"Palestinian Arabs are not indigenous of the Land of Israel!" | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 256770 United States 06/25/2007 02:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44658 United States 06/25/2007 02:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1)No link so you suck. 2)There is no mention in your paste job of Abbas saying what you say he says. 3) Anyone with a clue knows Abu Mazen is a puppet of the USA and Israel. Which is why he was defeated in the elections last year. 4) Hamas was elected fairly. Since then Israel has kidnapped and imprisoned most of the palestinian govenment. You are a liar. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 256839 Netherlands 06/25/2007 02:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | History of the Palestine should be enough to satisfy: The Greek form Palaistinêi from which English "Palestine" is ultimately derived, was first used in the 5th century BCE by Herodotus who wrote of the "district of Syria, called Palaistinêi". The boundaries of the area he referred to were not explicitly stated, but Josephus used the name only for Philistia. Ptolemy also used the term. In Latin language, Pliny wrote of a region of Syria that was "formerly called Palaestina" when describing the eastern coast of the Mediterranean. ............. During the 19th century, the "Ottoman Government employed the term Arz-i Filistin (the 'Land of Palestine') in official correspondence....... In European usage up to World War I, "Palestine" was used informally for a region that extended in the north-south direction typically from Raphia (south-east of Gaza) to the Litani River (now in Lebanon). ............ [link to www.en.wikipedia.org] I hope the above link still works. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 256839 Netherlands 06/25/2007 02:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The link given above to the wikipedia historical article on Palestine should be: [link to en.wikipedia.org] More from that site, which says Palestine is an ancient land: The term "Palestine" derives from the word Philistine,[3] the word in Hebrew is פְּלְשְׁתִּים Pelishtim, this word is derived from the word פְּלִישָׁה Pelisha, meaning invasion or incursion. The name was given to the non-Semitic ethnic group, originating from Southern Greece, closely related to early Mycenaean civilization.[4] Inhabiting a smaller area on the southern coast called Philistia, whose borders approximate the modern Gaza Strip, Philistia encompassed the five cities of Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron, and Gath. Egyptian texts of the temple at Medinet Habu, record a people called the P-r-s-t (conventionally Peleset), one of the Sea Peoples who invaded Egypt in Ramesses III's reign. This is considered very likely to be a reference to the Philistines. The Hebrew name Peleshet (Hebrew: פלשת Pəléshseth), usually translated as Philistia in English, is used in the Bible to denote their southern coastal region. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 256839 Netherlands 06/25/2007 02:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 245655 United States 06/25/2007 02:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First let me say wikipedia isn't a reliable source because people can change the info posted there,moving on. This is kinda long but read it anyway. A provocative headline? It's more than that. It's the truth. Truth does not change. Truth is truth. If something was true 50 years ago, 40 years ago, 30 years ago, it is still true today. And the truth is that only 30 years ago, there was very little confusion on this issue of Palestine. You might remember the late Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir making the bold political statement: "There is no such thing as a Palestinian people." The statement has been a source of ridicule and derision by Arab propagandists ever since. They love to talk about Golda Meir's "racism." They love to suggest she was in historical denial. They love to say her statement is patently false – an intentional lie, a strategic deception. What they don't like to talk about, however, are the very similar statements made by Yasser Arafat and his inner circle of political leadership years after Meir had told the truth – that there is no distinct Palestinian cultural or national identity. So, despite the fact that conventional wisdom has now proclaimed that there is such a thing as the Palestinian people, I'm going to raise those uncomfortable quotations made by Arafat and his henchmen when their public-relations guard was down. Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said: The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan. That's pretty clear, isn't it? It's even more specific than Golda Meir's statement. It reaffirms what I have written on this subject. And it is hardly the only such statement of its kind. Arafat himself made a very definitive and unequivocal statement along these lines as late as 1993. It demonstrates conclusively that the Palestinian nationhood argument is the real strategic deception – one geared to set up the destruction of Israel. In fact, on the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he explained his actions on Jordan TV. Here's what he said: "Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel." No matter how many people convince themselves that the aspirations for Palestinian statehood are genuine and the key to peace in the Middle East, they are still deceiving themselves. I've said it before and I will say it again, in the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as Palestine was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland. It was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation. Why now has it become such a critical priority? The answer is because of a massive deception campaign and relentless terrorism over 40 years. Golda Meir was right. Her statement is validated by the truth of history and by the candid, but not widely circulated, pronouncements of Arafat and his lieutenants. Israel and the West must not surrender to terrorism by granting the killers just what they want – a public relations triumph and a strategic victory. It's not too late to say no to terrorism. It's not too late to say no to another Arab terror state. It's not too late to tell the truth about Palestine. [link to www.worldnetdaily.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 256736 United Kingdom 06/25/2007 03:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1)No link so you suck. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 446582)There is no mention in your paste job of Abbas saying what you say he says. 3) Anyone with a clue knows Abu Mazen is a puppet of the USA and Israel. Which is why he was defeated in the elections last year. 4) Hamas was elected fairly. Since then Israel has kidnapped and imprisoned most of the palestinian govenment. You are a liar. Lying is what the Tribe do best. I'm not sure they can even tell the truth because it goes against their religion. The twat asks for an apology? HE IS INSANE!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 245655 United States 06/25/2007 03:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Emperor Kenton User ID: 255028 United States 06/25/2007 03:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 256457 Australia 06/25/2007 03:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69749 Gibraltar 06/25/2007 03:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
