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| Emperor Kenton
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5/27/2007 10:00 PM
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Quoting the last authentic Republican President:
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." --President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1952 |
| Anonymous Coward
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5/27/2007 10:04 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
Ron Paul in the US House of Representatives, February 13, 2003
Mr. Speaker, no one can deny that welfare programs have undermined America's moral fabric and constitutional system. Therefore, all those concerned with restoring liberty and protecting civil society from the maw of the omnipotent state should support efforts to eliminate the welfare state, or, at the very least, reduce federal control over the provision of social services. Unfortunately, the misnamed Personal Responsibility, Work, and Family Promotion Act (H.R. 4) actually increases the unconstitutional federal welfare state and thus undermines personal responsibility, the work ethic, and the family.
H.R. 4 reauthorizes the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) block grant program, the main federal welfare program. Mr. Speaker, increasing federal funds always increases federal control, as the recipients of the funds must tailor their programs to meet federal mandates and regulations. More importantly, since federal funds represent resources taken out of the hands of private individuals, increasing federal funding leaves fewer resources available for the voluntary provision of social services, which, as I will explain in more detail later, is a more effective, moral, and constitutional means of meeting the needs of the poor.
H.R. 4 further increases federal control over welfare policy by increasing federal mandates on welfare recipients. This bill even goes so far as to dictate to states how they must spend their own funds! Many of the new mandates imposed by this legislation concern work requirements. Of course, Mr. Speaker, there is a sound argument for requiring recipients of welfare benefits to work. Among other benefits, a work requirement can help welfare recipients obtain useful job skills and thus increase the likelihood that they will find productive employment. However, forcing welfare recipients to work does raise valid concerns regarding how much control over one's life should be ceded to the government in exchange for government benefits.
In addition, Mr. Speaker, it is highly unlikely that a "one-size-fits-all'' approach dictated from Washington will meet the diverse needs of every welfare recipient in every state and locality in the nation. Proponents of this bill claim to support allowing states, localities, and private charities the flexibility to design welfare-to-work programs that fit their particular circumstances. Yet, this proposal constricts the ability of the states to design welfare-to-work programs that meet the unique needs of their citizens. I also question the wisdom of imposing as much as $11 billion in unfunded mandates on the states at a time when many are facing a fiscal crisis.
As former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura pointed out in reference to this proposal's effects on Minnesota's welfare-to-welfare work program, "We know what we are doing in Minnesota works. We have evidence. And our way of doing things has broad support in the state. Why should we be forced by the federal government to put our system at risk?'' Why indeed, Mr. Speaker, should any state be forced to abandon its individual welfare programs because a group of self-appointed experts in Congress, the federal bureaucracy, and inside-the-beltway think tanks have decided there is only one correct way to transition people from welfare to work?
Mr. Speaker, H.R. 4 further expands the reach of the federal government by authorizing approximately $10 million dollars for new "marriage promotion'' programs. I certainly recognize how the welfare state has contributed to the decline of the institution of marriage. As an ob-gyn with over 30 years of private practice, I know better than most the importance of stable, two parent families to a healthy society. However, I am skeptical, to say the least, of claims that government education programs can fix the deep-rooted cultural problems responsible for the decline of the American family.
Furthermore, Mr. Speaker, federal promotion of marriage opens the door for a level of social engineering that should worry all those concerned with preserving a free society. The federal government has no constitutional authority to promote any particular social arrangement; instead, the founders recognized that people are better off when they form their own social arrangements free from federal interference. The history of the failed experiments with welfarism and socialism shows that government can only destroy a culture; when a government tries to build a culture, it only further erodes the people's liberty.
H.R. 4 further raises serious privacy concerns by expanding the use of the "New Hires Database" to allow states to use the database to verify unemployment claims. The New Hires Database contains the name and social security number of everyone lawfully employed in the United States. Increasing the states' ability to identify fraudulent unemployment claims is a worthwhile public policy goal. However, every time Congress authorizes a new use for the New Hires Database it takes a step toward transforming it into a universal national database that can be used by government officials to monitor the lives of American citizens.
