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535 The definitive thread.

 
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535 The definitive thread.
Well, as definitive as I can make it seeing as some old threads are no longer in the database. I`d appreciate it if others could add any older material (Pre September 2005) to this thread. 535 stated on 1/10/2006 in a thread titled 535 that, “I have decided to return for a bit. I will begin answering questions and giving information soon, if there is still interest.” But for some reason he didn`t answer any questions. It wasn`t until 6/24/2006 that 535 started again with the words, “You may begin. I do not have much time.”

535 on himself.

I have already listed my "motivations" for posting.

I am doing the right thing. Conscience is a tricky master. I do take the moral high-ground.

Why do I post here? Valid question. GLP (quite a while back) was one of my assignments. I have a soft spot for those who post here (in particular, Rudy M.) and their brand of thinking. Additionally, posts are occasionally thrown out into the GLP ether simply to garner potential reactions. Information. Perception manipulation. Responses, from time to time, make excellent reports. Many of you may have noticed some psychological questioning. This has great value to us on the occasion that an honest response is given.

Maybe in the end, depending on the post, it is a little of each of the things you have listed -- but there is ALWAYS truth to it. I enjoy GLP too much not to give the community at least that little bit of honor and respect.

What you find unsettling, I find easy. Easy in the sense that: If we do nothing, billions die. Simple. If we take action and SELECT populations, a few more million will live. That is the nature of the reality I live in. That is the cold, calculating logic of life and death. It is fortunate for the species that there are men such as myself willing to risk it ALL for the sake of survival -- and I do not mean my own -- but rather of OTHERS.

Difficult decisions based on harsh realities result in cold solutions. There is no other way. I am sorry.

As an aside, regarding the "missile base" incident. The young man in question understood his mistake. Certain jobs in this life reward quiet, and punish noise. He intelligently chose the quiet route. He is to be commended, and will be.

I will go back to my normal "job". I am sure you will see me (or another ´535´) here on GLP. You will not even recognize "my" posts as "me". It has been somewhat liberating for the short term, but the party is over. I think that another has already started. Maybe I´ll pop back in from time to time as ME (MY 535, rather than another´s...)

I am a bit concerned, but since I am ‘the boss’, I think I will be OK as long as I do not post too much here.

I am unconcerned in regards to a "trace" simply because of my position.

No. I do not require a "boss". I AM the boss. Such is the nature of reality.

You have made a nice catch in allowing me to become somewhat attached to individuals here and due to the relative obscurity of the site, feel mildly safe. That is not an easy thing to do.

I have (and hopefully, will continue) enjoyed it.

Capt. Dan, “I was wondering what age group you are in? Do you have any children? What (generally) are their ages?”

I am in my mid 40’s. I have children. They are teens. They can run long distances, fight in various disciplines, have advanced computer and mathematics skills, have advanced training in survival, and are excellent combat marksmen. Dad wants to give them all the tools possible that no one can take away, even if our plan fails. That is why I would suggest that self-sufficiency is a non-issue with us. Everything is a test. Think about that. That is how I want my children to be, even if they become nuclear engineers that never have to use all of those other skills. The best laid plans of men and mice, so to speak…

I was in my mid 30’s when promoted and briefed. I got sick in an office wastebasket when I found out. My family has no idea.

A general description of what I do now is "social-future management and engineering". I used to be paid for "social information management" many years ago and still dabble with it when the fancy strikes me.

The stated goal is as follows:

Stabilization of planetary population allowing a maximum number of humans, animals, and natural resources for the near term while keeping intact a framework of a workable and fair political system for the long term.

I have known for 10 years. I am part of the ‘normal’ world, but do not have the patience for it.

I would gladly give my life in order to guarantee the survival of humanity. The stakes are too high for your simplistic point of view. I am sorry, but the rules are going to begin to change in ways that no one could have ever predicted…. Except for us.

There are connections everywhere. Their loyalty is to us and their nation-state. I say that in the same sentence because the need for survival of large populations in each nation-state is what also gives us their loyalty. It is all off-camera situation with powerful points of contacts. You will never see these people (like me) with all of the information out in the open. Ever. You will, however see those out in the open with MOST of the information, but it is more of a general nature.

I am not allowed to go off into a cabin. I take full responsibility for my planning and actions. I will ‘ride the storm out’ and try to shoot for the long-term. I just don’t have the luxury of taking off. I wish I did. It is up to people like me and those I work with to make all this work out for a positive outcome.

I am sorry my friend. I am not psychic.

I am not a ´psychic´ or a ´seer´. I am not "Victor", although it is a possibility he works in one of the cubicles up the hall from my office (now would that not be interesting...). I am just a man with an interesting job that has a relatively high degree of freedom and excellent technical abilities (so as not to get caught...) that hopes some of this will be helpful.

Have you grown a conscience yet? I believe that I have one, but from your standpoint, I think the answer would be "no".

I stay away from this site for the most part due to "positional pressures". This is not exactly a safe pastime for me.

Are you for real? Or are you just a psy-op master who enjoys coming here and rattling our cage from time to time? I am both. I do enjoy this, at the same time I hope that you realize that I am not in my typical role of "psy-op master" when I post here. I honestly hope that some of you take heed.

From my point of view, our attempt to save the planet from certain doom makes myself and others like me "good". Although I would understand if you disagree.

I, and others like me, are not the judges. Nor do we pretend to be. We implement the most important plan ever devised by man in order to ensure the continued survival of the human race. Period. No more, no less.

I have digested your questions and comments and have not ignored them. It reminds me of why I enjoy this site and why I have a perennial weakness for the individuals here. I will reply in good time. Thank you.

Trinity: Some is misdirection, while much of what you have posted are rather accurate tidbits of reality.

I am VERY busy TODAY (7/11/2006), but will attempt to make the time soon to post answers to your questions -- and inform of another "planned" event, perhaps even with a targeted date again. I have not decided. Before anyone asks the obvious (again), I CANNOT post hyper-accurate information. As it is, keyword data sweeps have already flagged much of the information that I have posted. Any more than that would compromise my position, family, and life. I am sorry. Today is a busy day for me.

I am American, but the reality of the situation is that after a certain supranational organizational level, it does not matter.

Given the choice between other animals and humans, there is no choice. I would purposefully exterminate every living thing on this planet if it meant the survival of the species human. Fortunately, that is not (and will never be) the case - but my point is clear.

I am involved on a decision making level. I also, from time to time, go back into the ranks for ´prep work´. That is how I found GLP. My posts here are usually VASTLY different than these. I´ll leave it at that.

There doesn´t seem to be much interest, I am in a little trouble, and it doesn´t seem worth it -- except that I feel a bit better knowing that I tried.

At LEAST I tried. I wish everyone would re-read, at a minimum the last little bit and take it to heart. If not, then so be it.

We will do what we must. What we are meant to do. I hope that some of you here are on the right side of things when the snowball gets halfway down the hill.

There is nothing anyone can do. War in 6 months. I have already discussed the weather. These little storms are only the beginning. Not only for the US, but many other countries. The beginning of deception for the greater good. You will ask our help, and will will grant it to you. As planned.

Laws will be made, laws will be repealed, everything will unfold as it is meant to be. This experiment is over. Both here on GLP and in general.

See you on the other side. May whatever God you believe in have mercy upon your souls.

1. None will "prosper" in any sense. It will be an issue of pure survival, thus the real reason for worldwide military modernization and build-up. Most armies of the world and (depending on the country) their civilian masters are not aware of our activities, or are complicit. Either way, they do not care: as their budgets increase, so do their perceived power. Unfortunately, this will all become an issue of "might makes right". Even with known conventional and nuclear weapons, there are no countries capable of withstanding any type of pure military confrontation with the United States (our base of operation). It is the "unknown" weapons which the world has yet to see or experience that we are counting on to save humanity. If current cutting edge military technology for the rest of the world can be considered 4th generation, the U.S.A. would be (again, comparatively speaking) hiding fully functional 9th generation technology, and in some cases up to 12th generation.

Brazil easily has the most powerful military in South America. Coupled with adequate fuel sources (sugar/oil) it will survive. The United States (NOTE: as a center of worldwide command and control, TPTB, rather than the "nation" and it's "people") has decided to allow Brazil to continue with it's natural resources intact because it is somewhat self-sufficient and will become a main food source for the future.

2. France will have no choice. I believe that, more accurately, what you are asking is if they will make it public. They will not. With our "election" results firmly in hand, the French WILL fall back in line or the quasi-third world nation which they have allowed us to build within their own borders will rebel. If they are foolish enough to attempt to resist the future, the 5th Republic will come to a bloody and quick end. We have planned for this and will use the European propensity for carnage to our advantage.

3. Yes. It is because of water. The United States has been placed as the primary military, technological, and social superpower of the planet (and the blueprint for the new planetary order). Because of this, all of our hopes rest upon that particular nation's survival. The mass of freshwater located in the Great Lakes region of the U.S., Canadian resources at our disposal, plus the region in Paraguay (it is no accident that there is a military base there, the bulk of it underground and unknown) will give the United States control of fully 90%+ of all easily accessable freshwater supplies in the Americas.

The Pacific Northwest IS a dangerous area due to geologic instability. I would not recommend living there. This will become obvious VERY SOON.
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Do not confuse military action with police action by military personnel. Iraq has been secured for its natural resources by the sole planetary superpower. In securing the natural resource, an army was defeated easily by another army. Make no mistake, that pure military confrontation - hardware against hardware and troop against troop - is what I was referencing.

