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Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities'
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theresident 
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4/17/2007 4:07 PM
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"The average 'nut' is not this well armed, nor able to kill with such precision, and so quickly." --Comment by CLG reader, Blueridge
Breaking: Chicago Tribune: Alleged gunman left note in dorm room [My theory on its announced contents: "I did this for Al Qaeda in Iraq. I've come to the US becuase the Democrat congress wants a timeline for troop withdrawal. P.S.: Rosie O'Donnell is wrong. Osama bin Laden did carry out the 9/11 terrorist attacks. If NSA wiretaps were allowed, I wouldn't have been able to do this."]
More from Blueridge, who lives in WV:
I have been watching Roanoke local TV with excellent coverage. Brian Williams of NBC interviewed two students, one who was shot. The following facts about the shooter emerged as they met face to face:
1. did not recognize from campus
2. reloaded clips (semi auto pistol(s)) very fast
3. "looked trained" in use of weapons, pro
4. wearing red cap, vest (impression of trained "beret")
5. authorities said he had "no ID" on him
6. gunman wearing all black (pro wear)
7. camera phone recorded "blast" after fired shots.
The school police stood down for two hours, without notifying students or faculty. During the press conference, they said they often run "drills." School president and campus police chief were absolutely emotionless during both conferences, very matter of fact. Police not providing ID, not providing weapon details... Why?
AFT source tells NBC News that the gunman was not a Virginia Tech student, but someone who had access to the dorm.
Authorities Tentatively ID Va. Tech Gunman 16 Apr 2007 Authorities say they've tentatively identified the gunman behind Monday's shooting rampage at Virginia Tech that killed 32 victims, but they're not releasing any information yet. Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum told reporters that two weapons were recovered, but he declined to describe them.
Gunman may have made 3 bomb threats to test 'security response' 16 Apr 2007 Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa. The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus' security response, the source said. The exits to the buildings where the shootings occurred were chained by the shooter, the source said.
A 'person-of-interest' was being interviewed while the second shooting occurred. He was not a student. --Press conference, Blacksburg, VA
CNN: 'The Virginia Tech killer chained doors shut at his second shooting site before going into a German class and opening fire.'
VA Tech wasn't locked down for two hours, after the first shooting was reported at 7:15 AM. The shooter apparently made it over to the *other side of campus* and *carried out more shootings,* unmolested, two hours later!
It has not been confirmed whether or not the shooter is a student. [How did the shooter access the buildings, when a scanned ID is required for access?]
First report: The suspect was led away in handcuffs.
Second report: The suspect was killed.
Third report: The suspect killed himself.
Fourth report: There were two suspects.
Individual had same style of guns (*two* handguns) used by FBI agents, a 'high-powered' weapon and the shootings were 'well-planned.'
MSNBC's FBI profiler: 'students lined up and shot execution style'
19 hours after the first shooting, the shooter(s) has/have not been identified. [00:15 EDT 17 Apr 2007 Note: The shooter has finally been identified.
At press conf., VT Tech.: We thought the shooter (7:15 AM) had left the state. ?
Regardless, it appears that the Gonzales testmony will receive little coverage tomorrow. Oops, strike that: Senate postpones to Thursday the gonzales hearing, in light of VA Tech shootings. Can we expect new Blackwater USA contract$ to 'secure' college campuses? --LRP
Articles of Impeachment to Be Filed On Cheney By Mary Ann Akers 17 Apr 2007 Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio)... declared in a letter sent to his Democratic House colleagues this morning that he plans to file articles of impeachment against Vice President [sic] Dick Cheney... Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution gives Congress the authority to impeach the president, vice president and "all civil Officers of the United States" for "treason, bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." Sources tell the Sleuth that in light of the mass killings at Virginia Tech Monday, Kucinich's impeachment plans have been put on hold. There will be no action this week, they say.
Gunman ID'd as student; tests tie same gun to both attacks 17 Apr 2007 A Virginia Tech senior [Cho Seung-Hui] from South Korea killed at least 30 people locked inside a classroom building in the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history, the university and police said Tuesday. Ballistics tests also found that one of the guns used in that attack was also used in a shooting two hours earlier at a dorm that left two people dead, Virginia State Police said. Cho committed suicide after the attacks, and there was no indication Tuesday of any possible motive.
Anger mounts over response to massacre 17 Apr 2007 (Blacksburg, VA) Parents and students at the scene of the worst school shooting in US history on Monday criticised the university for waiting too long to alert people a killer may be on the loose.
