The coming Armageddon
Conversation on the Beach 3
By Solly Ganor
"Five years ago I sent you a letter which I called “Conversation on the Beach”. In my letter I described my conversation with a young Palestinian student who in short precise terms explained how Islam will defeat the West. The conversation opened my eyes to a much larger picture in which Israel plays only a minor role in the Islamic game of conquest. Since then I tried to speak to some Arabs who come to pray at the Mosque, but they were not as outspoken as the student.
Last week I had another conversation with an Israeli Arab construction boss by the unlikely name of Francis who was in charge of building a villa near our house in Herzelia. He told me that his family was Christian and his name was given to him in honor of the Franciscan monks. Our conversation was as interesting as the first conversation I had with the Arab student five years ago and I would like to share it with you.
Francis frequently parked his car near our house and we would exchange polite greetings.
About a week ago the water was shut off for repairs in the house he was building and Francis asked me if I could give him some hot water for his coffee.
He was a tall man of about forty, with reddish hair and blue eyes. He spoke a perfect Hebrew and I, naturally became curious about him. I felt that he may the right person to exchange some views with. By his looks I assumed that he was either a Druze or from the Syrian region. He looked more like a teacher than a construction worker and as I later found out, he was actually a teacher by profession. Since my conversation with the student five years ago I was always curious to hear their side of the story, therefore I decided to invite him for a cup of coffee to our house. I saw him hesitate for a moment then he smiled and thanked me for my hospitality.
While we drank our coffee he told me that he was from a small village in the Galilee called Jish, near the present Kibbutz Sassa. I remembered the village very well as I was one of the soldiers who captured the village while serving in the 7th Armored brigade during the war of Independence in 1948. I decided not to tell him about it because at the time we encountered some stiff resistance at that village and quite a few of the inhabitants were killed.
While I was preparing the coffee he told me a little about himself.
“ For a while I was a teacher and I loved teaching, but I couldn’t make a living at it and I decided to join my father in law who is in the construction business.”
Judging by the large Honda he was driving I figured that he didn’t do too badly changing his profession.
Our conversation soon turned to the present situation in the Middle East, about Hamas winning the elections, the situation of the Israeli Arabs, and the last Lebanese war against Hezbolla.
“ As Christians we are in a difficult situation here in Israel. Unfortunately, the Moslems and especially the extreme Islamist section, are giving the tone here. My family who lived in Bethlehem probably since the Crusaders, had to flee for their life. The Moslems have been forcing us out, by threats and even murder.
Bethlehem that was once predominantly Christian is now predominantly Moslem. Very little is written about it even in the Israeli press.”
He sipped his coffee and gave me a long look. He seemed like someone who wasn’t quite sure whether to say what he was about to say. I gave him an encouraging nod.
“ I have to tell you something which very few of you seem to comprehend.” He continued.
“Your bungling war against a few thousand Hezbolla fighters which you should have crushed no matter what, considering the importance of the outcome, has created a completely new situation, not only for this area, but globally. Your inept leadership totally misunderstood the importance of winning this war.
As a matter of fact, the whole Moslem world, not only the Arabs, simply couldn’t believe that the mighty Israeli Army that defeated the combined Arab forces in six days in 1967, and almost captured Cairo and Damascus in 1973, couldn’t defeat a small army of Hezbolla men. As usual the Moslems see things the way they want to see things. Most think that the present generation of Israelis have gone soft and can be defeated.
The American bungling of the war in Iraq only added to their conviction that victory not only over Israel but also over the West in not only possible, but certain. The ramifications of these two bungling wars may bring an Islamic bloody Tsunami all over the West, not only in Israel. The sharks smell blood and this two wars gave them the green light to attack sooner than they had in mind.
Your problem is that you are on the defensive and they have the option to choose the time and the places when and where to attack and there is nothing much you can do about it.