As with all proponents of welfare programs, the supporters of H.R. 4 show a remarkable lack of trust in the American people. They would have us believe that without the federal government, the lives of the poor would be "nasty, brutish and short." However, as scholar Sheldon Richman of the Future of Freedom Foundation and others have shown, voluntary charities and organizations, such as friendly societies that devoted themselves to helping those in need, flourished in the days before the welfare state turned charity into a government function.
Today, government welfare programs have supplemented the old-style private programs. One major reason for this is that the policies of high taxes and inflationary Federal Reserve money imposed on the American people in order to finance the welfare state have reduced the income available for charitable giving. Many over-taxed Americans take the attitude toward private charity that "I give at the (tax) office."
Releasing the charitable impulses of the American people by freeing them from the excessive tax burden so they can devote more of their resources to charity, is a moral and constitutional means of helping the needy. By contrast, the federal welfare state is neither moral nor constitutional. Nowhere in the Constitution is the federal government given the power to levy excessive taxes on one group of citizens for the benefit of another group of citizens. Many of the founders would have been horrified to see modern politicians define compassion as giving away other people's money stolen through confiscatory taxation. In the words of the famous essay by former Congressman Davy Crockett, this money is "Not Yours to Give.''
Voluntary charities also promote self-reliance, but government welfare programs foster dependency. In fact, it is in the self-interest of the bureaucrats and politicians who control the welfare state to encourage dependency. After all, when a private organization moves a person off welfare, the organization has fulfilled its mission and proved its worth to donors. In contrast, when people leave government welfare programs, they have deprived federal bureaucrats of power and of a justification for a larger amount of taxpayer funding.
In conclusion, H.R. 4 furthers federal control over welfare programs by imposing new mandates on the states, which furthers unconstitutional interference in matters best left to state and local governments, and individuals. Therefore, I urge my colleagues to oppose it. Instead, I hope my colleagues will learn the lessons of the failure of the welfare state and embrace a constitutional and compassionate agenda of returning control over the welfare programs to the American people.
Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.
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| malu 
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5/27/2007 10:04 PM
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from what i have read, he does not believe in a welfare state, and the money would be better used on a local level, through churches and other non profit organizations, there by decreasing dependency on a bloated federal government, and the votes that go with it
which i can appreciate,, btw, he is not republican, but a libertarian running on a republican ticket
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
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| Emperor Kenton
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5/27/2007 10:09 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
I do hope Mr. Paul realizes the actual significance of social programs
not a Commie thing... not even an act of gooey-eyed benevolence
If the populace gets hungry it gets desperate and mean, rather unruly.
Social programs are all about the rich keeping their heads attached to their shoulders. |
| Anonymous Coward
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5/27/2007 10:10 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
Quoting the last authentic Republican President:
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." --President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1952 Quoting: Emperor Kenton 213340
How much in the way of public funds does he have to work with?
The US has been plunged into crippling debt by the Israeli war for Jewish Talmudists.
He wants to piss off the Jewish currency printers at the Fed that have created a rug which is going to be pulled from underneath the US economy any day now. All that it is backed by is a promise but with the amount of barefaced lying going on at present within Washington DC, who could blame a foreign nation from dumping USD holdings?
Whether Ron Paul is voted in or not, the honeymoon is over for the United States. At least Paul is saying that he will make the tough decisions to allow the economy to begin rehabilitating itself. With the rest of the fuckers, the downward spiral into total economic oblivion will continue unabated. |
| malu
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5/27/2007 10:11 PM
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Quoting the last authentic Republican President:
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." --President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1952
How much in the way of public funds does he have to work with?
The US has been plunged into crippling debt by the Israeli war for Jewish Talmudists.
He wants to piss off the Jewish currency printers at the Fed that have created a rug which is going to be pulled from underneath the US economy any day now. All that it is backed by is a promise but with the amount of barefaced lying going on at present within Washington DC, who could blame a foreign nation from dumping USD holdings?
Whether Ron Paul is voted in or not, the honeymoon is over for the United States. At least Paul is saying that he will make the tough decisions to allow the economy to begin rehabilitating itself. With the rest of the fuckers, the downward spiral into total economic oblivion will continue unabated. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 241652
Amen, that, is the truth, all of it!
