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Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities'
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diggler
User ID: 224493
 Germany
4/18/2007 4:12 AM | |
doom guaranteed
User ID: 114209
 Australia
4/18/2007 5:12 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
You people are nuts. Nobody recognized him cause he was the quiet asian guy. I wouldn't say he was "well armed". Quoting: Guns are the weapon for Coward 223615
Nobody recognised him because he didn't do it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224760
Australia
4/18/2007 5:17 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
Virginia School Shooting: Another Black-Op?
Early details about the horrific school shooting at Virginia Tech strongly indicate that these events represent a Columbine-style black-op that will be exploited in the coming days to push for mass gun control and further turning our schools into prisons.
Eyewitness Matt Kazee told the Alex Jones Show that it was a full two to three hours after the shootings began that loudspeakers installed around the campus were used to warn students to stay indoors and that a shooter was on the loose.
Quite how the killer was afforded so much time before any action was taken to stop him is baffling, especially considering the fact that the campus, according to Kazee, was crawling with police before the event happened due to numerous bomb threats that had been phoned in last week.
[link to www.prisonplanet.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224760
Australia
4/18/2007 5:18 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
ust like Columbine. Arrests that disappear.
Source: Man Arrested After Fatal Va. Tech Shooting
By The Associated Press
BLACKSBURG, Va. -- A shooting at a Virginia Tech dorm Monday left one person dead and one wounded, a state government official with knowledge of the case told The Associated Press.
A government official with knowledge of the shooting said the gunman had been arrested.
The accused gunman, William Morva, faces capital murder charges.
[link to www.myfoxboston.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224760
Australia
4/18/2007 5:24 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
Doors chained shut by the killer to keep his victims in and police out.
"How many "nut jobs" think like this? How many people did it take to chain all the doors?" |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224760
Australia
4/18/2007 5:25 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
The 100 VT buildings had been closed down twice in the last ten days after bomb scares.
"It is clear to me this was done to make the authorities RELUCTANT to AGAIN shut down the school.
This smells of a black opp." |
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9net
User ID: 224912
 Israel
4/18/2007 5:30 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
I come to conclusion it was a planned event and Cho was just a pawn.
too many oddities to be considered a psycho spree killing. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224760
Australia
4/18/2007 5:36 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
That's odd...why everything was off?? weird
"KARINA PORUSHKEVICH, STUDENT: It was very, very saddening. I was crying. I couldn't reach my family because they turn -- like the phones were off, everything was off. "
[link to transcripts.cnn.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224760
Australia
4/18/2007 5:44 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
Inside job!!! I've got a .22 and can barely hit the side of a barn with it. Did this guy have special training to hit moving targets while moving? Pretty good accuracy with a small firearm. And he had something against "rich kids"? - did anyone see the pretty townhouse he was living in? Was this guy a cut-out or what? Who was the real target? The engineering professor? Was he planning on going public about 9/11? It's a wonder the feds didn't nuke Virginia and blame it on the Iranians!
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911 the inside job is about to blow up in their faces, most of the sheep have woken up.. 911 part two is the only option they have left. i would think multiple nukes on many major US cities. Martial law is only one nuke away.. For the homeland. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224760
Australia
4/18/2007 5:52 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
"This isnt adding up...why take the time to scratch the serial numbers off?? He chained the doors shut after he got in so obviously he wasnt trying to get away somehow afterwards, plus he wasnt wearing any disguise or anything so obviously everyone would know it was him anyways if he did get away. He even has the gun receipts in his backpack.... what the fucks the point of scratching off the serial numbers?"
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Good question. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 139767
 United States
4/18/2007 5:57 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
all planned out obviously |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 221860
United States
4/18/2007 6:02 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
"This isnt adding up...why take the time to scratch the serial numbers off?? He chained the doors shut after he got in so obviously he wasnt trying to get away somehow afterwards, plus he wasnt wearing any disguise or anything so obviously everyone would know it was him anyways if he did get away. He even has the gun receipts in his backpack.... what the fucks the point of scratching off the serial numbers?"
