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Do GLPers want an impersonal cosmic Santa Claus God who will never hold them accountable for anything?

 
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Do GLPers want an impersonal cosmic Santa Claus God who will never hold them accountable for anything?
I have noticed thread after thread here on GLP where people talk about what they "think" God is like or where people talk about what they "feel" God should be like.

It seems that people here at GLP want God to be some sort of impersonal cosmic Santa Claus:

-They want God to be "everywhere" or "in everything" so that He will not be personal so they don't have to deal with Him.

-If God does exist, they want Him to make their lives always super happy and they want Him to give them whatever they want whenever they want it.

-And at the same time they want God to approve every single thing they do and to never, ever hold them accountable for anything.

A lot of people are talking about what they think or want God to be like, but nobody is talking about the evidence.

Well, let's talk about what the evidence does show:

-God DOES exist:

[link to www.leestrobel.com]

-Jesus Christ really did come to the earth:

[link to www.grantjeffrey.com]

-Jesus Christ really did rise from the dead:

[link to godlikeproductions.com]

-All of this was foretold by God in the Bible with specificity:

[link to www.xenos.org]

(Pay particular attention to the final presentation entitled "Jesus' Death As A Fulfillment of Old Testament Prophecy)

-Jesus is alive and doing miracles in our day:

[link to video.google.com]

and

[link to godlikeproductions.com]

-Jesus is appearing to people all over the globe:

[link to bibleprobe.com]

and

[link to www.amightywind.com]

-Jesus is coming again and the signs that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass right in front of our eyes:

[link to godlikeproductions.com]
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I think it is up to us to find our own salvation, not depend on God.
so this is it!!!!!!
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Re: Do GLPers want an impersonal cosmic Santa Claus God who will never hold them accountable for anything?
LIKE PARENTS ARE TO A CHILD, SAME THING...WE ARE IN AWE
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How could god not be everything if he is omnipotent and omnipresent? In order for god to be, well, god, he cannot have an ego because to do so he would sacrifice his omnipresence. The only thing that seperates man from god is ego. All that happens when you die is that you lose your ego or your individuality and you become one with everything again.
I think of the spiritual realm as an ocean and when a life form is created, it seperates into a seperate entity or a water droplet. When you die you rejoin the ocean until a part of you breaks off again in another droplet.
The Bible is archaic because people simply could not understand god so they had to give him human qualities like anger, jealousy, and vengeance. Do you notice how god kind of changes from the Old to the New Testament? Thats because Jesus had a new idea of god. This is the evolution of conciousness that has been talked about. Our understanding of everything (god) has changed or evolved.

at least that's my $0.02
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I think it is up to us to find our own salvation, not depend on God.
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How are we going to find our own salvation magicfairy?

And why would we not depend on God is He does exist?
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well you work at following a good lifestyle and being kind ect ect, not depend on a god to be your salvation, what is the point of doing wrong then being cleansed by a god and then going out and doing wrong again, it is a cycle of emptyness to me... it is up to each of us to redeem ourselves by living a good life...... do no harm to others.

IN MY HUMBLE OPINION that is......
hf
so this is it!!!!!!
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LIKE PARENTS ARE TO A CHILD, SAME THING...WE ARE IN AWE
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I'm not certain that I understand your point.
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It seems that people here at GLP want God to be some sort of impersonal cosmic Santa Claus:

-They want God to be "everywhere" or "in everything" so that He will not be personal so they don't have to deal with Him."

... lol, how much more personally intimate may "everwhere" and "in everything" be?
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To answer OP's question;

Yes, please!

Where can I get one?

lol
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Excellent post 90848. I'm sure you've noticed, men tend to create GOD in their own image, rather than acknowledging that we were created in HIS Image, after HIS Likeness. But we fail, HE does not.

Man wants a GOD that does not hold him accountable. Man wants a GOD that changes with the whims of man. They do not want a GOD that IS Judgmental, Righteous and True; they want one that accepts sin, iniquity, and evil. To them, men like Charles Manson, Marilyn Manson, Jeffrey Dahlmer, Anton LeVey, and their ilk are the same as the selfless missionary who leaves all behind to tend to the poor, sick, fatherless of the world.