Iraq will end with a "pullout" by the United States (as planned) with OUR fully controlled major oil corporations left with a firm grip on the required resources. It has been planned in order to:

1. Feign severe military weakness of the United States so that even a larger portion of GDP can be funneled into the military AND trick foolish adversaries (your post would be such an example of this in action) into confusion between police action vs. military action. Larger "adversaries" are fully under control by us, therefore they are of no concern but rather part of the plan. Regardless, China or Russia (as examples) would not be fooled for a moment as they have semi-modern professional armies combined with mature command and control structures.

2. Concentrate wealth and resources into a handful of corporations which tend to be much easier to control than nation states. In other words, those who get paid large sums of money by us do as they are told or are replaced. This simple system of control and wealth concentration so our plan can move forward is impossible with a large general population (country independent).

We will succeed. To a certain extent, we already have and you just have not noticed. Again, just as planned.
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Brazil: Do not move there. When things begin in earnest, those that are "set" will be much more noticeable in third world countries. YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE IN A THIRD WORLD OR SECOND WORLD COUNTRY (most of Europe, for example) IF YOU CAN HELP IT. Those nations will be the least likely to be able to support simple infrastructure, most likely to force "redistribution" of wealth, and have serious problems with their population in turmoil (think: social order breakdown to violence). Most have plans for this "redistribution" either complete or in the works.

If given a choice, you should either be (1) in the United States or (2) in Canada.

You must realize the truth: North America has been designated by us for over 200 years as the lifeboat for the planet. It is been confirmed as a necessary planetary lifeboat since the 1950's through scientific means. This confirms the validity ancient texts and the wisdom of the creators of the original secret political structure to form the "lifeboat" in the first place. No more, no less. There is a reason why the United States has gone from wilderness to planetary superpower in less than 250 years. It is unprecedented in the history of humankind and NOT ACCIDENTAL.

Heed and take note. The ship WILL SINK. Now you know where the lifeboats are. The rest is up to you.
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Aids: AIDS / HIV is not created by man. Had we created it, there would be NO medication that could halt it at ANY price.

Amish:
In regards to the Amish, that is well and fine for them. Realistically, their system cannot produce what is necessary for millions to live. Of that, there is little debate. There is no economy of scale in that system. There is no storage of technical knowledge of that system. I would like more to survive the disasters which are coming than a handful of bibles and ‘moral’ reading material.

Antarctica: Antarctica is not what it appears to be in the least bit. There will be some rather amazing activity coming from there within the next year.


Ariel Sharon: Ariel Sharon, unfortunately, suffered a stroke in January. As a result the timetable for the planned war that I was referring to was pushed back.

Fortunately, things are moving along quite nicely. Let's just say that the timing of my "return" is not an accident. Everyone, even people in my profession, need some downtime once a major milestone has been reached.

As stated on June 27, 2006.

"Ariel Sharon, unfortunately, suffered a stroke in January. As a result the timetable for the planned war that I was referring to was pushed back.

Fortunately, things are moving along quite nicely. Let's just say that the timing of my "return" is not an accident. Everyone, even people in my profession, need some downtime once a major milestone has been reached."

We have high hopes for this conflict in order to achieve a portion of our stated goals. Assuming everything continues to plan, I may post some more interesting information rather soon. For now, as you can imagine, I have much work to do. We are at a critical stage. As always, there are other (albeit weaker) forces at work against us. As self-serving groups who do not understand or grasp the true nature of reality, they must (and shall) be crushed.

America: What is your opinion of the course that America is taking? It is as planned. Not an option. It will, in the long run, save this planet.

Astrology: Unfortunately, it is a waste of time. EXCEPT that deluded masses believe it to be true, therefore it is of use to us.
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Bill O Reilly: Mr. O'Reilly does as he is told, and does his job rather well.

It must be remembered that "patriots" (regardless of country) are far more difficult to control. They tend to lean towards the "right" (in American terms, those in other countries please modify nomenclature as you see fit). When provoked, they tend to be violent revolutionaries OR excellent apparatus of the state.

Those of the "left" (i.e. the new American left) are of little consequence due to the ease and extent of which they can be controlled. Due to their generalized lack of personal support systems (religion would be a perfect example), they tend to look first to governmental and state systems for support and guidance. Additionally, as a group they are anti-self defense (and anti-firearm) which is an excellent and long fought development coordinated by us.

Interestingly, the original "left" are few and far between. That is to say, those that are (at least in the States) constitutionalists. A true "liberal" would believe that the first amendment lists the right to (quite literally) say anything and that the second lists the right to own / carry and (quite literally) any type of firearm. Notice the use of the word "lists" rather than "gives".

Both the current "right" and "left" have been lead to believe that those rights are given rather than simply being listed to forestall any future erosion of those facts.

I am very proud of the work that has been done in this country and many others.

Breakdown of the plan: OK. Think of it like this. You need to run a city, but it must be WELL ORDERED and run like a top, or all of the residents will die.

Break it down.

First Deathpoint: Security
*If your city runs up against a superior military force, the population will suffer immediate death.

Second Deathpoint: Water
*You must provide clean drinking water every single day for every single resident.

Third Deathpoint: Food
*You must provide adequate nutrition for every single day for every single resident.

Fourth Deathpoint: Shelter
*Protection for the elements for all residents.

Fifth Deathpoint: Combustion
*From fires burning wood to boil water to a nuclear plant boiling water to spin a turbine.

The list goes on and on into a web of interconnected points. Energy production is great, but without a transmission network it is useless.

I think you can figure it out. If are useful in multiple skills (i.e. you are a plumber and a mechanic), you are obviously more useful.

REAL jobs are going to be placed higher than "management" paper-pushing skills. An electrician will be far more valuable than the owner of the company that he works for.

Ideally, you would work on large civil service projects -- but all other real skills count as well. We know. Don't worry about that.

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Enforcement will not be employed. Containment WILL be employed. I believe you misunderstand. Think of it as a virtual shelter. If you get picked, you and your family go in the shelter. If you don't, you are not punished or controlled -- but you are not allowed in the shelter. You are also monitored to make sure you do not impact the shelter or it's production.

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You confuse the puppet people with the puppet masters. Manipulation on a grand scale so overreaching and powerful that no one would believe it if they knew it all.

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RFID's will not be used. Everyone will be accounted for on the face of this planet. Many already have the technology in them, many do not. It is simply a matter of time. You will not know you are being tracked and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it. I am very sorry.
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Canada: Canada=United States of America North Mexico=United States of America South That is the reality of the situation. Taking into consideration that the population of the entire nation of Canada is approximately equivalent to the population of California, you must realize that in the end the Canadians (due to their weak military) must do as they are told.

The same could be said of Mexico and their third world military and living conditions.

Unfortunately, it will happen as it is all according to plan. Both countries, even combined, could not withstand any type of onslaught from the United States.

It has been planned, it has been signed, it will be done.

Caste: I don´t know if TPTB are "evil," but I don´t doubt that they would exterminate a few billion of us "commoners" in the name of survival. The world still has the caste system whether we call it that or not. You are correct. It is not fair, but it is the only way to organize on a large scale human population that both works in theory and practice. The best example would be India.

Chemtrails:
"Chemtrails" are simply an expedient means to deliver mild genetic alterations to the human (and certain important domestic animals) genome that will be required for the continued survival of the race. Unfortunately, like the rest of nature, those physically weaker OR that cannot tolerate the modification will naturally fall by the wayside.

So then can you explain why there have been harmful metals and immuno-suppressents found in the chemtrail residues? What exactly are we being protected from? Bio-attack? Please elaborate, even with subtle clues if necessary.

The delivery system is a requirement, side effects are to be assumed. Immune suppressing compounds are sometimes there, sometimes not. If "someone" wanted to seed you with a retro-virus for simple genetic modification, but your immune system attacked and destroyed it before it could do it's job, would it not be a waste of time and effort? The only other option would be to engineer an even more powerful virus, but that would exponentially increase mortality in the very population that we seek to protect.

The new order will require a more robust human in order to survive. That is all that I am willing to say on the subject.

It is being done regardless, so to worry about something you cannot control is illogical. Rest assured, not one cent would be spent concentrating resources if we were not attempting to help. If you live in a second or third-world country, chances are that you will never even SEE such a sight overhead. Ask yourself "why?" and consider yourself lucky -- at least you have a chance.

China: China, like all nation-states, was compromised years ago. They will be the most helpful nation during the population re-adjustment phase of the plan.

Control: Prepare: Prepare mentally. Prepare financially. Prepare physically.

This will not be the "main event" by any stretch of the imagination, but it will get everyone's attention. As is our intent. The above general principals are all that you can do right now. If your location is unfortunate, due to the planned event, there is nothing you can do. Frankly, it is becoming more difficult to plan these things due to various factors but rest assured, it is not a matter of if, but when.

For some unknown reason, GLP seems to be very United States centric. It is assumed that is the case due to the location of most of the users, but I would ask for people using the site (from time to time) to look at things from another angle. I will give you direction: See world events, their timing, and the real-world results as if you were in orbit around this very important planet.

If you were to do such a thing, many points would become obvious. Such as:

1. Why would the planet's only remaining superpower burn a large surplus and military on a short-term gain?

A: It is not a short-term gain.

2. Why would the planet's most populous country purposefully support the aforementioned superpower's military and economy, even though they are (by all accounts) politically opposed to them?

A: Because the military and economy are theirs as well.

3. Why would the "other" superpower purposefully relinquish its military, political, and economic status to its sworn enemy?

A: Because it did not.

