Notes to Newbies: How to Spot Debunking... And Debunkers | |
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D. Bunker ™![]() Forum Administrator User ID: 220552 07/01/2007 05:14 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ![]() [link to sites.google.com] [link to twitter.com] Favorite Quote - "I just fucking love outer space, it has all those planets and stars and shit." - Mister Obvious 2009 |
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| Normal Is Subjective User ID: 260026 07/01/2007 06:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Simpler rule, just keep an eye out for people like the OP Quoting: DrPostmanwho's control issues are so strong they feel the need to tell others how to think. And look out for those enemy lists. Lists are a sure sign of kookiness. Whatever the OPs issues, the points he makes are correct. I thought I'd beat the inevitibility of death to death just a little bit. |
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| The Professor (OP) User ID: 6122 07/01/2007 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People. People. People. Stay focused. A Web Forum Site is a tricky terrain. We are here today to discuss the various forms that debunking may take. There will always be - how shall I put it - assholes, for lack of a better word, on any forum. And there always will be. But they are not our concern. It is the debunkers whom we are striving to observe. Granted, one man's debunker may seem to be another man's freedom fighter, but we are here to make an observation, not a judgement. Lest we forget, after we are familar with the many forms that debunking takes, we will move on to Refuting An Argument. Debunking and Refuting may appear to be similar, but it is only after studying Debunking that we may come to understanding and appreciating Refuting An Argument. |
D. Bunker ™![]() Forum Administrator User ID: 220552 07/01/2007 07:40 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People. People. People. Quoting: The Professor 6122Stay focused. A Web Forum Site is a tricky terrain. We are here today to discuss the various forms that debunking may take. There will always be - how shall I put it - assholes, for lack of a better word, on any forum. And there always will be. But they are not our concern. It is the debunkers whom we are striving to observe. Granted, one man's debunker may seem to be another man's freedom fighter, but we are here to make an observation, not a judgement. Lest we forget, after we are familar with the many forms that debunking takes, we will move on to Refuting An Argument. Debunking and Refuting may appear to be similar, but it is only after studying Debunking that we may come to understanding and appreciating Refuting An Argument. ![]() Don't forget the stealth techniques. [link to sites.google.com] [link to twitter.com] Favorite Quote - "I just fucking love outer space, it has all those planets and stars and shit." - Mister Obvious 2009 |
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| Normal Is Subjective User ID: 260026 07/01/2007 08:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually anyone who disagrees with anyone on GLP, is a PAID CIA debunker that works for the jews! Quoting: Normal Is SubjectiveAnd... ![]() Oh and bit of free-lance for this guy... ![]() Also a little er, "contracting" for Mr. Happy... ![]() I thought I'd beat the inevitibility of death to death just a little bit. |
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D. Bunker ™![]() Forum Administrator User ID: 220552 07/01/2007 09:08 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What's the difference between "debunking" and "refuting an argument"? Quoting: Duncan KunzDoes it depend on what side you happen to believe? [link to sites.google.com] [link to twitter.com] Favorite Quote - "I just fucking love outer space, it has all those planets and stars and shit." - Mister Obvious 2009 |
| The Professor (OP) User ID: 6122 07/01/2007 11:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What's the difference between "debunking" and "refuting an argument"? Quoting: Duncan KunzDoes it depend on what side you happen to believe? Both are excellent questions. Some dictionaries are vague as to the differences. As for which side you take... Do you know why you took it? Do you know why you are defending it? And finally, are you prepared to listen to the opposing argument IN THE EVENT that NEW INFORMATION may be presented that may compel you to reconsider your beginning position? [Reconsider, but not necessarily change your conclusion.] At that point you may decide to CONFIRM or to CONFUTE. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 254399 07/02/2007 12:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What's the difference between "debunking" and "refuting an argument"? Quoting: The Professor 6122Does it depend on what side you happen to believe? Both are excellent questions. Some dictionaries are vague as to the differences. As for which side you take... Do you know why you took it? Do you know why you are defending it? And finally, are you prepared to listen to the opposing argument IN THE EVENT that NEW INFORMATION may be presented that may compel you to reconsider your beginning position? [Reconsider, but not necessarily change your conclusion.] At that point you may decide to CONFIRM or to CONFUTE. It seems to me that if I refute an argument or a belief that I consider bunk, i.e. rubbish, I am, by definition, "de-bunking" it. And while I cannot speak for anyone else here, I know why I take/defend a side on any issue: it is because the preponderance of evidence with which I am familiar leads me to believe that one hypothesis does a better job of explaining the phenomenon than any other hypothesis does. And, of course, I filter the evidential data through my own filters, comprising my reading, education, job, age, background, culture, etc. -- in other words, all those parameters which color anyone's search for truth. I mean, what other reason would you have for picking one hypothesis over another? That you want a particular hypothesis to be true all evidence to the contrary? How is that going to convince anyone? I don't see why a person should be called a "refuter" if he is willing to listen to both sides of an argument and a "debunker" if he is not; but I certainly am willing to look at both sides of a question. However, what would you call a person who makes a statement and refuses to listen to my opposing "...argument in the event that new information may be presented..."