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Good question. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 224760
I wondering if thet were scratched off because they are not the same guns he purchased
no ballistics done yet, they are just going off of the receipt
also the guns were bought in the last few months, and the store owner said he seemed to have knowledge of the weapon he purchased
so it dosen't seem like he became a sharpshooter in the last couple of months
and if they try to put that story forward, there should be a trail of ammo purchased to practice, and a site where he shot
I'm thinking he was the shooter less and less |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224921
Australia
4/18/2007 6:04 AM | |
Emperor Kenton
User ID: 213340
United States
4/18/2007 6:11 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
EMAIL: 4/17/2007 6:03:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time
This Virginia killing was probably a brain washed hypnotized pawn (Manchurian Candidate). Too well planned. Chained the doors so students could not escape, bullet proof vest, two 9mm automatics and many extra loaded clips. The average nut is Not that organized. That the Bush regime plans on using to outlaw guns for U.S. Citizens like 9/11 was used to pass the patriot act with No questions by Congress. The government of Australia a few years ago used the same situation to disarm a large percentage of Australians. Pass it On -- Don't let the Bush regime confiscate guns and turn his present Dictatorship into a Permanent one!
[link to www.google.com]
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If so, the recent Bush sermon at the Va Tech convocation might be the most disgusting stunt in the history of American politics. |
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Wizard's First Rule
User ID: 221224
United States
4/18/2007 6:14 AM
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Start at the beginning . . . ask yourself if you see a motive . . .
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"I'm sure the behavioral people will be looking into what it was that set this kid off," said a federal law enforcement official familiar with the investigation.
The first attack occurred at 7:15 a.m., when Emily Hilscher, a student, and Ryan Clark, a resident advisor, were shot to death at the West Ambler Johnston dorm.
Hilscher's roommate, Heather Haugh, said her friend did not know Cho and she knew no reason he would first turn his violence upon her.
"I've never seen him," she said. "I don't know his name. Emily didn't know him, as far as I know."
She said that speculation about a domestic dispute probably stemmed from the fact that she told police that Hilscher's boyfriend, Karl David Thornhill, was an avid gun user.
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[link to www.latimes.com]
If she didn't know him, why have anything to do with her? In fact, why would he even need to go to another dorm at 7:15 am? Just because the same weapon was used doesn't mean the EXACT same weapon was used.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 220515
United States
4/18/2007 7:05 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
I am wondering if Cho had a scheduled class in Norris at the time of the shooting? If not, what class should he have been in? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 151551
United States
4/18/2007 7:09 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
I'm trying to figure out how his face was disfigured ?
I could see if he had a shotgun, and I've fired a .22 w/ hollow tip bullets, yeah it might make an orange bust apart, but if you shot one in your head , the bullet would enter and then fragment
also, he obviosly shot others in the head, yet they were identifiable
how many 9mm bullets would he have to fire upon his face to disfigure ?would he get past more than 2 ?
to me this is the biggest telltale that he might have not been the shooter Quoting: Anonymous Coward 221860
That would have had to be from the back of the head to blow out his face.
odd, very odd |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 107433
United States
4/18/2007 7:58 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
Have any of the classroom survivors positively identified the Korean kid as the shooter or is there doubt about who was really doing the accurate shooting?
Is it possible that this kid is the scapegoat and has been set up?
Is it possible that the real shooter pro has escaped without being questioned? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224944
United States
4/18/2007 8:01 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
... (if that link comes out saying "gas-oven" you know where it came from)
No, I don't. I have seen it many times, and wondered what the real link was. Anyone care to enlighten me? Quoting: Sir_Chancealot
Lessee how we can do this without getting banned again.
[link to www.google.com]
It's in there somewhere. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 179453
United States
4/18/2007 8:18 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
To clarify something that needs to be addressed for the idiots...
A Clip is a small strip of metal that locks onto the case lip of the cartridge and is used to quicky load a (magazine)
with ammunition.
A Clip is NOT what is used to hold ammo and is an integral part of a weapon,,a friggin MAGAZINE is!!!!!!
