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"Cho"'s tactics and training and implications for the Virgina Tech Massacre...

 
LEO
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"Cho"'s tactics and training and implications for the Virgina Tech Massacre...
It sounds like he was probably using the "Mozambique Drill".

Thats "two to the body, and one to the head".

"The Mozambique Drill instructs the shooter to place a double-tap in the center of mass, followed by a carefully aimed headshot."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This is important if so. In the cell phone video, I hear what sounds like this being done.
" POP-POP..POP .... POP-POP..POP .... POP-POP..POP! .... POP-POP..POP .... "

This guy was extremely well-trained and extremely well-prepared. TOO well-prepared and TOO well-trained for what we are told of "Cho".

I own a G19 just like the shooter's and have been involved heavily with firearms since I was a kid, including tactical training. This is expert-level capability for someone to accomplish with a handgun. What he did would be a challenge for even an experienced military operator to accomplish. The first thing I thought when I heard the final casualty total was that it must have been at least two shooters with AK's or AR's or equiv.

This shooter accomplished extraordinary feats of mass murder. Whats even more extraordinary, is that he was supposedly new to firearms and had no prior experience or formal training with handguns or tactics. This has the smell of bullshit just like the Amish school shooting does, just like the Dunblane Massacre, and just like the Port Arthur Massacre.

Whats even more extraordinary is that the
nation's worst shooting massacre ever
happens just as the
nation's most extensive gun control bill ever
is losing support in Congress...



Dunblane Massacre?
- used to create England's strict gun control !

Port Arthur Massacre?
- used to create Australia's strict gun control !

Virginia Tech Massacre?
- ???
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"Also known as the 'failure to stop drill' or '2+1 drill'. As part of the U.S. National Guard Combat Pistol and other military combat pistol competitions, the Mozambique Drill is called Body Armor Defeat, and is frequently a discriminator between the average shooter and the gifted shooter, especially when it is timed."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Congratulations. You are the first one to post something on the Cho incident worth considering.
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04/27/2007 02:24 AM
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Sitting in his room listening to eminem for 3 days and getting angry athaving a small korean nob??



poor, deluded, hypnotically suggestively trained fucking idiot
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04/27/2007 04:16 AM
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Re: "Cho"'s tactics and training and implications for the Virgina Tech Massacre...
H.R. 1022: "Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007"

[link to www.govtrack.us]
(which includes additional clauses to not only ban "assault weapons", but any semi-auto longgun or similar design that might have been designed with military or law enforcement use in mind...)

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[banned:]
`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.
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This includes everything from your Remington 700 bolt action hunting rifle, to your pump Mossberg, to your Ruger 10/22; however and whatever the Attorney General decides.

This is crucial.
Chuck

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04/27/2007 04:21 AM
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Re: "Cho"'s tactics and training and implications for the Virgina Tech Massacre...
It sounds like he was probably using the "Mozambique Drill".

Thats "two to the body, and one to the head".

"The Mozambique Drill instructs the shooter to place a double-tap in the center of mass, followed by a carefully aimed headshot."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This is important if so. In the cell phone video, I hear what sounds like this being done.
" POP-POP..POP .... POP-POP..POP .... POP-POP..POP! .... POP-POP..POP .... "

 Quoting: LEO 228940

Listen to the video again. There is no double-tap. I repeat, there is no double-tap. His accuracy is still impressive, but the video does not support this argument at all.
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04/27/2007 04:32 AM
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"Mozambique Drill"

Interesting. We know that each victim generally had 3 gunshot wounds and most also included shots to the head. You are probably right.

Yeah this just doesnt add up. This was not an amateur. Also, I think he was probably mind controlled for this specific task. The videos/pics/manifesto just add to my belief of that.

Sirhan Sirhan? Lee Harvey Oswald? Martin Bryant? James earl Ray? Mark David Chapman?
Marilyn Monroe?, Jimmie Hendrix?, Janis Joplin?
ect etc etc etc

Mind control, anyone? Murder, anyone?
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He read a target firing manual while in line at the post office.
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Re: "Cho"'s tactics and training and implications for the Virgina Tech Massacre...
It sounds like he was probably using the "Mozambique Drill".

Thats "two to the body, and one to the head".

"The Mozambique Drill instructs the shooter to place a double-tap in the center of mass, followed by a carefully aimed headshot."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This is important if so. In the cell phone video, I hear what sounds like this being done.
" POP-POP..POP .... POP-POP..POP .... POP-POP..POP! .... POP-POP..POP .... "


Listen to the video again. There is no double-tap. I repeat, there is no double-tap. His accuracy is still impressive, but the video does not support this argument at all.
 Quoting: Chuck


I distinctly heard it also. Not all of the shots, but you can hear two fast shots followed by a shot and then it does it again. Have you listened to the whole video taken by the guy with the cell phone? Some of the vids that have been posted of it dont show the whole recording. Also, like I posted above, most of the victims wree shot 3 times, and most had at least one head shot. So this is very likely.

Another mistake you are making is that the failure to stop drill is not exclusively two "double taps" followed by a head shot. Most basically it is two center mass shots(not necessarily double taps) followed by a shot to the head. Actual double taps are not a requirement for the Mozambique drill. The primary requirement is two center mass shots and a head shot.
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04/27/2007 09:42 AM
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Wasnt gun control a major part of the first cival war?!?!
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04/28/2007 12:49 AM
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04/28/2007 01:46 AM
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04/28/2007 01:51 AM
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Re: "Cho"'s tactics and training and implications for the Virgina Tech Massacre...
please, how hard is it to hit people in a classroom 5 20 feet away, who are probably trying to hide behind desks and in the corner of the room...fish in a barrel

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