Police Cite Person of Interest in Va. Tech Dorm Killing; Dead Gunman Yet to Be ID'd 16 Apr 2007 In a press conference tonight, Virginia Tech President Charles Steger gave a detailed timeline of the morning's tragic events. He said a 9-1-1 call reporting a shooting at a dormitory was made at approximately 7:15 a.m. While police were trying to assess what they first believed was a domestic dispute, they received a second 9-1-1 call, nearly two and a half hours later, that reported shootings on the opposite side of campus. According to the Virginia Police Chief Wendell Flinchum, officials have not definitively linked the two shootings. Campus police have identified a person of interest who is not currently in police custody.
Gunman may have made 3 bomb threats to test 'security response' 16 Apr 2007 Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa. The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus' security response, the source said. The exits to the buildings where the shootings occurred were chained by the shooter, the source said.
Eyewitness: '40 or 50 shots' --Massacre at Virginia Tech: 33 Confirmed Dead --Gunman's Body Disfigured; Hard to Identify 16 Apr 2007 A tranquil college campus in Virginia became a killing field Monday morning. At least 33 people are dead in the worst mass shooting in modern American history. Police at Virginia Tech, in Blacksburg, Va., said that the shootings happened at a dormitory and then at a classroom on opposite sides of the university campus. Some students are questioning why administrators did not stop classes after the first shooting, and why it took more than two hours to inform the university community via email about the shootings.
[link to www.legitgov.org] |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 4:12 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
Most bizzare. Pin for content. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 4:21 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
Only 9 publicly id'd dead so far. Why? |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 4:21 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
When you are very upset with a broken heart it is easy to reload fast and shoot straight. What is odd about that?
Ok, Ok... So it's odd...
This guy must have done a lot of training. Did he frequent firing ranges or websites about gun usage. Did he have an instructor or did he learn to do all this by himself? |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 5:52 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
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[charlie]
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4/17/2007 5:53 PM
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excellent.
and timely...
thank you.
charlie don't surf!..
... Mitch. Nothing is ever simple. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 6:03 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
good job keep it up |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 6:15 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
The Virginia Tech Massacre - Goverment murders "33" people to advance terror agenda item #...
[link to terror-state.blogspot.com]
[link to breakfornews.com]
It should not be difficult to get what point of that agenda is being advanced, right?
--- *** BREAKING *** CIA reveals sordid details about Virginia shooter
The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 with box cutters
BTW, sordid details (statistical data) about the CIA beyond what is common knowledge
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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A. B. F.
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4/17/2007 6:16 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
It's all Bush's fault. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 6:18 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
The Jews are at it again |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 6:22 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
6. gunman wearing all black (pro wear)
I heard he had on a tan, short sleve shirt, and witnesses said with the black vest, he looked like a boy scout. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 6:34 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
There's no way that he wasn't trained. It's a modest geuss at the amount of rounds, but well over 100.
How many people that you know, that hunt, can hold that type of stamina and accuracy (3 shots per person) for that amount of energy?
There are too many problems that as well as 9-11 that will create permanent unrest in our society if not taken wisely and appreciated for exactly what it is.
The slow Earthling Exterm. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 6:35 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
It's all Bush's fault. Quoting: A. B. F. 224697
Ya, he sure is brilliant for being a dummy. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 6:38 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
It's all Bush's fault.
Ya, he sure is brilliant for being a dummy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 192017
Hadn't thought of it that way...LOL! |
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Idle Messenger
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4/17/2007 6:54 PM
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Guns are the weapon for Coward
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4/17/2007 7:39 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
You people are nuts. Nobody recognized him cause he was the quiet asian guy. I wouldn't say he was "well armed". |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 7:48 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
Yesterday CNN said the gunman wasn't identified because he had no identification on him. Today CNN reports that he was carrying a receipt from the gun shop where he bought the Glock. Why would he have the gun receipt but no identification? Doesn't make sense to me, especially since he reportedly bought the gun 5 weeks ago. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 7:51 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
This guy must have done a lot of training. Did he frequent firing ranges or websites about gun usage. Did he have an instructor or did he learn to do all this by himself? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60359
>>>>Training?????? On what? He only bought the thing a week earlier.
A novice doesn't buy his first gun, then without training, rack up 32 kills in 5 minutes. And where did he get the 10+ extra loaded ammo clips required?
This shooter had ice water for blood. Terminator style.
