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| Lady Wolf Offer Upgrade  User ID: 241670  United States05/28/2007 12:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 174378 United States05/28/2007 12:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if the Gog-Magog conflict, which goes nuclear, extends to a much larger sphere and includes the essential destruction of the U.S. as a major power and creates enough worldwide chaos so that the whole world accepts the peacemaker? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 243055  Sweden05/28/2007 12:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's what people don't understand: The Israel you speak of isn't the real Israel. The true Israel is the people who follow GOD the way he wishes. As long as man denies YESHUA, they cannot enter Heaven. That means a lot of jews who believe they are "GOD's chosen people" will be surprised when they die. Satan would have you believe, however, that the physical Israel in the middle east is GOD's Israel....when in reality it is New Babylon. When forces surround the false Israel and Israel uses its nuclear arsenal to destroy them, the world will be fooled into believing that they are GOD's chosen people. |
| Lady Wolf (OP) User ID: 241670 United States05/28/2007 01:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if the Gog-Magog conflict, which goes nuclear, extends to a much larger sphere and includes the essential destruction of the U.S. as a major power and creates enough worldwide chaos so that the whole world accepts the peacemaker? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 174378This too is a possible scenario that bears thinking about. I don't think that any probable outcome involving tptb should be lightly dismissed these days. Real truth is self evident... |
| Lady Wolf (OP) User ID: 241670 United States05/28/2007 01:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's what people don't understand: The Israel you speak of isn't the real Israel. The true Israel is the people who follow GOD the way he wishes. As long as man denies YESHUA, they cannot enter Heaven. That means a lot of jews who believe they are "GOD's chosen people" will be surprised when they die. Satan would have you believe, however, that the physical Israel in the middle east is GOD's Israel....when in reality it is New Babylon. When forces surround the false Israel and Israel uses its nuclear arsenal to destroy them, the world will be fooled into believing that they are GOD's chosen people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 243055I too have studied both identities of "Israel" and there seems to be much Biblical support for both of these hypotheses. However, it is my understanding that Israel will be surrounded by her enemies, "checkmate" with no move to save herself = no nuke capability and this is what will finally make her cry out to God who will hear and send her Savior, Jesus Christ whom they killed because they did not believe Him to be the true Messiah. Real truth is self evident... |
| Free Store User ID: 143978  Canada05/28/2007 01:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 243055 Sweden05/28/2007 01:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I too have studied both identities of "Israel" and there seems to be much Biblical support for both of these hypotheses. However, it is my understanding that Israel will be surrounded by her enemies, "checkmate" with no move to save herself = no nuke capability and this is what will finally make her cry out to God who will hear and send her Savior, Jesus Christ whom they killed because they did not believe Him to be the true Messiah. Quoting: Lady WolfGOD sent YESHUA as the jewish messiah and they denied him then....they deny him still. The only way to the father is through the son. That means that they cannot get to Heaven unless they accept YESHUA. Of course it is your understanding that the country of Israel will defeat its surrounding enemies. Satan has deceived the world into believing that false Israel is true Israel. Don't forget, even the very elect will be deceived. It doesn't sound like anybody would be deceived in the scenario you speak of. Time will tell. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 174378 United States05/28/2007 01:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's what people don't understand: The Israel you speak of isn't the real Israel. The true Israel is the people who follow GOD the way he wishes. As long as man denies YESHUA, they cannot enter Heaven. That means a lot of jews who believe they are "GOD's chosen people" will be surprised when they die. Satan would have you believe, however, that the physical Israel in the middle east is GOD's Israel....when in reality it is New Babylon. When forces surround the false Israel and Israel uses its nuclear arsenal to destroy them, the world will be fooled into believing that they are GOD's chosen people. Quoting: Lady WolfI too have studied both identities of "Israel" and there seems to be much Biblical support for both of these hypotheses. However, it is my understanding that Israel will be surrounded by her enemies, "checkmate" with no move to save herself = no nuke capability and this is what will finally make her cry out to God who will hear and send her Savior, Jesus Christ whom they killed because they did not believe Him to be the true Messiah. My understanding is that the Gog-Magog conflict involves God's undeniably miraculous saving of Israel. But then, as a result somehow, they, along with the rest of the world, welcome the antichrist. Then he also turns on them, and then in a larger Holocaust, 2/3 of Israel dies. Only then does a beleagured remnant with literally no remaining other hope, only then do they admit and lament their rejection of Christ and beg His Return. And He does. |
