Bringing children into this world is EVIL. Nobody wants to be born into a life of pain, taxes, illness and death.

if you're maybe referring to my posts too, let me give a few examples of what is demanded of me.... my mother's ill... not a severe illness, like failing heart, cancer or whatever, but small things and a miserable load of past experience... of course, not my fault, I wasn't even born when she went through hardships... but for example, she believes that I can cure her, or that it is my fault that she's in this shape, that I'll have to pay once she gets better, or that it is also my fault that she's getting psychological help now (she chose for that herself).. a half year I stayed home for her, losing a half year of my study.. but that's okay, if it's for her.... but she really didn't take notice of this...

also, she expected that I somehow will find a solution for her marital problems with my father.. they've lived together and have had trouble with each other as far as I remember... they're both simply stubborn instead of understanding each other, and I can't solve that for them.... she also wanted me to take care of conversations with doctors etc., cause she didn't trust my dad... as far as I know, my dad dealt well with that, so I can't do that simply because she's so suspicious.... I often called for a docter, and once her took at midnight to First Help... they found nothing severe, each time... that made my mother very angry and acting depressive/agressive...

my mother's also been suicidal, and came talking about the end to me etc.... she already spoke often of her death, but she's still alive.... and always blaming us/ me (as I was closest and trying to be most helpful, staying home, moest time with her) for having her life ruined this bad (it's really not that bad, but tell her, and you're her prime enemy)....

she contradicts herself a lot and I often don't know what to do (now I just ignore her)... she's also very dominant, preaching alike, compared her life to the suffering of jesus, damned us, beat me a threatened to kill me when I spoke against her opinions.... 'how dare you?!' 'you're so stupid' 'this is not what I taught you' 'you're not my daughter' 'I hereby damn you' 'I'm sorry to have given birth to a devil like you' etc... she also wanted me to quit my studies to take care of her (she was about to beat me up, at night after she'd pulled me out of bed to give her talk)... what I practically did, not because of her dominion, but because she needed me (when she wanted to hit me I said sorry, backed away and avoided her angry stare, said nothing and agreed in everything with her)... and so it was very stupid to make an enemy out of me (which she sporadically still does... she wants attention at one time, and the next time she doesn't seem to care about anyone)....

that's just one issue... another are the violent behaviours of my dad and brother... I've witheld my brother 2 times from attacking my dad with a sword... etc. etc... I don't have friends, barely leave home, fail my studies, have mentally and physically (due to constant stress and sleepless nights) been torn down (thus I can't assist the situation adequately anymore... I have enough of all these agression and totally wrong and depressing thoughts my mother/parents express...)... since 2 weeks now, though, my mother's been in hospital for a psychological screening (she gets home in weekends and on wednesdays), and I finally can become a bit sane and self-assured, get some rest etc... but I need to make my mind up about what I want to do with my life from here on... there's something not right with it... or with me, lol...

Dear poster/254856, what makes you think your parents are real, maybe they're simulacrum like the rest of this fake and phony society [link to www.west.net] anyway regardless, you've got to consider the virtue of selfishness~ayn rand and search your heart for the way of happiness or heartbreak, stay chaste and don't use and be used, try to get independent and be true to yourself or real="authentic" just my idea

evidently the balance of my post after link didn't post: I mentioned considering the virtue of selfishness~ayn rand and searching the heart for the way to happiness or heartache, advised staying chaste and not using or being used, just my ideas etc.

You need not be a bouncing ball and you need not take upon yourself those things which you know rightfully do not belong to yourself. Please note that I mentioned with exceptions. You do not sound like an adolescent but you do sound tired, convicted without judge or jury of your peers. You , should you elect to remain in these conditons, provide yourself with a trusted adult or emotionally secure friend to use as a sounding board and couseling. If you have a church wherein you have any comfort, most of them would provide an ear for you. Even an internet counseling effort with some judgement as to it's source.
My mother spent two years in a mental institution. I took care of my very hostile, manipulating mother-in-law who spent her time trying to get my husband to take her to her own home and him with her.
I will not open other events or history into my life because it all served it's purpose and neither my mother nor my mother-in-law are bad people they are damaged people, with hearts that hurt and little understanding sufficient to go beyond their hurts, carrying with them to the extent it enshrouds all around them. Pretty heavy baggage, always seeking help in carrying it.
No one will give us the relief we seek but ourselves and if you are a believer, God. Analyse what kekep you there doing what you are. Is she able to physically assume more care of herself? Where is your father in this?
I was amazed at so many of the responses and still am as to the question that was posed. I pray that you will ask the right questions of yourself as you have laid out a very sorry picture and prhaps there are limits as to what your involvement might need to be and obviously lines to be drawn on how you are treated. I finally told my mother -in- law that she was horribly rude and unbelievable living in my home and me trying to please her every way I could. She still talks about me behind my back to others and lies but I no longer let it get to me as it does not belong to me, it is hers and she apparently enjoys it.
I pray that your life takes a new hopeful direction.