>>>web sites about gun usage<<<<<
What, like looking at gun pictures is going to forge Cho-Chink into an ace assassin? Get real. |
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Ultima-Ratio
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4/17/2007 7:55 PM
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The one second reload ain't exactly rocket science kiddies;
[link to youtube.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 7:55 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
Yesterday CNN said the gunman wasn't identified because he had no identification on him. Today CNN reports that he was carrying a receipt from the gun shop where he bought the Glock. Why would he have the gun receipt but no identification? Doesn't make sense to me, especially since he reportedly bought the gun 5 weeks ago. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 224744
Geeze, will ya shut up already. We ain't supposed to notice those things. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 7:59 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
South Korea
Military service age and obligation:
Definition Field Listing
20-30 years of age for compulsory military service; conscript service obligation - 24-28 months, depending on the military branch involved; 18 years of age for voluntary military service; some 4,000 women serve as commissioned and noncommissioned officers, approx. 2.3% of all officers; women, in service since 1950, are admitted to seven service branches, including infantry, but excluded from artillery, armor, anti-air, and chaplaincy corps (2005)
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ks.html#Military |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 8:00 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
Did he get all the extra ammo clips at the same gun store? Buy 5, get 5 free maybe? Really though, seems the seller would have noticed all these clips purchased, and thought that to be very suspicious. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 8:04 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 8:10 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
Ok, I give up. It was all an unfortunate accident.
His gun went off while he was cleaning it. Case closed. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 8:11 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
Ok, I give up. It was all an unfortunate accident.
His gun went off while he was cleaning it. Case closed. |
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G. House
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4/17/2007 8:22 PM
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This guy must have done a lot of training. Did he frequent firing ranges or websites about gun usage. Did he have an instructor or did he learn to do all this by himself?
>>>>Training?????? On what? He only bought the thing a week earlier.
A novice doesn't buy his first gun, then without training, rack up 32 kills in 5 minutes. And where did he get the 10+ extra loaded ammo clips required?
This shooter had ice water for blood. Terminator style.
>>>web sites about gun usage<<<<<
What, like looking at gun pictures is going to forge Cho-Chink into an ace assassin? Get real. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 208180
According to the timeline I've seen the shooting took place over a period of 30 minutes, not 5. Shots were heard from 9:45 to 10:15.
Extra clips are not hard to buy, also we have sketchy info on the exact equipment used.
Do we know for sure it was a glock? I've never shot a glock but most semi-suto pistols have the same reload procedure. When the weapon fires the last round the slide remains locked open. You press the clip release and the empty clip falls out of the weapon. As you're doing that you have another clip in the opposite hand and ram it into the weapon. You then press the slide release which then chambers the first round in the clip while also cocking the gun. Repeat procedure when empty.
You have the second weapon available in firing condition to keep anyone at bay if they get any ideas about rushing you. Another term for that is a New York reload.
30 minutes?
He had all the time he needed even if he had to shoot slowly.
What were the cops doing at that time. Just shows that they are reluctant to assault if there is a chance they will be shot at. The cops were armed and were apparently reluctant to confront the gunman. Were does that leave the unarmed students.
One of the only people to show any stones at all was a Holocaust survivor. That was REAL courage under fire. To all the Jew bashers here, screw you guys! |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 8:37 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
So easy a six year old could do it and then break for cookies and milk. |
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Dr. P ( On HIM ! )
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4/17/2007 9:16 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
That Police Chief, Mr. Fluckum, seemed mentally disturbed on TV. Did you notice how Mr. Fluckwit only took the questions he WANTED to answer ?
My question IS, why were ALL those police officers hiding behind their cars in EVERY picture taken of them, while UNARMED students were being SLAUGHTERED ?
Can YOU answer that, Mr. Fluckup ? |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 9:31 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 9:39 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
(post moved from another thread. It belongs here.)
The media reported that they found a note in his dorm and described him as 'railing against rich kids.'
Well, something doesn't add up because in this article on his family (whose home is worth over $400,000); it mentions that his parents own a business and his sister graduated from Princeton in 2004.
Business owners with one kid in Virginia Tech and four years of paying the big-ticket tuition at Princeton would seem to qualify him as a 'rich kid.'
Killer's Family Caught in a Whirl of Curiosity
By Marc Fisher
Tuesday, April 17, 2007; 5:30 PM
The police arrived a little before 11 p.m. on the night after the shootings. They piled into the Cho family's townhouse on Truitt Farm Drive in Centreville, gathered up several boxes of materials and left. The house has been sealed off ever since, the family, immigrants from South Korea who run a dry cleaning business, secreted away from the mob of fact-hunters.
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The family is very good," said Liba, 22, who is from Guatemala. She used to talk mainly to the Chos' daughter, Sun-Kyung, a 2004 graduate of Princeton, who accompanied her parents as they left for work each morning at 7.
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www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/17/A R2007041701325.html?hpid=topnews |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/17/2007 9:48 PM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
April 17, 2007
Cho Graduated From Same High School as Two of His Victims
Cho Seung-Hui, the 23-year-old student believed to have been responsible for yesterday’s mass killing at Virginia Tech, graduated from the same high school as at least two of his victims, Erin Peterson and Reema Samaha. ABC News is reporting that Mr. Seung-Hui is a graduate of Westfield High School in Fairfax, Va., an affluent suburb outside Washington, D.C. Ms. Samaha, who was a freshman at Virginia Tech, was a 2006 graduate of Westfield.
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