When will you Westerners realize that half measures don’t work with people who are willing to die by the thousands for Allah to achieve their goal? In their eyes the Western World is simply an abomination on earth that has to be wiped out.”
He spoke quietly and I could just picture him in the school giving his students a lecture.
I poured him another cup of coffee and encouraged him to continue.
“ The Americans, the Europeans, and even you Israelis really don’t really know what it is all about, do you? During the last generation hundreds of thousands of children have been taught all over the Moslem world in Madrass schools to become martyrs for Allah in order to kill the infidels. These youngsters are not only are ready to do it, but are actually in the process of doing it. Bombs are going off all over the world killing and maiming thousands of people, not on 9/11 in the US, in London Madrid and Bali, but Africa, India, Bengla Dash, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and countless other places.
The first signs of the Islamic Tsunami is already here, but the West doesn’t understand, or doesn’t want to understand what is coming.
The Americans, instead of realizing that this is as bad as World War Two, or even worse,
Are going to pull out of Iraq, handing it over to Iran on a silver platter. Next may come the Saudis and the rest of the Gulf states. When dirty bombs will go off all over the Western towns who is going to stop the Iranians?
Now is the time to stop them, not only because they are developing nuclear bombs, but because Iran has become the base for all Islamic terrorist. They supply, money, men and weapons to Islamic terrorist around the world, quite often trough their diplomatic mail. Billions of petro- dollars that are pouring into Iran are being funneled into terrorist organizations world-wide. They believe, and perhaps rightly so, that the West will do nothing to stop them in achieving their goals. Is history repeating itself? Are the Iranians
making the same mistake that Hitler made when he attacked Poland? Is the situation similar?
As a history teacher who studied the subject thoroughly I can tell you that Western victory in World War Two was not all certain.
Hitler could have won the war if he would have gone ahead with the atomic bomb development before the Americans. The Germans began working on it in the thirties, and it was Hitler’s decision to prefer building more conventional arms, as he considered atomic weapons sheer fantasy.
Hitler made the wrong decision, but had he made the right decision the world would have been a different type of world today, wouldn’t it? The West won the war against Hitler by sheer chance. Very few people seem to realize that.”
I must say that his last words shook me up quite a bit. Had Hitler made a different decision, I would have died in Dachau, there wouldn’t have been a Jewish state called Israel, and most likely there wouldn’t have been any Jews left in the world. The idea that the Western democracies in general and the fate of the Jewish people in particular could have hinged on Hitler’s one decision, is a scenario of the worst night mare.
He notices that his last words had an effect on me and he smiled. “ I see that my words are not wasted on you. He said dryly. I nodded and he continued with is lecture.
Coming back to our time, the Iranians rely on the West doing nothing about their development of nuclear bombs. They also rely on their secret weapon ; An inexhaustible supply of Islamic ‘Suicide Bombers’, some of them who are already planted all over the Western World. Besides the Islamic countries that supply these suicide bombers, a second front has been opened, and that is the internet with more than five thousand Islamic web sites, brain washing and urging young Moslems to become martyrs for Allah. They especially target young Moslems who live in Europe and the West in general. The Western intelligence authorities consider these web sites a bigger threat than the Iranian atomic bomb. El Kaida recently issued a television broadcast that promised a devastating attack against its enemies this spring. As we all know, El Kaida doesn’t make empty threats.
Actually, I don’t understand why the Iranians bother to develop atom bombs and bring the whole world down on them. Every suicide bomber is a potential atom bomb, or a biological, chemical or dirty bomb that can be no less devastating than an atom bomb. The Americans and Europeans have no defense against this type of war.
‘ What can we do against this type warfare.? I asked him. ‘Well, you Israelis, should better prepare yourself for another round against Hezbolla. It will be not long in coming. It depends on the Iranians to give the word. This time you will have to destroy Hezbolla no matter what the cost may be.