| poppinPJ User ID: 243057  United Kingdom05/28/2007 01:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You asked, "should we try to intervene?" That's what I'm here for!!! However, I feel it's spiritual!  Signs of the Second Coming of Christ... [link to 100777.com] |
| Gradient Get over yourself User ID: 215854 United States05/28/2007 01:34 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The physical land of Israel is something to be considered. The Jews were brought into a very prosperous land. Israel is one of the largest exporters of oranges and fruit on the planet, and the countries around her have trouble growing dirt. One of many examples. But I digress, as for the OPs comment. Any one who wins will not bode well for the state or "state" of Israel. It certainly won't be a conservative, so the new administration will most likely not support Israel.  glptrainer(at)yahoo.com |
| Lady Wolf (OP) User ID: 241670 United States05/28/2007 01:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | believe, Noah built a boat for an impending disaster and took his family and livestock, but i don't believe Noah took every Pair of beast and fowl with him and their feed and labored to clean them/spin Quoting: Free Store 143978I suppose that if this part of the Bible is true, it could only be so if one thought along the lines of a true devine miracle, such as the loaves and fishes one that fed a multitude of people. Real truth is self evident... |
| Lady Wolf (OP) User ID: 241670 United States05/28/2007 01:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOD sent YESHUA as the jewish messiah and they denied him then....they deny him still. The only way to the father is through the son. That means that they cannot get to Heaven unless they accept YESHUA. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 243055Of course it is your understanding that the country of Israel will defeat its surrounding enemies. Satan has deceived the world into believing that false Israel is true Israel. Don't forget, even the very elect will be deceived. It doesn't sound like anybody would be deceived in the scenario you speak of. Time will tell. Actually if you are speaking to the belief that the Israel the Bible speaks to in the last days is the Geographic one, than I do NOT believe she will defeat her enemies, but rather she will cry out to God in her time of trouble and He will send Yeshua to save her. The great deception you speak of is another matter all together, but if it is indeed the election of Ron Paul, then it is my contention that MANY will be deceived by the plans of tptb to elect this man who will, by his new non-interventionist foreign policy, leave Israel vulnerable to attack by her many enemies. Real truth is self evident... |
| Gradient Get over yourself User ID: 215854 United States05/28/2007 01:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Lady Wolf (OP) User ID: 241670 United States05/28/2007 01:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My understanding is that the Gog-Magog conflict involves God's undeniably miraculous saving of Israel. But then, as a result somehow, they, along with the rest of the world, welcome the antichrist. Then he also turns on them, and then in a larger Holocaust, 2/3 of Israel dies. Only then does a beleagured remnant with literally no remaining other hope, only then do they admit and lament their rejection of Christ and beg His Return. And He does. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 174378Indeed, that is also my understanding while studying this topic. She will lose 2/3'ds before Christ returns to save the remnant of her people. Who do you think the "Israel" is of Revelation? Do you lean toward Replacement Theology, (Spiritual Israel) or do you believe that it is talking about the actual nation of Israel? Real truth is self evident... |
| Lady Wolf (OP) User ID: 241670 United States05/28/2007 01:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Jeanne User ID: 243104  Germany05/28/2007 01:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's what people don't understand: The Israel you speak of isn't the real Israel. The true Israel is the people who follow GOD the way he wishes. As long as man denies YESHUA, they cannot enter Heaven. That means a lot of jews who believe they are "GOD's chosen people" will be surprised when they die. Satan would have you believe, however, that the physical Israel in the middle east is GOD's Israel....when in reality it is New Babylon. When forces surround the false Israel and Israel uses its nuclear arsenal to destroy them, the world will be fooled into believing that they are GOD's chosen people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 243055Hey all you people don´t be afraid . All true followers of Jesus Christ will be saved in the coming dark times, just do the right thing and follow the word what Yeshua had said and He is coming for the second time. He promised this about 2000 years ago and this did already happen. I myself have experienced real physical Angels and Jesus Christ himself. He is still alive and just call Him. He will give you a helping hand if you need this. Trust Him and you will be saved in this dangerous times. Yes they are now on earth all thehAngels and Jesus Christ himself. Call them for help and they will help you. But don´t follow this bad and evil leaders they will lead you right way to hell.  |
