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Apollo 20 - secret mission ?
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DrPostman  
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5/10/2007 1:44 AM
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oh Canberra bomber.the last photo is me and a mate outside baxter detention centre. Quoting: boris 234356
Yea, saw that. Thanks. In those colors it must have been
part of a demonstration team.
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boris
User ID: 234356
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5/10/2007 1:47 AM | |
boris
User ID: 234356
Australia
5/10/2007 1:48 AM | | Re: Apollo 20 - secret mission ? | Quote |
oh Canberra bomber.the last photo is me and a mate outside baxter detention centre.
Yea, saw that. Thanks. In those colors it must have been
part of a demonstration team. Quoting: DrPostman
thats not the canberra bomer, that was across the street. They were all test aircraft hence the bright colours. |
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The Commentator
User ID: 204909
United States
5/10/2007 2:46 AM
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In other words, Boris, you still can't support the claim of a manned lunar mission using a Saturn V booster launching from Australia.
Oh yes, where is the liquid Oxygen production facility? Where is the liquid Hydrogen facility?
There is a LOT more to launching a Saturn V than just the booster.
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The Commentator
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5/10/2007 3:03 AM
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Learn a little more about the Woomera Range: [link to www.astronautix.com]
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boris
User ID: 234356
Australia
5/10/2007 3:12 AM | | Re: Apollo 20 - secret mission ? | Quote |
[ link to www.frogandtoad.com.au]
"the township has only been open to the public since 1982"
Security is still a bit tight and NASA left there 1972.
I never said they whet to the moon from there either, i just said they could launch rockets to space without people seeing them.
but to quote u
"That alone blows the mythical lunar mission from Australia into a cocked hat.
You see, the basic physics say that the payload to orbit is profoundly sensitive to the launch latitude. The Saturn V was designed to be launched from a point no further than 28.5 degrees north or south of the equator. Woomera, being at 31 degrees south means that even the saturn V would not have the delta v to do a lunar mission with an Apollo spacecraft.
Mass constraints on the later Apollo missions were so tight that even such things as the number of bandages ib the medical kit was a factor.
This is basic astrodynamics, but the bunkers, not being terribly aware of astrodynamics, ignore physics to try to make a good myth.
So, by another line of reasoning, this mission is bogus, utter bunk, a hoax. And not even a very good hoax at that"
Do you know believe it was possible to launch from woomera?
or are you going to have another rant at me?
note
"I never said they whet to the moon from there either, i just said they could launch rockets to space without people seeing them."
you should read more..... |
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boris
User ID: 234356
Australia
5/10/2007 3:18 AM | | Re: Apollo 20 - secret mission ? | Quote |
Funny they dont even mention the Nuclear tests done there.
but u have all the answers and seem to know everything.
Wonder why it was in the top ten USSR targets, i wonder why it was only open to the pubic (the township that is)from 1982.
Have you looked at the whole thread?
But i guess seeing as you still cant go on the range yet they have told the public everything that happened there.
Guessing you also know of everything that was every tested at Area 51 too.
Guessing you judge a book by its cover and the government never lies too.
But hey i bet you didnt even know about Woomera until today. |
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The Commentator
User ID: 204909
United States
5/10/2007 3:19 AM
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Which is utterly unimportant from the topic of the discussion, a mythical Apollo manned lunar landing.
If you can't support the vehicle, you can't launch it.
Pure and simple.
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boris
User ID: 234356
Australia
5/10/2007 3:20 AM | |
boris
User ID: 234356
Australia
5/10/2007 3:22 AM | | Re: Apollo 20 - secret mission ? | Quote |
just a quick note, i not saying i believe all this stuff about the Apollo 20 mission. I am just saying they could launch a rocket into space without anyone seeing it. Quoting: boris 234356
i quote myself from page 2 |
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boris
User ID: 234356
Australia
5/10/2007 3:24 AM | | Re: Apollo 20 - secret mission ? | Quote |
so did you know of Woomera before today? |
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The Commentator
User ID: 204909
United States
5/10/2007 3:29 AM
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Yes, quite a bit actually. Sadly the British space program, once full of hope did a few launches from Woomera, but sadly never really caught the governmental or public imagination. The British Interplanetary Society did a very good book on the place a few years ago,
In addition the US had a tracking station there for both Apollo and deep space work, and of course the NSA station at Pine Gap is not far away.
I have been wirking the space game as an engineer for my entire adult life. Woomera was well known to US space professionals since the 1950s.
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boris
User ID: 234356
Australia
5/10/2007 3:37 AM | |
boris
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5/10/2007 3:39 AM | |
The Commentator
User ID: 204909
United States
5/10/2007 3:43 AM
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Can't be too big a secret, you know about it, and one of the links I gave you listed all the launches.
Forgot to tell you, or you didn't bother to look?
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boris
User ID: 234356
Australia
5/10/2007 3:52 AM | | Re: Apollo 20 - secret mission ? | Quote |
Can't be too big a secret, you know about it, and one of the links I gave you listed all the launches.