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
| Anonymous Coward
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5/27/2007 10:12 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
Whether Ron Paul is voted in or not, the honeymoon is over for the United States. At least Paul is saying that he will make the tough decisions to allow the economy to begin rehabilitating itself. With the rest of the fuckers, the downward spiral into total economic oblivion will continue unabated. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 241652
Debt: the unbridled cost of war |
| Anonymous Coward
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5/27/2007 10:13 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
I do hope Mr. Paul realizes the actual significance of social programs
not a Commie thing... not even an act of gooey-eyed benevolence
If the populace gets hungry it gets desperate and mean, rather unruly.
Social programs are all about the rich keeping their heads attached to their shoulders. Quoting: Emperor Kenton 213340
He doesn't have a problem with social programs. Its FEDERAL CONTROL that he doesn't support. The money is going to have to come from somewhere, and there will need to be rules. Should the FED collect and distribute the money and make the rules, or should States and counties be able to collect their own money and make their own rules?
Does one size fit all 50? |
| ActionandCruelty
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5/27/2007 10:16 PM
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Does anyone have any credible websites on the Gold Standard?
"he who is the author of a war, lets loose the whole contagion of hell, and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death." - Thomas Paine (the crisis) |
| Emperor Kenton
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5/27/2007 10:19 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
NEEDED NOW: to figure out what a nation really is beyond a territory defined in myth.
Is a nation all business on behalf of the military/Industrial Complex. Cue Ike on this...
A warrior/merchant entity?
A people?
A civilization? |
| mathetes
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5/27/2007 10:30 PM
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Quoting the last authentic Republican President:
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." --President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1952 Quoting: Emperor Kenton 213340
Great quote and very true your eminence! And its the main reason I'm against Ron(I think its 1807)Paul.
"The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.
The command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory.
John Quincy Adams |
| ActionandCruelty
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5/27/2007 10:35 PM
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I'm not quite sure I understand. Explain how he's against any of what the quote states?
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs"
He never said he was going to abolish social security, unemployed insurance, or eliminate labor laws or farm programs.
"he who is the author of a war, lets loose the whole contagion of hell, and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death." - Thomas Paine (the crisis) |
| Anonymous Coward
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5/27/2007 10:43 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
I'm not quite sure I understand. Explain how he's against any of what the quote states?
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs"
He never said he was going to abolish social security, unemployed insurance, or eliminate labor laws or farm programs. Quoting: ActionandCruelty
I posed the question because I do not know Paul's stance on Social programs. |
| mathetes
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5/27/2007 10:51 PM
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I'm not quite sure I understand. Explain how he's against any of what the quote states?
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs"
He never said he was going to abolish social security, unemployed insurance, or eliminate labor laws or farm programs. Quoting: ActionandCruelty
Heres Pauls answer to your question from Project Vote smart: Greatly Decrease a) AIDS Programs
Greatly Decrease b) Arts funding
Greatly Decrease c) Education (K-12)
Greatly Decrease d) Environmental programs
Greatly Decrease e) Housing projects
Greatly Decrease f) Job training programs
Greatly Decrease g) Law enforcement
Greatly Decrease h) Medicaid
Greatly Decrease i) Medicare
Greatly Decrease j) NASA
Greatly Decrease k) Student loan programs
Greatly Decrease l) Welfare (AFDC)
[link to www.vote-smart.org]
"The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.
The command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory.
John Quincy Adams |
| Emperor Kenton
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5/27/2007 10:55 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
I personally believe that political platitudes, including the sacred Constitutional values can only be addressed after facing issues most raw and basic...
...such as food and shelter. |
| ActionandCruelty
User ID: 180240
5/27/2007 11:07 PM
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I'm not quite sure I understand. Explain how he's against any of what the quote states?
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs"
He never said he was going to abolish social security, unemployed insurance, or eliminate labor laws or farm programs.
