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| Agnes
User ID: 260394
7/2/2007 2:38 PM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
Weed itself sometimes gives me these convulsions and weed was part of what triggered the first bout of convulsions four days ago. I tried it again, just a bit, and it totally affects me differently than if my brain was functioning as usual. It is terrifying. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 252251
7/2/2007 2:43 PM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 118035
7/2/2007 2:47 PM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
Agnes, I'll just add my voice to the ones saying the fault is with you NOT brainwave entrainment!
This reminds me of how stupid people want to sue a restaurant because coffee was hot or burglers sue owners when they trip over loose floor boards - absolute stupidity YOU should take responsibility for. Quit blaming the programs and grow up!
You used it for DAYS!!! You're the dimwit that makes manufactures have to put instructions like "appliance gets hot" on a curling iron so they can't be sued for a customer's idiocy.
You'd have legitimate use of this controlled or banned because of your stupidity!
You're one of the reasons people are legislated to death!and common sense has been thrown out the window. |
| Agnes
User ID: 260394
7/2/2007 2:50 PM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
Look, it didn't really seem to be DOING anything at all to me, and that is why I kept it up. I knew it could take a while for the effects to set in, but everyone kept saying it's over when the recording is over. I KNOW IT WAS STUPID! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 154985
7/2/2007 3:23 PM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
you may well indeed have initiated a kundalini awakening.
personally I have been using brainwave entrainment (mainly theta) everyday for the past five years or so and have never experienced anything as severe as what you are going through. I have activated my kundalini from time to time and this can involve stuff akin to electric shocks running through you, to lots of vibrations and realignment processes of your etheric ,physical,astral,mental and spiritual bodies. Read the info from the link a couple of posts above this. |
| Agnes
User ID: 260394
7/2/2007 3:37 PM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
Actually, my own Kundalini awakening began over two years ago. I should have known better than to mess with that; I'd gained exquisite control over out of body travel and lucid dreams (well, exquisite compared to no control), as well as training my higher senses. But this experience left me almost without conscious control! I had to take a firm stance to regain that control. It took a LOT of discipline. This is indeed like the symptoms of Kundalini, yet like a drug overdose. Nothing feels better than relaxing. That makes me feel normal and gets rid of the shaking. I tried 10hz to resynch my brain to a normal level and it's working wonders, though doesn't feel like it would normally. You may think me a fool but my brain was going totally haywire from all of that stimulation and depletion of it's resources. 10hz is the replenishing, resetting, recharging frequency. It is also anti-convulsant and signifies a state of "normalcy". I think my brain had trouble controlling its frequencies after overdoing it with that program. 10hz is meant to be the stand-by frequency and I supposed it could be a springboard from which my brain could reach other frequencies. Again, it is working wonders. Everytime the chaotic patters re-establish themselves, I use the 10hz (BWgen, btw) for a 10-30 minutes. The convulsions are now gone. Sometimes the 10hz brings them back, sometimes not. I don't get why, really, but at least my mind feels clear again. After I end the session, there is a period of readjustment. After each time I feel better.
That said, I am trashing BWgen after this experience, too. I AM NOT PROMOTING ENTRAINMENT PRODUCTS OR PROGRAMS! I am just saying what I tried in a final bout of desperation. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 210521
7/2/2007 3:45 PM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
You still might want to see a doctor to make sure you're okay and to help you through any more "detox." Just a thought... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 170142
7/2/2007 4:13 PM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
the vo-cal 360 is far ahead of anything on the market today...check it out |
| Agnes
User ID: 260634
7/3/2007 12:09 AM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
OK I'm starting to feel better today.
Appetite is returning, stuff is not smelling gross anymore. Convulsions are easing and easier to control consciously. Hypnogogic hallucinations / subconscious projections still assaulting me but letting up. Waking trance (or what I think is waking trance) not as intense. Zombified feeling going away. Normalcy and mental clarity returning. Vile rushes up my spine and sensation of skin burning subsiding, too. Strobing / flashing vision going down. It comes and goes, but is better. Pupils still dilated like crazy.
Found someone who used to sell entrainment products but now crusades against them after suffering similar symptoms to mine (though to a lesser degree). He told me not to listen to it anymore, that I would probably have flashbacks for a while, and that the symptoms would ease and eventually go away. His name's Jeremy Greene and his warning page is here:
[link to www.geocities.com]
This is no joke. This stuff CAN BE dangerous, and I'm SURE that not everyone whose had adverse affects was as stupid as me or was in poor health. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 245328
7/3/2007 2:08 PM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
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| Leonidas
User ID: 181958
7/3/2007 3:13 PM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
OK I'm starting to feel better today.
