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Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 196961
6/27/2007 11:23 AM | |
Emperor Kenton
User ID: 255028 (OP)
6/27/2007 11:30 AM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
I quote pygar from digg.com. :muttley:
congratulations to some outstanding quality bullishit
I was observing this thread since yesturday and I'm not surprised it's been recieving this much interest. If you look at the aledged photos bullshit's written all over them :) As one poster on digg.com pointed out the EXIF metadata is missing on all the aledged "UFO" photos Quoting: N.O.S. OEM
What is EXIF metadata?
Help us out here please. |
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Truth Seeker
User ID: 170894
6/27/2007 11:32 AM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
You have lost your credibility on this topic!
No, -you've- lost your credibility on this topic!
Don't take it personally, You just have no viable argument here. If you opened your mind as much as you open your cybermouth regarding this topic you might actually learn something... and BTW did you study ALL of Isaac's material carefully... I submit that you either haven't or you made a cursory perusement of it with a closed mind. |
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N.O.S. OEM
User ID: 257974
6/27/2007 11:43 AM
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EXIF stands for EXchangeable Image Format. EXIF metadata's basicaly extensions to image file formats that hold the camera settings used to take the picture. Most digital cameras support EXIF and save the data in the file headers. However, when an image is edited, the EXIF data may be automatically removed by the software. An EXIF reader is a utility that is used to read, display and save EXIF data from a file. Exifer is a popular utility used for this purpouse. Here's an example of EXIF metadata for one of the ceiling fan UFO images:
[link to i19.tinypic.com] |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 255028 (OP)
6/27/2007 11:50 AM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
EXIF stands for EXchangeable Image Format. EXIF metadata's basicaly extensions to image file formats that hold the camera settings used to take the picture. Most digital cameras support EXIF and save the data in the file headers. However, when an image is edited, the EXIF data may be automatically removed by the software. An EXIF reader is a utility that is used to read, display and save EXIF data from a file. Exifer is a popular utility used for this purpouse. Here's an example of EXIF metadata for one of the ceiling fan UFO images:
[ link to i19.tinypic.com]
Thanks,
Reading here:
[link to www.dl-c.com]
Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2004 - 10:49 am
There is a known problem with EXIF data for JPEG files. EXIF data is fully preserved for TIFF files.
Jonathan Sachs
Digital Light & Color |
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N.O.S. OEM
User ID: 257974
6/27/2007 11:56 AM
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Here's EXIF data for the picture from the earthfiles link when I used exifer:
[link to i17.tinypic.com]
The important detail to look for here is:
Firmware Version: Adobe Photoshop CS2 Macintosh
I'm not saying that the image can be declared as 100% Photoshop doctored because Photoshop can also be used to resize and crop images among other things, but no one can prove that it is a 100% authentic either :) This is one of the reasons for my skepticism about these aledged drones :) |
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shaggy
User ID: 92050
6/27/2007 11:58 AM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
the "ceiling fans" have come to our planet to save us from global warming. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 255028 (OP)
6/27/2007 12:09 PM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
RE:
[link to i19.tinypic.com]
Not knowing much about Exif, I googled
Looking over here:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
* Photo manipulation software sometimes fails to update the embedded thumbnail after an editing operation, possibly causing the user to inadvertently publish compromising information.[3]
* Exif metadata is restricted in size to 64 kB in JPEG images because according to specification this information must be contained within a single JPEG APP1 segment. Although the FlashPix extensions allow information to span multiple JPEG APP2 segments, these extensions are not commonly used. This has prompted some camera manufacturers to develop non-standard techniques for storing the large preview images used by some digital cameras for LCD review. These non-standard extensions are commonly lost if a user re-saves the image using image editor software, possibly rendering the image incompatible with the original camera that created it.
