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Ceiling Fan UFO is NOT a HOAX - Strange Craft May Be Energy Systems Monitoring Drone

 
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This goes to show you how badly the powers that be have btainwashed the masses, everybody instantly claimed these photo's were photoshoped and whatnot, It is a real fucking object people, wake the FUCK up!

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Strange Craft May Be Energy Systems Monitoring Drone

The more recent drone sightings at Capitola, CA, Sequoia National Forest, CA and Birmingham, AL may be an energy systems monitoring drone Regarding the Capitola, Central California, Lake Tahoe, Sequoia National Forest and Birmingham sightings, a few of us find it possible now that this unknown craft could be an energy systems monitoring drone, which is currently being utilized for right-of-way lands.



May 2007, Capitola, California, Photo by Rajman


What was discovered was an old patent filed almost 20 years ago on November 9, 1987 showing that such a drone was in the works. The patent was consequently issued on April 4, 1989. The background given for this invention is as follows.
Patent title: MONITORING SYSTEM FOR POWER LINES AND RIGHT-OF-WAY USING REMOTELY PILOTED DRONE

Inventor: Mr. Roosevelt A. Fernandes, Liverpool, New York

Description of Invention:

The present invention relates to a system and method of monitoring physical features of high voltage electrical conductors and/or environmental features along the power corridor through which the conductors extend. More specifically, the invention relates to a power line monitoring system and method utilizing a Remotely Piloted Drone (hereafter "RPD") which is flown along the power corridor and carries one or more pieces of equipment which provide observance and/or measurement of conductor and/or environmental features.

In the transmission of electrical power, high voltage conductors are supported on a succession of towers along a power corridor, often extending through geographically remote areas. It is necessary to inspect on a regular basis the physical condition of both the power lines and the corridor through which they extend. For example, the following features are normally monitored at periodic intervals: the condition of the conductor (pitting, fraying, etc.); identification of poor splices; inspection of cracked insulators; location of critical, thermally limiting transmission line segments; tower condition; identification of gas emissions; storm damage inspection; inspection of tree growth; and other right-of-way obstacles.

Right-of-way

1. The right to pass over property owned by another party.

2. The path or thoroughfare on which such passage is made.

3. The strip of land over which facilities such as highways, railroads, or power lines are built.

Note that the acronym RPD (Remotely Piloted Drone) is currently termed an RPV (Remotely Piloted Vehicle).

Within this patent are 27 patent claims and a description at the RPD’s conception. Those can be found at the source address below. However, keep in mind while reading that 20 years is a very long time when it comes to advances in such technology so you have to consider that such a patent would have gone through many new-generations over those 20 years. Not only would this patent have gone through many new-generations but over 20 years this patent has probably even changed hands and by now could have very well been acquired by a facet of the United States Government.

Because our reliance on energy is so great, our vulnerability to an interruption in its supply is also great. Included among U.S. energy systems are extensive networks of electric generating facilities and transmission lines, natural gas pipelines, oil refineries and pipelines, coal mines, repeater stations and transport. The present method of monitoring thousands of miles of any energy system is inadequate. Surveillance technologies developed for defense and intelligence agencies may be useful in defending against terrorist attacks, as well as against simple right-of-way encroachments.

Today, disrupted systems due to terrorism are sitting at the forefront at Homeland Security and it is no secret that Homeland Security has been requesting drones since their conception since this information is all over the Internet. Consequently, such drones will be common place in the very near future if they aren’t already.



May 2006, in Birmingham, Alabama. Photo by Mr. Smith.


We found Mr. Smith's sighting to be authentic based on his frustration once accused of photoshopping the photo (digital manipulation). To read his most recent email I could tell that he didn't have a clue as to what photoshopping was and instead was up in arms and decided to give up on the UFO community since it appears to have let him down. Mr. Smith’s photo actually gave us more insight since without it, we would not have had seen the multiple power line occurrences. It was only when we saw Mr. Smith’s photo did we begin to look in a different direction.
Since Mr. Fernandes’ drone was designed to fly along power corridors, we find it very coincidental that many of our photos presented were taken at proximity to power lines. In regard to the drone witnessed in the Sequoia National Forest, Chad’s drone and Rajman’s drone, these appear to be one of the same.

Chad’s drone was never pictured near power lines however Rajman’s drone is that of Chad’s drone, which was shot in very close proximity to the power lines. And, certainly power lines traverse a forest as numerous as those in the desert. It would be nice to know if both Chad and the woman from Lake Tahoe know whether or not their sightings were anywhere near power lines.

In regard to the sighting explained by Shirley P., we find it too coincidental that the 'unusual craft' is doing pretty much what the Sequoia National Park Forest Service employee stated, which was, "I'm told it's some kind of a communications device that's supposed to help the park service monitor the area for potential problems-stuff like fires and such." Not to mention that the forest service employee has obviously seen it around previous to his conversation with Shirley but yet the forest service claims that they are not privy to such a drone. At that point, this just tells us that somebody has a secret and they do not want people to know what they are or who they belong to.

