Gracie Jiu-Jitsu + MMA Vs Kungfu - Who is the best fighter???

fedor would rock all those guys

I've been doing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu for over 10 yrs with Rickson's cousin, its the real deal

I looked up his fights on wiki, but Rickson Gracie would destroy him...but if woud be an awesome fight.

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Have you ever asked why Rickson never challeged Bas?

Kung Fu is much more than a simple martial art. It's a way of life and a spiritual path.

Real Kung Fu masters are beyond these petty tridimensional fights. They could fly and they had superhuman strength/speed.

Kung Fu is about cultivating your inner power to infinity and not spilling your blood for entertainment.

you have to fight to the death to see who would really win...

RULES change the fight to much... remember the first UFC and how it worked.

Now look at the UFC... it's changed alot..


Kung fu was about healing not hurting... and not letting someone hurt you.. but at the same time healing them.


Someone comes up to you to kick your butt and you hit a spot on their neck that makes them happy... qigong baby!


-peace

Kungfu masters can fly....when on an airplane.

Kungfu is only fun to watch on movie screens.

I use to believe Kungfu was the best but there is no one to prove the art in real tournaments...that's why the Gracie Family started UFC.

I repeat Kung Fu is not a martial art. Forget common sense. I believe your MMA is the best martial art. Kung Fu simply lies on another category and that's the main reason why we don't see its limits on TV. There are some documentaries though...and very good ones.

yes, almost. kung fu is about getting so powerful that you don't have to FIGHT. you simply stare to the opponent and he runs away.

having to begin a fight is already the start of a possible loss.

UFC was much more fun to watch when it started.

I suppose if a Kungfu master was able to get the first strike using some crazy pressure point hit, but if not and was taken to the ground, Kungfu would be useless.

I realize that Kungfu is more than fighting but a way of life but my contention is that when in tournaments, Kungfu style fighting wouldn't work.

or maybe it would work so well that it's better to stay away in order to protect the kung fu culture. that's my opinion.

"Rampage" Jackson seems to be the champ, atm.

And I think he could beat down anybody you have mentioned so far. (Wanderlei Silva seems to be the only one who has very seriously challenged him previously.)

If Randy moved back down to lhw I think Rampage would have problems.

I saw that fight and knew Rampage would destroy Chuck.

If Jackson was taken to the ground, he wouldn't know what to do. Rickson would win!

strong with the force this one is

Bas fought at 205 Rickson @ 185. But back in the bad old days when there was no weight limit it could have happened

kung fu is as effective as ballet in real fight.

who says hand to hand combat is the real fight?

well i say in this case or would it made you happy if i had said "in random street fight with hand to hand combat kung fu is as useless as ballet"?

Remember that Lee developed Jeet Kune Do which apparently is a more practical style of fighting compared to kung fu.

well i think the previous poster was correct when he said that if and when your king of the hill fighter steps to a true master he will piss his pants and run away like a little bitch...
never having been able to use his "strengths"

It depends on the definition of what a fight is.

If placed strictly on the rules used in Vale tudo or an original "Gracie Rules" UFC fight, they would win...(The Gracies and those practicing those rules and methods.)

The same holds with modern MMA fights. (Notice how eover time people are doing better and better against the Brazilian stylists?)

In China, the biggest weak point in martial arts is a lack of closing and ground grappling.

Kung fu however has many, many styles, and some of them address things that MMA and Brazilian Jiu-jitsu simply don't, such as weapons use.

If we take that into account, even with something as simple as a stick, the dynamics of a fight change drastically.

The ground grapplers suddenly don't do as well when weapons come into play. (Of course, empty handed combat against weapons in general does not fair as well. Movies aside, a man with a weapon generally wins...)

So if we are talking "The ultimate style" we have to understand the situations in which it is apllied.

If we are talking vale tudo rules, right now.... I would still think that ground grapplers would dominate.

Give them a few more years to get used to the new rules (Very, very few in Vale Tudo, it means "no rules" which also means no time limits and so on...) and the modern MMA folk will likely tie up however, even though there styles do tend to be a bit more striking oriented.

In that situation, classic Kung fu, Karate, Kenpo and Tae kwon Do will simply never make the grade.

*In "pit fights" truly no rules anything goes battles, the winner tends to be the person that gauges the eyes of the opponent first. This is the decisive move in over 80% of all such fights...

:)

But take a Gracie stylist and put them up against a Thirteen swords practitioner (armed) using their respective styles (but giving both swords!) and the outcome will likely have the weapons practitioner winning handily.

Only this person has made sense so far: the rest of you need to heed the words above.

Only way a "real" fight can ever be settled with a victor is to-the-death. Nothing else.

Rules of any sort corrupt the fighting instinct, which is why UFC/Pride and MMA in general is so graceless and boring.

I know Kung Fu: before you say "Show me..." I tell you that only Kung-fu and Ninjitsu are truly advanced arts that not only encapsulate the physical and the spiritual but also ALL of the other "styles" of martial arts, including Ju-Jitsu, Aikido, Karate, Judo, Kickboxing, Tae Kwon Do etc. ALL of them are wrapped up and thoroughly transcended by these two.

Guys and gals who do Kung-Fu and Ninjitsu to a highly proficient level do not do SPORT, of any kind.

There is real life and real combat, and then there is Sport. Remember that...

exactly... i mean in a real fight my first move would be a kill move..
i mean i dont want to take any damage at all you know?

It depends on how good you are at sensing your opponents INTENT and FOCUS.

Most so-called "streetfights" happen due to the components of ego and fear on the attackers part: drink, drugs or whatever may be the catalyst, but ultimately it is not necessary to seriously harm these individuals if you have enough skill: you can humiliate or incapacitate them instead.

But against another highly trained fighter who is committed to hurting you or killing you and is capable of that with a great degree of ease, you strike first and ask questions later. It could be vital points (throat, groin, solar plexus or whatever) or it could be a choke, you train to such a level that you need not think about it: you just do it.

i agree, i also think that a master can change his opponents intent and focus to his own bidding...
never needing to exterminate him

Only one who stands in Darkness can see the Light
good quote...

a real master has won the fight before the argument even started...

steven seagal would beat them all!!!
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I taught Korean Gung Su for about 25 years, and I still contend that a real man stopper is still a .45 cal. slug in the forehead. Never known it to fail.