The list could go on and on. Do you see the pattern? Nation-states as you know them have not existed since the latter half of the 20th century. They are under control - a 5th column exists to make sure that they remain as such. Collusion exists in order to further the goals of the planet, without the planet knowing it. People clamor for the change, rather than change being forced. The only thing that changes is the marketing tactics, but the results are ALWAYS the same. "Global warming", for example, would be a perfect illustration of a manufactured threat for the "left". Result? Increased control and centralization of private sector heavy industry in the hands of the few. "Islamic terrorists", for example, would be a perfect illustration of a manufactured threat for the "right". Result? Increased control and centralization of the population security apparatus in the hands of the few. Interestingly, the equipment produced by the controlled private sector heavy industry (thanks to the left) will be used to increase the strength of the security apparatus (thanks to the right). End result?? Both the “left” and the “right” (in American terms, for those of you from other areas of the world - you may use whatever nomenclature you see fit) of the populous from anywhere on the planet will have centralized control of THEMSELVES. Control and centralization is always the result of these "issues". The deck is stacked, cards marked, and the dealer is crooked -- but everyone thinks they are playing a straight game. We will succeed. We must succeed. Humans will survive because of it.

Crop Circles: 535 said this was close to the truth. microwave art
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Dark matter: It is POWER of which the majority mankind has no knowledge of... and so it shall remain.

Democrats: They all serve US. They desire power, we give it to them. We desire control, they give it to us. It is not the power, but rather who wields it.
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Earthquakes: On October 2, 2005 I said:

By Monday, October 17

"Let it begin. Good luck to you all."

Here is the current situation:

EARTHQUAKES:
My posting was on Sunday, October 2, 2005 at 8:50 p.m. (EST)

The Kashmir quake was on Sunday, October 8, 2005 at 8:50 a.m. (Local time)

Opposite ends of the week at opposite ends of "time". That is the best I could do without getting caught. Sorry.

I will assume that everyone is familiar with the Kashmir event. Additionally, I will also assume that everyone is aware that Kashmiri earthquake survivors are upset with "civilian" aid workers and want the Army to help them. Does this sound familiar to anyone? The plan will continue. Worldwide.

Today, there were no less that 10 listed earthquakes of over 5.0. Some were in the same area, but it matters not. This will
dip for a bit then get worse. MUCH worse.

Einstein: Einstein was allowed to release a certain amount of information, but no more.
The information was not his. He was highly intelligent, but in the end nothing more than a highly paid asset.

ETCs: Since there is a bit of interest, I´ll give some elaboration on the alien issues. Frankly, that was a mistake on my part. I try to stay away from the subject simply because of the scope of the issue, and the difficulty of your average human in grasping the potentials at hand. Add to that how long it REALLY would take to lay the whole thing out, and I think you get the picture. Yes. There is a powerful extra-terrestrial component to this. I want to be very clear on this: the United States (or any other nation) has not made any type of overt or covert "deal" with any ETC´s (extra-terrestrial civilizations). More accurately, you could call it a ´cross-cultural exchange´. With multiple species. Understand, we are not in a position to grant them anything. We have nothing to grant that they could not simply take by force in about an hour, that is, if any ETC wanted to bother. Much of what you read and see in regards to ETC´s is pure disinformation, the purpose of which is to provide flexibility for the final goals. In other words, we have planted enough "aliens as enemy", "aliens as friend", and "aliens as indifferent" that when the time presents itself, we can play whatever card is needed. Much like the mundane (but important) changes in laws, you never know when the card will have to be played, so keep it available and make sure that people will CLAMOR for it. In reality, the ETC´s are all either friendly or indifferent. There are no ´enemies´... to us, that is. Like all great powers (even those 1000 years ahead of us in technology), each faction has it´s rivalries. We are the cosmic equivalent of the third world (actually, most of our planet is a step down from that). We are pathetic. Where there could (has been/will) be some negative aspects to us would be when two different races decide to have a small border-war, so to speak, in and around Earth. Obviously, whether you have a stellar empire or a planetary one, it is always the backwater natives stuck on the outposts of the frontier that get it on the chin. We do not want to get it on the chin, so we take whatever help we can. Plain and simple. Even our people tend to read too much into this from time to time. We need their help, much like a third world country needs help from superpowers to protect and guide them. The energy technologies which I alluded to before are not FROM them (we already figured that out on our own) but the technologies to make them WORK by the time we will need them needed a lot of help. More than a few ETC´s have helped us on various portions of the project. In regards to a near-future global catastrophe: Again, we figured that out on our own. They didn´t just pop by to give us a roadmap as to what was going to happen and hand us a solution on a silver platter, they wanted to see what we had figured out. Not only our predictions, but our potential solutions. We did not come up short on accurate predictions, but we were sorely lacking on "nuts and bolts" technologies to make our potential solutions work for the long term. The things that we do and have done for ourselves is a very important aspect (from their point of view) in their feeling that we deserve to live, as a race. Let me (again) be very clear. In the end they do not care one bit about internal political, military, and the social situation on this planet. We are just not that important. However, they do care enough about humans as a species not to let us all die simply because they did not want to help us find some simple technologies that normally would have taken us a century to figure out on our own. Don´t you get it? They have not given us ANYTHING that we would not have figured out on our own. That is why we deserve to live. They joined our ´secret´ programs as research ´scientists´ to point us in the right directions. They already knew the answers to all of our questions, but were willing to play along and prod us as necessary to complete our goals. Additionally, they (and us) are and must be coldly calculating. It was a hard lesson to learn, but the most important one that as a group we were taught. More important than the technology, in fact. The United States was chosen as the most logical nation-state from various competing political systems (by us). Upon that selection, ETC´s honored our choice of planetary superpower and has worked with us ever since. That is one of (of many) reasons that Russia (CCCP) and China have not stood from the highest rooftop screaming about the changes to earth, lack of natural resources, or ETC´s. They have been getting a bit hyper as of late, but I assure you that it is all part of the show. It has been said that God helps those who help themselves. They are NOT God, but we are getting help because we are trying our best to help ourselves. The goal is through, whatever means necessary, to ensure the largest human population survival for an inevitable period of repopulation. I´m not sure that I consider the fact that we had some help in planning and implementation as the largest secret, but I can see the allure. That, my friend, is the great secret. We setup the game, load the dice, take your money, and run the show. All they did is help us to make the cash register. But we all know where a casino would be without a cash register...


Europeans: The Europeans are very useful to us.

Many of our best operatives are European simply because of their extensive experience in turning "enlightened" democratic / capitalistic states into quasi-socialist / communist nations while still being able to convince large portions of their populations that they are "free". Americans (and most of Asia, etc) have not even come close to this level of mastery of the populace. This is their main strength. Because of their lack of many basic natural resources, the Europeans in general are regarded as a primary personnel (and secondary technology) resource pool. Additionally, because of their propensity to be at war with one another for extended periods of time, regardless of their shared landmass and history -- they are (again, generally) deemed unsuitable for anything other than our main testbed for future "controls". There are exceptions, but unfortunately for the Europeans, they are few and far between.
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Faith: Have faith if you must, but do not count on your faith to feed you if you are starving. Trust me, you will require food for that task. I suggest you think about that statement for your own sake.

False Flag Operation: Are you talking about another false flag op occuring? Most major events are manufactured. Regardless, some are larger in scope than others. Another large false flag operation will occur. Do you know where it will occur? It will occur either in New York City or L.A. At this point, it depends on non-informed security skill, final ship locations, and the general weakness of both locations. Every event is "predicted" by another event. All events are foreshadowed for the dual purposes of: 1. Technical feasibility.2. Psychological preparation. Think about the last (2005) "fourth of July" and look to the sky.

Free energy: A comment about free energy: There is NO such thing. Sorry. That is just the way it is. If there was some simple box that you and I could download plans over the internet, actually BUILD the thing and have it work, none of this would be an issue. There are forms of energy that are called "free", but the amount of technology to build the machines (from current energy resources!) and general cost to get them going are a huge investment in time and resources. Once the technology is perfected on a small scale, we can begin large scale (almost there). We have only ONE shot at this. Understand. If we do not get this right the first time, there will not be enough resources left ANYWHERE to give it another try. Sorry, that is just the way it is. Water. You are 100% correct IF we had unlimited energy. Your (and most people´s assumption) is that there is an ´alternative´ energy that can solve our problems. There is, but it is so much more difficult than you realize. The problem is NOT alternative energy, it is alternative PRODUCTION of energy that is the problem. Again, if there was something like what you propose, we would not be in this boat. You could download a set of plans from an alternative energy website, build the thing, and run your home for free. But I guarantee you do not. How do I know this? Because to make these theories actually WORK is far more difficult on a practical level than anyone realizes. I am very sorry about this point, because if it were true my life (and yours) would be far different.

Incorrect. You proceed from the assumption that the energy equation is simple.

We have determined the following for all types of "renewal" or "free" energy:

Total inputs of ALL external energy resources exceeds output

The main source that does exceed input are fission and fusion (there are other sources, but those are a bit too far out into our future planning to be of use in this conversation). Fission has be purposefully demonized due the need for it to be used as weaponry. Fusion, unfortunately, came too late for our purposes and it takes far to long to build a plant. There is no quick replacement - thus the need to secure all short term resources at any cost.

All of that having been said, there is one other problem -- it would be illogical to expend a radical amount of resources for constructing exceedingly large fusion plants that will not survive even into mid-century. They will be required AFTER, not before the worldwide "change". Built and controlled by us, for the betterment and safety of humanity.
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Global warming: Natural disasters will continue, but due to ´global warming´, they have (and will continue) to increase. No way around it. Global warming is a solar phenomenon. I think that that is common knowledge here and in most scientific circles, but the "humans are at cause" crowd will never go away because of the purpose they serve. (Posted on 7/23/2006) It will get much worse. I suggest you either move, cope, or expire.

Globalism: The NOTION of globalism has to live on so that Humanity does not die. "Globalism" in it's current form (idealized) will be complete sooner rather than later. I must stress that it is manufactured and only temporary. It is obvious that the system cannot sustain forever, but it must be sold to the masses as such. The only thing this charade accomplishes: it buys us time to finish resource concentration. Period.