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So when Photoshop, say version 5.0, converts dig-cam data to jpeg and then compresses, say to 30kb for web presentation, is any Exif data left? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 168725
6/27/2007 12:10 PM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
I like the term holographic technology. There is something very true in it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 257992
6/27/2007 12:19 PM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
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N.O.S. OEM
User ID: 257974
6/27/2007 12:30 PM
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RE:
[ link to i19.tinypic.com]
Not knowing much about Exif, I googled
Looking over here:
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
* Photo manipulation software sometimes fails to update the embedded thumbnail after an editing operation, possibly causing the user to inadvertently publish compromising information.[3]
* Exif metadata is restricted in size to 64 kB in JPEG images because according to specification this information must be contained within a single JPEG APP1 segment. Although the FlashPix extensions allow information to span multiple JPEG APP2 segments, these extensions are not commonly used. This has prompted some camera manufacturers to develop non-standard techniques for storing the large preview images used by some digital cameras for LCD review. These non-standard extensions are commonly lost if a user re-saves the image using image editor software, possibly rendering the image incompatible with the original camera that created it.
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So when Photoshop, say version 5.0, converts dig-cam data to jpeg and then compresses, say to 30kb for web presentation, is any Exif data left?
When you transfer pictures by using Adobe Photoshop the metadata usualy gets lost depending on the camera model. If you want EXIF correctly preserved you have to transfer images from camera to HDD by using the OEM software provided by the camera manufacturer. Anyways... objectively speaking everyone is entitled to their own opinion on this matter. I'm skeptical so far. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 255028 (OP)
6/27/2007 1:00 PM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
RE:
[ link to i19.tinypic.com]
Not knowing much about Exif, I googled
Looking over here:
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
* Photo manipulation software sometimes fails to update the embedded thumbnail after an editing operation, possibly causing the user to inadvertently publish compromising information.[3]
* Exif metadata is restricted in size to 64 kB in JPEG images because according to specification this information must be contained within a single JPEG APP1 segment. Although the FlashPix extensions allow information to span multiple JPEG APP2 segments, these extensions are not commonly used. This has prompted some camera manufacturers to develop non-standard techniques for storing the large preview images used by some digital cameras for LCD review. These non-standard extensions are commonly lost if a user re-saves the image using image editor software, possibly rendering the image incompatible with the original camera that created it.
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So when Photoshop, say version 5.0, converts dig-cam data to jpeg and then compresses, say to 30kb for web presentation, is any Exif data left?
When you transfer pictures by using Adobe Photoshop the metadata usualy gets lost depending on the camera model. If you want EXIF correctly preserved you have to transfer images from camera to HDD by using the OEM software provided by the camera manufacturer. Anyways... objectively speaking everyone is entitled to their own opinion on this matter. I'm skeptical so far.
Skepticism is justified.
Basically trying to figure out if the original Drone images as posted by C2C or Linda Howe or Isaac were invented in Photoshop or processed in Photoshop as I often do to make them ready for uploading to the Internet. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 258021
6/27/2007 1:03 PM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 168725
6/27/2007 1:10 PM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
I think that parts may have no scratches as they are made by using the holographic technology.
From what I understand it could be that the nature indeed obeys the [link to en.wikipedia.org]
As those parts are written into 4D flux of space time they are made of matter that probably has some properties of superfluid confined within certain boundaries and posessing certain properties.
They also may have no dust as they have no electrostatic properties and HAVE NO SCRATCHES. |
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WhiteCosmicWizard
User ID: 99906
6/27/2007 1:52 PM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
What connection does this have with Halo 3? that bungie site said you can see the symbols in the background of the halo site or something... but is this device an actual craft in the game?
When I first saw the pictures they looked fake to me... just too perfect and clear. However the documents were interesting! it is written very well, the terminology and grammar, the way it reads like a high school text book. Also those strange diagrams at the end and the language which looks suprisingly similar to egyptian hyroglyphs and crop circles. However, the guys story doesn't flow. He says he doesn't want to be caught by the government but leaks quite a lot of information which could be used to identify him. He also says he only worked on small parts of this device, yet the documents say there are no small parts, no welding, wires, electrical boards, nuts and bolts, etc. It is basically a piece of steel with symbols on it that is put in some kind of field to make it do whatever the symbols tell it. So basically, if you had a working knowledge of this language, you could make any device you wanted quite easily.
