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malu
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PITTSBURGH -- After six people were shot in the city's Homewood neighborhood in less than 24 hours, Pittsburgh police rolled in with a 20-ton armored truck with a blast-resistant body, armored rotating roof hatch and gunports.

No guns or drugs were seized and no arrests made during the sweep in the $250,000 armored vehicle, paid for with Homeland Security money. But the show of force sent a message.

Whether it was the right message is a matter of debate.

With scores of police agencies large and small, from Lexington, Ky., to Austin, Texas, buying armored vehicles at Homeland Security expense, some criminal justice experts warn that their use in fighting everyday crime could do more harm than good and represents a post-9/11, militaristic turn away from the more cooperative community-policing approach promoted in the 1990s.

When the armored truck moved through the Homewood neighborhood late last year, residents came out of their homes to take a look. Some were offended.

"This is really the containment of crime, not the elimination, because to eliminate it you have to address some of the social problems," complained Rashad Byrdsong, a community activist.

Law enforcement agencies say the growing use of the vehicles, a practice that also has its defenders in the academic field of criminal justice, helps ensure police have the tools they need to deal with hostage situations, heavy gunfire and acts of terrorism.

But police are also putting the equipment to more routine use, such as the delivering to warrants to suspects believed to be armed.



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Not long to go until we see this then.

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This is merely NWO militarization of domestic law enforcement....Jones, Cuppett,Koernke all said this was coming..Its a conditioning tool to get people used to seeing paramilitary/military personnel on American streets...You know the rest ....
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05/08/2007 10:31 PM
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oh yeah, i know the drill, this is nothing new, but i thought it was worth repeating, since they obviously did too! assholes
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"a 20-ton armored truck with a blast-resistant body, armored rotating roof hatch and gunports."

Seems like overkill to use on your own citizens,...wouldn't you say malu?



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It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it.

--- AUNG SAN SUU KYI, Freedom from Fear
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shock and awe, hence the birth of the swat teams, overwhelm with superior force and tactics, especially on the tax payer dime

to me, this is a sign that the gov is getting scared, really scared

if the masses realize they are the overwhelming force, the party is over
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"a 20-ton armored truck with a blast-resistant body, armored rotating roof hatch and gunports."

Seems like overkill to use on your own citizens,...wouldn't you say malu?



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Dumb-shit- overkill? Maybe, maybe not- but six shootings in that neighborhood in Pittsburgh is alot. maybe there was a gang war going on- how would you handle that? Maybe those poor people that live there should help the police rid their neighborhoods of the criminals instead of complaining about social injustice.
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"a 20-ton armored truck with a blast-resistant body, armored rotating roof hatch and gunports."

Seems like overkill to use on your own citizens,...wouldn't you say malu?



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Dumb-shit- overkill? Maybe, maybe not- but six shootings in that neighborhood in Pittsburgh is alot. maybe there was a gang war going on- how would you handle that? Maybe those poor people that live there should help the police rid their neighborhoods of the criminals instead of complaining about social injustice.
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that is but a symptom of much larger social issues, so where do you draw the line now? is this the way we want to live? there is a lot more to it than what meets the eye
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that is but a symptom of much larger social issues, so where do you draw the line now? is this the way we want to live? there is a lot more to it than what meets the eye

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Clearly.




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"a 20-ton armored truck with a blast-resistant body, armored rotating roof hatch and gunports."

Seems like overkill to use on your own citizens,...wouldn't you say malu?