Guns: Should Teachers and Principals Have a Gun? YES. Will we allow the logical choice of Teachers and Principals Having a Gun?
No. "American Liberals" on this issue work to our advantage. Next issue, maybe it will be the "right". In the end, you will be dependant upon US, and if we are lucky, you will NOT be able to have guns. If we are unlucky, the laws of the U.S. will cause us touble -- but not for long...
Guns/best: .22 rifle (pref. Ruger 10/22)
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Hawaii: I would never, ever live in Hawaii for any reason. I will repeat for those who assume that my posts, dates, diction, and timing are all "accidents":

I would never, ever live in Hawaii for any reason.

It is not as if I have nothing better to do, as the original poster correctly pointed out "...are you suggesting between the lines?", everything that I write has a purpose. If you do not see the obvious (I would not even classify this as "reading between the lines"), then the small portions of information that I disclose that ARE between the lines will be lost.

Please make a note of it.

Hitler: You are trying the justify mass murder. You sound like Hitler, reincarnated?
I ask others that have killed another human what they think about this?
Would you ever do it again if you could go back and make the choice over again?

We are not going to kill anyone. We hope. The truth is that we WILL NOT ALLOW one nation-state that happens, by simple geography, control the resources that are necessary for the survival of the species. Period. If you had a city of millions with no water and a town of 100 with enough for that city and they pulled out their shotguns and said “no water for you at any price”, what would you do?? Sacrifice the millions because you didn’t want to kill 100 in self defense??? Some choices in life are hard. Just be thankful that you don’t have to make them.

Hitler was never fighting for the survival of the human race. He murdered to shape the human race into his own twisted image. There is a huge difference. If you cannot see it, I cannot help you. I am truly sorry.

Obviously, no one wants to kill anyone. We would hope that we could all just get along and that God will spare us his wrath. Realistically, I do not have that luxury. I wish I did. I cannot have my cake and eat it too. Reality just does not work like that.

Hugo Chavez: What is planned for Latin America? HC is problamatic. He will be eliminated within 10 months.

He is not a clone, he was simply replaced like many third world dictators in resource rich, asset producing, or strategically located areas. Saddam would be the most well known amongst certain circles of this control method.

Chavez (much like Castro, Qaddafi, Saddam, and others) was first and foremost a self-serving individual using populist speech to motivate the uneducated masses. The fact that he was personally consuming most of the "skim" from the drug and resource trade was the reason for his removal. Had he not been foolish enough to continue this and stick to his standard agreement, it would not have been necessary. Fortunately for us his cult of personality can be used to our extreme advantage for the next 4 days or 40 years -- whatever may suit our needs.

The fact that a random individual would post "Chavez is for the people" is nothing more (or less) than a testament to our resounding success in the matter. I agree, he is VERY "successful" and one of our finest achievements.

Hurricane Rita: Hurricane “Rita” (as I am sure you know by now) will chop up the Gulf. Texas will get slammed and hit oil production, but that is OK. The next one will do the same, with more impact in Florida. The one after that will be the most destructive, but the final location has not been decided. A direct hit on Florida most likely at this point. Remember, think big picture. The oil is not going anywhere. It is just oil production. Think about why that would make a difference. Think about the ultimate form of conservation for the long term. If it is not pumped, where does it stay when needed?
Hurricanes are not being ‘generated’. Everyone please remember that. We do not have that capability. You are correct in assuming that oil is the target for the sake of saving it for as long as possible. Every day counts.

If oil companies were to stop drilling / pumping / refining / etc. at our request there would be riots in the streets, the stock market would crash, etc, etc. Natural disasters are the best route. Additionally, we do not have to pay the oil companies for their stoppages. That is expensive. They are (as you have probably guessed) very expensive and greedy.

New inventions do NOT and ARE NOT run by our ET friends. WE invented the technologies that we use, they are helping us with the ‘nuts and bolts’ aspects of getting those theories into production. A fourfold acceleration of the normal development time from theory to practice would be a good gauge of the type of directional help we have gotten.

2005 – 2006 there will be small modifications to lifestyle as a whole. Disasters, by their very nature, are localized. That having been said, it looks as if the first half of 2006 will be VERY BAD to those living on the west coast. That is all I will say about that subject
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Iraq: Iraq had exactly:

2 SS-25 Topol Launch Systems:

These devices and related mobile launch vehicles require extensive training of personnel. Additionally, a comparatively large number of said personnel are required to keep these systems functional. Because of the "breakup" of the "former" Soviet Union, that requirement was easily fulfilled (i.e. Belarus and others). These are currently in Iran, rather than Syria (as commonly believed). Because of the nature of the system, they were simply camouflaged as heavy trucks; made part of a large truck convoy before the "war" - and driven directly to Iran.

Iran still is in possession of these systems, they are still operational, and personnel reside locally.

1 extremely large SS-18 Warhead:

This late 70's vintage warhead provides a nominal yield of 20+ Mt; it has been maintained and is fully functional. The "Satan" system was dismantled and the large warhead removed and stored. Personnel and material requirements (compared to the SS-25 systems) are minimal. This device currently is in the possession of the Syrian government.

There are more, but these are the highlights.

Bush invaded because he does as he must, and should be respected for it - but your respect is not required. Although I am willing to say that his invasion "reasons" were not true, he does as he must do for the benefit of us all. The U.S. will NOT withdraw from Iraq because you assume that there WAS a mistake. We never make mistakes.


Iran: Iran currently has:

2 atomic (hydrogen - high yield) weapons successfully mounted on (untested) ICBM's.

These are of Russian (USSR) origin - they have been purchased one small part at a time over many years (zero local construction, only assembly) and reassembled with the help of highly paid, former Soviet specialists. We have protected them, and the equipment is complete and operational as of March, 2005.

6 atomic (standard yield) weapons.

These are relatively large and require delivery systems (that is up to them), but detonation equipment is intact. These have been operational since July, 2004. 1 is Pakistani, 4 are Russian (USSR), and 1 is of American design and construction. The American weapon is the oldest of the six, but also the most advanced weapon in this class (of their arsenal.

9 atomic (minimum yield "suitcase") weapons.

These were delivered active and still are accounted for as of September 2001. Deployment is required to begin by the end of the year. These are all of Russian (USSR) design and construction.

Sorry...

Iraq: So just who are we "fighting" in Iraq?
Those who would secure resources required by us.

Notice the 666 in the Iraqi National Congress Logo?
Good observational skills. Look again. It is also purposefully analogous to another symbol (think "biology"). I am again reminded of why I find GLP worthy of monitoring.
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Israel: (posted on 8/17/2006) All is according to plan. Israel has accomplished it's unstated objective (that was supposed to happen much earlier in the year). The stage has been set. Emergency resources secured for when they are necessary. Blood and fire ready for those who oppose the plan to save humanity.
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Knowledge: We have gone through great lengths to store all data available in safe locations.

Your logic in the statement "...our most important asset as a culture is our accumulated knowledge..." is an accurate assumption.

Through a multi-layered system, we have attempted to build as much redundancy as possible.

There are the following:

Paper based: for information that cannot be replaced if the electronic system should suffer a catastrophic failure.

Electronic based: for complete data storage due to information density (obviously)

Land based systems
1. Deep underground storage facilities
a. Electronic
b. Paper-based

2. Vertical mountain storage facilities
a. Electronic
b. Paper-based

3. Orbital storage facilities
a. Electronic

4. Luna storage facilities.
a. Electronic
b. MINIMAL Paper-based

Using this layered system, the chances for complete data retrieval are (approximately): 97%

Using this layered system, the chances for partial (90%+) data retrieval are (approximately): 99%

Using this layered system, the chance for 100% of REQUIRED technical data retrieval is (approximately): 99.99+

The project scope does include all books, music, and images that are available planetwide.

Due to the fact that the process by it´s very nature is ongoing, emphasis is placed on technical information.

Kucinich: Congressman Kucinich is doing as he is told. He has no choice, nor does he (in reality) care for those people in any way. There is a reason for everything.
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Latin America: What is planned for Latin America? HC is problamatic. He will be eliminated within 10 months. At that point in time, Bolivia will also fall into line. LA resources will then be firmly in our grasp for the logical use by the few for the survival of the many.

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Martial arts: "Martial Arts" are, essentially, worthless in the real world.

The most powerful form of hand-to-hand combat (as measured time from initial blows to terminal individual) is practiced by various special forces militaries. The Americans have the most perfected version, with the Russian military a VERY close second. Their close allies may be counted as well.

Interestingly, the Polish special forces / ops method ranks as one of the highest without being a direct copy of one of the "superpower" methods.


Martial Law: How long before martial law is declared? Martial law will only be declared in major cities at first. NO was the testbed. You will see it occur again this year in another. If it is successful, possibly two.

Military: The military will listen to The President because they will believe the "situation" is real. If everything goes to plan, there will be little to no hesitation because "everyone" will know the "truth", which in turn will give us another manufactured "enemy". What you have seen up until now has simply been the groundwork. The fireworks, so to speak, are still coming.

We have stopped human enhancement for military purposes. Humans are physically weak. Additionally, humans posses very slow reflexes compared to even the most basic of animals. Computing equipment, drones, individual force multipliers (i.e. fifth generation combat suits), remote defense and delivery are our focus.

I am afraid that there will be few "humans" to fight. Your perceived "enemy" will be very hard to find. Iraq, as an example, is simply a resource pool and military dumping ground to finalize the foundation for the FINAL generation of these weapons, most of which are already being produced in great numbers, but most will never see them. Ever.
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Nasa: Why is Nasa interested in getting off planet? It is simply part of the overall plan. Also, you assume that most of the heavy work has not already been completed. NASA's job is, has always been, and will continue to be the mouthpiece for what we see fit to release to the public in small doses when it is deemed necessary for the continuation of the project. Nothing more, nothing less.

