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Reincarnation, Karma & Suicide

 
a few questions...
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Reincarnation, Karma & Suicide
Is there anyone here who believes or knows a lot about reincarnation?

I was just wondering what happens if someone commits suicide? do they still reincarnate? and if they do then do they accumulate more negative karma points? and is there anyway to get rid of negative karma points and possibly gain postive ones instead?

Also, how does one stop reincarnating and what happens when they do?

p.s. just so you know i'm not about to jump off a bridge I'm just curious that's all.
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I do! I do! lol

There is no judjment when a person decides to take their own life. Most of the time when a person commits suicide, the lessons are for those left to deal with the pain. There are too many different circumstances to have one set standard. And no they do not accumulate more negative karma for choosing to do so. However, before you incarnated you set your life path and if you did not complete your lessons, you may decide to incarnate again to complete them.

You may decide at any point not to incarnate and that is your free will. There are many paths one can take for evolution of the soul and they do not have to all be learned on the Earth.

Hope this helps!

hf
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Suicide does not necesarily affect one's karma. It may simply allow someone to avoid horrible trauma to the psyche by ending intense physical suffering or ending a life that the person may deem an unbearable burden to loved ones. If progress is impeded by the inability to interact or give to society then that person will not suffer any backsliding in a karmic sense by ending a life they feel is not allowing progress or one that may cause that person to backslide spiritually. In fact it may help them to begin progress sooner and with less trauma to the psyche.

What is not going to help a person who contemplates ending their life is ending one's life before their spiritual lessons have been learned if they are still capable of learning or experiencing those things that they are meant to experience.

If a person is depressed this is merely a condition of the place that they find themselves in life. It is likely that they may be on the wrong track and in opposition to what they are meant to be accomplishing at the moment. The point is to find the path that they are meant to be on, and resume it. Serenity comes with right experiencing, even if it is something we can't foresee. We aren't in a position to know what our individual purposes here on Earth are in every instance. But as a whole we are here to experience life and bring ourselves back to balance and closer to our God however we express our perception of him/her.

To commit suicide prematurely, (so to speak), prolongs the situation and keeps them from experiencing further, and requires the person to "make up" that experience that they missed.

Fear is the worse condition to fall prey to. The fact is that fear is a construct that was designed to keep people from finishing their karmic lessons.

One must always consider the purpose of their decisions. Intent is everything. If one can truthfully say that their decision, whatever it may be is not based on fear then it is not going to hurt them in a karmic sense.

This includes the decision to commit suicide. Is it being considered to end suffering? or is it being considered because the future is frightening to the individual?
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It's funny. I'dbe willing to bet that Semjase has learned from different sources than I have but the fundamental truth is the same regardless of the path that one chose to come to the truth.

we have expressed the same basic understanding with very different words.

This itself is evidence of the common purpose that we all share here on earth.
Semjase

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139814 - Funny, I was reading your response and thinking the same thing. You were much more eloquent than me though! :)
"There's no greater thing you can do for the planet than to hold the energy of hope for your future, and project a divine light to dark places."
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Actually Semjase I have trouble expressing myself clearly to others most of the time and when it flows easily I know it's important.

Thanks though.

It can be said that your ease with language facilitates comunication for you.

You did express the same thing I did after all! hf
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suicide can effect Karma in different ways,if the ego uses karma to escape an unpleasantnesses of life then the consciousness must live another life to gain that experience missed when the ego chickened out.

If consciousness is advanced enough then suicide could be used to teach a lesson of impermanence to others or through an act of selfless sacrifice then the karma could be positive.

of course until you transcend the laws of karma .........
OR NOT
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Excellent! Well put Chopel!
Semjase

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Actually Semjase I have trouble expressing myself clearly to others most of the time and when it flows easily I know it's important.
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I do too and I know exactly what you mean! It's my belief that when it flows that freely that we are getting a little help.

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Oh yay!

There's no judgement when you take your own life!!!

cheer

Let's all kill ourselves so that we can teach those we leave behind a valuable lesson!!!?

Peace and love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@


jerkit


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Exactly Semjase!
What!

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There isn't reincarnation, more a continued incarnation. The soul never dies but keeps on experiencing new lives, new events. For the person who committed suicide, they will be received with love and honor. The only recriminations and guilt, perhaps, come from that person alone as he realizes that putting a premature end to his life created so much sorrow in those who loved him. He is not punished, merely loved by being who he came to be.
If at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure is more your style.
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People often mention karma "lections" but I don't believe this theory is correct.