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Dumb-shit- overkill? Maybe, maybe not- but six shootings in that neighborhood in Pittsburgh is alot. maybe there was a gang war going on- how would you handle that? Maybe those poor people that live there should help the police rid their neighborhoods of the criminals instead of complaining about social injustice.
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oh lets not forget , there have been incidents in the past of multiple shootings and the cops didnt have armored personnel carriers...maybe cops these days need APC's cause they are just big fuckin pussy's with a badge and a gun..Used to be , a cop pulled over a DUI , it was just one cop , now they call for backup and then you got 4-5 cops on the scene for a DUI .. Yep,,,think they gone pussified...
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yes like the incident recently at university, and the cops hid behind trees and let a lone nut kill how many students?

at least that is the accepted story, except for the cops, that is on video
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I'm waiting for the M1 Abrams with LAPD on the side.
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yes like the incident recently at university, and the cops hid behind trees and let a lone nut kill how many students?

at least that is the accepted story, except for the cops, that is on video
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Malu--what the fuck did you want to happen? The cops didn't know who or what was going on in that University. They had no idea how many gunmen there were. You do know that the size of VT is like the size of a fucking city right? 25,000 students. What the fuck do you want the cops to be- psychic?

And maybe, just maybe, the cops wouldn't have to go to such extremes with their vehicles and such if the citizens of this country weren't such shitbags shooting each other every fucking day.
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Face it ..the police have a bad name now with the average person..they worked hard to get there...corruption runs rampant in their ranks and we the taxpayers are paying for it..i believe its time for a new type of citizenry protectorate..the police force is a no go anymore...they protected their own rights into oblivion so now the citizens dont trust them or really even want them around..non the less pay their salaires...time for a change ..
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..they protected their own right into oblivion so now the citizens dont trust them or really even want them around..non the less pay their salaires...time for a change ..
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Agreed.
Yes it's safe, it's very safe, it's so safe you wouldn't believe it....
... No, it's not safe, it's very dangerous. Be Careful.
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Fact: Police in general and police swat teams suck at combat. Attacking them from OUTSIDE of the place where they are attacking is a good way to get them.
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Bullshit. The same could be said for teachers. Let's see-how many stories do we have to hear every week about another teacher having sex with a student? Hmm...corruption runs rampant in those ranks and none of us should send our kids to school.

That would be ridiculous right? Because we can't hold ALL teachers responsible for what some did. Same goes for cops.
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And what change would that be Chosen1? What would you do if given the chance to make change?
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I would have the citizens hire a lobbyist to inform the government that a new type of Citizen Protectorate should be formed.
Displeasure with the police has grown 10 fold in the last 4 years or so..stricter guidelines should be put in place when hiring for the police force and regular investigations of thier higher ups should be made mandatory if they wanna continue being a logical alternative for protection.
I believe there motto used to be "To protect and Serve" wasnt it?
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Since you think the cops are so shitty, what makes you think that any form of policing that we put into place will be any better? Everyone gets power drunk.
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i think the answer to both of your questions would be trained and armed citizens, especially at the university, but it is proven fact that areas of heavy concentration of legally owned and carried guns have just about zero crime

Vermont, well, if i was a cop, with body armor on, sitting outside the classroom, i would have recognized that it was a pistol caliber being used, and i would have risked my fucking life to get in their and save some people , and kill a madman if at all possible

yes, it is the size of a city, but i saw plenty of video of lots of cops outside the classroom hiding behind trees,, now that is BULLSHIT!
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i think the answer to both of your questions would be trained and armed citizens, especially at the university, but it is proven fact that areas of heavy concentration of legally owned and carried guns have just about zero crime

Vermont, well, if i was a cop, with body armor on, sitting outside the classroom, i would have recognized that it was a pistol caliber being used, and i would have risked my fucking life to get in their and save some people , and kill a madman if at all possible

yes, it is the size of a city, but i saw plenty of video of lots of cops outside the classroom hiding behind trees,, now that is BULLSHIT!
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You are the biggest bullshitter on this fucking board. You talk like you're all badass and shit but this is the fucking internet and in reality you are a scared shitless pussy. If you were one of those cops at VT you would have done the exact same thing, because that is what you are trained to do. You don't run into a building blind to the fact of how many people are in there shooting. That is just stupid. It was said that Cho put 3 bullets into each person. Which means a hell of alot of bullets were flying around. Yeah....you'd run in there. BULLSHIT.
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And it was Virginia not Vermont.
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yes like the incident recently at university, and the cops hid behind trees and let a lone nut kill how many students?

at least that is the accepted story, except for the cops, that is on video


Malu--what the fuck did you want to happen? The cops didn't know who or what was going on in that University. They had no idea how many gunmen there were. You do know that the size of VT is like the size of a fucking city right? 25,000 students. What the fuck do you want the cops to be- psychic?