North Korea: Unfortunately for us, North Korea is having serious problems with their missile systems. I will make it easy. I posted (check the date) about looking to the sky. On the fourth. Also, about a coastal city (for the record, LA was chosen). I also posted RE: war before Israel restarted their "situation". The timing was clear. I will make it even easier. The Taepodong 2 was supposed to make it farther. Much farther. At that point (where only American forces and their allies could track with 100% certainty), another "Taepodong 2" was to be launched. From a ship. To LA. Thus, your next war.
We have not decided if we will try again or just simply try something different. I may post again. I may not. I think I was far to clear on this and no one figured out the obvious - even when given more information than the general public, most if not all cannot see the big picture. What a shame. It matters not to me, as none can oppose or stop us. This was simply for your edification. Goodbye.

Nuclear War: Nuclear war is an option on the table, but only as a last resort. That would be a nightmare from a logistics point of view. It would also be genome destructive, and resource destructive. That is a very undesired option. It is also why in all of the years that there have been thousands upon thousands of ICBM´s pointed at various parts of the globe, there has never been an all out war. The nuclear option had to be in place as a last resort, but since everything (for the most part) is going accordingly well it has not been used. Hopefully it never will be.
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Overall Plan: Everything that is to be done will be done for the greater good. Everything that must be done will be done because there is no choice. It is obvious that if future events (or recently past ones) were to be assumed as "caused", rather than simply "happened" because of nature, God, or human inaction that the plan would fail. The overall plan requires humans, as a race, to accept the small snowball rolling down the hill. By the time it is 1/2 the way down, it will be such an avalanche that no one would believe that the snowball was started on purpose. You figure it out. We have NO choice in the matter. It is done.

Overpopulation: Overpopulation is the root of the problem. There will be no profit for anyone if we do not act quickly and decisively. It has nothing to do with "respect", but rather reality. There are two roads we can travel. One is a radical re-adjustment of the population of the planet by brutal and uncaring natural forces. We would be lucky to survive as a race, and would be set back to the bronze age if we did. The other is to use our technology and help from ETC's to save as many humans as possible while retaining our technology.

I will always choose to save as many humans as possible. No question, no doubt. To argue otherwise would be traitorous to the human race.

Why did you decide for the destruction of the current world order and the death of 4 billion people,rather than boost colonization of outer space and mining of extraterrestrial resources? "We" decided no such thing. You make the assumption that the colonization of the local planetary group has not already begun with the establishment of extra-terrestrial resource extraction technologies. If we had more time, your question would be logically and morally valid. Unfortunately, time (on the grand scale of things) grows frighteningly short.
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I hope after this he starts referring to himself as "The poster formerly known as 535" 0)+->

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Pandemic: A pandemic falls into the same category as the nuclear option. Fortunately, biologics can be formulated in such a way using various techniques (social, biological) to impact a specific population on a geographical basis. An example would be AIDS in Africa. There are no accidents.


Patriot Act: There are two 'wars'. One external to the United States of America. One internal. Hispanic marches and the Patriot Act renewal go hand in hand. It was hoped (before the "stroke") that the Israeli situation and the planned warfare would help us cement the "Patriot" act. Instead, we have been forced to secondary plans. Fortunately for us, everything is working so far.

Pole shift: A pole shift (in case anyone is wondering) has been predicted to occur within 5 years (posted on 9/18/2005) 8 on the outside. Basically, that is a process that cannot be controlled or mitigated. We can only prepare. The amount of remaining resources has been predicted. The number of humans has been successfully calculated to it´s maximum within the organized system. This does not count ´self sustainers´ in unpopulated areas on a purely sustenance basis. Those people would be ignored as long as they do not ´overproduce´. If they do, then the remainder would be distributed and they would be absorbed into the system as producers or organizers due to their apparent ability to sustain with a surplus during difficult circumstances. If they do not overproduce, they must not impact the production of the system in general. The maximum impact is not always for population control. Sometimes (like NO) it is for psych purposes which further the agenda and goal. NO was an easy opportunity to foster a clamor for change of laws that otherwise would be necessary to do by force. More below on this.

ETA is approx 12 years. As far as the pole shift, it would not mark the end of them. Think of the shift as an approximate halfway point. It is projected to be a mess before, and an even bigger mess afterwards.

Are the poles moving? YES, they are moving. YES, it was expected. YES, it will become more erratic.

The end is not tied to a population level, it is tied to a SUSTAINABLE population level. There is no final number. There are way too many variables. That is why a capitalist system is at the basis of what we are trying to accomplish. It is a realistic, self-correcting system. It also is not being practiced in it’s true state today.

Obviously, any new breakthroughs would be calculated for impact on the overall system, but in reality unless someone invents something amazing that even we have not thought of, tested, and run through our ‘friends’, it will not be an issue.

Pollyannuh: Pollyannuh, and those like her, are extremely useful to us. In the past, large resource expenditures were made in order to establish such a "mind set" in wealthy societies for various reasons. Now, thankfully, they are self-sustaining and self-funding. She is serving her part and should be allowed to continue to do so.

Pollyannuh, I notice your postings here often. I am interested.

Why do you feel the way you do? Is there anything else that can be done to reinforce your outlook?? What would make your simple thoughts, actionable? What action (or inaction) would be acceptable to move you into physical confrontation against "TPTB"? Do you believe in politics and numbers as listed in major media sources? If not, why do you reference them when they are in your favor? What do you believe the outcome would be if the world shifted to your viewpoint, and why are you not fighting (physically)? What would be actionable cause to someone like yourself and those with similar political beliefs?

Thank you Pollyannuh. You, and those like you are extremely useful to us. As a group, we owe those like you a debt of gratitude. Many years, dollars, and men were sacrificed to foster attitudes such as yours for our marketing purposes. It is gratifying to see it has been working.

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Rich and resources: The "super rich" or "super poor" when things REALLY get rolling downhill will all be in the same boat. The ´rich´ can ignore it for longer, but that is about it. You confuse people who are merely rich, with those that have large concentrations of RESOURCES and organization ability that are invaluable. We need the cream of the crop and those who have proven themselves over a span of time, rather than the ´latest thing´. The proven ability to provide organizational stability is key. Everything else (for now) is secondary.

Russia: Russia is being purposefully depopulated.

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Self sufficiency: (Short answer) Weapons, fodder, and water. As much as can be carried. All else is secondary.

Assuming that you are of little value to "us" and wish to be left alone, then my suggestion would be that of self-sufficiency. No less, and as importantly NO MORE. The moment you overproduce, you are on the radar, so to speak. Then you will be forced to become part of the new system and your overproduction re-allocated for the good of the many. Resource gluttons in such situations CANNOT BE TOLERATED. I would, personally, concentrate on weapons (.223, 9mm,7.62X39, .308, .45 - in that order) and food with basic production capability if the above is the goal.

Self-sufficiency is a straightforward issue. Large scale survival has to do with resource concentration and specialization. If the goal was to create a bronze age society, then we could leave things as-is and just send out a ‘self-sufficiency’ book to every man and woman on the planet. Then, you would realize exactly how much land and general resources self-sufficiency requires. Could you imagine the east coast population of millions fanning out west, cutting and burning forests for heat in winter, hunting animals until their populations collapse, fighting one another for clean water locations and choice farming areas?? It would be a nightmare and according to our models would kill as many, if not more, than the changes themselves because of long term resource depletion. It goes back to population density. We need specialization and mass survival, NOT survival at the cost of your neighbor who may not be any good at growing crops. However, your neighbor MAY be good at mathematics and crucial to future energy production to sustain large human populations.

We need farms that can produce food for millions, not 10’s or 100’s. We need power sources that can power everything you take for granted. Things like harvesters, food production facilities, water treatment plants, sanitation plants, pumping stations, medical facilities, drug production facilities, medical research centers, materials production, heavy equipment manufacturing. I could go on and on. Just because you THINK that you are a jack of all trades does not mean that you will not need a doctor. Just because you are a doctor does not mean that you will not need a facility to produce medicine. Just because you fix the vats that produce anti-biotics does not mean that you will never get hungry and need the skills of a farmer. This just goes on and on.

If the goal was to subsist with no advancement (in fact, it would be worse, we would slide backwards) then that way of thinking on a grand scale is fine. If your goal is to try and have as many people live as possible, then you need a plan for resource concentration and specialization.

Again, we do not care if you want to self-subsist as long as it does not impact production. Actually, gaining the skills of self-sufficiency is probably the smartest thing you can do. But be very careful what you choose. Look around you and see all of the things you take for granted. Every pill you take to keep you alive, every drop of fuel you use, every watt of electricity you burn, your clothes, your transportation – have you ever tried to make a bicycle (or bike parts for that matter) by hand??? Please think this through. This is for the long term and you cannot be a resource hog after the main event. There is simply not enough to go around for everyone to have 40 acres of productive farmland, hunting, forest, fuel, etc. THAT plan would cause far more death that I would be willing to live with.

Let me say this. Self-sufficiency is, at it’s heart, dealing with reality. If our plans fail and nothing comes of them, then you should have all the skills to survive at that base level. If our plans come to fruition, then you should have something to offer society at large to justify your resource consumption in the future. Always have a backup plan to the backup plan. Then, have one after that.

Smoking: Smoking:

It is not particularly complex what we are trying to do. Smoking would be an example of attempting to make sure that a large majority of the third world population "self-culls" with minimal interaction.

Smoking would be an example of population self-reduction. Additionally, monies from the sales of these products funnels back to the centers of power. Since it is simply a drug, it can be treated like one for fiscal gain and redirection.