Looka at the poor enslaved animals (pigs, chickens etc.) who are artificially FORCED into reincarnation in order to serve as simple freaking FOODSOURCE! What lesson will they learn from ETERNAL SUFFERING?
The distance between this example and our horrible situation is not so wide; we are genetically enslaved in order to be used for emitting emotional/psychic energies for other entities who enjoy this current arrangement of almost eternal torture and neverending wars; they channel into this reality that YOU MUST LEARN YOUR LESSONS as an eternal soul that always linked to the Source; realise the insane statement of "learning" which is a vicious LIE; David Icke calls it a Prisoner Consciousness; when you are still in this state then the self-appointed (false) light-masters force you into a neverending circle of reincaranation by working together with higher reptilian/negative entities receiving some powers from them for the souls they force them into 3D by manipulating our Prison Consciousness!
Think, if you have a well-working DNA spiral with superpower genes then who could force you back into Earthell; you could simple say NO; I'm sure the Creator would understand that! lol

Yes, many dicktators and other murderers deserve bad karma but many million decent souls are also caught in this darkness despite that they are really nice beings; they are still forced back into this hell because LACK OF STRONG SPIRITUAL INTEGRITY or HIGHER CONSCIOUSNESS; these are the very things we should work on in order to avoid reincarnation (at least on Earth were everything is poisoned) and became true galactic beings freely travelling around the universe and peacefully learning that can be learned.
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Well... How shall I start...

Indeed, there is no judgement,

However. if You jump of the building on the 10th floor, I wouldn't bet You will survive physically.

You need to be realistic (too in occult, trancendent of spiritual levels)

You can tell, well, I am God (or a part of it) anyway, so I can do this and that. Well actually......You can :-)). But You need to raise Your vibration in a very high level of Your Consciousness. Unfortionally most, do vibrate on those levels, You can not do those things You could do.

Most people, who are commiting suicide are sad. They have depression etc. Nothing will change, if they commit suicide. They think, well, I can escape. But they will find themselves in the lower regions of Existance. I call, the Land of Shadow.

On Earth, You can have sunshine on Your head. You can be sad, but there will be sunshine. In the Land of Shadow, there is no sunlight. It's like a dark-(grey) day. If they are very negative, it's night etc.

Sometimes (and most often in suicide), Your Higher Self decides, You need to understand, You can't quit life, Your path of lessons. In that case, You will stick to the body. You can walk in a small range, but You will sense somehow the process of the rotten of the body. Some would oppose, and tell: You are not connected to the body. No. But You connect by focus, emotions and identification to the body. Some people can not free themselves from the act, the sadness or their body.

So. If You are in healthy condition. And You escape Your path, Your lessons. Indeed, You will have unpleasant things to learn. Sometimes, they are very hard to learn. And 'time' seems endless in those regions. So You would hardly find motivation to raise Your vibration by You can enter the Heavens.

It's all about vibration. Do You have negative feelings. Sadness, hate. This lowers Your vibration. And You shall not be able to enter the Higher levels. However, in case You are in a lower region. Due to pain or negative emotions. You can raise Your vibration. By raising, You would see, the darkness will become gray, light-gray, white...finally You can enter the Heavens.

There ARE good harted people who have bad luck in the process of dying. And they enter the land of Shadow. But have help from the Guides and Angels to be happy, to release all negativity. They become happy. And the outside change. And if they work well, they enter the Heavens.

If some people do plan to escape by suicide. Don't do it. Most people don't have that level of vibration to escape from the hard lessons, You will receive. Some people do think, well, I have a high vibrational level. But You can't trick Your own Higher Self with Your lower ego.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
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Oh yay!

There's no judgement when you take your own life!!!

cheer

Let's all kill ourselves so that we can teach those we leave behind a valuable lesson!!!?

Peace and love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@


jerkit


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 Quoting: Mister Obvious


Unbelievable...
Semjase

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Oh yay!
There's no judgement when you take your own life!!!
cheer
Let's all kill ourselves so that we can teach those we leave behind a valuable lesson!!!?
Peace and love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@
jerkit
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 Quoting: Mister Obvious



Hee Hee MO! You make me laugh. How's Kevy?

I know that it is not easy to believe that there is no judgement but I am not advocating that anyone kill themself either. I'm sorry it sounded that way.
"There's no greater thing you can do for the planet than to hold the energy of hope for your future, and project a divine light to dark places."
What!

