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It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!!
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225412
4/19/2007 7:47 AM
Report abusive post | It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!!
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Just found on rigorousintuition forum:
Dr. ISMAIL AK is a Professor of Psychiatry at a university in Turkey. His research interests include the following:
Personal Disorders, Agressive behavior and self-mutilation, ECT, Substance-related disorders, Sexual Disorders, Forensic Psychiatry, Sleep Disorders
From the Turkish Association of Psychopharmacology website:
President-elect:
Professor Ismail AK, M.D. Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey
Ismail AK is Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey
He is an experienced on clinical psychopharmacology of schizophrenia and bipolar disorders.
Dr. Ismail Ak is one of the authors of an article about patients with mental disorders, psychotic features, etc.:
As regards pharmacotherapies, 354 (50.2%) were given antidepressants. . . . Among antidepressants, Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) were 72.8%. . . .
This is an abstract of an article co-written by Dr. ISMAIL AK:
Even though all psychiatric disorders do not have the same potential with regard to committing a crime, the number of individuals having psychiatric disorders is gradually going up depending on the increase of crimes and violent behaviors committed in a society. . . . The relation between existence of psychiatric disorder and crime behavior has been significantly emphasized in several earlier studies. In conclusion, it is notable that the rates of committing crime for the individuals with psychiatric disorders are on the rise.
Dr. Ismail Ak is apparently one of the world's leading experts on the psychiatry of antisocial and suicidal behavior, psychotic and bipolar disorders, psychopharmacological therapy, etc.
The young man had been noticed to be disturbed and had been referred to counseling. Dr. Ismail Ak is an expert and author in the particular field most directly related to the guy's disorder.
So it's possible that the writing on the guy's arm said
ISMAIL AK
and the K was written in a way that people *thought* it said
ISMAIL AX |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225414
4/19/2007 7:48 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
nice find :) |
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Eagle # 1
User ID: 223777
4/19/2007 8:05 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
SO FAR, FAR fetched it was a waste of time to read. Thought you had some REAL proof of the statement.
Eagle |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 75183
4/19/2007 8:49 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
My thought was since he was an english major is that it was an english tag as in
Ismael- Islam
AX - the demon |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 214869
4/19/2007 8:59 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
I have seen 20 more plausible interpretations of Ismail Ax than this. As if someone would Google names of psychiatrists and then write one in ink on his arm. Get real. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225190
4/19/2007 9:56 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
They might if he was his handler |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 214369
4/19/2007 10:11 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
I have seen 20 more plausible interpretations of Ismail Ax than this. As if someone would Google names of psychiatrists and then write one in ink on his arm. Get real. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 214869
Idiot, this is one of the most plausible explanations for the writing I have read yet... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225464
4/19/2007 10:11 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
BINGO!!!!!!!!
DR. ISMAIL AK IS ALSO AN EXPERT ON DISSOCIATION.
IF YOU HAVE STUDIED MIND CONTROL, THEN YOU KNOW THAT TRAUMA AND DISSOCIATION ARE A BIG PART OF THIS.
SSSP 2002 Program: Augusta, Georgia
12. Alexithymia And Dissociative Tendencies In An Adolescent Sample From Eastern Turkey
Kemal Sayar, Musa Turhan, Samet Kose, ISMAIL AK, Murat Topbas (Karadeniz Technical University School of Medicine, Department of Psychiatry, Trabzon, Turkey, and Medical University of South Carolina, Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences).
Alexithymia and dissociative reactions are two strategies that have been put forward as coping mechanisms to alleviate painful emotions. Adult studies reveal an association between alexithymia and dissociation. In line with the coping hypothesis, it was predicted that the relationship between alexithymia and dissociative tendencies would be partly mediated by current levels of stress and past traumatic experiences. Dissociation may also be related to enhanced fantasizing, although alexithymia has traditionally been associated with an incapacity to fantasize. This relationship has not been well studied in adolescents. In the present study, we assessed 173 randomly selected high school students from Eastern Turkey with the Adolescent Dissociative Experiences Scale, the Beck Depression and Anxiety inventories, the Rosenberg Self-esteem Scale and the Toronto Alexithymia Scale. Correlation analyses followed by stepwise regression analyses were performed. “Difficulty identifying feelings” subscale of the Toronto Alexithymia Scale, anxiety level and the history of prolonged and frequent punishment emerged as predictors of dissociative tendencies. It seems that in this group, dissociation serves to cope with anxiety and this is associated with a difficulty in identifying feelings. In societies where articulation of feelings is not favored for adolesecents, dissociation may serve as a mean of communicating feelings. The adolescent who is alexithymic may be more prone to dissociation when compared to his/her nonalexithymic peers. To emphatize with the dissociating adolescent, one must bear in mind that it may also serve as an adaptive mechanism to stress.