I'm starting to lean more towards this being some kind of stunt/hoax/marketing ploy.
Klaatu Barada Nikto
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 168725
6/27/2007 1:58 PM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
What connection does this have with Halo 3? that bungie site said you can see the symbols in the background of the halo site or something... but is this device an actual craft in the game?
When I first saw the pictures they looked fake to me... just too perfect and clear. However the documents were interesting! it is written very well, the terminology and grammar, the way it reads like a high school text book. Also those strange diagrams at the end and the language which looks suprisingly similar to egyptian hyroglyphs and crop circles. However, the guys story doesn't flow. He says he doesn't want to be caught by the government but leaks quite a lot of information which could be used to identify him. He also says he only worked on small parts of this device, yet the documents say there are no small parts, no welding, wires, electrical boards, nuts and bolts, etc. It is basically a piece of steel with symbols on it that is put in some kind of field to make it do whatever the symbols tell it. So basically, if you had a working knowledge of this language, you could make any device you wanted quite easily.
I'm starting to lean more towards this being some kind of stunt/hoax/marketing ploy. Quoting: WhiteCosmicWizard
Yeah, they probably market a new holographic antigravity technology.
I think that the part on the photos is only a small part (object) of the larger construction (programm). |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 226138
6/27/2007 2:05 PM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
One error I caught in his "explanation" he spells CLOAKING CLACKING... I think he would have proofread his documents a bit more carefully..
Also. CARET sounds a little too much like CARROT.. like they are dangling a CARROT in front of us. Feeding us a little bit of info at a time.
I dont buy this explanation. |
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N.O.S. OEM
User ID: 243185
6/27/2007 2:12 PM
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One error I caught in his "explanation" he spells CLOAKING CLACKING... I think he would have proofread his documents a bit more carefully..
Also. CARET sounds a little too much like CARROT.. like they are dangling a CARROT in front of us. Feeding us a little bit of info at a time.
I dont buy this explanation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 226138
Clackity clack :)
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 19003
6/27/2007 2:14 PM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
ET = Evil Technology |
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ID2268
User ID: 2268
6/27/2007 2:21 PM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
but the thing is anyone wanting to doctor images knows the exif data can be faked, they could easily mkae it look real.
meaning exif contents cannot be used in any way to determine the validity |
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ID2268
User ID: 2268
6/27/2007 2:22 PM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
What connection does this have with Halo 3? that bungie site said you can see the symbols in the background of the halo site or something... but is this device an actual craft in the game?
When I first saw the pictures they looked fake to me... just too perfect and clear. However the documents were interesting! it is written very well, the terminology and grammar, the way it reads like a high school text book. Also those strange diagrams at the end and the language which looks suprisingly similar to egyptian hyroglyphs and crop circles. However, the guys story doesn't flow. He says he doesn't want to be caught by the government but leaks quite a lot of information which could be used to identify him. He also says he only worked on small parts of this device, yet the documents say there are no small parts, no welding, wires, electrical boards, nuts and bolts, etc. It is basically a piece of steel with symbols on it that is put in some kind of field to make it do whatever the symbols tell it. So basically, if you had a working knowledge of this language, you could make any device you wanted quite easily.
I'm starting to lean more towards this being some kind of stunt/hoax/marketing ploy.
Yeah, they probably market a new holographic antigravity technology.
I think that the part on the photos is only a small part (object) of the larger construction (programm). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 168725
agreed i would say the 'A1' generator is probably elsewhere providing the recently sighted crafts with antigravity. |
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N.O.S. OEM
User ID: 243185
6/27/2007 2:24 PM
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Skepticism is justified.