There is one more additional point. Let us see who can figure it out. Since smoking SEVERELY prevents vascularization (or re-vascularization) of tissue and organs, why would we wish to reduce it's use as much as possible in "first world" populations like the United States? What has been posted here that could possible be related to human organs (like the lungs), genetic modification and potential vectors?

I will say no more for the time being on these subjects, as too much information has been given (and guessed).

Syria: (posted on 7/13/2006) Syria will not be left untouched. Stated as the beginning of the second cut point in June. This will end rather soon for the third. Good Luck.

(posted on 7/13/2006) Syria will lose Lebanon and the positions there. It is done.

Nuclear assets were moved to Syria.

Iraq will be, and has always been, a disposable 'large base' asset.

Iran has purchased nuclear assets. Additionally, they have other nuclear assets that were traded from Syria (originally from Iraq) for missle technology.

As a result, Iran and Syria have, for some time, BOTH acquired the ability to send short - medium range nuclear missiles to any point in the Middle East region.

This will be proven by the end of the year.

Soviet Russia: Leaving the planet to ´simple people´ is what got us here. One thing that has become self-evident is that large systems (in this case, large populations) require large control systems. That having been said, Soviet Russia was an example of control systems that became TOO large and started to eat into production. You know the result. That is why people must WANT to change. Soviet Russia was a failed experiment because it attempted to force change. We learned from that, and are trying our best. That´s all we can do.

Superbowl Attack 2006: 535 had this cryptic message: Things that have been planned will not change for any reason.
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Time Travel: They are "timeships".

We have already built 2.

They cost approximately 6 billion per unit. One more is under current construction.

Interestingly, they are theoretically supposed to be invisible (and most of the time, in fact, are). They are out of phase, so therefore not visually detectable. Additionally, we should not be able to see other "observers", but it seems to happen quite frequently. It is assumed that "they" also see "us". It is also assumed that "they" ARE "us" (i.e. humans, but from a different era), but there is no way to be 100% sure, with a few exceptions.

Those exceptions (there are 2 documented) are when the first generation ship - ship number 1 - encountered an upgraded generation with minor exterior changes that was not built yet. We (TPTB, as you like to call us) attempted to NOT send the ship out to the coordinates in question for the sake of experimentation, but they were sent due to unforeseen issues. Thus, despite our best efforts, the cycle completed itself.

Disconcerting, to say the least.

TPTB:
Life, will be an end onto itself.

The only other option will be death.

WE get to choose, rather than you, so what have you done to even deserve to be given the choice?

To put it another way, there is a man and his family that is adept at growing food in high density areas with high yield and turnover. There is another man and his family who used to work in an office pushing paper. There is only enough food, shelter, etc. for one family. We will choose logically.

You are fortunate to have those that would force the cold logic on a war weary / earth changed populace. Without us, there will be chaos. WE ARE ORDER. WE ARE LOGIC. WE ARE THE TOMORROW.

Both sides are "playing" you.

The nomenclature has changed.

"Communist" for "Environmentalist"

"Capitalist" for "Business Interests"

The battle is the same, the political ideals are the same, the people involved are the same, the outcome is the same.

The game is almost over.

The "fight" does not exist.We create the rules, setup the "fighters", and pre-determine the outcome. Those in the stands do not realize that the last fight is directly related to the first, and so on. Taken in a larger context, the reasons are clear. Lucky for us, most humans are only worried about the "now".

...and so it continues.

TPTB work for the greater good.

It is (and has never been) about overt control. It is about the survival of the human race.

We do what we must. If we do not, no one will. Humans are then regulated to the dustbin of history -- we will NOT allow this to happen. Even if 3/4 of the current population must be left out in the cold so that 1/4 may survive, so be it.

Who gave TPTB the right to decide what is/is not "for the greater good?" No one gave us the ´right´. Additionally, no one can GIVE the ´right´. It is something that must be taken. If we do not do this, then who will?? There is no choice for us either. It is in many ways as difficult (if not more so) for us as it is for you. Our punishment for screwing up the job is millions dead, including yourself. Your punishment is getting fired and finding another job. If you take the risk, you get the reward. If you don´t, then you don´t have to worry about your "employer terminiation" of the "employee".

Whoever "tptb" are, they have no power that you don´t give them.

Correct. There will come a time when our ability in organization will be the ONLY power we really have. Only if we stick together, organize, and accept that we are not islands will this species survive in great numbers. I WILL NOT allow this race to throw away all it has accomplished. If, in fighting us, someone like you “wins”, it would be a hollow victory. Millions that could have been saved will die. As much as I would like to believe that ‘we create reality’, ‘the matrix’, etc, etc, MY reality is far different. FOOD, WATER, ENERGY, TRANSPORTATION, MANUFACTURING, and so on. I know it is not fair, but that is the reality that we live in. At the minimum, that is the reality that I must deal with. I WILL NOT allow millions to die because instead of working 14 hours a day to try and make this work I sat around hoping for the second coming of Christ, a new “matrix”, etc. I do not have that luxury. I am glad that you do and hope that things work out as you plan. Good luck.
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USA:

I thank you for asking such a question. This will happen soon as the current portion of The Plan is complete. Most humans do not understand the importance to which we place the replacement of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States via international pressure and internal forces. The armed populace of the United States of America is the last major roadblock in place to The Plan. It is also the most dangerous.

Please continue to discuss. If you are American, you can help The Plan through the elimination of the Second Amendment. There will be many more pressures coming to bear which will result in this major shift and allow us to move towards the final stage with little or no resistance.

How much of a force is left to defend America?
More than you could ever imagine.
“Why the US? “
Workable social system. Most technologically advanced. Massive surplus in food production. Large amounts of freshwater. That is it. (posted on 8/18/2006) An intelligent person should have firearms and ammunition. Malu, you are correct. In Michigan, there is a significant middle-class with firearms in the home and sufficient training to be a problem if not handled carefully. The middle-class is to be used (and spared, for the most part -- at least in the United States), but the wheat must first be separated from the chaff.


For safety, the Great Lakes region provides the most general stability in the United States.

The United States is the final filter of all other technologies, political systems, human potentials, and general power that has been concentrated by those (now) second world powers in order to artificially create a final nation-state that has the following properties:

1. Radically concentrated wealth.

2. Unparalleled military power.

3. High-technology endpoint of all other nations.

4. Access to the above (3) three FROM all other nations for the use of the created nation.

5. Concentration of human capital (i.e. it was always assumed that those who left their respective original countries were physically and mentally superior to those that "stayed comfortable" while their nations became second world / rate powers - thus the reason for their decline into continental wars with one another).

None of this is coincidence. It has been planned this way. It has also been planned (and assumed) that other nations would "hate" the reflection of themselves and what they had created. The refinement process was designed to filter the best that other nations had to offer (wealth, natural resources, personnel, military power, technological power, etc) so the logical outcome would be an inevitable hatred of the nation that resulted.

For those who are illogical, it will be difficult to understand this: The United States of America is an artificial concentration of all other nations in order to save mankind from the inevitable. Mark these word - if the United States fails, the world will fail. At that point, we will ALL morn the loss of the planet's last hope. And that, my friends, would be a shame for humanity rather than simply one nation-state.

If the military umbrella provided by the United States of America were removed from Europe, the British Commonwealth nations, and Asian democracies - they would all fall one by one in a brutal manner of which the world has never seen.

Unless certain long term strategic goals are not met, this will happen. Fortunately, there are those of us that have planned rather well for this inevitable outcome of failure.

We do not require your thanks, simply your obedience. In other words, your nations can cease to exist without the United States OR these second / third world powers can keep their current archaic political systems / languages / culture / life with external obedience to the designed supra-nation state. There is little choice, unless national (and physical) suicide sound like logical options.
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Vaccines: I sympathize with you. I am glad that you did take the time to write. The situation with your vaccination was bad, but it is a perfect example of what I am trying to illustrate. Lets assume it was a Polio vaccine (for the heck of it). For the 2% that have horrendous reactions to the vaccine, MILLIONS will live that would have died because of taking it. THAT is the problem. Lets take it further. Assume that you decide not to take the vaccine. Now assume that you ‘accidentally’ transmit the disease to a newborn, or another nation-state’s population. One thousand people die. Is it your fault? You lived in comfort, but others died. Would it be worth it? I cannot answer that question for you, but I think you get where I am coming from and what my answer is.

There are no nefarious purposes, but rather positive and necessary ones. The problem is that a certain segment of the population will not be able to survive the long term effects of the initial inoculation.

Rest assured, EVERYONE will be inoculated. Unfortunately, not everyone will survive the process over time. If you decided to live in a box, sealed from the outside world, eventually you have to come out. If you come out, and have not received your "dose", you will perish 100% -- no debate.

That is just the way it is.



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Warnings: (Posted on 5/5/2007) If I was simply a prankster, I (obviously) would have kept posting. I did not due to personal and professional reasons. I have waited long enough under observation from certain approving superiors that I may begin to post again in earnst, from time to time. As such, my "moral high ground" compels me to state the following:

Stay out of California. If you are there, you must leave.

Stay out of Florida. If you are there, you must leave.

Stay out of New York. If you are there, you must leave.

Stay out of London. You should leave there sooner than later.

Stay out of Paris. You should leave there sooner than later.

Stay out of Hong Kong. You should leave there as soon as possible.

STAY OUT OF ROME.

STAY OUT OF MOSCOW.

STAY OUT OF WARSAW.

Stay out of VLADIVOSTOK. You should leave there as soon as possible.

All of these locations are "cities of note and list", and I will say no more on that matter.

The big nuclear fire will make it's appearance this year.

Solar output to Earth absorption ratio will make the big fire seem small in many ways on a day to day basis for the general population.