Heres Pauls answer to your question from Project Vote smart: Greatly Decrease a) AIDS Programs
Greatly Decrease b) Arts funding
Greatly Decrease c) Education (K-12)
Greatly Decrease d) Environmental programs
Greatly Decrease e) Housing projects
Greatly Decrease f) Job training programs
Greatly Decrease g) Law enforcement
Greatly Decrease h) Medicaid
Greatly Decrease i) Medicare
Greatly Decrease j) NASA
Greatly Decrease k) Student loan programs
Greatly Decrease l) Welfare (AFDC)
[ link to www.vote-smart.org]
I'm confused. So, Ron Paul did this test? Or is this what the website marked according to what they believe he would mark?
"he who is the author of a war, lets loose the whole contagion of hell, and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death." - Thomas Paine (the crisis) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 241652
5/27/2007 11:10 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
I'm not quite sure I understand. Explain how he's against any of what the quote states?
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs"
He never said he was going to abolish social security, unemployed insurance, or eliminate labor laws or farm programs.
Heres Pauls answer to your question from Project Vote smart: Greatly Decrease a) AIDS Programs
Greatly Decrease b) Arts funding
Greatly Decrease c) Education (K-12)
Greatly Decrease d) Environmental programs
Greatly Decrease e) Housing projects
Greatly Decrease f) Job training programs
Greatly Decrease g) Law enforcement
Greatly Decrease h) Medicaid
Greatly Decrease i) Medicare
Greatly Decrease j) NASA
Greatly Decrease k) Student loan programs
Greatly Decrease l) Welfare (AFDC)
[ link to www.vote-smart.org]
Greatly Decrease m)Funding for Jew wars they instigate
He's got my vote on the basis of m) alone. |
| Anonymous Coward
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5/27/2007 11:10 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
I'm not quite sure I understand. Explain how he's against any of what the quote states?
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs"
He never said he was going to abolish social security, unemployed insurance, or eliminate labor laws or farm programs.
Heres Pauls answer to your question from Project Vote smart: Greatly Decrease a) AIDS Programs
Greatly Decrease b) Arts funding
Greatly Decrease c) Education (K-12)
Greatly Decrease d) Environmental programs
Greatly Decrease e) Housing projects
Greatly Decrease f) Job training programs
Greatly Decrease g) Law enforcement
Greatly Decrease h) Medicaid
Greatly Decrease i) Medicare
Greatly Decrease j) NASA
Greatly Decrease k) Student loan programs
Greatly Decrease l) Welfare (AFDC)
[ link to www.vote-smart.org]
hy have a nation at all?
If the basis of Conservative politics is to enforce some Darwinian process, then quit pretending to cook up a phony-baloney nation.
The hunter gathering society best serves the Darwin trip. Anarchy better serves.
Range around Martha's Vineyard and hunt pet pomeranians.
Maybe we should elect a Chief of the Lakota to direct the show. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 241652
5/27/2007 11:14 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
I'm not quite sure I understand. Explain how he's against any of what the quote states?
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs"
He never said he was going to abolish social security, unemployed insurance, or eliminate labor laws or farm programs.
Heres Pauls answer to your question from Project Vote smart: Greatly Decrease a) AIDS Programs
Greatly Decrease b) Arts funding
Greatly Decrease c) Education (K-12)
Greatly Decrease d) Environmental programs
Greatly Decrease e) Housing projects
Greatly Decrease f) Job training programs
Greatly Decrease g) Law enforcement
Greatly Decrease h) Medicaid
Greatly Decrease i) Medicare
Greatly Decrease j) NASA
Greatly Decrease k) Student loan programs
Greatly Decrease l) Welfare (AFDC)
[ link to www.vote-smart.org]
hy have a nation at all?
If the basis of Conservative politics is to enforce some Darwinian process, then quit pretending to cook up a phony-baloney nation.
The hunter gathering society best serves the Darwin trip. Anarchy better serves.
Range around Martha's Vineyard and hunt pet pomeranians.
Maybe we should elect a Chief of the Lakota to direct the show.
Where is the money going to come from?
Print some more, you reckon.
Either the US takes it medicine now or it dies within a decade.
Continue living in fantasy land mainlining cheap credit - living the "American Dream" or start building a proper, sustainable foundation that cannot be so readily manipulated by preying outsiders. |
| mathetes
User ID: 233081
5/27/2007 11:15 PM
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I'm not quite sure I understand. Explain how he's against any of what the quote states?