Here's the link on counterfeit humans, really true at least in an abstract if not real sense [link to www.west.net]

Interesting.

Dear poster/205866 there is much to discuss regarding simulacra and simulation and authenticity, here's a snip" Exceptional article on fake authenticity -- recco, 23:22:32 06/13/07 Wed [1]
[link to www.hermenaut.com]

Bringing a new child into this madhouse is not evil, it is a chance we are giving us to defeat evil. What would've happen if Mary and Joseph thought that giving birth to Jesus under the roman empire rule was something evil ?

Dear poster/Starseeder, how many chances does it take? with over six billions and still no winning combination, in fact it looks as though evil prevails and yet everybaby a potential messiah? come on now and get real! your story involved prophecy and bloodlines just for starters although some merit exists to the idea of everyman as jesus"(wept?) apparently has some merit if you wish your children to be sacrificed to molech like cannon fodder? In reality jesus is an archetype and spiritual rather than carnal which shows how backwards people have things, then too I'm for virgin births if you can have them which I think not, so really without dragging this out your post seems nonsensical QED, I want everyone to have a decent life, yet there is only so much and you have corrupt forces like govt dominating and preying on you and reality is stark

Should people have children just because of the off-chance that their next child might "save humanity", or that their child will be a "gift" to the world? Isn't it more likely that their child will contribute to the "destruction" of humanity by passively supporting whatever person/agency/forces are in power, or just be another mouth to feed?

If people stopped having children, we could really enjoy the next (and last) 100 years of human life on this planet.

We could use up all of the earth's resources in one huge super-party.

We could binge on anything and everything without having to worry about the future.

Lotta teen angst in this thread. Go listen to some 'Simple Plan' and cry about how your daddy don't love you.

I'm with poster/205866, may as well have a good time while we're here and let tommorrow take care of itself. Then too it's far worse than poster/25717? states about people going along because they do as they accept what they are presented, far worse than going along with evil they'll likely be victimised by it, is that what you want? your children crucified as victims? California is considering manditory spaying and it seems a good idea all around.

You posture as though you think not wanting to reproduce is by some convolution of logic selfish or childish. In fact, the very opposite is true, because if you don't have children, you don't have to hog more of the earth's resources feeding them. You seem to assert that teenagers are primarily the ones not enthralled with the idea of reproduction; if that's what you think, then you should check out what childfree (voluntarily childfree, as opposed to childless, which means involuntarily) adults have to say: [link to www.childfree.net]

Dear chidfree/275173, of course it's selfish any way you look at it and thanks for reading and misunderstanding my posts, Kind Regards~dan

dan, you are so cool. It is a good thing I was blacklisted, because you cannot teach anyone anything anyway.
The hardest thing in my life by far was to not reproduce. I really had to be shut down entirely for a decade to stop the drive. I do not fault anyone for failing to stop their drive to reproduce.
Reason and experience cannot combat the drive.

Dear poster/257307, you say "Blacklisted" as in? because it is hard to stop people posting ideas. I would affirm the idea of resistance to thoughts and ideas however be persistant and the idea seeds sown today may emerge later after it sinks in and roots in consciousness. As for sex drive, you can fight it, probably some drug could turn it off which sex is a type of madness. This world should be a lot of things it isn't and children should be intended rather than a busted rubber/female promiscuity, regardless once here it evermore looks like overcrowded hell on earth, I would support the idea of manditory sterility that would require licensing, bonding and an operation to allow fertility since the 85% Rh-esus positive have proclivities to monkey with sex. Once here it occurs, why was it in sin my mother did concieve me for the world is made of evil thoughts and evil doings. stay chaste and let the evil breed itself hell on earth.