Forgot to tell you, or you didn't bother to look? Quoting: The Commentator
you list was a bit shorter that one i just gave above.
Its not like it brought down the Australia government.....
[link to www.newdawnmagazine.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 234356
Australia
5/10/2007 3:58 AM | | Re: Apollo 20 - secret mission ? | Quote |
31 degrees South, huh?
That alone blows the mythical lunar mission from Australia into a cocked hat.
You see, the basic physics say that the payload to orbit is profoundly sensitive to the launch latitude. The Saturn V was designed to be launched from a point no further than 28.5 degrees north or south of the equator. Woomera, being at 31 degrees south means that even the saturn V would not have the delta v to do a lunar mission with an Apollo spacecraft.
Mass constraints on the later Apollo missions were so tight that even such things as the number of bandages ib the medical kit was a factor.
This is basic astrodynamics, but the bunkers, not being terribly aware of astrodynamics, ignore physics to try to make a good myth.
So, by another line of reasoning, this mission is bogus, utter bunk, a hoax. And not even a very good hoax at that. Quoting: The Commentator
do you still stand by this i.e too far south. Because as you said you have known about it since the 50's but as pointed out by me it is well in you 28.5 degrees south range. |
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The Commentator
User ID: 204909
United States
5/10/2007 3:59 AM
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No, obviously did not bring down the government.
But I have to ask, what is the point of that link? It really doesn't seem connected to the topic at hand.
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boris
User ID: 234356
Australia
5/10/2007 4:04 AM | | Re: Apollo 20 - secret mission ? | Quote |
No, obviously did not bring down the government.
But I have to ask, what is the point of that link? It really doesn't seem connected to the topic at hand. Quoting: The Commentator
it did bring down the government, 2 infact.Whitlam and Harold E. Holt. Harold disappeared but they named a base after him. Have you heard of it?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org] |
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The Commentator
User ID: 204909
United States
5/10/2007 4:05 AM
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That base is new to me, but what is the connection between it and launching Saturn boosters on manned Apollo missions?
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boris
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5/10/2007 4:06 AM | |
The Commentator
User ID: 204909
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5/10/2007 4:07 AM
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The point being?
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 234356
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5/10/2007 4:08 AM | | Re: Apollo 20 - secret mission ? | Quote |
That base is new to me, but what is the connection between it and launching Saturn boosters on manned Apollo missions? Quoting: The Commentator
the link? Lots of things can happen and are happening without everyone in the world knowing about it.Therefore missions to space could have been launched without people seeing them. |
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The Commentator
User ID: 204909
United States
5/10/2007 4:09 AM
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Pedrhaps this will explain why you are posting such off topic stuff [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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The Commentator
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5/10/2007 4:15 AM
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That base is new to me, but what is the connection between it and launching Saturn boosters on manned Apollo missions?
the link? Lots of things can happen and are happening without everyone in the world knowing about it.Therefore missions to space could have been launched without people seeing them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 234356
Except no one has shown 1) the launch pad for a saturn V, 2) the VAB needed to assemble it, 3) the liguid hydrogen facility for fueling, 4) the liquid oxygen plant and finally, 5) the fact a Saturn V could not do a lunar mission when launched from that latitude.
Other than those small details....
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boris
User ID: 234356
Australia
5/10/2007 4:15 AM | | Re: Apollo 20 - secret mission ? | Quote |
The point being? Quoting: The Commentator
just replying to your statement that it wouldn't brought down the government.
Read down to his disappearance. |
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boris
User ID: 234356
Australia
5/10/2007 4:21 AM | | Re: Apollo 20 - secret mission ? | Quote |
That base is new to me, but what is the connection between it and launching Saturn boosters on manned Apollo missions?
the link? Lots of things can happen and are happening without everyone in the world knowing about it.Therefore missions to space could have been launched without people seeing them.
Except no one has shown 1) the launch pad for a saturn V, 2) the VAB needed to assemble it, 3) the liguid hydrogen facility for fueling, 4) the liquid oxygen plant and finally, 5) the fact a Saturn V could not do a lunar mission when launched from that latitude.
Other than those small details.... Quoting: The Commentator
funny i thought we had covered the latitude point.
The link to the launch pad i gave early was with in your range.Not sure about the rest but NASA finished there in 1972, thats 35 years ago.
[link to pargoo.customer.netspace.net.au]
i know this photo is not a saturn rocket but what are the two big tube like things to the left of the launch pad?
could they be storage tanks brought up to fuel the rocket in the photo? |
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The Commentator
User ID: 204909
United States
5/10/2007 4:23 AM
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So?
Perhaps this will explain your disconnected ideas and pointless links [link to www.youtube.com]
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boris
User ID: 234356
Australia
5/10/2007 4:25 AM | | Re: Apollo 20 - secret mission ? | Quote |
thats my fav beer!!! Thanks and i love there ads
brew here in Australia |
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boris
User ID: 234356
Australia
5/10/2007 4:29 AM | |
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