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OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!
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6/26/2007 3:18 PM
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TRANSLATION: We could care less what the American people think, we're above the law because WE are the law!!
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, Associated Press Writer
4 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The Senate voted Tuesday to jump-start a stalled immigration measure to legalize millions of unlawful immigrants.
President Bush said the bill offered a "historic opportunity for Congress to act," and appeared optimistic about its passage by week's end.
The pivotal test-vote was 64-35 to revive the divisive legislation. It still faces formidable obstacles in the Senate, including bitter opposition by GOP conservatives and attempts by some waverers in both parties to revise its key elements.
Supporters needed 60 votes to scale procedural hurdles and return to the bill. A similar test-vote earlier this month found just 45 supporters, only seven of them Republicans. This time, 24 Republicans joined 39 Democrats and independent Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, to back moving ahead with the bill. Opposing the move were 25 Republicans, nine Democrats and independent Sen. Bernard Sanders of Vermont.
Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., an architect of the bill, said he was proud of the vote, calling it "a major step forward for our national security, for our economy, and for our humanity."
"We did the right thing today because we know the American people sent us here to act on our most urgent problems. We know they will not stand for small political factions getting in the way," Kennedy said in a statement following the vote.
Tuesday's outcome was far from conclusive, however. The measure still must overcome another make-or-break vote as early as Thursday that will also require the backing of 60 senators. And there is no guarantee that it will ultimately attract even the simple majority it needs to pass.
The Senate was preparing to begin voting as early as Tuesday afternoon on some two dozen amendments that have the potential to either sap its support or draw new backers.
Republicans and Democrats alike are deeply conflicted over the measure, which also creates a temporary worker program, strengthens border security and institutes a new system for weeding out illegal immigrants from workplaces.
Bush has mounted an unusually personal effort to defuse Republican opposition to the bill, appearing at a Senate party lunch earlier this month and dispatching two Cabinet secretaries to take up near-constant residence on Capitol Hill to push the compromise.
He called the measure a deal worthy of support. "In a good piece of legislation like this, and a difficult piece of legislation like this, one side doesn't get everything they want," he told business leaders and representatives of religious, Hispanic and agricultural communities earlier Tuesday. "It's a careful compromise
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Pit Viper
User ID: 219427
6/26/2007 3:19 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
Scor~Pios -AKA- Pit Viper
'When the people fear their government, there is tyranny;
When the government fears the people, there is liberty.'
Thomas Jefferson
Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." - Samuel Adams |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 257089
6/26/2007 3:20 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
:67yu8mn32: Quoting: Pit Viper
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 227280
6/26/2007 3:24 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
There are other things in the bill also about refugees from europe an israel coming to the usa...as if they know the SHTF soon.Redheaded Stepchild had some great links on here yesterday. |
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Pit Viper
User ID: 219427
6/26/2007 3:26 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
There are other things in the bill also about refugees from europe an israel coming to the usa...as if they know the SHTF soon.Redheaded Stepchild had some great links on here yesterday. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 227280
Yes, Redheaded Stepchild really did her homework and gave us alot of info. Inform yourself and click this...
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Scor~Pios -AKA- Pit Viper
'When the people fear their government, there is tyranny;
When the government fears the people, there is liberty.'
Thomas Jefferson
Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." - Samuel Adams |
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Mickeyblue
User ID: 170038
6/26/2007 3:26 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
Well I will have a phone bill coming reflecting my efforts to thwart this vote for cloture.
The effort should not be aborted, it is more important now, perhaps, to change the message, writing a short cogent response to this vote with the message that your votes will not be forthcoming in behalf of your elected representative who voted for this. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32062 (OP)
6/26/2007 3:28 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
There are other things in the bill also about refugees from europe an israel coming to the usa...as if they know the SHTF soon.Redheaded Stepchild had some great links on here yesterday. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 227280
What I want to know, and what we'll probably never find out is what our elected officials (the ones pushing this through) are gaining by this horsecrap of a bill. As far as I can tell the average (legal) American gains nothing by it and in fact, loses in the long run. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 220500
6/26/2007 3:34 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
There are other things in the bill also about refugees from europe an israel coming to the usa...as if they know the SHTF soon.Redheaded Stepchild had some great links on here yesterday.