Appetite is returning, stuff is not smelling gross anymore. Convulsions are easing and easier to control consciously. Hypnogogic hallucinations / subconscious projections still assaulting me but letting up. Waking trance (or what I think is waking trance) not as intense. Zombified feeling going away. Normalcy and mental clarity returning. Vile rushes up my spine and sensation of skin burning subsiding, too. Strobing / flashing vision going down. It comes and goes, but is better. Pupils still dilated like crazy.
Found someone who used to sell entrainment products but now crusades against them after suffering similar symptoms to mine (though to a lesser degree). He told me not to listen to it anymore, that I would probably have flashbacks for a while, and that the symptoms would ease and eventually go away. His name's Jeremy Greene and his warning page is here:
[ link to www.geocities.com]
This is no joke. This stuff CAN BE dangerous, and I'm SURE that not everyone whose had adverse affects was as stupid as me or was in poor health.
Are you Agnes, one of the mods (or former mods) from Curezone? I haven't been there in awhile but there used to be an Agnes at the top of some of the forum pages.
I hope you continue to get better. |
| Agnes
User ID: 260980
7/3/2007 5:52 PM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
No, I am not one of the mods.
I think this is a form of stimulant psychosis. I thought I was getting better but today started seeing things (dark spots) darting around. When I relax I enter a wakeful dream state, have intense hypnagogic hallucinations that jolt me awake even if my mind is still trying to think about something consciously, every few seconds or minutes. That amounts to a loss of conscious control over my thoughts and is terrifying. In those moments I think I'm doing something, am somewhere else, or even someONE else, and then suddenly awake, realising what happened. Any attempt to carry through a train of thought ends this way. I get a severe, unsettling weightless, floating, expanding sensation particularly around my heart, which easily leads to panic attack and prevents my exhausted body from falling asleep. I can't believe what's happening with my vision. Convulsions and tremors are still continuing. Weakness, exhaustion, and a tendency to get easily overstimulated and raise the heart rate, leading to terrible crash immediately thereafter. I get fearful, irritated and feel disturbed. Also, paranoia about persecution as well as dilated, fluctuating, strange pupils. I don't know how long this will last. I think I'm going to go to the hospital today. Already saw a doctor but that was before I suspected stimulant psychosis. They all thought it was anemia or my thyroid, triggered and done in by the binaural stimulation. But no, this is much worse than that. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 208180
7/3/2007 11:55 PM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
You in trouble big seinor....
Go to the emergency room and tell them you just ate a jar of instant coffee or fell of a ladder and hit your head. Your "I just listened to some funny sounds" story will only get you as far as the wacky wing. |
| ac
User ID: 261121
7/4/2007 12:11 AM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
Drink too much water and you drown, drink too little water and you die of dehydration, eat too little food and you die, eat too much food and you die. Use your effing head. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 208180
7/4/2007 12:22 AM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
Drink too much water and you drown, drink too little water and you die of dehydration, eat too little food and you die, eat too much food and you die. Use your effing head. Quoting: ac 261121
Use your head. Exactly. Hemisync tapes are not food & water.
Probably shouldn't run amature at home brain experiments either. If the Monroe boys weren't PTB they would have been swat teamed into jail long ago. Yeah, use your head bro. |
| So What I Smoke Weed
User ID: 251915
7/4/2007 12:35 AM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
If you started awakening your kundalini a while now why would you be messing with that I-doser nonsense? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 90307
7/4/2007 12:39 AM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
Agnes, perhaps you should contact the Monroe Institute for advice on how to deal with this problem. Your symptoms sound pretty severe and you could use some help from people who have conducted extensive reserearch in brain entrainment. Good luck. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 156661
7/4/2007 12:40 AM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
You have rewired your brain. You have used technologies that can cause serious side effects. Government agencies have used this kind of stuff in torture devices...
Get away from it all for a bit. Spend a week without your computer.
REALIZE THAT EVEN NOW YOU ARE HAVING A PSYCHEDELIC EXPERIENCE. DO NOT PANIC.
Go buy Tim Leary's "The Psychedelic Experience" and read it COVER TO COVER. It will help you understand and process what you've gone through. |
| the Questeon ?
User ID: 255024
7/4/2007 12:47 AM
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Very Interesting thanks for heads up and hope you get better.
I'm still not sure why you kept doing the the stimulants? were you tired or mentally dull? Surely there were more appropriate doses of something else.
Your results also may lead some to think the idoser really does have some effect and if one chooses the right dose ,in moderation , and keeps at it "good" results could be obtained.
Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
From page 405 of Rockefeller's 2002 book Memoirs.
A vote for the lesser of two evils is
still a vote for evil
Ron Paul 2008!
Quayle shows email me: puppystaygo@sogetthis.com |
| mercury2
User ID: 261124
7/4/2007 1:02 AM
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It's good that you posted about this since others might want to get experimental. Is this the same kind of auditory stimulation that they had on the "amazing brain music" site where they talked about "clicking your amygdlia (sp)"
I never tried the music there but I remember them talking about the brain things.
If I were you I would now proceed to stay off all drugs and stimulants and probably stay off the computer too. I would get out in nature instead.
Also I think it would be a very good idea to strongly improve your nutrition. You need B vitamins for sure, a balanced complex, and a lot of it. Lecithin would be good too, it is easy to take the granulated kind if you blend it into a protien shake or into some coconut milk or rice milk. B vitamins and lecithin would help to heal your nerves.
Protien instead of carbohydrates for now, stay away from sugar, get some good vitamins, you need quality fats too. Eat a lot of salads and some nice tuna and some good eggs. Cook the eggs in butter.
I hope you feel better. that sounds like something that would have happened to me years ago. It could happen to anyone, it is good that you are posting about it. Now go lie down. :-) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 52612
7/4/2007 1:08 AM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
Ah that is the key!
Abuse the binaural cd's and listen to them for hours!
Been looking for anohter way of the shroom effect.
Thank you agnes you gave me a valuable tip.
Now if you would have done psychedelics you would have recognized the effects you describe in your post.
Again...thanks OP I am going to listen for the next five hours to my binaural cd. |
| Agnes
User ID: 263277
7/8/2007 12:57 PM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
At hospital, which I went to twice, they knew nothing about the technology, but took it seriously. They just said give it time. The psych ward included. Symptoms ARE subsiding, but I know this will take time. Staying away from computer, doing something else (distracting myself with work, for example), going out in nature - all of this is helping me recover. Others have also had fucked up side effects like this. I KNOW it was stupid. I was really foolish. I didn't see the warning signs. These people even make subliminal CDs. There could've been hypnosis involved. I have a good deal of conscious control, though. I also did the idiotic thing of using BOOTLEGGED copies of the files. Same file wouldn't always play to 100%. Yes, you heard me. There was probably something in it to scramble those who used stolen copies. I know it was a bad idea. I don't deny it was very immature and self destructive. Actually I think I only used it half an hour to 3 hours on average, day after day, and too long just one or two of the days. I will never do drugs again or anything artificially mind altering. I am being as strong as I can be. This is a ROUGH ride. It's a form of temporary psychosis, or worse, and I must take it day by day, moment by moment. No one understand what I'm going through, of course. I even get psychic impressions that come true moments later. Symptoms come back in flashbacks, come and go, but the scariest ones are for the most part gone. Everyone, I hope this NEVER happens to you, either from foolish abuse of the technology or from your sensitivity to it. Both reasons were the culprits for me. |
| LyranStarseed
User ID: 261929
7/8/2007 8:30 PM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
My experiences (2) with Monroe Institute's "Higher" (mini-version) CD
[link to www.google.com]
Monroe Institute has been infiltrated (or originated) by the CIA, and Skip Atwater was one of the principles in the MK-ULTRA projects. There is a butterfly image on their web page, which is common "Monarch" symbology, and can be a trigger.
Wondering how many of you who have been through some form of MK-ULTRA-based (including Montauk) mind control programming regularly see monarch butteflies flying around? I tend to mean that from the perspective of my reality system, a mind control slave or "personality" somewhere (or in myself) has been "freed." Note that I don't think I have too much trouble with mind control anymore, though deprogramming has been much of a hassle to me.
Anyway, on to my story:
I went to Washington, DC to visit a friend of mine who had a strange girlfriend who was very pretty and had stories about how like she'd do the shared commuting thing and was always being picked up by Bush cronies and Secret Service types and what-not. There was a lot of Masonic symbology and plaques and what-not in their house (hint, hint), and my friend took me to the Masonic Temple there "just to check it out" (we angered the reptiles). She also wanted me to participate in some "ritual" where she called in various beings including, I believe, "Archangel Bilial," to which I countered "and Archangel Gabriel" with a stern look from her. That ceremony wasn't too much fun, and I got out of it early.
Anyway, they had me listen to the "Higher" CD -- a 20 minute or so version -- by Monroe Institute on a portable CD player (seemed like a regular kind) with headphones. I did this a few times before going to sleep. The first night, I had the immediate experience of falling asleep while listening and leaving my body through my 3rd eye. I know some people say "always leave through the crown," or "always leave through the heart" (probably best), but I left through the 3rd eye, a la "Keys of Enoch."