This next Christmas season will be FAR FAR FAR worse and more dangerous than the last. East.

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You mentioned the year 1878. Now to the truth. NO was manipulated in such a way that the masses of this country would clamor and demand a very important change in law which we consider a requirement to really get the ball rolling. In 1878, the Posse Comitatus Act was made law (actually, 1879 to be technically correct). I suggest that you look it up to see what is going to happen.

520:

Correct. We became aware of the potential ´problem´ in the late 30´s early 40´s, based on the initial work of Vernadsky (20´s) and its logical progression. We knew it was a real problem by the end of the war (end of the Manhattan Project combined with high altitude data). We confirmed the problem and it´s scope with the first space based observation systems. By 1960, it was obvious from even the most simple readings of Explorer I in 1958 that there was trouble. A simple progression, really.

Theoretical mathematics and general theory provided us the potential of a beginning proof. Advances in nuclear technology (provided by the United States) combined with high altitude technology tests (provided by Nazi Germany) during the war provided the raw data which fit the mathematical models. Space based observation (by the United States and USSR) provided final confirmation.

Upon reaching the nuclear threshold AND the space frontier, the United States and the USSR were contacted. Since the power behind both of these political nation-state experiments were the same, it means that ´we´ were contacted. The contact was more of a test than anything else. Like saying "Are you guys just building ICBM´s with nukes on them to kill one another for no reason, or do you have a constructive plan for the future. If so, show us your grasp of the problem and your solution." We offered them the world (literally) if they would solve the problem for us, but like I said, they do not need us to ´offer´ anything. They could have (and still can) just simply take it at any time. It has been that way ever since.

There is a covert space program. There is going to be no hiding on the moon. It would be a waste of resources and contrary to the stated goals of maximal human survival. The presence of a command and control center is as far as anyone is willing to commit in regards to resources. Neat stuff, but only setup as a counter just in case command and control centers here on earth are ALL snuffed out. Very unlikely, but an ace in the hole.

518, this IS mostly a corporate affair and mostly outside government. Companies can be PAID to shut up, and will do whatever it takes to keep things quiet. Governments are noisy, nosy, inefficient, and generally a mess for operations requiring a high level of professionalism. You get what you pay for.

PPD has a core to what I am discussing here, but not exactly the ´whole truth´. No book that you can buy on the newsstands would ever be the ´whole truth´, by definition.

483, I am an American but when I say us, I mean (as GLP puts it) "The Powers That Be". The United States did not do the choosing. The United States chose itself in fair competition with the only other power in the running, the USSR. The choice was clear cut. In many ways, this is not really a good thing. Like I said before, if you get "paid" more, it means that the "responsibility" is YOURS. If we screw up, everyone loses and we go back to pockets of humanity living in the bronze age with less that 10% of current population.

Think of the carnage of inaction. 10,000 years from now, they would find a layer of human remains in the same strata of sediment along with some relatively advanced technology. They will wonder, "what the hell happened".

THAT, old fashioned catholic, is for those that believe in an angry, bloodthirsty God that thinks nothing of exterminating 90%+ of humans on this planet. I am Christian and I can tell you that THAT IS NOT MY GOD. Dammit OFC, WE HAVE TO AT LEAST TRY. Even if we fail. I hope that you are right. I hope that Jesus himself comes from the heavens and strikes me and others like me down in order to save humanity at the last moment from a horrific fate -- a fate far worse than dealing with our plan for one or two generations. I would give myself up in a moment for that outcome and bear judgment from above.

I also know that I and others like me would be just as guilty for this bloodbath on an inhuman scale if we knew, had the ability to mitigate it for a decent portion of humanity, and then did nothing. Then I would deserve to burn in hell for eternity.

I´m sorry. It is a moral disaster for all of us involved. We are people, like you, with families. The pressure of performance combined with the price of failure makes a moral outlook a requirement. It hurts. This is part of the reasons for these postings. Some days, I just don´t want to get out of bed. Let someone else answer the big questions, I want to turn over back into blissful ignorance. I know this will never be good enough for you, but I wanted you to know where I am coming from. I am sorry, but it is coming. WE are coming, the changes are coming, THE CHANGES HAVE BEGUN AND ARE HERE. Nothing can stop that except God himself. If that happens, then we will stand next to you in prayer. Good luck.

The timing and date of my initial post was not an accident. Put it on your calendar as ´the beginning´. It was NOT 911, that was just the warm up. This, my friends is the main event. Good luck to costal populations in the next 3 months.


I will not get into a specific point by point debate because you are thinking with your emotions. I understand what you are saying, but you are too “American Centric”. I also believe that you are not grasping the gravity of the situation.











You are assuming that our push to save as many people as possible from an impending global disaster has anything to do with small farms, small business, the ability to cut firewood, etc, etc. That is current minutiae and frankly not part of a future big picture viewpoint involving survival of the species human. Those current small picture issues (at least to us) are on an elected (or unelected, depending on which country you live in) local or national level. You also assume that we are completely United States centric. We are not. Is it our base of operations? Yes. Knowing what we know, do you honestly think we care if you cut down a tree or drain a swamp?? No. Think from a catastrophic global view with every resource, person, and skill set having to be taken into account. After taking all of that into account, make do with finite resources in all three – and solve the problem. That is what we do.


No one is being encouraged to be more ‘dependant’. It is just the logical outcome of complex systems. An example would be walking 100 miles vs. driving an automobile. Walking requires yourself, maybe a bag with some water and food. The water you get at a stream, the food you grow from seed in the forest. An automobile requires fuel (and all related extraction and refining processes), multiple inter-dependent moving parts machined to high tolerances in factories running off more fuel. These parts come from all corners of the globe – rubber, wood, petrol-chemical plastics, various alloys. Don’t forget all of the equipment required to extract the base products of these parts. I could go on and on. The point is: Being inter-dependent gives you more capability and in some cases more freedom. Would you rather be free from “parts reliance” OR would you rather have the freedom to get where you want to go when you want – quickly. It is up to you, not us.

Again, you take a nation-state centric view. You also assume that we control things we honestly don’t care about. If parents are not willing to help educate their children, we cannot help you no matter where you live. You are worried about fluoride, aspartame, mercury, vaccines, hormones, etc, etc??? I am worried about the survival of the human species from a near extinction event. I should not write this, but since the GLP population is relatively low and information dissemination is rather limited I will: You have fallen victim to one of our most basic ploys. I understand what you are saying and why you are upset – but you are worried about hormones in your food when what I am saying is as follows: THERE WILL BE NO FOOD. At any price. With or without hormones. THERE WILL BE NO “WATER SUPPLY”. Not as you know it. Clean, drinkable, and that will not kill you, fluoride be damned. THERE WILL BE NO DIET SOFT DRINKS. There will be no need for a diet. I could go on and on. Do you not understand the gravity of the situation??? Have I been posting in the wrong place? People are not turned into ‘useless eaters’, just like people are not turned ‘lazy’. They choose it. Think of it as a test. You have apparently passed that portion of the test, now think about the math section my friend. You are confusing the mid-terms with the final exam.

Yes, we have known for decades what is coming down the pike. Our mathematical models of what you propose indignantly tends to mirror someone yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded movie theatre rather than the hope of mankind. I’m not going to pretend to be ‘benevolent’. All I am saying is that with the information we had, have, and the situation at hand – we really had only once choice. Resources are finite. You assume pricing is an accurate reflection of the resource amount. It is not. Everything is manipulated. Those types of things are done to concentrate resources in as short a period of time as possible. The same with the stock market. You do not really think that your .com stock was ever worth $200 a share, did you? I doubt it, but many people did. Thanks to them, we could concentrate even more REAL resources with paper.

People are not going to be ruthlessly culled – nature will do that for us. We are going to protect as many as we can.

We actually govern very little, we just know which strings to pull. So the bit we do govern (with your so called ‘elected’ leaders) tends to have great weight. We are also setting ourselves up to completely govern IF and only IF things work out for the worst. Preparing for catastrophe is NOT treason. We are not overturning the government. We only prepare. If things work out the way we have calculated, THERE WILL BE NO GOVERNMENT THAT IS RECOGNIZABLE TO OVERTURN. The stakes are that high.

Remember, we try and only ‘redirect’ catastrophes that were going to happen regardless. Anything beyond that is not your decision to make. We took the responsibility because no one else could or would. That makes it ours. The voting public, if left to their own devices have proven time and time again that they would destroy humanity in order sit in front of the television for one more night. NO MORE. WE HAVE PUT OUR FOOT DOWN. There is no choice in the matter. My burden is mine alone to bear. Sympathy is nice, but not requested. It is done. I am writing this for me, not for others (except where there is honest knowledge seeking). I am afraid that you consider this a debate where the outcome can change or that ‘being morally right’ has something to do with the outcome. The decision is ours and ours alone. It has nothing to do with luck. The poor Jews were right and look where it got them. They should have exterminated the Nazis with whatever help they could have gotten when they had the chance and did not. They were “right”. But in the end, so what. We operate on the modified axiom “Reason and Might make Right”. So, both sides are used. By us. For our ends and goals. It just so happens that the overriding goal is the survival of humanity. I will not apologize for that.
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9/18/2005 The rest of this year will be a mess. Within 3 weeks you will see a serious issue with stability of the weather / earth. It will not become obvious until the end of the year / beginning of 06. The resource issues will continue to intensify, but not only as a money issue (i.e. price of gas). There is a mad scramble to sit on or control what is left. Frankly, if we don´t do it, others that would waste it and use it for personal gain, will. Oh, and as an aside, there will be another war within 6 months. It should be quite a ride. I am sorry that I can NOT tell you where, but if you live on U.S. soil, barring an unforeseen attack, you should be fine. I would stay out of major population areas just in case. LA, NY, Washington, and Kansas City (as a communications hub) are assumed major potential targets. At least one will be attacked, we assume. Good luck everyone.
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A second wave of "changes" begins for the nations holiday. Guard yourselves and keep your eyes open. It will simply be the beginning.
How much closer are we to the cataclysm you were talking about?