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs"
He never said he was going to abolish social security, unemployed insurance, or eliminate labor laws or farm programs.
Heres Pauls answer to your question from Project Vote smart: Greatly Decrease a) AIDS Programs
Greatly Decrease b) Arts funding
Greatly Decrease c) Education (K-12)
Greatly Decrease d) Environmental programs
Greatly Decrease e) Housing projects
Greatly Decrease f) Job training programs
Greatly Decrease g) Law enforcement
Greatly Decrease h) Medicaid
Greatly Decrease i) Medicare
Greatly Decrease j) NASA
Greatly Decrease k) Student loan programs
Greatly Decrease l) Welfare (AFDC)
[ link to www.vote-smart.org]
I'm confused. So, Ron Paul did this test? Or is this what the website marked according to what they believe he would mark?
Ron Paul himself answered these and other questions!
"The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.
The command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory.
John Quincy Adams |
| Anonymous Coward
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5/27/2007 11:22 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
I am a supporter of Ron and I believe this is a legitimate question. We know he will proactively respond to the Iraqi war by immediate withdraw, we know he will immediately make moves to send illegal immigrants back home, we know he'll open debate about the state of our IRS system.
What will he do about the welfare state? First, I imagine, he'll put it more sqarely on individual state governments to divise their own systems of welfare, which makes sense if the federal government is no longer collecting as much in tax revenue as a result of his changes in the IRS code.
He's no fool and I look forward to hearing more of what he has to say. |
| Anonymous Coward
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5/27/2007 11:25 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
He never said he was going to abolish social security,
Where is the money going to come from?
Print some more, you reckon.
Either the US takes it medicine now or it dies within a decade.
Continue living in fantasy land mainlining cheap credit - living the "American Dream" or start building a proper, sustainable foundation that cannot be so readily manipulated by preying outsiders. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 241652
Ron Paul:
Greatly Decrease g) Law enforcement
This would then for the more swarthy and hungry ease certain barriers concerning the acquisition of money, wouldn't it?
Likewise the Elites might have to fund their own security then everyone would be poor.
By God, I get it, starting over! |
| Anonymous Coward
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5/27/2007 11:29 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
Vote Smart just rates candidates according their voting records. If you want to know how Ron Paul thinks, see his voting record, and his speeches/writings. Do NOT rely on any other site to "do your thinking for you" (as Rush Limbaugh does for his ditto heads).
Ron Paul is NOT a Libertarian. Yes, he ran on their ticket, but there is division among Libertarians on many issues. And, yes, he is currently a Republican, and we know he is at odds with his neoCON party. Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist. Country before party, ALWAYS.
The wefare state was designed to keep people poor, and under control. As Ron Paul stated, it provides jobs for bureaucrats. Under a Constitutional system, there will be BILLIONS not being pissed away on government jobs, and benefits. That money will be in the local economies, and poor people will do WAY better. Ron Paul has also acknowledged that we have created institutionalized poverty - a dependent class, and that a period of transition will be required to return people to freedom and independence. He's not going to jerk the rug our from under anyone but the banksters. |
| ActionandCruelty
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5/27/2007 11:30 PM
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Ron Paul himself answered these and other questions! Quoting: mathetes
Thank you for the website. This will help me research some of Ron Paul's position more clearly.
Greatly Decrease a) AIDS Programs
Greatly Decrease b) Arts funding
Greatly Decrease c) Education (K-12)
Greatly Decrease d) Environmental programs
Greatly Decrease e) Housing projects
Greatly Decrease f) Job training programs
Greatly Decrease g) Law enforcement
Greatly Decrease h) Medicaid
Greatly Decrease i) Medicare
Greatly Decrease j) NASA
Greatly Decrease k) Student loan programs
Greatly Decrease l) Welfare (AFDC)
m) Other
Greatly Decrease n) Other
o) Other
He wants to increase the State's role in decision making and decrease Federal government. I don't think he's seriously against education, law enforcement, ect.
Many makes the whole, not the whole makes the many.