? Is that person a "passive" debunker? Debunker has a pejorative taint to it; it's like calling a Black a 'nigger' or a Mexican a 'wetback'. In an ideal situation, one researcher lays out a scenario or phenomenon and provides an assertion which he thinks explains that scenario of phenomenon. If someone disagrees with the original researcher, he will give his reasons, using basic scientific criteria, and including things like Occam's Razor. If the second researcher's assertion does a better job of explaining said phenomenon, then it is that person's assertion which should be accepted -- that is, until a third assertion, which may combine aspects of its predecessors or may be a completely new approach, appears and undergoes the same tests as all alternative solutions. So who cares whether you call yourself a 'refuter' or a 'debunker'? |
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| Grey Owl User ID: 218242 07/02/2007 05:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People. People. People. Quoting: The Professor 6122Stay focused. A Web Forum Site is a tricky terrain. We are here today to discuss the various forms that debunking may take. There will always be - how shall I put it - assholes, for lack of a better word, on any forum. And there always will be. But they are not our concern. It is the debunkers whom we are striving to observe. Granted, one man's debunker may seem to be another man's freedom fighter, but we are here to make an observation, not a judgement. Lest we forget, after we are familar with the many forms that debunking takes, we will move on to Refuting An Argument. Debunking and Refuting may appear to be similar, but it is only after studying Debunking that we may come to understanding and appreciating Refuting An Argument. Boy did you ever shake the tree! All the usual suspects, well a good many. Excellent psycology, I tip my hat to you. What a lovely bunch of coconuts !!!!! Good job, keep up the good work man! ![]() |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 103336 07/02/2007 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe what he is saying is that a debunker is just trying to silence an opinion thru any means. But a "refuter" is someone actually trying to persuade using logic or evidence that the originator is incorrect 'and here is why'. I've seen some of OPs examples on this site. |
| Duncan Kunz User ID: 23141 07/02/2007 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe what he is saying is that a debunker is just trying to silence an opinion thru any means. But a "refuter" is someone actually trying to persuade using logic or evidence that the originator is incorrect 'and here is why'. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 103336So if I say that I believe "chem-trails" are a silly hoax and someone comes along and says I'm in the pay of the government or a traitor to the human race, then he's "...just tryng to silence my opinion theu any means." Does that make him a debunker? Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 204901 07/02/2007 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe what he is saying is that a debunker is just trying to silence an opinion thru any means. But a "refuter" is someone actually trying to persuade using logic or evidence that the originator is incorrect 'and here is why'. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 103336I've seen some of OPs examples on this site. DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! Give the man a cigar. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 103336 07/02/2007 04:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe what he is saying is that a debunker is just trying to silence an opinion thru any means. But a "refuter" is someone actually trying to persuade using logic or evidence that the originator is incorrect 'and here is why'. Quoting: Duncan KunzSo if I say that I believe "chem-trails" are a silly hoax and someone comes along and says I'm in the pay of the government or a traitor to the human race, then he's "...just tryng to silence my opinion theu any means." Does that make him a debunker? If you start a thread that says that you believe that chemtrails are a hoax AND you give an explanation of how you came to that conclusion, AND THEN some other guy attacks you directly rather than countering your explanation then wouldn't that be debunking? It makes me think of Monty Pythons Argument Clinic skit. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 247092 07/02/2007 04:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe what he is saying is that a debunker is just trying to silence an opinion thru any means. But a "refuter" is someone actually trying to persuade using logic or evidence that the originator is incorrect 'and here is why'. Quoting: Duncan KunzSo if I say that I believe "chem-trails" are a silly hoax and someone comes along and says I'm in the pay of the government or a traitor to the human race, then he's "...just tryng to silence my opinion theu any means." Does that make him a debunker? No you're the "King of the Debunkers", remember? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 247092 07/02/2007 04:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe what he is saying is that a debunker is just trying to silence an opinion thru any means. But a "refuter" is someone actually trying to persuade using logic or evidence that the originator is incorrect 'and here is why'. Quoting: Duncan KunzSo if I say that I believe "chem-trails" are a silly hoax and someone comes along and says I'm in the pay of the government or a traitor to the human race, then he's "...just tryng to silence my opinion theu any means." Does that make him a debunker? No you're the "King of the debunkers", remember? |
| Random User ID: 260421 07/02/2007 04:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are few words to describe how duplicitous Duncan Kunz is. His sig-line flatters him, since no-one with any sense heeds well a self-styled (ie. "bogus") debunker. People like him, I feel, are the ones hopelessly inured in the Matrix, so dependent on the system they will fight to protect it even as people struggle to break free. |
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