What I want to know, and what we'll probably never find out is what our elected officials (the ones pushing this through) are gaining by this horsecrap of a bill. As far as I can tell the average (legal) American gains nothing by it and in fact, loses in the long run. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32062
I suspect it has to do with the super highway and having open borders for the entire continent. It does nothing for the people, but a lot for the corporations.
We the people are so screwed. We will all be as poor as the people in Mexico. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 86443
6/26/2007 3:46 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
:67yu8mn32: Quoting: Pit Viper
F&cking right..
They must really hate us or they some shit coming down the pipe in the future of where we will need Mexico to live. |
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Dumb-mock-racy
User ID: 257582
6/26/2007 3:52 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
Lets all help these undocumented workers...
Get your:
Birth Certificate
Social Security Card
Drivers License
Passport...etc.
Now go down to the nearest landscaping or construction site
and give these documents to the first non-english speaking person you can find. This will help change their status and
get them to the front of the line.
Don't worry you won't need these things any more.
They are as valuable as monopoly money.
The country that issued them died today.
This also allows you to get in the back of the line
for a much better benifit package. |
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itdincor
User ID: 255065
6/26/2007 3:58 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
Aww, nuts: those ignorant bastards! Every single member of Congress who voted for this should be ejected from office.
Those rotten, corrupt, ignorant BASTARDS!
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starlight_afar
User ID: 94505
6/26/2007 3:59 PM
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What jobs left in the US if its to be manual work we the born and raised American citizens may soon not have anymore thanks to them coming to take them at cheaper wages. And more will be low income draining or ending the Welfare system, then what will those illegals start doing to the citizens here, I can imagine. How is the Welfare system in Michigan? I read the US will allow 7,000 Iraqi refugees into the US and 2000 in Michigan State. Wow, will they freeze! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 150446
6/26/2007 4:01 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
Luckily,GOP house members have stated today that there is VERY strong opposition to the Shamnesty bill in the House.
Also, ALL house members come up for reelection in 2008.
They KNOW they will be out on their ear if they support the selling out of Americans, the way that shameless shitheads like Teddy Kennedy are doing. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 257587
6/26/2007 4:06 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
:67yu8mn32:
F&cking right..
They must really hate us or they some shit coming down the pipe in the future of where we will need Mexico to live. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86443
THEY will need Mexico for sumpin'. THEY need more dumbass victims who need f*ckin' Kennedys...too bad Lee Harvey didn't have a twin brother.... Damn them! dam their children's children to the 20th generation if there was gonna be an Ammerica that long!!! Buy ammo toiplet papaer and move to a cave....we are soooo f*cked..... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 227280
6/26/2007 4:06 PM | |
Pissed!
User ID: 253589
6/26/2007 4:19 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
What do we need to do start shooting these congressman before they do what we want? A-hole sellouts! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 238647
6/26/2007 4:29 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
What jobs left in the US if its to be manual work we the born and raised American citizens may soon not have anymore thanks to them coming to take them at cheaper wages. And more will be low income draining or ending the Welfare system, then what will those illegals start doing to the citizens here, I can imagine. How is the Welfare system in Michigan? I read the US will allow 7,000 Iraqi refugees into the US and 2000 in Michigan State. Wow, will they freeze! Quoting: starlight_afar
Michigan has the largest amount of middle eastern people in the US. I think its like 2 million! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 246693
6/26/2007 4:36 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
NEWSFLASH!
TUESDAY, JUNE 26, 2007
THE VOTE WAS PUT ON HOLD BECAUSE 300 PAGES OF THE AMNESTY BILL ISN'T EVEN PRINTED YET, SO THAT ALL CAN READ IT.
TALK ABOUT RUSHING A BILL THROUGH!! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 10104
6/26/2007 4:42 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
I think about half of the American people want a bill and the people we all elected did their best to come up with something.
I understand that a lot of you are so against it that you can't even understand how anyone could not agree with you on this issue, but that's because you're all a bunch of paranoids.
I can find a lot to nit-pick about this bill, but I still think it's better than nothing at all.
I hope it passes.
Then all you guys can vote against the congress-critters who voted the way you didn't like -- and we'll see first-hand just how popular your views really are. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 255950
6/26/2007 4:44 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
NEWSFLASH!