A UFO Casebook forum member contacted the State of California Park Forestry Service and asked them if they were familiar with such a drone. As well, he supplied a photo of the unusual craft in question. Here was their very short response.

“There are no science or research projects at Sequoia National Park involving craft like these, and no one I spoke with has any knowledge of it.”

Thank you for your interest in Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks.

The Staff of Interpretation and Cultural Resources

Everyone is expecting to find an image on the Internet of the unusual craft outside of the ones that have been posted over the past 23 days. Research and development of such drones would be managed through the Department of Defense and the Department of Energy as well as coordinated by the industry groups mentioned previously. Our government would never have posted such an image on the Internet due to its nature. I can think of many reasons why they wouldn't but I can't think of one reason why they would. Besides that, bots and crawlers from search engines cannot access those types of websites and access images so no images would have ever been found, which we believe is why nobody can find any.

Our government was once very secretive about our drone capabilities; however they have more recently decided to make our UAV's public instead, and for good reason. The psychology there is probably that the opposition thinks twice before planning any type of attack, well knowing our capabilities however this RPV does not fall into that category or way of thinking. Quite the contrary since they would not want anyone to be too awful privy of its existence since it’s application would be used on our soil or in our airspace.

What do we make of the sound and what is the drone's power source?

In regard to what the craft sounded like, there were two reports available. This is a compilation of Chad and Lake Tahoe’s claim. “Sometimes there is a very slight hum that sounds kind of mechanical, almost like when you are near very large power lines. But it is nothing loud like a jet engine; it is very quiet for the most part. Like I said, it sounds like power lines if you get close enough to it.” “It didn't make any noise except for a very, very faint sound that is hard to describe but sounded like something vibrating. We both heard the sound although just barely.”

As you will find when you read on, we believe that what the witnesses heard were the power lines themselves and the sound the actual drone was making as it was recharging itself, for lack of a better word.

In regard to the energy used to power this drone, we discovered another patent filed on February 6, 2004, regarding devices such as those mounted to a drone, which are coupled to high voltage transmission lines where they obtain power themselves directly from the line and to be used to power the drone. A common component of all these devices relates to the power supply energy source means for generating the comparatively lower voltage required for operation of the device. The following is a description of this patent and the source information follows this article.

Patent title: BODY CAPACITANCE ELECTRIC FIELD POWERED DEVICE FOR HIGH VOLTAGE LINES

Inventors: Gunn, Colin N., Lightbody, Simon H. Forth, J. Bradford Hancock, Martin A. and Hyatt, Geoffrey T.

Description of Invention:

Devices that couple to high voltage transmission lines obtain power themselves using the body capacitance of an element of the devices. The devices generate a comparatively lower voltage from the current flowing between the high voltage line and the element of the device that generates the body capacitance. The devices can be used to operate sensors that monitor the transmission lines or parameters of the power distribution system, such as current, line temperature, vibration, and the like.

The devices can also be used as indicators, such as aircraft warning lights, information signs, etc. In addition, the devices can operate as RF transmission/reception or repeater devices, radar devices, mesh networking nodes, video/audio surveillance, sound emitting devices for scaring animals, drones that traverse the power line, etc. Because the devices operate in response to line voltage rather than current, the devices are reliable even in low current conditions.

Please understand that neither of the patents above necessarily belong to the drones in question. These are simply the best examples that we could find, which explain what a power line monitoring drone would look like and it's function.

Recently, a member of the UFO Casebook forum mentioned that the body of the drone appeared to be made from ceramic. Ceramics are used for both capacitors and insulators on power lines. Since a capacitor's function is to store electricity, or electrical energy, then the circular part of this drone (the body) would be the storage area for the electrical energy.

What about the other parts of the craft?

Much of this is assumption so everyone is welcome to give us your own input.

Figure A questionable

Figure B possibly a stabilizer or balance used to offset the weight of C, D and E.

Figures C, D and E possibly keeps the drone from becoming entangled in the power lines as the drone moves up along the power line itself.




Why does the craft seemingly have an unusual text on its underside?
We simply believe that they do not want people to know who the drone belongs to. Imagine a terrorist taking a picture of the underside of let's say Chad's drone. Then they take a closer look at the text on their photo. Like us they would probably start to wonder if it's an authentic alien craft instead because even they can't figure out what language that is. Besides that, there is a lot of psychology behind not knowing something. It leaves one guessing instead of thinking about taking it down and destroying it.

