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Building 7, The Smoking Gun of 911

 
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The real disinfo, fake false miss-direction is crap like this. Keep up the controlled demolition and all the other fanciful garbage and the real evil deeds, if there actually were any, will never be uncovered. Because they are much more boring, things like who in some agency had some prior good intel, sent that up the chain, and it got lost or ignored or conveniently wasn't reviewed in time and boring crap like that or that maybe there was a protocol in place that made little things like that happen.
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The real disinfo, fake false miss-direction is crap like this. Keep up the controlled demolition and all the other fanciful garbage and the real evil deeds, if there actually were any, will never be uncovered. Because they are much more boring, things like who in some agency had some prior good intel, sent that up the chain, and it got lost or ignored or conveniently wasn't reviewed in time and boring crap like that or that maybe there was a protocol in place that made little things like that happen.
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No SHR, this is important precisely because it is a smoking gun and impossible to counter. But you are correct to note that other aspects of the conspiracy are also important. If I were you, with your obvious concerns in this matter, I would marshal my evidence and post a new thread.
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No SHR, this is important precisely because it is a smoking gun and impossible to counter.
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I must have missed that part.

rolleyes
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No SHR, this is important precisely because it is a smoking gun and impossible to counter.

I must have missed that part.

rolleyes
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If you missed “that part” then I suggest that you read or re-read the contents of this post then counter it. I would really like to see it.
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Bump to keep this up top where it belongs.
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Bump to keep this up top where it belongs.
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No SHR, this is important precisely because it is a smoking gun and impossible to counter.

I must have missed that part.

rolleyes
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Wow, unbelievable.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
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If you missed “that part” then I suggest that you read or re-read the contents of this post then counter it. I would really like to see it.
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Nope.

Sorry.

Nothing in this post can be remotely construed as a 'smoking gun'.
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Wow, unbelievable.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
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A agree.

You really should stop refusing to see.
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No SHR, this is important precisely because it is a smoking gun and impossible to counter.

I must have missed that part.

rolleyes

If you missed “that part” then I suggest that you read or re-read the contents of this post then counter it. I would really like to see it.
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No SHR, this is important precisely because it is a smoking gun and impossible to counter.

I must have missed that part.

rolleyes

If you missed “that part” then I suggest that you read or re-read the contents of this post then counter it. I would really like to see it.

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You're stuttering again.

There is nothing to counter.
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You're stuttering again.

There is nothing to counter.
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Wow, that is some deep analysis. I just embarrassed myself by responding to it.
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Building 7 was removed becuase it had a lot of DAMAGE after the 2 towers fell... it was CONTROLLED... and I remember living in NY that they had to take it down becuase it was a DANGER to the area.... much of the bottom structre was saken.


How quickly you guys forget what happened on that day.

WAKE UP and stop the CRAZINESS.

As the North Tower collapsed, debris hit 7 WTC "with the force of a volcanic eruption."[16] Much of the bottom 10 stories of the building's south face were destroyed, with damage visible as high as the 18th floor. A massive fire burned into the afternoon on the 11th and 12th floors of 7 World Trade Center, with flames visible on the east side of the building.[17][18] Around 2 o'clock in the afternoon, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center, between the 10 and 13th floors, which was a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[19] During the afternoon, FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro made the decision to halt rescue operations, surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area, out of concerns for the safety of personnel.[20] At 5:20 p.m. EDT on September 11, 2001, 7 World Trade Center collapsed. It had been evacuated and there were no casualties associated with the collapse of 7 WTC.

In May 2002, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) issued a report on the collapse, based on a preliminary investigation conducted jointly with the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers, under leadership of Dr. W. Gene Corley, P.E.[5] FEMA made preliminary findings that the collapse was primarily caused by fires on multiple stories (which were started by debris from the other two towers), and not by the actual impact damage from the collapse of 1 WTC and 2 WTC. The report noted that, before this collapse, there had been little, if any, record of the fire-induced collapse of a large fire-protected steel building, such as 7 WTC.

The report did not reach final conclusions about the cause of the collapse, but listed several issues requiring further investigation. FEMA made these findings:

Loss of structural integrity was likely a result of weakening caused by fires on the 5th to 7th floors. The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyzes are needed to resolve this issue. [Ch. 5, p. 31.]
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Italian Documentary leaves no doubt that building 7 was a controlled demolition. Near the end of the 10 min. video you can hear the charges going off.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Italian Documentary leaves no doubt that building 7 was a controlled demolition. Near the end of the 10 min. video you can hear the charges going off.