| Lady Wolf (OP) User ID: 241670 United States05/28/2007 01:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | by his new non-interventionist foreign policy, leave Israel vulnerable to attack by her many enemies. Quoting: GradientMake no mistake..Israel is never "vulnerable" Agreed, but then again we are considered by the world's opinion to be her very formidable ally. Without the US protecting her, I do not believe she would have survived this long, especially when you consider the many arms we have provided her including her arsenal of nukes. Real truth is self evident... |
| ActionandCruelty User ID: 180240 United States05/28/2007 01:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| poppinPJ User ID: 243057 United Kingdom05/28/2007 01:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've been paying attention to the times we are living in, how can I be part of this forum and not? I can't help but think that Ron Paul is going to be playing a very large role in all of this...please here me out. Quoting: Lady WolfFor those of you who believe what the Bible says about Israel being surrounded by its enemies in the last days, and Jesus Christ arriving on scene at the final hour to save them (in more ways than one). Please consider the following possible scenario involving RP and Israel. Assuming that this prophecy is true, and not disinfo. planted by tptb, I have been wondering how Israel will be at the mercy of her enemies if the US is still around to protect her. Until RP showed up on scene, I had come to the conclusion, as I'm sure many of you have, that the US will be taken out of the way. After all, we are allies with Israel, and as the leading super power of the world, we are her body guard. No one will get to her without getting to us first. That said, what if RP's non-interventionist foreign policy is how she will be made vulnerable to her enemies? If this man wins the presidency of the US and then impliments his non-interventionist foreign policy, will this also include the end of our protection of Israel? This is a serious question folks and one that bears pondering! With this in mind, are we playing right into the hands of tptb (whoever or whatever they may be?) Is this man suppose to win in order to take away Israel's protection and begin the final battle that is to culminate in the Middle East that the Bible speaks to? And if this is the plan, as well as the ultimate will of God, can we, or more importantly should we try to intervene? Please keep in mind, I am not asking these questions to discredit who appears to be a very intelligent and well thought out candidate for president, Dr. Paul, rather I am interested in what others on here think about the things I have brought up, and if you think that there could be any merit to this possibility. Just something to think about... This is a serious question folks and one that bears pondering!  Signs of the Second Coming of Christ... [link to 100777.com] |
| Gradient Get over yourself User ID: 215854 United States05/28/2007 01:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | by his new non-interventionist foreign policy, leave Israel vulnerable to attack by her many enemies. Quoting: Lady WolfMake no mistake..Israel is never "vulnerable" Agreed, but then again we are considered by the world's opinion to be her very formidable ally. Without the US protecting her, I do not believe she would have survived this long, especially when you consider the many arms we have provided her including her arsenal of nukes. Well, on the surface that is true, but not necessarily what I was speaking to. Israel has been blessed as i stated above in many different ways. They are being (the physical land) as a people, watched over. If we stop supporting Israel, it's not them that will be in trouble.......it is us. "......bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you...." This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.Zech. 14:12 glptrainer(at)yahoo.com |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 243055 Sweden05/28/2007 01:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Lady Wolf (OP) User ID: 241670 United States05/28/2007 01:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The physical land of Israel is something to be considered. The Jews were brought into a very prosperous land. Israel is one of the largest exporters of oranges and fruit on the planet, and the countries around her have trouble growing dirt. One of many examples. Quoting: GradientBut I digress, as for the OPs comment. Any one who wins will not bode well for the state or "state" of Israel. It certainly won't be a conservative, so the new administration will most likely not support Israel. Gradient, this is a good point, I'm glad you brought it up. I hadn't thought of that, but you could be right! Barring any unforseen complications or better put, "Monkey Wrenches" in the 08 elections, we most likely will have a non-conservative sitting in the White House. However the US has been a supporter of Israel since she became a nation again in 1948 (if my history serves me correct?) So we are talking about a HUGE change in foreign policy where she is concerned if we are to no longer ally ourselves with her. Real truth is self evident... |
| ACDC User ID: 65722  Australia05/28/2007 01:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the Hopi have foretold that Turtle Island (you call it the USA) is largely going to be laid waste by nuclear warfare. You are due to have a war with China next year (refer to the harold interview at www.projectcamelot.net)as a precursor to all this. After that, who can Israel turn to? hmmmm.. Russia and Iran will overrun Isral - no questions asked - regardless of what Christian fundamentalists or Apocalypists say... |