What would we expect the government to put on the craft, Property of the United States Government or the Department of Defense or maybe the Department of Energy? Taking into consideration the costs of such a drone, and the numbers of those who have no respect for the American tax dollar and have a ‘shoot them out of the sky’ mentality, I imagine they would have preferred to put absolutely nothing on it but that would make one inquisitive and want more answers.

Based on photographic evidence from various areas of the United States; and the similarities exhibited in the shape, dynamics and ability of this craft to stay airborne; and with very little information that is currently available on the public domain, we concur and are of the opinion that this machine is operational as an remotely piloted drone vehicle (RPV) being used to surveillance power line and right-of-way corridors; perhaps as part of our homeland security operations or perhaps simply a maintenance monitor drone for the power company.

Eileen Nesbitt, UFO Casebook Investigator

P. Smith, UFO Casebook Investigator
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It's admitted CGI...It is even on youtube for pete's sake...

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I find it really, really interesting how this particular "ufo sighting" keeps getting pushed and pushed and pushed on this, and other websites.

It almost has the feel of an advertising blitz. I never believed in ceiling fans that fly, and I won't believe it until I see it in this particular case.

The 'alien' printing on the bottom of this thing, also makes it look amazingly suspect. I believe in the presence of ETI, but it doesn't mean I'm 'brainwashed' if I choose to believe this is an FCS (flying crock of shit.)
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It's admitted CGI...It is even on youtube for pete's sake...

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Says who? When more & more pictures of this craft show up will you admit you were wrong?
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It's admitted CGI...It is even on youtube for pete's sake...

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Says who? When more & more pictures of this craft show up will you admit you were wrong?
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You can't be that stupid...

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Then again...You probably are...

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The youtube posted above is a CG mock-up of the original photos

In the youtube video author's own words:

Hi. I used Lightwave. Yep, I modelled the object from the photos myself. The alien text is just an approximation using a similar font. cheers.

Right in the subject of the video:

NOT REAL!... CG mock up of the cross shaped UFO.

This guy is just trying to illustrate how the UFO pictures might have been faked.


Are the originals real or are the memorex? It is up to the viewer to decide. Linda Moulton Howe has done quite a bit of research on this to indicate they are very likely real.

Only time will tell.


peace, †
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Yes. He thinks more examples appearing on websites is evidence that they are genuine rather than clones produced in video software! LOL!
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love lightwave and maya
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What patent number????
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never mind:

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Yep, the drone in the patent is spherical with 2 antennae elements.
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FuCkTaRd.....and a dumb ass2 one at that OP.

Just when one thinks they have seen the MOST idiotic IQ displayed from one individual glp poster.....we GAIN a new CHAMPION (Imho of course) :horse laug:

PS: Move over Tomek you have just been dethroned!!

Here is your trophy OPIE.... wcass
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I find it really, really interesting how this particular "ufo sighting" keeps getting pushed and pushed and pushed on this, and other websites.

It almost has the feel of an advertising blitz. I never believed in ceiling fans that fly, and I won't believe it until I see it in this particular case.

The 'alien' printing on the bottom of this thing, also makes it look amazingly suspect. I believe in the presence of ETI, but it doesn't mean I'm 'brainwashed' if I choose to believe this is an FCS (flying crock of shit.)
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VIRAL!!!

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GOD DAMN THIS THING TO HELL!

It's like HEAD ON, but in stupid ass UFO form.

I don't care if it's a Jesus Transit Mobile, a life-saving rectal scraper, lemon juicer, peace probe or an Illuminati tracking device. MAKE IT GO AWAY!
Well it seems so real I can see it
And it seems so real I can feel it
And it seems so real I can taste it
And it seems so real I can hear it
So why can't I touch it?
So why can't I touch it?


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GOD DAMN THIS THING TO HELL!

It's like HEAD ON, but in stupid ass UFO form.

I don't care if it's a Jesus Transit Mobile, a life-saving rectal scraper, lemon juicer, peace probe or an Illuminati tracking device. MAKE IT GO AWAY!
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Go out and look over your house :-)
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GOD DAMN THIS THING TO HELL!

It's like HEAD ON, but in stupid ass UFO form.

I don't care if it's a Jesus Transit Mobile, a life-saving rectal scraper, lemon juicer, peace probe or an Illuminati tracking device. MAKE IT GO AWAY!



Go out and look over your house :-)
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Ok, that was kinda funny. You may live.
Well it seems so real I can see it
And it seems so real I can feel it
And it seems so real I can taste it
And it seems so real I can hear it
So why can't I touch it?
So why can't I touch it?


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:lcat:

Just admitted CGIs and Photoshop hoaxes. IT's all the k00ks have as proof. Don't you think that it's time you start searching for UFO's of shapes other than ceiling fans and chandeliers? How about a flying trashcan next time?
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...it's a Jesus Transit Mobile, a life-saving rectal scraper, lemon juicer, peace probe, Illuminati tracking device.
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BUT WAIT! IT DOES MUCH, MUCH MORE! It's not only a Jesus Transit Mobile, a life-saving rectal scraper, lemon juicer, peace probe, Illuminati tracking device, BUT IT WILL ALSO DICE, SLICE AND CHOP YOUR SALAD FIXINGS!