GOD created us in HIS Image, which does not mean HE is like us, it means we are to become like HIM, if we allow HIM to fashion us as a potter fashions the clay. We were given emotions, so too does HE have emotions (even the negative ones of jealousy, anger, wrath), but HIS are Righteous; we were given a brain to think, meditate/contemplate, reflect, so too does HE have a brain, but HIS is not hindered by selfishness, greed, corruption; we were given a heart to feel compassion or rage, so too does HE have a heart to feel compassion or rage, but HIS is Justified and Righteous, not hindered by fallen nature.

We are called to live by HIS Word, every single one. Not solely in the flesh, but moreso in the Spirit. We cannot save ourselves, we MUST have a Redeemer (JESUS The CHRIST), and it is only through our obedience that we reveal our Love for GOD. HE is our FATHER, and so aptly put. Our human fathers are only meant as a representation of HIS True Nature. Sadly, too many human fathers fail at their duty to be as should.

Man tells GOD what is acceptable and true, rather than hearing what HE says is acceptable and true. Man tells GOD what he is willing to do, refusing to hear what is Commanded for us to do. If GOD were an employer, HE would have fired all of us immediately; you do not go to a job, with a written, given job description, then tell your boss you will do a,b, and c, but not d,e,f,g,h...you do not tell your boss you are going to do this or that, the way YOU want. You would be fired in short order. But man does this to GOD...2 Thes chapter 2 has been fulfilled, when man sets himself up as GOD (Supreme Magistrate) and declares how worship will be, what will be acceptable or not, and seats himself on the Throne as GOD. The man of sin (lawlessness-being without law), the son of perdition (of ruin, destruction) is alive and well, and living amongst us. These are the spirit of antichrist.
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nah, God's the Man with the Whip... you'll all pay personally, sinners! (unless you become catholic and repent, right now! lol)
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NO ACCOUNTABITY 4 ANYONE/ANYTHING! ACCOUNTABITY goes 2 the QUANTUM SUPERCOMPUTERS that CONTROLS/RUNS THINGS on this PLANET.
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I have noticed thread after thread here on GLP where people talk about what they "think" God is like or where people talk about what they "feel" God should be like.

It seems that people here at GLP want God to be some sort of impersonal cosmic Santa Claus:

-They want God to be "everywhere" or "in everything" so that He will not be personal so they don't have to deal with Him.

-If God does exist, they want Him to make their lives always super happy and they want Him to give them whatever they want whenever they want it.

-And at the same time they want God to approve every single thing they do and to never, ever hold them accountable for anything.

A lot of people are talking about what they think or want God to be like, but nobody is talking about the evidence.

Well, let's talk about what the evidence does show:

-God DOES exist:

[link to www.leestrobel.com]

-Jesus Christ really did come to the earth:

[link to www.grantjeffrey.com]

-Jesus Christ really did rise from the dead:

[link to godlikeproductions.com]

-All of this was foretold by God in the Bible with specificity:

[link to www.xenos.org]

(Pay particular attention to the final presentation entitled "Jesus' Death As A Fulfillment of Old Testament Prophecy)

-Jesus is alive and doing miracles in our day:

[link to video.google.com]

and

[link to godlikeproductions.com]

-Jesus is appearing to people all over the globe:

[link to bibleprobe.com]

and

[link to www.amightywind.com]

-Jesus is coming again and the signs that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass right in front of our eyes:

[link to godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: 90848 90848


yes he is alive an doing great works around the world.and the devil is pissed because his time is short lol
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well you work at following a good lifestyle and being kind ect ect, not depend on a god to be your salvation, what is the point of doing wrong then being cleansed by a god and then going out and doing wrong again, it is a cycle of emptyness to me... it is up to each of us to redeem ourselves by living a good life...... do no harm to others.

IN MY HUMBLE OPINION that is......
hf
 Quoting: magicfairy



I appreciate you sharing your thoughts with us magicfairy.

Do you think you are a good person?

