratt with Virginia-based Gun Owners of America called that philosophy "idiocy."
"I think gun control advocates will say, 'See, we need more gun control,' even though this is exactly the product of gun control," Pratt said.
Currently, only Utah has a statute specifically authorizing law-abiding individuals with concealed handgun permits to possess their firearms on state university property. Most other states have explicit or implied prohibitions.
"Every school campus [other than those in Utah] in this nation is a 'gun free zone,' supposedly," Pratt bemoaned. "But, isn't it amazing that criminals, bad guys never obey those laws."
Regarding Utah, Pratt adds, "Isn't it interesting that that's the one state where we haven't heard of any school shootings."
At least two school shootings have been stopped by armed civilians before police arrived:
- January 9, 2002, Appalachian School of Law in Grundy, Va. - 43 year old Peter Odighizuwa, who had flunked out of the small law school earlier in the week killed three people and wounded three others. Two law students - Tracy Bridges and Ted Besen - retreived a handgun from Bridges' vehicle and held Odighizuwa at gun point for several minutes before police arrived. (Bridges was a reserve deputy sheriff, but was not on duty at the time of the incident.)
? October 1, 1997, Pearl High School, Pearl, Ms. - 16 year old Luke Woodham carried a rifle onto the school campus, killed his ex-girlfriend and one of her friends and wounded seven other people. Assisstant Principal Joel Myrick retreived a handgun from his truck and held Woodham for police. It was later learned that the teeneager had beaten and stabbed his own mother to death before the attack at the school.
Pratt is not optimistic, however, that lawmakers will allow public university students and faculty members to protect themselves from mass murderers like the one who struck VA Tech Monday.
"The only schools and universities where these tragedies have been stopped abruptly were the places where law-abiding citizens had a gun that was accessible to them and they were able to stop the shooter," Pratt noted. "The schools and universities that had to wait for the police to arrive, those are the ones that find these high death tolls.
"It's just a real shame," he concluded, "that these guys never get it."[ end quote]
What better pickings are there for killers than a defenseless population? From violent individuals, or violent governments... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 224150
Yep,this will be like a poster child for Gun Control law. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 204439
4/16/2007 6:53 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
This is the worst mass murder shooting ever in US history, not just the worst school shooting.
Before this, the worst mass murder shooting was in Killeen, TX when a madman drove his truck into a cafeteria and begin assassinating people. In that incident, 23 people were killed.
This shooter was not an average shooter-killer; not at all. The amount of people he killed and wounded is extremely unusual. He was extremely well-trained and extremely well-prepared to do this. Prepared either by himself, or by someone or some other group.
bingo, and i am digging frantically to find out who and why? i think the why is fairly easy Quoting: malu
On NBC Nightly News, one of the students shot said the shooter was "very well trained by how fast he was reloading and the way he was reloading...and he was wearing a marine cap". Don't know if he meant military or if he meant something else. Interesting. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224131
4/16/2007 7:28 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
regarding "the port arthur massacre"...this is taken from "The Deliberate Lie"...history repeats??
"In the days and months following the massacre the media peddled the official line the gunman had shot and killed 20 people and wounded 12 others in the Broad Arrow Cafe within a time of 90 SECONDS..
This claim was a deliberate lie. It could only have originated from the Tasmanian authorities.
Its purpose was directly aimed at justifying the planned ban on semi-automatic guns - that because those rapidfire semi-auto rifles had done all that in that short time frame - 90 seconds - it justified their removal from society."
[link to www.shootersnews.addr.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224131
4/16/2007 7:30 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
"The Deliberate Lie" is but a portion of writing on "The Port Arthur Massacre" or "Port Arthur Cover-up" the rest is here:
[link to www.shootersnews.addr.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224131
4/16/2007 7:31 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
the main sentence being this:
"Its purpose was directly aimed at justifying the planned ban on semi-automatic guns..." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 200056
4/16/2007 7:38 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
Americans seem to be trigger happy. You don't seem to care who you kill as long as you kill. All over the world as well as your own home, no care, no respect for life, just shoot and kill.
Did you know tha in the eyes of all other nations you are considered the lowest of the low? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 220769
Obviously you have never been to the states. I travel for my job and have been all around the US (34 states so far). Americans are the nicest people in world, the most friendly and warm people. I find that if you greet someone with a smile, you'll get a smile back. Europeans as a lot are a pretty stuck up bunch and not friendly at all. We don't really care what the rest of world thinks. I certainly don't care what Europeans think. You guys have been killing each other for how long?...Oh ya, you guys don't do that anymore because you have been "metro-sexualised" or is that just plain "sissy-fied". |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 212680
4/16/2007 7:39 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
Sorry but the South aint giving up its guns. I don't trust the police to get to me in time to protect me LOL. I will be getting a hand gun license to carry very soon. |
| Matrix
User ID: 222042
4/16/2007 7:42 PM | | Re: "The Virginia Tech Massacre"..................... "The Port Arthur Massacre" | Quote |
The U.S military(mainly national guard) is currently spreading freedom and democracy abroad with their assault weapons, giving us all a good example of how to preserve peace and stability. The battle grounds of Iraq and Afghanistan are a testament of how they plan to run the global war on terror. Through the pain and suffering of it all, these nations have become examples to show the world a battle field to establish a new world order, a order which is brought out from chaos, a order which is established via the shedding of innocent blood. When these national guard units return home, they will have the experience and the training necessary to become a more battle savvy national guard, more able to defend the homeland and those leaders who swore an oath to defend it from enemies both foreign and domestic. Gun control will eventually be part of a wide ranging strategy to strengthen national security. By removing guns out of the hands of the sheople, this will guarantee the need of a more active and visible national guard.
Those who would trade freedom for security, deserve neither. |
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