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Oh yay!

There's no judgement when you take your own life!!!

cheer

Let's all kill ourselves so that we can teach those we leave behind a valuable lesson!!!?

Peace and love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@


jerkit


:parachuteb:
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


Mrs Obvious, not like you to be so cynical. Are you just in a bad mood today? hf
If at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure is more your style.
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Is there anyone here who believes or knows a lot about reincarnation?
 Quoting: a few questions... 99906


Anyone stating they 'know' anything about reincarnation is lying. It is ALL 100% belief. In that case simply choose what you wish to believe, its all bunkem anyway.
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What! I do agree with your observation on the condition of the soul, but the word reincarnation, simply means literally that the everlasting soul is given the new body for use in further experiencing here on Earth.

For those who understand reincarnation, I believe that most if not all realize this.

It's just a matter of word choice.

Reincarnation is just a part of karmic experiencing, which continues even between incarnations.

It is the karmic experience that is important to understanding more so than the reincarnation which is necessitated by our condition on Earth at this point.
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There isn't reincarnation, more a continued incarnation. The soul never dies but keeps on experiencing new lives, new events. For the person who committed suicide, they will be received with love and honor. The only recriminations and guilt, perhaps, come from that person alone as he realizes that putting a premature end to his life created so much sorrow in those who loved him. He is not punished, merely loved by being who he came to be.
 Quoting: What!


What! said it much more clear here.
"There's no greater thing you can do for the planet than to hold the energy of hope for your future, and project a divine light to dark places."
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Mrs Obvious, not like you to be so cynical.
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laugh



So I guess when a murderer dies, they're received with a warm welcome too, eh?



Awww. That's sweet.
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Suicide will cause a soul to reincarnate and come back to face a similar set of circumstances. It may be even harder the next time. Difficult times in life can help to strengthen soul. Suicide will not.

Suicide is not an answer. Its just a detour that will bring you right back to face life again.
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Anyone stating they 'know' anything about reincarnation is lying. It is ALL 100% belief. In that case simply choose what you wish to believe, its all bunkem anyway.
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Anyone stating they 'know' what another person has experienced and has found proven by him(her)self. And think (s)he can make a judgement is hardly objective. Maybe YOU didn't find a prouve or a valid answer to Your deepest question. Some people do have answers beyond the belief system. It's up to You to have the guts to look for those proofs and answers. But You can not make judgement, based on Your experience and Your level of understanding and Insight in life.

You can believe or deny. but it will not change what IS. You will see if You pass the border of physical life...

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
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Suicide is plain wrong.

There is nothing gained through suicide.

Only life is lost.
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"So I guess when a murderer dies, they're received with a warm welcome too, eh?"

Mr. Obvious, you have a big surprise coming. LOL!

There is a reason that we're not supposed to judge others.

Yeah it can be hard. I've got a long way to go in that department myself.

But if you can't understand something, then you're not doing yourself any favors in deriding it out of hand.

Jesus himself touched on the existence of reincarnation. It's just one small place in the bible. Easily overseen. I can't even remember where it is myself. But it appears to have been overlooked by the council of Nicea when they expundged and rewrote the spiritual teachings of their time, and called it the bible.

I'm not the first to have recognized this and I won't be the last.
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Mrs Obvious, not like you to be so cynical.
laugh

So I guess when a murderer dies, they're received with a warm welcome too, eh?

Awww. That's sweet.
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yes, but they will also have to be karmically balanced if they want to progress spiritually, and to do that they would have to play the opposite role in the next incarnation.
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Mr. Obvious, you have a big surprise coming. LOL!
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Back atchya...

ohyeah
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So I guess when a murderer dies, they're received with a warm welcome too, eh?

Awww. That's sweet.
 Quoting: Mister Obvious

death or creator doesn't recognize any ideology
the whole experience,this great drama we call life fulfills its own design and we are only players that upon arrival at the moment of death have unbeknowst to the individual agreed to the means by which we pass.
creator loves us all,without judgement
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Mister Obvious. I do hope that you've read further than that line on my post.

I certainly meant you no spite or ill will with that remark. In fact I know that your experience in between incarnations will be more pleasant than you can imagine.

Please read the rest of my post.
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Mister Obvious. I do hope that you've read further than that line on my post.

I certainly meant you no spite or ill will with that remark. In fact I know that your experience in between incarnations will be more pleasant than you can imagine.

Please read the rest of my post.
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I did.


And what I posted above is all I have to say to you.