TUESDAY, JUNE 26, 2007
THE VOTE WAS PUT ON HOLD BECAUSE 300 PAGES OF THE AMNESTY BILL ISN'T EVEN PRINTED YET, SO THAT ALL CAN READ IT.
TALK ABOUT RUSHING A BILL THROUGH!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 246693
Indeed this bill is not yet a Done Thing. The amendments are waiting in the wing, and the chances are really high that WE will not get to see the texts of any of these amendments before they are debated on the Floor of the Senate so we can read along. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 255950
6/26/2007 4:51 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
Democracy btw means that 50.001% of the people get to tell that other 49.999% what to do.
But then the democracy we are speaking of on this or any other bill is a simple majority (or 2/3's majority) of 536 People... a.k.a. Congress.
Now, let's consider this for a moment, there are roughly 300 Million US Citizens being represented by these 535 Congress Critters +1 VP. that is a total of 536 people... now those 536 make up 536/300,000,000 = .00000178% of the people. This is representative democracy? ANd so we see that those .00000178% decide what the rest of us, the 99.99999822% can or can not do. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 625
6/26/2007 4:51 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
God bless the illegal immigrants |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 257089
6/26/2007 4:53 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
I think about half of the American people want a bill and the people we all elected did their best to come up with something.
I understand that a lot of you are so against it that you can't even understand how anyone could not agree with you on this issue, but that's because you're all a bunch of paranoids.
I can find a lot to nit-pick about this bill, but I still think it's better than nothing at all.
I hope it passes.
Then all you guys can vote against the congress-critters who voted the way you didn't like -- and we'll see first-hand just how popular your views really are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10104
What planet are you from dont you know what has happened to this counmtry since the invaision and keeping them here is ok?ILLEGAL.Do you know what that means?? If I did something illegal would you say it was ok like murder your family? That's illegal or used your credit cards fraudulently? It's about up holding the laws and no making exceptions!! You are sad or uneducated.... |
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locomotion nli
User ID: 257549
6/26/2007 5:01 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
Ah, 535 will be so pleased...or is he #536 ?? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 246693
6/26/2007 5:01 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
OK SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN,
YOU WANT TO GET YOUR ILLEGAL BILL PASSED AND TRY TO HURT THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS MORE WITH YOUR ILLEGAL PROCESSES?
WE CAN GET ILLEGAL TOO. |
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starlight_afar
User ID: 94505
6/26/2007 5:07 PM
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We may end up having a civil war in this Country or the Mexicans may want to take back New Mexico and Texas. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25
6/26/2007 5:13 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
I think about half of the American people want a bill and the people we all elected did their best to come up with something.
I understand that a lot of you are so against it that you can't even understand how anyone could not agree with you on this issue, but that's because you're all a bunch of paranoids.
I can find a lot to nit-pick about this bill, but I still think it's better than nothing at all.
I hope it passes.
Then all you guys can vote against the congress-critters who voted the way you didn't like -- and we'll see first-hand just how popular your views really are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10104
Did you just step off that mile-long UFO they spotted in Great Britain? There was an immigration bill (Immigration Reform & Control Act) signed back in 1986 under Ronald Reagan, and it STILL has not been implemented!! What makes you think they will uphold the law and enforce this bill?
[link to en.wikipedia.org] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 191988
6/26/2007 5:17 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
Being nice doesn't work. We follow the rules, they don't.
Now it's time for deaththreats. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 173402
6/26/2007 5:24 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
As far as I can tell the average (legal) American gains nothing by it and in fact, loses in the long run. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32062
You are correct. So a properly framed question might be: Why would they vote for such a law if it was contrary to good policy? The next step in your learning would be to formulate a theory as to why, and test it out. |
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proton
User ID: 257371
6/26/2007 5:24 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
Here's the whole article:
[link to www.cis.org]
Here's a quote:
"Republican lawmakers we spoke with knew that naturalized Latin American immigrants and their offspring vote mostly for the Democratic Party, but still most of them (all except five) were unambiguously in favor of amnesty and of continued mass immigration (at least from Mexico). This seemed paradoxical, and explaining their motivations was more challenging. However, while acknowledging that they may not now receive their votes, they believed that these immigrants are more malleable than the existing American: That with enough care, convincing, and "teaching," they could be converted, be grateful, and become dependent on them. Republicans seemed to idealize the patron-client relation with Hispanics as much as their Democratic competitors did. Curiously, three out of the five lawmakers that declared their opposition to amnesty and increased immigration (all Republicans), were from border states.