Basically trying to figure out if the original Drone images as posted by C2C or Linda Howe or Isaac were invented in Photoshop or processed in Photoshop as I often do to make them ready for uploading to the Internet. Quoting: Emperor Kenton 255028
That is for each of us to discern on our own, given all the evidence so far, but it would not be an objective view now would it :) Let me tell you somethng though. All the images of the drones in flight so far point to one computer. EXIF metadata is the key. All were manipulated with on a Mac and the creation software was Photoshop CS2. That's somehow strange. Now whether they were compiled fro mvarious sources and shrinked in size for upload purpouses or tampered with for another purpouse that is still a question and time will tell whether those drones are real or a hoax. My opinion so far is "excellent quality PS, CGI, sci-fi bullshit" :) |
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ID2268
User ID: 2268
6/27/2007 2:25 PM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
after reading through all the material and studying the images with the concepts of the material in mind, i am without any ability to find 'holes' in any statement. |
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N.O.S. OEM
User ID: 243185
6/27/2007 2:27 PM
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but the thing is anyone wanting to doctor images knows the exif data can be faked, they could easily mkae it look real.
meaning exif contents cannot be used in any way to determine the validity Quoting: ID2268
Yes. That is very true, but these images all have 2 identical properties and they are: Photoshop CS2 and Macintosh. A quincidence? I believe it is not. |
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ID2268
User ID: 2268
6/27/2007 2:33 PM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
that i didnt know. yet, the chances of the pics coming from macs using cs2...
do both of the photographers own a mac? |
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strange skulls
User ID: 236197
6/27/2007 2:53 PM | |
starbattle
User ID: 249455
6/27/2007 3:47 PM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
If this is real extraterrestrial technology, then, I say let
us go for full disclosure. However, if this is all a hoax, I
say that it is very tragic, in this day and age, when people
who are SINCERELY and HONESTLY looking for the TRUTH, that
hoaxers would go to such EXTREME LENGTHS to make fools of them. What a shame. |
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ID2268
User ID: 2268
6/27/2007 4:00 PM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
If this is real extraterrestrial technology, then, I say let
us go for full disclosure. However, if this is all a hoax, I
say that it is very tragic, in this day and age, when people
who are SINCERELY and HONESTLY looking for the TRUTH, that
hoaxers would go to such EXTREME LENGTHS to make fools of them. What a shame. Quoting: starbattle
EXACTLY this has been taken to very EXTREME lengths to be believable. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 258077
6/27/2007 4:07 PM | | Re: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings | Quote |
as a computer programmer, and as someone who has very good experience with 3D applications in particular, right off the bat I knew that this was fake.
those are computer renderings. there are subtleties in 3D CGI images you can see. here are some hints - the all-white background, the perfect shadowing, lack of perfections/scratches/dust, and of course the ever lacking reflection of people or cameras or anything off of the perfectly shiny objects presented. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 196961
Actually you are wrong, and you can clearly see the symbols reflecting off of opposite sides of the A2 and A3 pieces in the pictures. And "perfect shadowing"? If the shadows are authentic, then wouldn't they be "perfect"? You are banking on the fact that 95% of the people will not look at the pictures again, have no knowledge of graphic programming, and will follow along with your simple attempt to de-bunk these photos. Nice try.
Someone earlier made the claim that the photos were too perfect as well. I'll reitterate...shouldn't these photos be top quality? They weren't exactly taking Cybershots of a used Jetta for ebay now were they. |
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Chosen1
User ID: 245476
6/27/2007 4:22 PM
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I saw a craft in Alaska back in the 80's that looked alot different from the "Ceiling Fan" looking one ..it was larger and more "Alien" looking but it had the same geometric type writings on the bottom of it..so i must say that this guy is on to something....i believe him.
Ok when i mean writings i mean that they werent black and white and didnt stand out like writing on an airplanes wings..like the ones on the "Ceiling Fan" pictures..the writings i saw were metal patterns on the underside of the ship, which must have been huge up close. Indentations and curved metal shapes that from a distance surely looked like some kind of writing or language. |
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