[link to www.ssrc.msstate.edu] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225464
4/19/2007 10:12 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
They might if he was his handler Quoting: Anonymous Coward 225190
EXACTLY! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 95937
4/19/2007 10:14 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
Could he be his handler?? Most Interesting find! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225467
4/19/2007 10:18 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
There is no doubt in my mind that this kid was a mind control victim. Immediately when the students started describing him as being blank, empty, showing no emotion even as he was shooting people at point blank range, I knew mind control was a likely culprit. Now with the strange references and trigger words involved in this story I am even more convinced. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225464
4/19/2007 10:31 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
Yes. Definitely. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224651
4/19/2007 10:35 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
great find...and why do so many posters want to nay say this right away? odd!! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225464
4/19/2007 10:38 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
great find...and why do so many posters want to nay say this right away? odd!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 224651
Very odd indeed. But then T-------- and it's tentacles do influence different people in different ways. |
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f4
User ID: 198598
4/19/2007 10:41 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
YEAH YOU NEGAGIVE POSTERS ARE IMPOSTERS or just plain stupid. Neocons maybe. This is GREAT gREAT find. Very interesting. Thanks! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225463
4/19/2007 10:44 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
Did Dr. Ismael Ax remove the magic mole 2 months later as well? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225464
4/19/2007 10:51 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
Did Dr. Ismael Ax remove the magic mole 2 months later as well? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 225463
Sorry, you've lost me? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 96486
4/19/2007 10:53 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
GOOD JOB !!!!!!! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225333
4/19/2007 11:06 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
I noticed in the NBC version it was spelled Ismael |
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spacejaxsonnli
User ID: 200812
4/19/2007 11:09 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
excellent find people!!!!!!!!! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 111154
4/19/2007 11:58 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
Hurry! Someone pin this already! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 150446
4/19/2007 12:39 PM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
There is no doubt in my mind that this kid was a mind control victim. Immediately when the students started describing him as being blank, empty, showing no emotion even as he was shooting people at point blank range, I knew mind control was a likely culprit. Now with the strange references and trigger words involved in this story I am even more convinced. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 225467
"no doubt" ??
"mind control" ???
Yep, goofballs like you belong on a conspiracy forum.
Ever hear of waiting for all the evidence to be in ? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 96486
4/19/2007 1:48 PM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
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the one
User ID: 225538
4/19/2007 2:05 PM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
This is what I found on it:
[link to www.ismael-project.net]
Hmmm... what were those professors working on Professor Granata's family was just on Oprah saying he traveled to Germany twice this year. Professor Librescu well check him out: [link to www.aoe.vt.edu] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225333
4/19/2007 2:06 PM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
There is no doubt in my mind that this kid was a mind control victim. Immediately when the students started describing him as being blank, empty, showing no emotion even as he was shooting people at point blank range, I knew mind control was a likely culprit. Now with the strange references and trigger words involved in this story I am even more convinced.
"no doubt" ??
"mind control" ???
Yep, goofballs like you belong on a conspiracy forum.
Ever hear of waiting for all the evidence to be in ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 150446
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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D.SMith
User ID: 199904
4/19/2007 2:23 PM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
Just found on rigorousintuition forum:
Dr. ISMAIL AK is a Professor of Psychiatry at a university in Turkey. His research interests include the following:
Personal Disorders, Agressive behavior and self-mutilation, ECT, Substance-related disorders, Sexual Disorders, Forensic Psychiatry, Sleep Disorders
From the Turkish Association of Psychopharmacology website:
President-elect:
Professor Ismail AK, M.D. Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey
Ismail AK is Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey
He is an experienced on clinical psychopharmacology of schizophrenia and bipolar disorders.
Dr. Ismail Ak is one of the authors of an article about patients with mental disorders, psychotic features, etc.:
As regards pharmacotherapies, 354 (50.2%) were given antidepressants. . . . Among antidepressants, Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) were 72.8%. . . .
This is an abstract of an article co-written by Dr. ISMAIL AK:
Even though all psychiatric disorders do not have the same potential with regard to committing a crime, the number of individuals having psychiatric disorders is gradually going up depending on the increase of crimes and violent behaviors committed in a society. . . . The relation between existence of psychiatric disorder and crime behavior has been significantly emphasized in several earlier studies. In conclusion, it is notable that the rates of committing crime for the individuals with psychiatric disorders are on the rise.
Dr. Ismail Ak is apparently one of the world's leading experts on the psychiatry of antisocial and suicidal behavior, psychotic and bipolar disorders, psychopharmacological therapy, etc.