Also curiously, the Republican enthusiasm for increased immigration also was not so much about voting in the end, even with "converted" Latinos. Instead, these legislators seemingly believed that they could weaken the restraining and frustrating straightjacket devised by the Founding Fathers and abetted by American norms. In that idealized "new" United States, political uncertainty, demanding constituents, difficult elections, and accountability in general would "go away" after tinkering with the People, who have given lawmakers their privileges but who, like a Sword of Damocles, can also "unfairly" take them away. Hispanics would acquiesce and assist in the "natural progress" of these legislators to remain in power and increase the scope of that power. In this sense, Republicans and Democrats were similar.
While I can recall many accolades for the Mexican immigrants and for Mexican-Americans (one white congressman even gave me a "high five" when recalling that Californian Hispanics were headed for majority status), I remember few instances when a legislator spoke well of his or her white constituents. One even called them "rednecks," and apologized to us on their behalf for their incorrect attitude on immigration. Most of them seemed to advocate changing the ethnic composition of the United States as an end in itself. Jefferson and Madison would have perhaps understood why this is so—enthusiasm for mass immigration seems to be correlated with examples of undermining the "just and constitutional laws" they devised.
One leading Republican senator over a period of months was advising us, through a mutual acquaintance, about which mechanisms to follow and which other legislators to lobby in order to ensure passage of the amnesty proposal. In the meantime, he would speak on television about the need to "militarize" the border. This senator was recently singled out by a taxpayer’s advocacy group as a leader in "pork"-related politics." |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25
6/26/2007 5:27 PM | | Re: SENATE VOTES TO ADVANCE IMMIGRATION BILL | Quote |
Here's the whole article:
[ link to www.cis.org]
Here's a quote:
"Republican lawmakers we spoke with knew that naturalized Latin American immigrants and their offspring vote mostly for the Democratic Party, but still most of them (all except five) were unambiguously in favor of amnesty and of continued mass immigration (at least from Mexico). This seemed paradoxical, and explaining their motivations was more challenging. However, while acknowledging that they may not now receive their votes, they believed that these immigrants are more malleable than the existing American: That with enough care, convincing, and "teaching," they could be converted, be grateful, and become dependent on them. Republicans seemed to idealize the patron-client relation with Hispanics as much as their Democratic competitors did. Curiously, three out of the five lawmakers that declared their opposition to amnesty and increased immigration (all Republicans), were from border states.
Also curiously, the Republican enthusiasm for increased immigration also was not so much about voting in the end, even with "converted" Latinos. Instead, these legislators seemingly believed that they could weaken the restraining and frustrating straightjacket devised by the Founding Fathers and abetted by American norms. In that idealized "new" United States, political uncertainty, demanding constituents, difficult elections, and accountability in general would "go away" after tinkering with the People, who have given lawmakers their privileges but who, like a Sword of Damocles, can also "unfairly" take them away. Hispanics would acquiesce and assist in the "natural progress" of these legislators to remain in power and increase the scope of that power. In this sense, Republicans and Democrats were similar.
While I can recall many accolades for the Mexican immigrants and for Mexican-Americans (one white congressman even gave me a "high five" when recalling that Californian Hispanics were headed for majority status), I remember few instances when a legislator spoke well of his or her white constituents. One even called them "rednecks," and apologized to us on their behalf for their incorrect attitude on immigration. Most of them seemed to advocate changing the ethnic composition of the United States as an end in itself. Jefferson and Madison would have perhaps understood why this is so—enthusiasm for mass immigration seems to be correlated with examples of undermining the "just and constitutional laws" they devised.
One leading Republican senator over a period of months was advising us, through a mutual acquaintance, about which mechanisms to follow and which other legislators to lobby in order to ensure passage of the amnesty proposal. In the meantime, he would speak on television about the need to "militarize" the border. This senator was recently singled out by a taxpayer’s advocacy group as a leader in "pork"-related politics."
This is no longer about politics, as there are whores and traitors in both parties. |
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