...and if you order within the next ten minutes, you get a special bonus reward of three extra attachments at a value of..

$399.00 !!

these attachments will:

1. Answer All Of Your Phone Calls In The Voice Of Your Favorite Celebrity!!

2. Microwave your mother-in-law!!

3. Analyze your stock options!!!
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GOD DAMN THIS THING TO HELL!

It's like HEAD ON, but in stupid ass UFO form.

I don't care if it's a Jesus Transit Mobile, a life-saving rectal scraper, lemon juicer, peace probe or an Illuminati tracking device. MAKE IT GO AWAY!
 Quoting: Babe in a Bunker

sorry babe, maybe they're gettin' up thee wigglies just fer shits n' jiggles ;>

personally ..... seems a bit O' trouble, fortune not ensured

I've always found it 'triggering' to be sure , .. much less, of course, after the ceiling fan 'comment. ...'

[it's morse code]
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Apply directly to the forehead!
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People who get mad at others because they do not happen to agree with their point of view basically have no opinion, and therefore what they say is just null and void.

The 'drone' issue has been satisfactorily debunked by compentent scientific people. Its CGI, and really not great CGI either. That's it, end of story. Next.

To defend this junk is evidence of delusion, and it is really sad to witness the numbers of people that are not capable of helping this world to solve its problems.

I am sure this comment will spawn alot of hate replies, so have at it and help substantiate my analysis.
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It's admitted CGI...It is even on youtube for pete's sake...

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Saladfingers over at OMF told everyone BEFORE he did the cgi videos. We all knew they we're coming long before they showed up on youtube or anywhere. The cgi was intentional.
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We seriously need a ceiling fan ufo smiley
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Says who? When more & more pictures of this craft show up will you admit you were wrong?

Lord Keynes famously said, "When the facts change, I change
my mind. What do you do, sir?"



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The 'facts' never changed. Only the interpretation of the original reports. This always happens when some sparky tries to reproduce the phenomenon with CGI and then claims that CGI was responsible all along. That's not a scientific explanation because the original photos were not proved to be CGI. All that was proved is that CGI can reproduce such photos - as if that's news! Of course, if you are a debunker, that's enough for you. For those of us with a more careful attitude, it is not enough.
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The OP believing this UFO case is not a hoax shows the OP having some sort of strange mental disorder and literally in a dream-like state of very low consciousness.

how far could you go with the dream-like ambien-like zombie states of mind these people have? Do you suppose a picture of a quarter or a dime blown up and placed in the sky would also be called 'not a hoax'? Or perhaps the line is drawn there and their dream-like states of low conscious are still conscious enough not to call a quarter or a dime a UFO thats not a hoax

could you imagine what it would be like to be the OP, to have his brain, and to be in such a low consciousness dream like, ambien lunesta like 20 shots of vodka like state of mind that you would actually post a thread saying the ceiling fan UFO is not a hoax? it would be very difficult to imagine.
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Says who? When more & more pictures of this craft show up will you admit you were wrong?

Lord Keynes famously said, "When the facts change, I change
my mind. What do you do, sir?"



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The 'facts' never changed. Only the interpretation of the original reports. This always happens when some sparky tries to reproduce the phenomenon with CGI and then claims that CGI was responsible all along. That's not a scientific explanation because the original photos were not proved to be CGI. All that was proved is that CGI can reproduce such photos - as if that's news! Of course, if you are a debunker, that's enough for you. For those of us with a more careful attitude, it is not enough.
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perhaps if i made an even more stupid looking UFO or even just blew up a picture of a quarter or dime and insert it in the sky, you would still say "CGI proves nothing" then say its real

Your mind is in a very deep dream like lead poisoned state, like 20 shots of vodka where you have lost all sensibility

you are similar to TEXAS UNCENSORED who takes pics of clouds and says their UFOs

You are similar to people who say Venus is planet X inbound

a very strange brain you have
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It's real... chuckle
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All UFOs are either natural phenomena, mis-identified aircraft or hoaxes. Nobody has ever been able to prove that there are aliens visiting Earth.
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I saw it last week on TV; in the "Terminator - The Sarah Conor Chronicles"
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All UFOs are either natural phenomena, mis-identified aircraft or hoaxes. Nobody has ever been able to prove that there are aliens visiting Earth.
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You go on repeating that because you don't want to accept the evidence, not because it is not good enough, but no one will will take you seriously. The evidence for aliens visiting earth is now strong enough to constitute a prima facie case.

But if you want to believe always in swamp gas, then no one can stop you. LOL!

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