Anyway, I'm inside this realistic but somewhat graphically primitive military flight simulator, and they're testing to see how well I'm doing, and while I've never flown a plane of any sort before in 3D "real life" (cough, cough), I'm doing quite well without any instruction, so I start asking questions:
Me: "Who wrote this software?"
Agent: (Says my adopted name)
Me: (Shaken) "The graphics could be better. Could use the latest OpenGL."
I immediately came back into my body, woke up, started packing my things, and noticed that the girlfriend was downstairs at the computer, but her brother (the Mason) had for some reason turned off the Internet connection (probably since I was visiting ET-related web sites with my portable, against their pleas that I not do so -- brother involved with Internet security). She was frantically typing on her computer -- "Please wait, don't go, I have to write to my boss!" (Remember, she gets picked up by the secret service every morning). She gives me this evil look, and I sense demonic-like occult energy coming from her. The hold she had on my friend was pretty strong as well (he has since moved on).
Anyway, I left on foot, found my way back to the Amtrak station across from those filthy Masonic buildings they dub "our capital," and bought a ticket to San Francisco (to head back to Mount Shasta) immediately. On the train, I listened to the CD again.
This time, I was in some sort of ET craft. My consciousness was intimately entangled with the workings of this craft, and I inherently knew how to fly it. I was doing dive rolls and what-not and it was in a much higher dimensionality/reality system than I've experienced previously. They tried to insinuate that it was a roller coaster (Z-Force, or "Flashback" at SF Magic Mountain), but I knew what it was -- an ET craft.
I'd been told previously by Al Bielek that I've been used by certain Air Force groups before; perhaps the much alluded to (Google) "US Space Command," I'm not sure. Regardless, I found these experiences interesting.
Do the Monroe Institute CD's have encodings in them that take certain subjects to certain realms or dimensions upon listening to them? Most likely. Do they use them as test subjects for military applications? Quite possibly. Was I used in Montauk in other dimensions or timelines to create certain simulation programs? Most definitely. Do I have those math skills down here in 3D? Nope, there are blocks to those skills, but I do have the programming skills (just not much in the realm of 3D or mind-machine interfacing).
I have since reprogrammed my mind, and as I work in genetics, have pulled in my most advanced genetics from the future Super-Angelic Human Project; I have been yelled at by the Sirian Annunaki and Draconian "overlord pansies" who think they run this and other planets ini this system, and been told "This is not what we agreed to."
Since I only count the agreements that seem in alignment with my morality (i.e., everyone's sovereign, no mind control slavery, I have to know what I'm working on, etc.), and with what I expect I could have agreed to prior to incarnation and what I know I've agreed to/signed in 3D while here on the planet in sober states, I don't think I have to worry about such agreements.
I have been used in a number of interesting ways, however.
So, should one stay away from the Monroe Institute CD's? I don't know. Never received a reply from Skip Atwater about his MK-ULTRA involvement; in fact, I seem to scare the shit out of most people I talk to about these topics, especially Montauk.
What do you get when you mind control over a million Indigos, jerk them off, program them, pump them full of horrific experiments, segment their minds, send them forward and backward into time, use them for wars, connect them to defense technology and then they meet myself, who was used as "codemaster" hub guy to kind of manage a lot of them?
You get an impressive, unbeatable strike force working for the LIGHT that is kicking ass right now.
Adonai,
Shantar |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 256827
7/9/2007 3:58 AM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
Skip Atwater was part of the Stargate remote viewing program. The program had nothing to do with MK ULTRA which was a gathering place for legions of creepos. Read Skip's book "Captain of My Ship..." Previous post is bullshit from someone who knows less than nothing. |
| kits
User ID: 261878
7/9/2007 4:46 AM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
I've studied psychology to an extent, including some courses in college, and it's well-known fact that the brain operates on a few different frequency ranges which signify its state of alert. Deep sleep, transition from awake to sleep, awake, high concentration. It is also know that to project one of these frequency ranges upon yourself will cause effects, depending on a set of circumstances which will determine just what those effects are. Some psychiatrists and religious peoples will play 'music' which will cause a person to enter one of the states possible as part of treatment or control, so that you will become more likely to conform to suggestion.