If so, I would love to get your opinion on the same question after reading this:

[link to www.livingwaters.com]
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god is an impersonal cosmic santa claus...no different than a lab tech looking at amoeba under glass.

the amoeba is nothing to the lab tech but something interesting to look at.

the amoeba cannot change or grow closer to the lab tech because the lab tech is impersonal.

my thoughts.
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How could god not be everything if he is omnipotent and omnipresent? In order for god to be, well, god, he cannot have an ego because to do so he would sacrifice his omnipresence. The only thing that seperates man from god is ego. All that happens when you die is that you lose your ego or your individuality and you become one with everything again.
I think of the spiritual realm as an ocean and when a life form is created, it seperates into a seperate entity or a water droplet. When you die you rejoin the ocean until a part of you breaks off again in another droplet.
The Bible is archaic because people simply could not understand god so they had to give him human qualities like anger, jealousy, and vengeance. Do you notice how god kind of changes from the Old to the New Testament? Thats because Jesus had a new idea of god. This is the evolution of conciousness that has been talked about. Our understanding of everything (god) has changed or evolved.

at least that's my $0.02
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 191784



I appreciate you sharing your ideas with us.

It sounds like you have been highly influenced by Eastern religions. Is that true?
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Yes, 89408,


This is exactly what GLP-ers and most of the human race want.


Neverending "unconditional love" on their terms (not God's) and with absolutely *zero spiritual discipline*, only Light, Joy and Love for ME ME ME... and for a whole lot, "instant paid salvation" too.


Not asking much of an ATM-God, is it?


Wasayo
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It seems that people here at GLP want God to be some sort of impersonal cosmic Santa Claus:

-They want God to be "everywhere" or "in everything" so that He will not be personal so they don't have to deal with Him."

... lol, how much more personally intimate may "everwhere" and "in everything" be?
 Quoting: gooderboy



A god that is in every rock, stone and piece of dirt isn't a god at all...........it is more like the impersonal "force" in star wars. A "force" is preferable to so many people today, because it does not have laws to be followed, it does not make demands on people's lives, and it does not ask anyone to follow it.

Someone has said on this site that we are all gods. Anyone with a brain would know that is not true. There is one God and He is real, and He does make demands on our lives, and He does ask us to follow Him.
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God's motive for Creation was impersonal.
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God's motive for Creation was impersonal.
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What do you mean by that?
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A "force" is preferable to so many people today, because it does not have laws to be followed, it does not make demands on people's lives, and it does not ask anyone to follow it.

I beg to differ here.

Regardless of the reality or not of a god.

If indeed you have this or these fundamental principles that underly the very universal fabric, then those laws are already the laws that govern what you even perceive of reality.

It needs not make demands because you already are acting according to its laws.

It does not ask you to follow because you need not go anywhere.

As these principles evolve, they necessarily create the conditions they see fit for life experimentation, that very life that we are forced to experiment and that has inscribed in itself all the parameters that you simply cannot escape. This is the ultimate law, that you shall live this experiment whether you like it or not and that you shall continue on the path of that experiment, no matter what your spiritual inclination.

It is not a demand, it is a command.
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A "force" is preferable to so many people today, because it does not have laws to be followed, it does not make demands on people's lives, and it does not ask anyone to follow it.

I beg to differ here.

Regardless of the reality or not of a god.

If indeed you have this or these fundamental principles that underly the very universal fabric, then those laws are already the laws that govern what you even perceive of reality.

It needs not make demands because you already are acting according to its laws.

It does not ask you to follow because you need not go anywhere.

As these principles evolve, they necessarily create the conditions they see fit for life experimentation, that very life that we are forced to experiment and that has inscribed in itself all the parameters that you simply cannot escape. This is the ultimate law, that you shall live this experiment whether you like it or not and that you shall continue on the path of that experiment, no matter what your spiritual inclination.

It is not a demand, it is a command.
 Quoting: Unbeliever 98049




My point is that people here seem to not want a God that can tell them what they do is "wrong".

People here want to feel like whatever choice they make is right just because they say so.

But there is right and wrong in the universe.

Many people want to make up their own reality and their own "right and wrong", but the truth will never be found that way.

Where can the Truth be found?

In the Bible.

It is an amazing book, and if any of you have not read it, then I would highly recommend it. It is the Word of God.

Jesus is Lord.
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And so, in the bible is it written, that Adam and Eve fell by eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. That very fruit that gave them knowledge of right and wrong.

They therefore acquired a polarized psychology that forced them to interpret everything as right or wrong, true or false, black or white.