And maybe, just maybe, the cops wouldn't have to go to such extremes with their vehicles and such if the citizens of this country weren't such shitbags shooting each other every fucking day.
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Well first of all the cops are supposed to be trained to handle such situations, clearing buildings and saving innocent lives, second that is their job, they applied for it, get paid for it and train for it, no one forced them into it. If your afraid to do the job get another one , don’t be a pussy and hide behind trees while those you are being paid to serve and protect are being murdered, grow some fucking balls.
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So as the police are coming in, they can get picked off one by one? How the fuck would that help? Think you idiot.
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So as the police are coming in, they can get picked off one by one? How the fuck would that help? Think you idiot.
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Well if you are stupid enough to walk in a line one after another it would help clean the gene pool, but as your reading comprehension is obviously lacking, I said: the police are trained for such situations, now I will spell it out for you: they are trained in the proper procedures for entering and clearing such buildings with armed gunmen inside.
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So as the police are coming in, they can get picked off one by one? How the fuck would that help? Think you idiot.



Well if you are stupid enough to walk in a line one after another it would help clean the gene pool, but as your reading comprehension is obviously lacking, I said: the police are trained for such situations, now I will spell it out for you: they are trained in the proper procedures for entering and clearing such buildings with armed gunmen inside.
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How is your reading comprehension, you stupid fuck?

By the end of this second attack lasting nine minutes, Cho had fired about 170 rounds, killing 30 people and wounding many more, and still had ammunition when he killed himself. It took police nearly five minutes to gain entry to the barricaded building. When they could not break the chains, an officer shot out a dead-bolt lock leading to a stairwell. As police reached the second floor, they heard Cho fire his final shot. Cho was found dead in Jocelyne Couture-Nowak's classroom, Room 211, from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the temple.
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Well, this is the very same fascist-Natzi model that we have seen Amerika installing in SA and Latin Amer since the 70's. Using the military,national guards and police...and lets not forget all the DEATH SQUADS for moonlighting.
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It is recommended you behave yourselves and keep a respectful distance, no closer than The Perimeter of 5m permits.

Remember your roots and which class you come from, and whose interests you represent, therefore.

This is under The Tengu. You don't want to. You know this. Why then do you pretend, do you think it makes you look brave or that you accomplish something that way? It just makes you look like a traitor to your own kind and roots, and that is ugly - and can get ugly. We don't recommend such a course on your parts, even as pretence.

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i think the answer to both of your questions would be trained and armed citizens, especially at the university, but it is proven fact that areas of heavy concentration of legally owned and carried guns have just about zero crime

Vermont, well, if i was a cop, with body armor on, sitting outside the classroom, i would have recognized that it was a pistol caliber being used, and i would have risked my fucking life to get in their and save some people , and kill a madman if at all possible

yes, it is the size of a city, but i saw plenty of video of lots of cops outside the classroom hiding behind trees,, now that is BULLSHIT!


You are the biggest bullshitter on this fucking board. You talk like you're all badass and shit but this is the fucking internet and in reality you are a scared shitless pussy. If you were one of those cops at VT you would have done the exact same thing, because that is what you are trained to do. You don't run into a building blind to the fact of how many people are in there shooting. That is just stupid. It was said that Cho put 3 bullets into each person. Which means a hell of alot of bullets were flying around. Yeah....you'd run in there. BULLSHIT.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 234165



trained to stand around with my head up my ass? no, that would be a skill you are born with, like yourself! ass
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