The young man had been noticed to be disturbed and had been referred to counseling. Dr. Ismail Ak is an expert and author in the particular field most directly related to the guy's disorder.
So it's possible that the writing on the guy's arm said
ISMAIL AK
and the K was written in a way that people *thought* it said
ISMAIL AX Quoting: Anonymous Coward 225412
Interesting but I think the most plausible explanation is still the most obvious. Ismail is the Muslim spelling for Ismael. Now besides its biblical meaning and the meaning in the Koran there is another meaning for the word and that is Outcast. We know what an ax is used for so . If we take what has been reported we could safely assume that it probably stood for what he felt. OUTCAST CUT FROM SOCIETY
It is reported that in his ramblings he talked of Jesus Christ and the Islamic world, but the jury is still out on anything more then that. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/19/2007 2:26 PM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
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snake-eyes
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4/19/2007 2:33 PM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
[link to www.prisonplanet.com]
To be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality - Pierre Joseph Proudhon (General Idea of the Revolution in the Nineteenth Century)
The liberty of man consists solely in this, that he obeys the laws of nature, because he has himself recognized them as such, and not because they have been imposed upon him externally by any foreign will whatsoever, human or divine, collective or individual – Mikhail Bakunin (Founder of Anarchism, in his God and the State, 1882)
Nuff said. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 19003
4/19/2007 2:48 PM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
Govern ment
Control Mind |
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Bob
User ID: 225820
4/20/2007 1:17 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
I don't think it is a question of whether he was mind controlled, but the extent.
We're all controlled on a very basic level. The highest level would be to be an unthinking robot. Somewhere in between would be to be manipulated, the kind of manipulation where given a choice, your choice can be predicted and suggestion can assure which choice you make. That brings the question who was manipulating him.
Suggesting that he had a 'handler', suggests that the handler lead him to do this. He could have been selected knowing he could be manipulated easily and was in some way prone or liable to lose it. Alternatively, the 'handler' could have been handling him so that he didn't go postal.
Presuming he didn't have a handler, then you can assume that he was naturally psycotic before any psychiatric or shadowy involvement.
Either way, everyone on this thread seems to know that mind control is very real and I agree 100% with that. Even if he was in no way being controlled, others are, and with the same stimulus as he was, (manchurian candidates watch the same tv channels, the same radio shows, the same films).
Either way, I hope the right reaction and reflection comes out of this inconcievable event |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225914
4/20/2007 8:24 AM | | Re: It wasn't Ismail Ax but... ISMAIL AK!!! | Quote |
BINGO!!!!!!!!
DR. ISMAIL AK IS ALSO AN EXPERT ON DISSOCIATION.
IF YOU HAVE STUDIED MIND CONTROL, THEN YOU KNOW THAT TRAUMA AND DISSOCIATION ARE A BIG PART OF THIS.
SSSP 2002 Program: Augusta, Georgia
12. Alexithymia And Dissociative Tendencies In An Adolescent Sample From Eastern Turkey
Kemal Sayar, Musa Turhan, Samet Kose, ISMAIL AK, Murat Topbas (Karadeniz Technical University School of Medicine, Department of Psychiatry, Trabzon, Turkey, and Medical University of South Carolina, Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences).
Alexithymia and dissociative reactions are two strategies that have been put forward as coping mechanisms to alleviate painful emotions. Adult studies reveal an association between alexithymia and dissociation. In line with the coping hypothesis, it was predicted that the relationship between alexithymia and dissociative tendencies would be partly mediated by current levels of stress and past traumatic experiences. Dissociation may also be related to enhanced fantasizing, although alexithymia has traditionally been associated with an incapacity to fantasize. This relationship has not been well studied in adolescents. In the present study, we assessed 173 randomly selected high school students from Eastern Turkey with the Adolescent Dissociative Experiences Scale, the Beck Depression and Anxiety inventories, the Rosenberg Self-esteem Scale and the Toronto Alexithymia Scale. Correlation analyses followed by stepwise regression analyses were performed. “Difficulty identifying feelings” subscale of the Toronto Alexithymia Scale, anxiety level and the history of prolonged and frequent punishment emerged as predictors of dissociative tendencies. It seems that in this group, dissociation serves to cope with anxiety and this is associated with a difficulty in identifying feelings. In societies where articulation of feelings is not favored for adolesecents, dissociation may serve as a mean of communicating feelings. The adolescent who is alexithymic may be more prone to dissociation when compared to his/her nonalexithymic peers. To emphatize with the dissociating adolescent, one must bear in mind that it may also serve as an adaptive mechanism to stress.
[ link to www.ssrc.msstate.edu]
Very interesting.
Trauma-based mind control. |
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