Patriot Weapon of Choice -- AR15

here is a good site on the subject:

[link to www.ak-47.net]

Here you go:

[link to www.pof-usa.com]
American Made Ar 10 and 15's with gas piston uppers.

Very similar to the HK 416/417

Available in full auto (If you know how to and can qualify with the BATFE to get them)



I have an 11 inch SBR 223 on its way to me right now from these guys, and the 308 I will order next week.



Scrumptious!!!!

LOL, Duncan, that's exactly why I don't own a few SKS's myself.

I bought a few hundred new brass empties, and a a couple thousand bullets for 7.62x39, just to keep in reserve. The SKS really beats up the brass, so I'm saving it for emergencies, and shooting the cheap steel cased stuff till I run out.

I think "Bowling for Columbine" is the last word on weapons in America. I do not know why you keep doing this, except to see the power at work. It's entertaining that way.

I think "Bowling for Columbine" is the last word on weapons in America. I do not know why you keep doing this, except to see the power at work. It's entertaining that way.




that movie so totally sucked! talk about walking in with a bias, omg, that director is a complete idiot!

i certainly hope you are a euro, and not an american

what's y'all opinion of a good remington or mossberg 12 gauge pump....shoots variety of readily available ammo and they are plentiful sooooo?

what's y'all opinion of a good remington or mossberg 12 gauge pump....shoots variety of readily available ammo and they are plentiful sooooo?

what's y'all opinion of a good remington or mossberg 12 gauge pump....shoots variety of readily available ammo and they are plentiful sooooo?


Mossberg 590 with the bayonet lug and an M10 or Marine standard issue bayonet for your home defense pleasure.

that movie so totally sucked! talk about walking in with a bias, omg, that director is a complete idiot!

But I think the bayonet lug and bayonet makes the shotgun a bit heavy and harder to aim in a very rapid-scenario situation where the closeness of the potential intruder means you'd have to swivel the gun very rapidly 45 degrees or more. also the length of the bayonet would make the shotgun a lot clumsier and likely to bang on the wall or catch on a curtain in such a scenario.

Just my opinion, of course.

I've never met a CZ weapon that I didn't like.

I've never met a CZ weapon that I didn't like.


CZs are fine guns, as are -- at least based on my non-existent experience -- Taurus revolvers.

nice music being played... very fitting lol

interesting weapon

OP, which model AR15 do you prefer? Bushmaster? Colt?

I have never owned a gun and never will, but if I were to get one, it would certainly not be anything chambering the 5.56 NATO round.

The reason is that it is simply too small to work on anything other than coyotes and IRS agents.

I hear a lot of people talking about how portable the AR (or the Mini-14) is, and it's true that the rifle and a hundred rounds of ammunition weigh a lot less than a similar carbine chambered in 7.62X39 or .308. But do any of you see yourselves as a highly mobile strike-force participiant, or merely as a homeowner defending his or her freehold? If I were into such things, I'd certainly pick the latter, which renders the advantages of light weight pretty irrelevant.

To my way of thinking, I'd want a gun that I and my family/friends can use to hold off attackers on our own ground; and a gun that can do a lots of other things, too, such as murdering Bambi. Given that one or two well-placed shots would be a lot more effective that spray-'n'-pray, I doubt if I'd give a lot of importance to a large magazine, either.

And finally, unless you all have a lot more money than I, you'd probably want an auto-loading carbine that would be inexpensive enought to use to outfit your family, which might mean three or four of them. Certainly, from a logistics point of view, a single model would drastically cut down on the number of other items (such as reloading dies, spare parts, and ammunition) you'd need to buy.

So using those criteria -- big enough caliber to knock down a deer or elk, accurate out to a hundred or hundred-fifty meters, reliable, and inexpensive in both non-recurring (buying the gun) and recurring (ammunition and parts) costs -- I'd pick Comrade Simonov's wonderful little self-loading carbine, the Samozaryadni Karabin Simonova AKA the SKS.

Of course, since I do not own any guns, this is purely an hypothetical exercise on my part.