"he who is the author of a war, lets loose the whole contagion of hell, and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death." - Thomas Paine (the crisis) |
| Anonymous Coward
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5/27/2007 11:31 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
I am a supporter of Ron and I believe this is a legitimate question. We know he will proactively respond to the Iraqi war by immediate withdraw, we know he will immediately make moves to send illegal immigrants back home, we know he'll open debate about the state of our IRS system.
What will he do about the welfare state? First, I imagine, he'll put it more sqarely on individual state governments to divise their own systems of welfare, which makes sense if the federal government is no longer collecting as much in tax revenue as a result of his changes in the IRS code.
He's no fool and I look forward to hearing more of what he has to say. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 241672
He won't be opening any debate on the IRS. He said he would abolish it as soon as he takes office. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 147938
5/27/2007 11:33 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
Ron Paul himself answered these and other questions!
Thank you for the website. This will help me research some of Ron Paul's position more clearly.
Greatly Decrease a) AIDS Programs
Greatly Decrease b) Arts funding
Greatly Decrease c) Education (K-12)
Greatly Decrease d) Environmental programs
Greatly Decrease e) Housing projects
Greatly Decrease f) Job training programs
Greatly Decrease g) Law enforcement
Greatly Decrease h) Medicaid
Greatly Decrease i) Medicare
Greatly Decrease j) NASA
Greatly Decrease k) Student loan programs
Greatly Decrease l) Welfare (AFDC)
m) Other
Greatly Decrease n) Other
o) Other
He wants to increase the State's role in decision making and decrease Federal government. I don't think he's seriously against education, law enforcement, ect.
Many makes the whole, not the whole makes the many. Quoting: ActionandCruelty
That's right. Under the Constitution, the role of the federal government is VERY limited. Power is returned to the people, and made LOCAL, where government is ACCOUNTABLE. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 147938
5/27/2007 11:34 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
Ron Paul himself answered these and other questions!
Thank you for the website. This will help me research some of Ron Paul's position more clearly.
Greatly Decrease a) AIDS Programs
Greatly Decrease b) Arts funding
Greatly Decrease c) Education (K-12)
Greatly Decrease d) Environmental programs
Greatly Decrease e) Housing projects
Greatly Decrease f) Job training programs
Greatly Decrease g) Law enforcement
Greatly Decrease h) Medicaid
Greatly Decrease i) Medicare
Greatly Decrease j) NASA
Greatly Decrease k) Student loan programs
Greatly Decrease l) Welfare (AFDC)
m) Other
Greatly Decrease n) Other
o) Other
He wants to increase the State's role in decision making and decrease Federal government. I don't think he's seriously against education, law enforcement, ect.
Many makes the whole, not the whole makes the many. Quoting: ActionandCruelty
That's right. Under the Constitution, the role of the federal government is VERY limited. Power is returned to the people, and made LOCAL, where government is ACCOUNTABLE. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 235944
5/27/2007 11:40 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
RP is for the states rights, not the federal goverments. the way the united states were set up. you know... United... States?? this is not the USSA. |
| Emperor Kenton
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5/27/2007 11:42 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
That's right. Under the Constitution, the role of the federal government is VERY limited. Power is returned to the people, and made LOCAL, where government is ACCOUNTABLE. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 147938
All of the people? Does this include bankers and bank robbers, saints and winos, folks in mansions, folks on the streets?
With the ranks of Johnny Law seriously reduced what will the 1% Elite ever do? They will be wearing a bullseye!
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| Emperor Kenton
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5/27/2007 11:47 PM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
Have we ever considered that what we have now is precisely Constitutional America-- with the addition of a few hundred million more people and a disproportianate loss of the "bison herds". |
| Emperor Kenton
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5/28/2007 12:04 AM | | Re: What is Ron Paul's stance on social programs? | Quote |
I might support RP mostly out of curiosity to see what a roll-back would actually do.
At the same time I suspect he mifgr be living in la-la land--
BECAUSE what we have now is exactly the Founding Fathers format, combined with unchecked cowboy Capitalism Deadwood-style, loss of resources and a much greater population which is by the way growing really fast [have you noticed]
The best thing RP could do is stop the old money pirate Oligarchy from selling the country to the Saudis or the Chinese prior to their hasty retreat to Paraguay. |
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