A MAGAZINE is what is carried in pouches in a service belt or a tactical vest for quick reloading during combat.
Clips are rarely carried today in the field as magazines are loaded fully ,before an operation...
You would see WW2 vets carrying a bandolier of ammo for their M1 garands which would have 10 30/06 rounds in a clip.
These were jammed into the internal magazine and the clip discarded.
Clips are used today for m16,s also again holding 10 rounds and can be jammed into a m16 magazine 3 times for a total of 30 rounds....
So QUIT calling a magazine a Clip you hollywood educated boneheads!! I suppose you probably think a pistol shoots best when turned into the 3- 9 o clock position like the bruthas on TV...
Those sights after all are for losers who don't know any better |
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Circuit Breaker 
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 157725
United States
4/18/2007 8:27 AM
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I wondered how long it would take before someone started turning this whole thing into some kind of conspiracy. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224944
United States
4/18/2007 8:36 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
To clarify something that needs to be addressed for the idiots...
A Clip is a small strip of metal that locks onto the case lip of the cartridge and is used to quicky load a (magazine)
with ammunition.
A Clip is NOT what is used to hold ammo and is an integral part of a weapon,,a friggin MAGAZINE is!!!!!!
A MAGAZINE is what is carried in pouches in a service belt or a tactical vest for quick reloading during combat.
Clips are rarely carried today in the field as magazines are loaded fully ,before an operation...
You would see WW2 vets carrying a bandolier of ammo for their M1 garands which would have 10 30/06 rounds in a clip.
These were jammed into the internal magazine and the clip discarded.
Clips are used today for m16,s also again holding 10 rounds and can be jammed into a m16 magazine 3 times for a total of 30 rounds....
So QUIT calling a magazine a Clip you hollywood educated boneheads!! I suppose you probably think a pistol shoots best when turned into the 3- 9 o clock position like the bruthas on TV...
Those sights after all are for losers who don't know any better Quoting: Anonymous Coward 179453
Maybe you'd like to contact our elected officials and educate them as well. They use the words clip and magazine interchangably.
[link to www.house.gov] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224760
Australia
4/18/2007 8:40 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
"I would imagine if Joe Vialls (God rest his soul!) was still alive: he would be having a field day with the suspicious activities concerning & surrounding this entire real life horror story.
Anyway! Here is a very interesting alternative synopsis on what we know thus far: for your measured consideration.
Note the subliminal Media mentioning of "bomb threats" only a few days before the ghastly events of April 16th began.
Note also the hysterical character demolition of the alleged gunman (Cho Seung-Hui) currently running amok in the MSM (particularly the emphasis on his "Alien" Asian origin!).
Pity neither he - like that Amish School "Berserker", and those "Berserkers" who conducted The Columbine Massacre...are alive to answer for their crimes......But then dead men can't tell LIES....can they!" |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224760
Australia
4/18/2007 8:43 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
"The founders of the United States were succinct in their reasons for the 2nd amendment to the Constitution: government control. Therefore Congress was NOT to be allowed to control the ownership of weapons, period. End of story.
The designation of certain weapons as being "controlled" by the Federal Government of the USA is beyond the scope of the legal designation of any of our branches of government to control. They have usurped their authority above "the 'so-called' Highest Law of the Land", which they hippo-critically (yes, spelling intended) swear to uphold in their oaths of office.
My dear, all of the sophisticated weaponry of the world will not keep Somalia or Iraq "free", Mogadishu "independent", or Russia or the United Kingdon "democratic". Nor will "regimes" be kept from murdering their own citizens.
This is not about murder. "An armed society is a polite society", so says Robert Heinlein.
Scared populaces who line up to be single-handedly assassainated are hardly what I would call civil societies.
Of course, were I in charge, there would not have been a long history of Federal intervention into other country's affairs to bolster money-giving industrys' bolstering of my re-erection (spelling also intended) campaign.
In fact, behavior of that order would result in charges of treason.
But, hmmm, I digress.