[link to www.youtube.com]

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Still waiting for that 'smoking gun'.
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The real disinfo, fake false miss-direction is crap like this. Keep up the controlled demolition and all the other fanciful garbage and the real evil deeds, if there actually were any, will never be uncovered. Because they are much more boring, things like who in some agency had some prior good intel, sent that up the chain, and it got lost or ignored or conveniently wasn't reviewed in time and boring crap like that or that maybe there was a protocol in place that made little things like that happen.

No SHR, this is important precisely because it is a smoking gun and impossible to counter. But you are correct to note that other aspects of the conspiracy are also important. If I were you, with your obvious concerns in this matter, I would marshal my evidence and post a new thread.
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It has been countered a bazillion times, by real engineers and experts etc etc ad nausium. Here's the thing about what I think may actualy might have happened, it's internal, to our gov't, and anyone that actualy may know a little thing here or suspect a little thing there, and might consider coming foward with it, the way real conspiracies are uncovered, but by teeny bit and put together like an enourmous jigsaw puzzle, is hesitant to say shit because they are well aware that a huge crew of loony loose change nuts (you guys) will desend like a jabbering circus. Desending well armed with all the inviso planes and destructer beams and planted explosives BS and pretty much turn any real possible lead into circ le fiasco' and yes because WTC7 fell due to catastrophic failure cause by massive structural and internal damage by fire and the collapse of WTC1 it's no more or less a false lead than all the other micronuke EQ machine missile pod theories that also never happened.

Keeping up pressure to find answers to the many unanswered qustions involes real people operating in the real world to do make it happen, leave the un-real behind and accept a few things as reality and that might actualy happen one day.
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The real disinfo, fake false miss-direction is crap like this. Keep up the controlled demolition and all the other fanciful garbage and the real evil deeds, if there actually were any, will never be uncovered. Because they are much more boring, things like who in some agency had some prior good intel, sent that up the chain, and it got lost or ignored or conveniently wasn't reviewed in time and boring crap like that or that maybe there was a protocol in place that made little things like that happen.

No SHR, this is important precisely because it is a smoking gun and impossible to counter. But you are correct to note that other aspects of the conspiracy are also important. If I were you, with your obvious concerns in this matter, I would marshal my evidence and post a new thread.

It has been countered a bazillion times, by real engineers and experts etc etc ad nausium. Here's the thing about what I think may actualy might have happened, it's internal, to our gov't, and anyone that actualy may know a little thing here or suspect a little thing there, and might consider coming foward with it, the way real conspiracies are uncovered, but by teeny bit and put together like an enourmous jigsaw puzzle, is hesitant to say shit because they are well aware that a huge crew of loony loose change nuts (you guys) will desend like a jabbering circus. Desending well armed with all the inviso planes and destructer beams and planted explosives BS and pretty much turn any real possible lead into circ le fiasco' and yes because WTC7 fell due to catastrophic failure cause by massive structural and internal damage by fire and the collapse of WTC1 it's no more or less a false lead than all the other micronuke EQ machine missile pod theories that also never happened.

Keeping up pressure to find answers to the many unanswered qustions involes real people operating in the real world to do make it happen, leave the un-real behind and accept a few things as reality and that might actualy happen one day.
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WTC 7 is real evidence. You appear to forget that WTC 5 and 6 stood inbetween 1 2 and 7. 5 and 6 sustained far more than 7 and yet they remained standing. No building has ever turned to dust as the result of fire or minor structure damage. This is real evidence that would stand up in a court of law. Once you can prove that WTC 7 was a controlled demolition, it proves inside job. It does not prove who carried it out, but it does prove that Bin laden was not responsible. It was carried out by elements within the US goverment. Neocons of PANAC and Bushes administration are at the top of my list.
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And how on earth did the BBC end up reporting the collapse 50 minutes before it happened? And Silvermans statement, :just pull it….”. None of this has been addressed.
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and yes because WTC7 fell due to catastrophic failure cause by massive structural and internal damage by fire
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Is that why Larry Silverstein admitted on PBS that he ordered a demolition crew to "pull it" before he watched WTC7 fall?