To this day, this psychological makeup remains and people pit their ideologies against others in a fistfight about who is right and who is wrong.

They have preserved the Adamic stain of having eaten of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the very reason why they were 'cast out'.

Yet, we now hold our ideas, perceived through this psychology, as righteous even though they proceed from the downfall of humanity and it becoming mortals and being forced into the experience of death.

So long as humanity retains as modus operandi this psychological platform, it will insure that this planet remains the hell to which it was tied with the golden chains of its impression of being right, even in total ignorance.
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And so, in the bible is it written, that Adam and Eve fell by eating of fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. That very fruit that gave them knowledge of right and wrong.

They therefore acquired a polarized psychology that forced them to interpret everything as right or wrong, true or false, black or white.

To this day, this psychological makeup remains and people pit their ideologies against others in a fistfight about who is right and who is wrong.

They have preserved the Adamic stain of having eaten of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the very reason why they were 'cast out'.

Yet, we now hold our ideas, perceived through this psychology, as righteous even though they proceed from the downfall of humanity and it becoming mortals and being forced into the experience of death.

So long as humanity retains as modus operandi this psychological platform, it will insure that this planet remains the hell to which it was tied with the golden chains of its impression of being right, even in total ignorance.
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Said in simpler form, the current human psychology, the way we think, is the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and we happily eat more of it everyday thus insuring the perpetuation of our predicament.
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How could god not be everything if he is omnipotent and omnipresent? In order for god to be, well, god, he cannot have an ego because to do so he would sacrifice his omnipresence. The only thing that seperates man from god is ego. All that happens when you die is that you lose your ego or your individuality and you become one with everything again.
I think of the spiritual realm as an ocean and when a life form is created, it seperates into a seperate entity or a water droplet. When you die you rejoin the ocean until a part of you breaks off again in another droplet.
The Bible is archaic because people simply could not understand god so they had to give him human qualities like anger, jealousy, and vengeance. Do you notice how god kind of changes from the Old to the New Testament? Thats because Jesus had a new idea of god. This is the evolution of conciousness that has been talked about. Our understanding of everything (god) has changed or evolved.

at least that's my $0.02



I appreciate you sharing your ideas with us.

It sounds like you have been highly influenced by Eastern religions. Is that true?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 90848



I've had a number of influences that led me to come to have this belief. Mostly, i've just looked inside myself and also at the world around me and have come to realize its true. Why do we need to find answers in a book? Were we born with a magical book in our hands or something? Nope. The answers you seek lie within and nobody should ever tell you otherwise.
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I've had a number of influences that led me to come to have this belief. Mostly, i've just looked inside myself and also at the world around me and have come to realize its true. Why do we need to find answers in a book? Were we born with a magical book in our hands or something? Nope. The answers you seek lie within and nobody should ever tell you otherwise.
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Why is that? You found the truth because you said so?

I would rather place my faith in the proven and established Word of God.

No book in human history has had the same influence as the Bible.

Why?

Because it is true.

It has changed my life, and it can change the lives of everyone who reads this.

What is your authority for saying the "answers you seek like within"?

My authority is the Bible.

I encourage you to read it and let it's truths transform your life.
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It seems that people here at GLP want God to be some sort of impersonal cosmic Santa Claus:

-They want God to be "everywhere" or "in everything" so that He will not be personal so they don't have to deal with Him."

... lol, how much more personally intimate may "everwhere" and "in everything" be?



A god that is in every rock, stone and piece of dirt isn't a god at all...........it is more like the impersonal "force" in star wars. A "force" is preferable to so many people today, because it does not have laws to be followed, it does not make demands on people's lives, and it does not ask anyone to follow it.

Someone has said on this site that we are all gods. Anyone with a brain would know that is not true. There is one God and He is real, and He does make demands on our lives, and He does ask us to follow Him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 90848


... exsqueeze me... just how do you go about impersonalizing upon yourself like that? I don't get it???

Sounds to me like you just haven't matured enough for to not to have to have some sort of a parental kinda figure is all.
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God's motive for Creation was impersonal.
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... it was, lol?????? Please to show me then, anything creative that's impersonal in any way.
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how long have you been a practicing christian?
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To answer OP's question;

Yes, please!

Where can I get one?

lol
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LOL ... Lot's of Luck!

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