Of course, your next round against Hezbolla may involve the Syrians and the Iranians against you. The Iranians declared that they will not allow Hezbolla to be defeated no matter what and may launch their missiles against you. So will the Syrians. What will Israel do? It is unlikely that Israel will accept its destruction and may use their nuclear arsenal if the West will not come to their help. Perhaps our book of Revelation is not so wrong in describing that the end of the world would start at Armageddon, which we know as Har-Megiddo in Israel.
The book of Revelations describe the last battle would be fought at Armageddon between the “Forces of good and the forces of evil.”
‘And who would you call the forces of good ‘ Israel or Islam?’ I asked looking him straight in the eyes.
He gave me a startled look. ‘ If I were a Moslem, I would have no problem to name the forces of good and it wouldn’t be Israel. As a Christian I would probably name Israel, but as a Christian Arab I would prefer not to answer.
We looked at each other. His answer made it clear where the Israeli Arabs stood, whether they were Moslems or Christians. And why should I be surprised? After all The Israeli Arabs call the establishment of the State of Israel their Nakbah. ( Their disaster).
Is there a way to avoid the “ Armageddon”?
I think there are two ways to avoid it. One can be a major war which the West can win. As in World War Two, had the West attacked the Germans in 1936 the war would have lasted not more than a month with very few casualties. Their procrastination resulted in World War II with all its consequences. Eventually, the West will have to tackle the Iranians , it is better that they do it now to avert a world catastrophe later. With Iran defeated the Islamic onslaught will lose its base, and it may be the turning point in history to defeat the menace of extreme Islam. The majority of the Moslems don’t want this confrontation anyway.”
“You are painting a rather dark picture. When do you think we will have the next round against Hezzbola?” I asked.
“I think they will attack again as soon as they are fully re-equipped and I think it will be during the summer, while Israel is still in a military and political turmoil.”
For a while we sat in silence. He finished his second cup of coffee and got up. “I know what I am going to do. I am going to Canada to join my brother. This country is becoming much too dangerous for Christians as well.” he said. He thanked me for the coffee and we shook hands.
‘You said there are two ways to avoid “Armageddon” I remembered to ask him. ‘Sure, all the West has to do is follow Putin’s ways. He assassinates his enemies without blinking an eye. ‘Assassinate the four or five Mulahs who run the show, Achmenijad, and a few more Iranian fanatics, and the War can be avoided. It may be difficult to do, but not impossible. With today’s hi- tech technology I am sure that new weapons against individuals are being prepared right now. I think it would be a better way of handling the matter than an all out war against Islam.”
The conversation with Francis was not more encouraging than the one I had with the Palestinian student five years ago. It was becoming clear that Israel may be on the forefront for the coming war of the West against Islam, unless we follow Francis’ suggestion to assassinate the heads of the snake, rather than going to war with Islam."
Armageddon (Greek αρμαγεδδων; [armageddôn] also spelled Har-Magedon in some modern English translations) is the location of the final climactic battle between God, also known as Yahweh or Jehova, and Satan the Devil mentioned in the Book of Revelation in the Christian New Testament, or more generally, an apocalyptic catastrophe.
The word Armageddon in Scripture is known only from a single verse in the Greek New Testament[1], where it is said to be Hebrew, but it is thought to represent the Hebrew words Har Megido (הר מגידו), meaning "Hill of Megiddo". Megiddo was the location of many decisive battles in ancient times (see Battle of Megiddo).
Before the Second World War, the First World War was commonly referred to in newspapers and books as "Armageddon", in addition to "the Great War".
"The American bungling of the war in Iraq only added to their conviction that victory not only over Israel but also over the West in not only possible, but certain."
Listen, all this good jew/bad jew/good muslim/bad muslim crap aside for the moment, let's address the reality.
The war in Iraq was not "bungled", they didn't "mismanage" or get "bad intel" or "misread the warnings", or whatever passes for an excuse this week.