You all chose to come to this world, but the fact is you all made the decision out of ignorance.
Choosing the pleasures of material life and the beautiful aspects of this world means choosing pain, suffering and ugliness as well, because these things can't be separated in this material world, Begeting a child through a pleasurable act means condemning the new being to death. This is a world were destruction and creation, death and birth coexist and cannot be separated, you can only chose both of these things, but it's only through ignorance that you forget about the other side of life here.

You can talk about incarnating on you own, nice way to pass it off, but I wonder how you are going to feel knowing that you brought kids in this world to starve, get nuked, live in third world conditions, etc, I call that selfishnes. Wake up people its about your ego and someday you will have to explain that to your kids. Ozzie and Harriet are dead and its a brave new world. There is too many of us on the planet and she is going to shake your chillins off its back and soon.

Better policy no glove no love

Life is for learning. And you are in one hell of a steep learning curve. Been there, done that!

Only the white races think this way - which is by they are piling up their own funeral pyre by failing to breed.The brown , black and yellow races are not at all handicapped by such self-pitying drivel......they will - no they ARE...inheriting the white homelands.

Not so, China realised the folly of breeding like rats and adopted the one child is enough policy strategy to curb wanton reproduction; now china is experiencing dramatic improvements and children mean something. What you're talking about is a phenomenon of multiculturalism where the lowest common denominator tends to become the bottomline, so be it, stay chaste and let them breed themselves hell on earth, everything about it is stupid, wanton breeding like rats is stupid and stupid is as stupid does and so it is we must pity them

OP you need to stop blaming other people because you're an idiot.

It's not your parents fault you are a dumb fuck - you managed that all by your self.

Now stop fucking whining and get a job. Apparently it didn't work when you where a child, whining that is, and you are still pissed about it. You missed the point piss-boy. Whining doesn’t help. One must DO something about one's own situation. Whining little shits like you make no progress.

Your parents probably did suck - they should have smacked the shit out of you every time you started this shit. Instead, here you are all grown up and whining like a fucking baby.

Now stop whining maggot – go get a life if you want to be happy. You are NOT entitled to goodness just because you where born. It’s up to you, piss-boy, to make some progress for yourself.

My Goodness dear poster/114060, a bit nippy this morning like an old tart are we? As for whining, yes why don't YOU stop whining because someone had enough courage to step forward like the prophets of old and tell you openly that everything you presuppose and cram down everyone's throat is flatly WRONG! Now get out there and wrong and pay taxes like a good minion of satan! Govt told you were a monkey, taught you to pay taxes and have more chimps pratically creating the cloned monkey army of the wicked witches..it's high time a pail of water was thrown your way too!

Dear OP,

You are absolutely right! Bringing children into this world is a selfish act (so is everything we do in this life). There is no such thing as altruism.

Children are our immortality. A bit of me here, there, thrown to the winds of time.

I personally wouldn't have it any other way. You can choose your own selfish acts. Children are one of my mine.

Sincerely,

JLazarus

Dan,

My post was addressing the OP. I only made it to about the top of page two reading their hostel responses before I’d had enough.

You however have made some interesting points intelligently.

I have had plenty of pails of water dumped on me. Many times have I stood up with dignity, dried off and rebuilt by situation. I know virtue; I have fought out of a hole more than once.

OP sounds like a little kid who broke his toy. I have little patience for people who act 6 years old that are not 6. I also tend to communicate with people on their level – thus the tirade.

Be well sir…….

Pardon' if I may address lazarus and poster/114060 because it seems the basic premise decrying wanton reproduction regardless how pronounced is correct. I've researched and know society is phony, I know people rationalise what they do and won't accept they're wrong just as the crowd demanded Lot give the angels up to their depravity, but life on earth is the essence of manifest depravity in obvious wanton excess. Now jesus claimed he had the keys to the gates of hell and yet Pandora's Box remains wide open pouring evil upon earth. When it comes to selfishness, common law is you can't do things that impinge on other's rights and yet that is exactly what is being done by creating excess populations that are forced to live in socialised systems that truncate individual rights and liberties in the name of the greater good for the greater number tresspassing upon authentic rule of law to do so in the name of immorality masquerading as body politic.

I would never choose to inhabit FLESH. Hopefully this is the last time that I have to experience THIS world.