How much evidence do you need, anyway? If a nationally-aired confession isn't good enough, I'd say you're hopeless.
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Keeping up pressure to find answers to the many unanswered qustions involes real people operating in the real world to do make it happen, leave the un-real behind and accept a few things as reality and that might actualy happen one day.
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SHR speaks the truth. And that doesn't happen often in these parts.
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Personally, I believe the smoking gun is the Pentagon. Speaking as a professional engineer, I would be willing to stake my license and career on my belief that no jet airliner (whose body is made mostly of aluminum) could penetrate thru six rings of very highly reinforced concrete with such a neatly bored hole. I don't care if the plane were going 1000mph (which it wasn't).

Unfortunately I am not a structural engineer, otherwise I'd have attempted the analysis long ago.

If there has been such an analysis performed by a licensed professional structural engineer, I would love to read it, and greatly appreciate someone passing along a link to it.

I constantly preach that we need to let the WTC go (temporarily) as it is a VERY complex engineering forensics problem. The Pentagon impact, by comparison, should be far easier to analyze with far less uncertainty.
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Keeping up pressure to find answers to the many unanswered qustions involes real people operating in the real world to do make it happen, leave the un-real behind and accept a few things as reality and that might actualy happen one day.


SHR speaks the truth. And that doesn't happen often in these parts.
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More like the Ministry of Truth.

Well, it's been almost six years now. I guess the "real" people in the "real" world aren't too interested in discovering answers.

BTW, I'm still waiting for the "real" people to figure out who killed JFK.
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Keeping up pressure to find answers to the many unanswered qustions involes real people operating in the real world to do make it happen, leave the un-real behind and accept a few things as reality and that might actualy happen one day.


SHR speaks the truth. And that doesn't happen often in these parts.
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BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaaaaaa.... uh, no.
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Well, it's been almost six years now. I guess the "real" people in the "real" world aren't too interested in discovering answers.

BTW, I'm still waiting for the "real" people to figure out who killed JFK.
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That's very true in my field. 9/11 forensic analysis is right up our alley, and I meet very few engineers with the balls to ever CONSIDER questioning the very real engineering anomalies of that fateful day... Many of them think I'm a whackjob for saying what I say... until they actually sit for 10 or 15 minutes and listen to what I have to say. By that point, they usually are coming around... but when all is said and done it just seems too "far fetched" for them to move outside the lines of their cubicles and take that leap to the possibility that the official story was a lie. Maybe it was, or maybe it wasn't... engineers are in the unique position of being able to literally disprove the official story with a sound, reasoned, professional analysis of the Pentagon as I said above... but for whatever reason (brainwashing from birth?) they can't seem to overcome the horrifying thought that our own people could have had a role in it. It is a horrifying thought... but one that we are all DUTY-BOUND to consider. To do anything less is to lock our prison cells and swallow the key. But that's basically where the engineering community is on this.

Here is the ASCE's abridged version of the report authored by a team of volunteers who analyzed the incident:
[link to www.pubs.asce.org]

And here is a very well thought-out analysis of THAT analysis:
[link to www.kolumbus.fi]

Conclusion: The ASCE report was fraught with logical inconsistancies and made assumptions that do not fit the evidence. But... you can obviously be the judge of that.

I want an independent analysis, not a "volunteer" team made of 3/6ths government employees, two principals in engineering firms (who have not performed true engineering work in probably 20 years minimum, trust me on this) and a professor (likewise, although I do not know his name or his age).
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Keeping up pressure to find answers to the many unanswered qustions involes real people operating in the real world to do make it happen, leave the un-real behind and accept a few things as reality and that might actualy happen one day.


SHR speaks the truth. And that doesn't happen often in these parts.
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SHR is a shill and everyone knows it.
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What's the problem with building 7:
It was dammage and pulled down as it was dangerous.
I knew this already on the night of 9/11?
It was said on the reuters news line.....
So where the problem?
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What's the problem with building 7:
It was dammage and pulled down as it was dangerous.
I knew this already on the night of 9/11?
It was said on the reuters news line.....
So where the problem?
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Building 7 came iploded exactly as a controlled demolition would. This means that explosives were used.

Here is the problem. It would take a week to wire it up, how did they achieve it in a few hours.

Second problem. Only a few demolition companys would have the ability to carry out this task. None have come forward to claim they did the job.

Third problem. There were news crews everywhere filming all around Manhatton. No one saw the trucks come in with the explosives or wireing and no one mentioned a word about the work crews who would have been required to wire it up.


My conclusion.. WTC 7 was wired prior to 911. Flight 93 was meant to take WTC 7 out but the remote control system failed.
They were then forced to implode it.. This was one of many fatal mistakes that were made on that day. If the media was not controlled the sheep would know that 911 was an inside job.





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