Our armed forces were sent into Iraq for three reasons-
1) to break it down completely- physically, morally, logstically so that it never again poses a threat to the very people who engineered this intentional disaster.
2) to alienate the US from it's former allies and well wishers across the globe so that no one will ever be tempted to come to our aid when the ax falls, much like Germany suffered after May of 1945
3) to bleed the forces to the point of exhaustion so that any who return- and I don't believe that will be many in the end- are so sicked from DU and PTSD, etc that they will offer little or no resistance to the coup by the Inner Party when they implement their final strike.
Only naive people or those who are part of the plot to destroy the US- and by extension the last remnants of Western Man- and by that I mean the people who created it, not the physical buildings and technics- still hold on to some insane belief that we did it for oil, had bad intel, screwed up, underestimated, etc.
When you look at a house, you know that the intention of the builder was to build a house, not a car. He didn't start out with plans for a Chevy and somehow screwed up and wound up with a split level.
Ditto.
Gaia@ISRAEL I'll think about it tomorrow... User ID: 248706 6/8/2007 11:29 AM
[i]"I put my trust in technology
now i'm doubting we will ever reach our goal
all ambition is now finally lost
i'm no longer prepared to pay the cost
every dream, hope anticipation
that we used to share
was it all for nothing
were we fools to believe?
faceless - enter the dead zone
faithless - in the red zone"
Come you masters of war
You that build the big guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks
You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly
Bob Dylan, from the song "Masters of War" (1963) “I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.”
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Jews - descendants of the "bad fig", Esau.
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Yep. That is why they took to Mystery Babylon teachings (Talmud) like a duck to water. Ye will know them by their (evil) fruits.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 248709
"Jews - descendants of the "bad fig", Esau."
YOU GOT WRONG NAME.
BUT THAT'S OK.
LET ME CORRECT YOU.
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a. a turning round or rotating, as on an axis.
b. a moving in a circular or curving course, as about a central point.
c. a single cycle in such a course.
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There is no thing endowed with life - from man, who is enslaving the elements, to the nimblest creature - in all this world that does not sway in its turn. Whenever action is born from force, though it be infinitesimal, the cosmic balance is upset and the universal motion results.
We know of two great battles of Armegeddon in history.
The first was the defeat of the king of Kadesh by the Pharoah Thutmosis leading to the annexation of the entire Levant by Egypt.
The second was the defeat of Solomon's son Rehoboam by the Egyptian pharoah Shishsak leading to the surrender of Jerusalem and the looting of the Temple treasury.
According to Immanuel Velikovsky in his book "Ages in Chaos" the two events were the same battle, but the conventionally accepted timeline of archaeologists is out a whopping 600 years between the Israelite chronology and the Egyptian.
Kadesh is a transliteration of QDS.
Jerusalem is the Holy City (Ir Kadosh)
In modern Arabic, Jeruslaem is Al-Quds (QDS). owner of an extensive collection of curios from the exotic orient
about two kilometres southwest of this picture (which is looking north), is the Druze shrine of Mukhraka.
Another battle of sorts was fought here, when Elijah the Tishbite defeated the priests of Baal. owner of an extensive collection of curios from the exotic orient
Gaia@ISRAEL I'll think about it tomorrow... User ID: 248706 6/8/2007 6:23 PM
about two kilometres southwest of this picture (which is looking north), is the Druze shrine of Mukhraka.
Another battle of sorts was fought here, when Elijah the Tishbite defeated the priests of Baal.
Quoting: Isaac Brock died for us
Thanks for sharing that information! Gaia “I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.”
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We know of two great battles of Armegeddon in history.
The first was the defeat of the king of Kadesh by the Pharoah Thutmosis leading to the annexation of the entire Levant by Egypt.
The second was the defeat of Solomon's son Rehoboam by the Egyptian pharoah Shishsak leading to the surrender of Jerusalem and the looting of the Temple treasury.