Were every, or even some, of the students in Blacksburg carrying weapons, trained in their usage, as the killer apparently was, and willing to use them instead of jumping out the window, well, things might have been different. The weapons mentioned aren't even of the heavy firearm variety. Two hands, a pissed-off attitude, and a will to use them beats .22 caliber pistols anyday. It may take 30 seconds to die, but only 15 to snap someone's neck.
If you knew what was going to happen, wouldn't you take the chance to save someone else's life? At your own expense? You see? There's your ticket. Life isn't even worthy of attending to. Must be politically correct, must not take risks. Must be controlled.
That is all I have to say on the Blacksburg incident, except that one of my lawyers lives there, and I wish I'd convinced the killer to go to his office, instead of a university. Too bad my lawyer doesn't read these posts. He'd be more attentive at that point.
"Cynics always lose to realists in poker. It shows in their face." A Z-quote. " |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 55250
United States
4/18/2007 8:55 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
To clarify something that needs to be addressed for the idiots...
A Clip is a small strip of metal that locks onto the case lip of the cartridge and is used to quicky load a (magazine)
with ammunition.
A Clip is NOT what is used to hold ammo and is an integral part of a weapon,,a friggin MAGAZINE is!!!!!!
A MAGAZINE is what is carried in pouches in a service belt or a tactical vest for quick reloading during combat.
Clips are rarely carried today in the field as magazines are loaded fully ,before an operation...
You would see WW2 vets carrying a bandolier of ammo for their M1 garands which would have 10 30/06 rounds in a clip.
These were jammed into the internal magazine and the clip discarded.
Clips are used today for m16,s also again holding 10 rounds and can be jammed into a m16 magazine 3 times for a total of 30 rounds....
So QUIT calling a magazine a Clip you hollywood educated boneheads!! I suppose you probably think a pistol shoots best when turned into the 3- 9 o clock position like the bruthas on TV...
Those sights after all are for losers who don't know any better Quoting: Anonymous Coward 179453
Close, but no cigar...
The M1 Garrand clip held 8 rounds and was dropped into the well, the bolt pulled back to release the catch and let slam home from a fully rearward position this stripping the first round from the clip into the chamber...* successive pulls of the trigger fired all rounds and the clip ejected out of the well and (hopefully) over the right shoulder of the shooter...The bolt locked in the open position waiting for a new clip to be inserted and the sequence repeated...
The clip you are referring to is a 'stripper clip' as those used to load the well/magazine of an SKS, and as you mentioned the mags of AR-15/M16's...
[link to www.rt66.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 55250
United States
4/18/2007 8:58 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
I wondered how long it would take before someone started turning this whole thing into some kind of conspiracy. Quoting: Circuit Breaker
The paranoid minds on here were thinking conspiracy before the smoke cleared... |
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tachik0ma
User ID: 224147
 Spain
4/18/2007 9:01 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
Something just crossed my mind:
Fire alarms
From what I have read it looks like no one had the clever idea to trigger them. Or maybe they were not working and that would correlate with the testimony of the girl who said that nothing worked. |
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tachik0ma
User ID: 224147
Spain
4/18/2007 9:10 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
Something just crossed my mind:
Fire alarms
From what I have read it looks like no one had the clever idea to trigger them. Or maybe they were not working and that would correlate with the testimony of the girl who said that nothing worked. Quoting: tachik0ma 224147
[link to www.studentprograms.vt.edu] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 114296
United States
4/18/2007 9:24 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
so with the phone off, and
now they are saying all the
blackberrys aren't working,
what info got out yesterday?
everyone killed, phone off,
blackberrys todaY,at what point do they
shut down the internet?
unless it was just 1 super
killer,
hmmm
well cnn is showing people
now "who" can point out this guys
nutjob shit.
note to cnn ,
get kids who don't grin threw the whole interveiw,
it would be eazer to belive them.
and please if they are going to lie,
coach them better lol. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224760
Australia
4/18/2007 9:30 AM | | Re: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' | Quote |
i have a question.
Just about every young adult these days has a mobile phone. When they state that the phones did not work, does this mean that the local cell phone tower was out of service.
If not, why could they not use the internet via their cell phones? |
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