The thing is: Is you cause a person to experience one of these or certain other frequencies for a longer period of time, it can have damaging effects, especially if the individual doing the experiencing is particularly sensitive to frequencies. For example, I experience the effect of frequencies more so than most. When I was younger I suspected that I simply could hear better than others, which is why I could detect if, for example, certain electronics were turned and locate them through hearing the sound made, where others could not. It wasn't until I moved into an apartment which seemed like itself was constantly 'turned on' and seemed like some sort of electronic itself, and it turned out that the wiring of the house had lost its shielding, causing an anomalous radiation of frequency which could, to some, be damaging and could even cause similar symptoms as the original poster is experiencing, should a person who is sensitive to frequencies find themselves within that apartment for a long enough period of time.
Anywho, a persons brain emits, detects, and interprets frequencies. That's what it does. If you bombard it with frequencies of a fairly high power, it will notice and it will attempt to interpret just as though it believes some part of your nervous system or otherwise is producing that frequency. Of course, that interference can thusly cause ill effects. I will suggest, and rather strongly at that, that you don't listen to something which is producing a frequency which is designed with the intent of interfering with your own natural frequencies. It is, to say the very least, dangerous, as for one not everyones body and brain transmit and interpret the same frequencies to mean the same thing exactly which means one persons brain might interpret said frequency to be 'good' and another might interpret it in such a way to cause bad effects.
Think of it like this: If you listen to a low hum for an extended period of time, might you find this tiring? Many will say yes. Talk to someone who has done parapsychology research and has created EVP recording and analyzed them. The background/white noise effects are 'droning.' It's just a sound, just a frequency, but it has noticeable effects on a persons mind. And yet, that wasn't even designed to effect a persons brain as that I-Doser is.
To sum it up: If you interfere with your brains transmission and reception process, then you're putting yourself at risk.
AIM:kits56fa2 |
| adamic seed nli
User ID: 263677
7/9/2007 10:06 AM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 252251
Thank you for the link. I appreciate the author's approach of using aesthetics combined with medicine to 'awakening'.
Her well researched association of schizophrenia with mystic experience along a continuum redeems rather than stigmatizes peak mental states, as is currently the mass practice of psychology.
As for this thread, I wonder if I should read the posts as metaphors.
I have read before on GLP the same personal account of MKultra and the Monarchs Butterflies. I found a dead monarch this evening on my doorstep!
yikes! |
| yo
User ID: 265620
7/13/2007 4:28 AM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
Sorry if my English is not good.Well, I tried binaural beats several years ago for two or three years (Monroe tapes and others). I was studing and I had to give it up because my memory was upset. My work was upset too because I could not concentrate in my tasks. Luckily after several months I came back to normality.
Well, binaural beats are not spiritual nor healing nor mind improving but if you want disturb and harm your brain ok you know what to do.
There is not much research about effects of brain stimulation with binaural beats ( many people is being deceived by "experts")and there are too much people selling what they don't know promising miracles (even Monroe Institute). Be careful¡ |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 265530
7/13/2007 4:29 AM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
NLP |
| Agnes
User ID: 269633
7/20/2007 10:08 AM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
Almost back to 100%. Still some very odd and unsettling symptoms / side effects linger or rise up as momentary flashbacks, but each day is better. Found out women and young people in general are especially susceptible to adverse effects of brainewave entrainment - but it could happen to others as well. Definitely (again) I abused the technology. Am fine now, everything is on track. Almost can't believe that my brain is functioning normally again. It was really messed up. But as some of us already know, we are more resilient AND more fragile than we think. I mean, I ignored all the warning signs that I shouldn't be doing what I did to mess myself up and convinced myself that no harm would come to me. I did it because I made myself believe it was perfectly safe, and that was a mistake, but I didn't do it consciously acknowledging that it was destructive, of course. A word to the wise - don't do what I did :P
Just putting this tread to rest with this update, so everyone knows how the story ended. I'm dropping the subject now. |
| Agnes
User ID: 269633
7/20/2007 10:14 AM | | Re: Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment | Quote |
Oh yeah, one more thing - as suggested, I did contact the Monroe Institute and they knew NOTHING. They said "We are only distrubutors of the products, contact your physician". And the physicians said, "Certainly nothing about this technology was in any literature pertinent to US". Well, I wanted to tell the doctors that in the real world they will encounter problems not covered in their literature and that by taking interest in my case they will be better prepared to help anyone who might suffer a simliar problem in the future. I didn't bother, just left instead. So glad others on here recognise how ridiculous and seriously dangerous this technology can be. AND someone told me that "the military uses (this technology) to frighten and dishearten their enemies". My previous knowledge about mind control plus the fact that the people who made the program that I used remain ANONYMOUS were bells and whistles that I ignored. Well, I learned my lesson, and I hope my experience helps prevent others from making the same mistake. Be well and thanks for all your responses. |
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