According to Immanuel Velikovsky in his book "Ages in Chaos" the two events were the same battle, but the conventionally accepted timeline of archaeologists is out a whopping 600 years between the Israelite chronology and the Egyptian.
Kadesh is a transliteration of QDS.
Jerusalem is the Holy City (Ir Kadosh)
In modern Arabic, Jeruslaem is Al-Quds (QDS).
It is about a Story, a survival and promulgation of what has been termed the Authentic Tradition. It is about the primordial religion, the legends handed to us by the gods from the remotest of times. It is humanity’s Legacy, our Spiritual Birthright, our Rightful Heritage. And from the earliest times, it has been suppressed by those who would subvert us for their own causes. This Tradition has made itself known throughout the ages, especially through the group of sects we term Johannite. So why now? Why is this material of importance to anyone beyond armchair occultists, Freemasons, and academics? Because it is this story that we are now living. It is heresy, but only to those who would (and do) enslave us. In these dark days we are desperately in need of an ethos of liberation. We desperately need the Gift of the Johannites.
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 248813 6/11/2007 2:20 PM
Come you masters of war
You that build the big guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks
You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly
Bob Dylan, from the song "Masters of War" (1963)
Quoting: Gaia@ISRAEL
Megiddo the first battlefield, has been the location of epic battles all through the ages.
I have never heard of these things.
To add to Veilkovsky's thesis, Egyptian Queen Hatshepsut and Queen Sheba (Malkat Shva) were one and the same person. Both went on voyages to an incredibly rich kingdom. Punt = Solomon's Israel.
Ethiopia was settled by Egyptians. According to their tradition, Sheba's son Menelik stole the Ark of the LORD.
Thutmosis III was Hatshepsut's son. owner of an extensive collection of curios from the exotic orient
In 1989, the Ethiopian communist regime of Mengistu was the vanguard of the Soviet Empire in Africa. They were backed by East German and Cuban mercenaries. They tried to remove the Ark from the city of Axum.
The Ark was guarded by a crippled old blind man leaning on a stick.
Within a year, the Soviet Empire was gone.
The old blind man was still at his post.
When the next battle of Armageddon comes..
never underestimate the old blind guy with the stick if he has the LORD behind him. owner of an extensive collection of curios from the exotic orient
Thank you Gaia. As usual, you go way out of your way.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 248813
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For my dear friend GAIA, such is the nature of things, . . . and such is the heart of life.
In all that Lovely GAIA does, UNCOMMONEffort is Her COMMONDenominator !
When I think of Beautiful GAIA and her steadfast and courageous qualities, . . . I'm reminded of yet another motto from long ago in Africa :
"Asesabi Lutho !" / "We Fear Naught !"
Day to day, such qualities were familiar to me at Witwatersrand, . . . but have been in shorter supply during the years thereafter.
Hence, GAIA is like vitamins for the human spirit.
In her efforts, I draw strength from many memories. Such as those of para jumpers who -- because they themselves lived in a world where all things are possible -- achieved that which the outside world had thought impossible, . . . and held the line against all odds.
GAIA’s sterling example inspires other allies also; . . . and with our allies by our side, . . . we undertake still greater things. Greater, . . . and better, and brighter.
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Just residue in the glass.'
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In the ‘Update Your Information’ section, MY ‘Country’ is NOT on the available list of selections. That is because I have NONE.
Perhaps ‘Countries’ -- like ‘Friends’ and ‘Home’ and ‘Family’ and ‘Community’ -- are only another in a long list of FICTIONS.
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I just hope we end up nuking a few select Muslim countries, what a wonderful use that they can be put to,,,and I would prefer to see it done in my lifetime.
I just hope we end up nuking a few select Muslim countries, what a wonderful use that they can be put to,,,and I would prefer to see it done in my lifetime.
Quoting: zazzman 249098
I seriously do not understand the anger and hostility of these posts.
What can you possibly thinking when you say something so unrepentantly evil? Nuking people?
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