mathetes User ID: 233081 United States 06/25/2007 04:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Strange that there were no calls of independence or Statehood during the Egyptian occupation of Gaza 1949-1967 or the Jordanian occupation of the West Bank 1949-1967 even though the PLO was founded in 1964 Maybe this explains it! "There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity, because it is in the interest of the Arabs to encourage a separate Palestinian identity in contrast to Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity is there only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new expedient to continue the fight against Zionism and for Arab unity Zuheir Mohsein, Member of the Supreme Council of the PLO: Trouw (Dutch newspaper) March 31, 1977 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
Paid Poster User ID: 74191 China 06/25/2007 05:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Isaac Brock died for us User ID: 83547 Canada 06/25/2007 05:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Amen its Israel land given to them by god who cares anyway it all belongs to god Quoting: Paid PosterGod is a real-estate-broker? The lease includes certain terms for which non-performance leads to eviction. This includes the obligation to desist from all crop cultivation and cancellation of all debts every seven years. The next sabbatical year begins in September 2007. since the beginning of the Zionist movement, these terms have been violated with the agreement of the chief rabbinate. owner of an extensive collection of curios from the exotic orient |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 252165 United States 06/25/2007 05:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Second, the parenthetic "in the region" was clearly inserted by MEMRI for propaganda purposes. Abbas did not necessarily intend that meaning. Third, Abbas' most likely meaning of "arrival" was the spiritual arrival of Islam to the region. Since he is talking about ancient churches, he is simply saying the obvious--that Palestine was Christian long before it was majority Muslim. By analogy, devout Christian leaders often speak of the arrival of Christianity to a region the same way. But fourth and most important: Whether Palestinians got to the region 4000, 2000, or 'only' 1300 years ago is totally irrelevant. 1300 years of continuous residence is more than enough to establish them as the indigenous inhabitants of the land. I am always amazed how idiots on all sides of the Palestinian conflict try to dredge up 1000-year-old history, as if it had any relevance whatsoever to modern international justice. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 256879 United States 06/25/2007 05:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 243758 Slovakia 06/25/2007 06:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 255616 Australia 06/25/2007 06:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Grizzled Old Goat User ID: 256896 Canada 06/25/2007 07:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1)No link so you suck. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2567362)There is no mention in your paste job of Abbas saying what you say he says. 3) Anyone with a clue knows Abu Mazen is a puppet of the USA and Israel. Which is why he was defeated in the elections last year. 4) Hamas was elected fairly. Since then Israel has kidnapped and imprisoned most of the palestinian govenment. You are a liar. Lying is what the Tribe do best. I'm not sure they can even tell the truth because it goes against their religion. The twat asks for an apology? HE IS INSANE!! Go ahead and scream, froth - and stomp your feet. You cant change history.. :tr00th: The mullahphone is ON |
ButchHowdy User ID: 216592 United States 06/25/2007 07:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 252165 United States 06/25/2007 07:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So 252165 you say, that looting, robbery and murder after 1300 years will not be looting, robbery and murder? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 243758Unrepentant murderers, on all sides, will be punished in Gehenna for all eternity; but the murderers of 1300 years ago are long dead. We have no right to punish the distant descendants of those ancient murderers. Or are you suggesting that we, today, punish the distant descendants of those who agitated for the murder of Jesus of Nazareth? |
anonomos coward User ID: 255652 United States 06/25/2007 07:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1)No link so you suck. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 446582)There is no mention in your paste job of Abbas saying what you say he says. 3) Anyone with a clue knows Abu Mazen is a puppet of the USA and Israel. Which is why he was defeated in the elections last year. 4) Hamas was elected fairly. Since then Israel has kidnapped and imprisoned most of the palestinian govenment. You are a liar. no! he is not a liar, abbas does say that the church stood there way before any arabs got there!you must be delusional if you think 'hamas' take over is a good thing, abbas represents a more reasonable and pracicle partner for peace, unless you think that all out war with 'hamas' is a good thing, by the way check out the 'street' sentiment now in gaza, the people totally regert the anarchy they supported. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 214158 United States 06/25/2007 07:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Grizzled Old Goat User ID: 256896 Canada 06/25/2007 07:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Abbas Speech: This is a Struggle Between the Nat'l Project & the Emirate of Darkness Quoting: Dismas[Dr. Aaron Lerner - IMRA: " One of the oldest churches in Palestine, which stood long before our arrival [in the region], was looted. " Years of propaganda, that the Palestinians are the original indigenous population of the region down the toilet! Great post Dismas! Catch of the year! And to the appeasatards.. :thbbt: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 256915 United States 06/25/2007 08:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 246581 United States 06/25/2007 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 255690 United States 06/25/2007 08:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 236586 Netherlands 06/25/2007 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 256776 Australia 06/25/2007 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ok, so the yanks of now are not indeginous to what is now called the usa. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 236586when are you going back to europe then? oh, you wont? so wont the palestinians then. Yes, and the same can also be said for the many European or American Jews who make a claim to living in Israel. If those 'non-indigenous' Jews feel they have the right to live there, why can't the Palestinians? |
19.47™ User ID: 6933 United Kingdom 06/25/2007 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the disobedient Jews has exterminated all the peoples along with their livestock as God commanded them to do when they entered the Promised Land then we wouldn't have the problems that we do today. However those who know their bible know that there is a bloodbath coming soon because the time of the Gentiles is drawing to its close. |