| Lady Wolf (OP) User ID: 241670 United States05/28/2007 01:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The antichrist comes to power because the people of jewish Israel allow him to come to power. Modern day Jews believe that their messiah has not yet arrived. That is why they still deny YESHUA. When he shows up, they will welcome him with open arms. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 243055Do you think that if the US does drop Israel as an ally, this could be the cue this man needs in order to come to power and "save" them or rather gain their trust. After all, they will be left desperate and scared without us backing them and will welcome a "peace maker" with open arms. Real truth is self evident... |
| Gradient Get over yourself User ID: 215854 United States05/28/2007 01:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the Hopi have foretold that Turtle Island (you call it the USA) is largely going to be laid waste by nuclear warfare. You are due to have a war with China next year (refer to the harold interview at www.projectcamelot.net)as a precursor to all this. After that, who can Israel turn to? hmmmm.. Russia and Iran will overrun Isral - no questions asked - regardless of what Christian fundamentalists or Apocalypists say... Quoting: ACDC 65722I find it humorous that you dis-regard prophecy, yet place your truth on the Hopi story of "Turtle Island".... Almost made me smile for a sec. glptrainer(at)yahoo.com |
| Lady Wolf (OP) User ID: 241670 United States05/28/2007 02:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the Hopi have foretold that Turtle Island (you call it the USA) is largely going to be laid waste by nuclear warfare. You are due to have a war with China next year (refer to the harold interview at www.projectcamelot.net)as a precursor to all this. After that, who can Israel turn to? hmmmm.. Russia and Iran will overrun Isral - no questions asked - regardless of what Christian fundamentalists or Apocalypists say... Quoting: ACDC 65722I too have heard these prophecies from other sources, and you could be right. It would seem though that if Dr. Paul does get elected, it could pave the way for another way for the US's hands to be tied where Israel is concerned. It would be interesting if we tie our own hands though wouldn't it. Real truth is self evident... |
| Gradient Get over yourself User ID: 215854 United States05/28/2007 02:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The antichrist comes to power because the people of jewish Israel allow him to come to power. Modern day Jews believe that their messiah has not yet arrived. That is why they still deny YESHUA. When he shows up, they will welcome him with open arms. Quoting: Lady WolfDo you think that if the US does drop Israel as an ally, this could be the cue this man needs in order to come to power and "save" them or rather gain their trust. After all, they will be left desperate and scared without us backing them and will welcome a "peace maker" with open arms. The very thing you are talking bout will set up the peace brokerage that will be broken 3 and a half years into it. Sacrifices will stop, the world will have a very "real", new god, and all hell will literally break loose. glptrainer(at)yahoo.com |
| ActionandCruelty User ID: 180240 United States05/28/2007 02:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We should be supporting Israel and Palestine equally. We shouldn't be playing favorites. And people wonder why so many Middle Eastern countries hold indignation towards The Unites States. "he who is the author of a war, lets loose the whole contagion of hell, and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death." - Thomas Paine (the crisis) |
| Lady Wolf (OP) User ID: 241670 United States05/28/2007 02:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | by his new non-interventionist foreign policy, leave Israel vulnerable to attack by her many enemies. Quoting: GradientMake no mistake..Israel is never "vulnerable" Agreed, but then again we are considered by the world's opinion to be her very formidable ally. Without the US protecting her, I do not believe she would have survived this long, especially when you consider the many arms we have provided her including her arsenal of nukes. Well, on the surface that is true, but not necessarily what I was speaking to. Israel has been blessed as i stated above in many different ways. They are being (the physical land) as a people, watched over. If we stop supporting Israel, it's not them that will be in trouble.......it is us. "......bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you...." This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.Zech. 14:12 You raise a very good point! Perhaps then the US really is Babylon and this is why she will be completely destroyed in one hour. I would say that would definitely constitute as a curse! Real truth is self evident... |
| Gradient Get over yourself User ID: 215854 United States05/28/2007 02:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We should be supporting Israel and Palestine equally. We shouldn't be playing favorites. And people wonder why so many Middle Eastern countries hold indignation towards The Unites States. Quoting: ActionandCrueltyWell, then you get into that whole thing of ..muslims following their holy scripture are required to eventually kill all infidels, i.e., anyone not converting to islam... Jews don't kill people that don't convert. glptrainer(at)yahoo.com |
| Lady Wolf (OP) User ID: 241670 United States05/28/2007 02:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We should be supporting Israel and Palestine equally. We shouldn't be playing favorites. And people wonder why so many Middle Eastern countries hold indignation towards The Unites States. Quoting: ActionandCrueltyIs that even possible ActionandCruelty? Can ANYONE, for that matter, EQUALLY support these two warring people? How is this possible? Serious question... Real truth is self evident... |