The second cut point begins the 4th (Is 535 talking about the 4th of July, 2006?). The Hurricanes and "natural" issues with the earth will be painfully obvious. This time, it will not simply be one large American city. The time for the concentration of American power for our purposes is at hand. There is no choice.

How long before martial law is declared? Martial law will only be declared in major cities at first. NO was the testbed. You will see it occur again this year (2006) in another. If it is successful, possibly two.

What is planned for Latin America? HC is problamatic. He will be eliminated within 10 months (From 6/24/2006). At that point in time, Bolivia will also fall into line. LA resources will then be firmly in our grasp for the logical use by the few for the survival of the many.

Are you talking about another false flag op occuring?

Most major events are manufactured. Regardless, some are larger in scope than others. Another large false flag operation will occur. It will occur either in New York City or L.A. At this point, it depends on non-informed security skill, final ship locations, and the general weakness of both locations.

6/30/2006 Keep your eyes open this weekend. I will return very soon, but for now I have much work to complete. Please reference the date of my first post and what has happened since then as a token of sincerity. Perhaps even as a touch of guilt.

Good luck to all.

Unfortunately for us, North Korea is having serious problems with their missile systems. I will make it easy. I posted (check the date) about looking to the sky. On the fourth. Also, about a coastal city (for the record, LA was chosen). I also posted RE: war before Israel restarted their "situation". The timing was clear.

I will make it even easier. The Taepodong 2 was supposed to make it farther. Much farther. At that point (where only American forces and their allies could track with 100% certainty), another "Taepodong 2" was to be launched. From a ship. To LA. Thus, your next war.

We have not decided if we will try again or just simply try something different. I may post again. I may not. I think I was far to clear on this and no one figured out the obvious - even when given more information than the general public, most if not all cannot see the big picture. What a shame. It matters not to me, as none can oppose or stop us. This was simply for your edification. Goodbye.

8/7/2006 Get ready for a serious problem. It will be loud and explosive in nature. Plans will continue quite nicely. TODAY. That is all I can say. Good Luck.

Be prepared: October 11, 2006. (+/- 1 day) Destruction. (Assuming an important world leader does not fall deathly ill at an inopportune moment again.)

(posted 12/9/2006)Unfortunately for us all, there is no such thing as "luck".

I will return when:

1. I feel safe.

2. A certain political situation has run it's due course (please refer to other posts for that information)

3. Stage 2 is well underway
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That`s all for now, until 535 posts again. The latest is that May 17th is a day to get our attention.
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The Definitive 535 Thread aye?

I hope after this he starts referring to himself as "The poster formerly known as 535" 0)+->

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He gets about does ol` 535.
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Thanks OP and 535 for all of the information.

What if this is all in vain, and that the human population, in its current form, was never intended to survive the coming changes? What if the coming changes are the "correcting hand" of the universe, sweeping by to bring things back into balance? What then 535? In the end, please understand I do understand what you are trying to do and why. Do you? WHY, 535, is it so very important to you and your kind that the species survive? You have told us many things on the physical level, but I believe that they are all in vain.

This cycle cant really be stopped...all we can do is "prepare" but even those like you dont know exactly what we are in for, do you? You have an idea, but that is not a well conceived, fully understood, and pre-simulated event. As you said "too many variables"...or did you only use this phrase to describe the choices of humans(general population)...or both?

I also have an idea of what we are in for. Your advice, and all your planning and everything you do is for the protection and survival of the human species. The Divine plan is to reabsorb every conciousness back into itself, thus becoming fully self-aware at all levels. It is my belief that one of these plans will succeed, but only one.

Let us say that the Icke information is correct, and that the "reality" we live in is a self-sustaining entity, that uses human fear as it's power source. This fear generated from the subconcious minds of all human beings. The more people around the more power to be snagged... Looking at it this way it is easy to see what is actually behind "your" [535 et crew's] motivations. Humans would HAVE to survive, in thier current form, in order to continue to uphold the preceived universe.

Now 535 take a look at a DNA strand, you have the capacity i am sure. Notice the redundancy there? Notice the built in capacity for self correcting? Your plans are in vain, as you can see, the self correcting Divine is continuing to move towards it's goal.

I may be wrong, but I believe there is no need to fight this change, regardless of the affect on the physical. But I and my kind see things differently than you and your kind. My people have never needed a "book" to understand and know the Divine Source.
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If you have not been givens plans for your survival which it sounds like you haven't, then you are going to be part of the population reduction.

Hint Paraguay.
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ever see lost? ben never lies...
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Population reduction. Hey at least Im part of some plan!! Im going to party it up now though, knowing that Im part of the reduction anyway. What do i have to lose? This doesnt remind me of the 2003 no fly by of planet X. nope not at all.

Seriously, all partying aside, everyone is going to witness population reduction, everyone will be a part of it, and everyone will be reduced. Plan plan plan...work towards the plan...go go go...but it wont work, it simply cant work, its not part of the inherent design. Period. The true plan the One plan will continue as previously scheduled, and will continue without interruption, as it has since the "beginning".
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WOW ..... WHY??????

Further INFORMATION Op..

Stay out of California. If you are there, you must leave.

Stay out of Florida. If you are there, you must leave.

Stay out of New York. If you are there, you must leave.

Stay out of London. You should leave there sooner than later.

Stay out of Paris. You should leave there sooner than later.

Stay out of Hong Kong. You should leave there as soon as possible.

STAY OUT OF ROME.

STAY OUT OF MOSCOW.

STAY OUT OF WARSAW.

Stay out of VLADIVOSTOK. You should leave there as soon as possible.

All of these locations are "cities of note and list", and I will say no more on that matter.

The big nuclear fire will make it's appearance this year.

Solar output to Earth absorption ratio will make the big fire seem small in many ways on a day to day basis for the general population.

This next Christmas season will be FAR FAR FAR worse and more dangerous than the last. East.
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Thanks OP and 535 for all of the information.

What if this is all in vain, and that the human population, in its current form, was never intended to survive the coming changes? What if the coming changes are the "correcting hand" of the universe, sweeping by to bring things back into balance? What then 535? In the end, please understand I do understand what you are trying to do and why. Do you? WHY, 535, is it so very important to you and your kind that the species survive? You have told us many things on the physical level, but I believe that they are all in vain.

This cycle cant really be stopped...all we can do is "prepare" but even those like you dont know exactly what we are in for, do you? You have an idea, but that is not a well conceived, fully understood, and pre-simulated event. As you said "too many variables"...or did you only use this phrase to describe the choices of humans(general population)...or both?

I also have an idea of what we are in for. Your advice, and all your planning and everything you do is for the protection and survival of the human species. The Divine plan is to reabsorb every conciousness back into itself, thus becoming fully self-aware at all levels. It is my belief that one of these plans will succeed, but only one.

Let us say that the Icke information is correct, and that the "reality" we live in is a self-sustaining entity, that uses human fear as it's power source. This fear generated from the subconcious minds of all human beings. The more people around the more power to be snagged... Looking at it this way it is easy to see what is actually behind "your" [535 et crew's] motivations. Humans would HAVE to survive, in thier current form, in order to continue to uphold the preceived universe.

Now 535 take a look at a DNA strand, you have the capacity i am sure. Notice the redundancy there? Notice the built in capacity for self correcting? Your plans are in vain, as you can see, the self correcting Divine is continuing to move towards it's goal.

I may be wrong, but I believe there is no need to fight this change, regardless of the affect on the physical. But I and my kind see things differently than you and your kind. My people have never needed a "book" to understand and know the Divine Source.
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Your welcome Dexter. You make some good points. I`ll be interested to see what 535 has to say about them.
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Thanks OP and 535 for all of the information.

What if this is all in vain, and that the human population, in its current form, was never intended to survive the coming changes? What if the coming changes are the "correcting hand" of the universe, sweeping by to bring things back into balance? What then 535? In the end, please understand I do understand what you are trying to do and why. Do you? WHY, 535, is it so very important to you and your kind that the species survive? You have told us many things on the physical level, but I believe that they are all in vain.

This cycle cant really be stopped...all we can do is "prepare" but even those like you dont know exactly what we are in for, do you? You have an idea, but that is not a well conceived, fully understood, and pre-simulated event. As you said "too many variables"...or did you only use this phrase to describe the choices of humans(general population)...or both?

I also have an idea of what we are in for. Your advice, and all your planning and everything you do is for the protection and survival of the human species. The Divine plan is to reabsorb every conciousness back into itself, thus becoming fully self-aware at all levels. It is my belief that one of these plans will succeed, but only one.

Let us say that the Icke information is correct, and that the "reality" we live in is a self-sustaining entity, that uses human fear as it's power source. This fear generated from the subconcious minds of all human beings. The more people around the more power to be snagged... Looking at it this way it is easy to see what is actually behind "your" [535 et crew's] motivations. Humans would HAVE to survive, in thier current form, in order to continue to uphold the preceived universe.

Now 535 take a look at a DNA strand, you have the capacity i am sure. Notice the redundancy there? Notice the built in capacity for self correcting? Your plans are in vain, as you can see, the self correcting Divine is continuing to move towards it's goal.

I may be wrong, but I believe there is no need to fight this change, regardless of the affect on the physical. But I and my kind see things differently than you and your kind. My people have never needed a "book" to understand and know the Divine Source.
 Quoting: Dexter 77653


You`re welcome Dexter. You make some good points. I`ll be interested to see what 535 has to say about them.

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