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[link to www.qumsiyeh.org]
Lies and Truths
(this material is also linked with other information at [link to www.anis-online.de]
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." - Aldous Huxley
Compiling Zionist lies and distortions is by necessity a work in progress. It obviously can be rather lengthy since the lies and mendacity of those who either participated in or still participate in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine goes back for 100 years. I listed below common lies and a link to debunk them as a beginning (to prompt more). Please send me your contributions/additions whether in other lies not mentioned here or in further quotes and data on the listed lies. Email contributions to qumsi001@hotmail.com. Suggested use for the data as it accumulates is a handy place for finding info for sending to chat rooms, listserves, editors, politicians and others who could benefit from knowing the factual response to the myths. For an example, to the extent of lies used by Zionists see this video and then read the articles and data below that debunks these lies.
The Israeli newspaper Haaretz (7/15/01) reported that: "... giving his audience (Likud leaders) a bit of advice on how to deal with foreign interviewers (Bejamin Netanyahu said): 'Always, irrespective of whether you're right or not, you must always present your side as right.' "( [link to www.haaretzdaily.com] We are all familiar with the incredible PR repeated ad nauseum about Israel. From "security" to "terrorism" to "wanting peace", we are inundated in corporate media with these images that are divorced from reality. I plan to start collecting glimpses of these proven lies with glimpses of reality. Send me more to build this webpage; email your contribution to qumsi001@hotmail.com. As Nathan Chofshi wrote in the Jewish Newsletter: "We came and turned the native Arabs into tragic refugees. And still we have to slander and malign them, to besmirch their name. Instead of being deeply ashamed of what we did and trying to undo some of the evil we committed...we justify our terrible acts and even attempt to glorify them."(New York, 9 February 1959, cited in Erskine Childers, 'The Other Exodus' in Spectator, London, 12 May 1961)
# Palestine was a land without a people for a people without a land
- [link to www.palestineremembered.com]
- Zionism at 100: The Myth of Palestine as "A Land Without People" By Allan C. Brownfeld [link to www.wrmea.com]
- Palestine photos of the 1930s [link to www.snunit.k12.il]
# Israel made the desert bloom/Palestine was destitute
- [link to www.palestineremembered.com]
- [link to www.mediamonitors.net]
# Innocent Jews wanting to "return home" were rejected from the start by local Arabs for no good reason
- Ahad Ha-Am (Asher Ginsberg) wrote the following in 1891: "In all things it is our custom to learn nothing from the past for the future. There is certainly one thing we could have learned from our past and present history: how careful we must be not to arouse the anger of other people against ourselves by reprehensible conduct. How much more, then, should we be careful, in our conduct toward a foreign people among whom we live once again, to walk together in love and respect, and needless to say in justice and righteousness. And what do our brethren in Eretz Israel do? Quite the opposite! They were slaves in their land of exile, and they suddenly find themselves with unlimited freedom, the kind of wild freedom to be found only in a country like Turkey. This sudden change has engendered in them an impulse to despotism, as always happens when 'a slave becomes a king,' (Proverbs 30:22) and behold they walk with the Arabs in hostility and cruelty, unjustly encroaching on them, shamefully beating them for no good reason, and even bragging about what they do, and there is no one to stand in the breach and call a halt to this dangerous and despicable impulse. To be sure our people are correct in saying that the Arab respects only those who demonstrate strength and courage, but this is relevant only when he feels that his rival is acting justly; it is not the case if there is reason to think his rival's actions are oppressive and unjust. Then, even if he restrains himself and remains silent forever, the rage will remain in his heart and he is unrivaled in 'taking vengeance and bearing a grudge.' (Leviticus 19:18)" "Emet Me-Eretz Yisrael" (Truth from the Land of Israel), 29 May 1891, 21 Iyyar 5651 Translated by Alan Dowty.
# Ben Gurion (who became Israel's first Prime Minister) and Zionist leadership before 1948 war had no intention to drive the native Palestinians out.
As early as 1917 (when Palestine was 96% Christian/Muslim and 3% Jewish), Ben Gurion stated "Within then the next twenty years, we must have a Jewish majority in Palestine." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 43). In 1936 he stated that the future Israel must "become a force, and the Arabs respect force..these days it is not right but might which prevails. It is more important to have force than justice on one's side" (Shabtai Teveth, p. 191). In 1937 "The compulsory transfer of the Palestinian Arabs from the valleys of the proposed Jewish state could give us something which we never had...MORE than a state, government and sovereignty-this is national consolidation in a free homeland." (Righteous Victims, p. 142). in 1938, he wrote "With compulsory transfer we would have vast areas .... I support compulsory population transfer. I do not see anything immoral in it. But compulsory transfer could only be carried out by England .... Had its implementation been dependent merely on our proposal I would have proposed; but this would be dangerous to propose when the British government has disassociated itself from compulsory transfer. .... But this question should not be removed from the agenda because it is central question. There are two issues here : 1) sovereignty and 2) the removal of a certain number of Arabs, and we must insist on both of them." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, 117). In Feb 1948 "The war will GIVE us the land. The concept of 'ours' and 'not ours' are ONLY CONCEPTS for peacetime, and during war they lose all their meaning." (Benny Morris, p. 170 & Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 180). And in early May 1948, Ben-Gurion approved establishing the "Transfer Committee" to oversee "the cleaning up nikui in Hebrew of the Palestinian Arab settlements, cultivation of Arab fields and their settlement by Jews, and the creation of labor battalion to carry out this work." (Benny Morris, p. 137). Yitzhak Rabin wrote in his diary soon after Lydda's and Ramla's occupation on 10th-11th of July 1948: "After attacking Lydda later called Lod and then Ramla, .... What would they do with the 50,000 civilians living in the two cities ... What is to be done with the population?, waving his hand in a gesture which said: Drive them out!. 'Driving out' is a term with a harsh ring, .... Psychologically, this was on of the most difficult actions we undertook". (Soldier Of Peace, p. 140-141 & Benny Morris, p. 207) .David Ben Gurion also recognized that "The (upcoming) war will give us the land. The concept of 'ours' and 'not ours' are only concepts for peacetime, and during war they lose all their meaning". In his diaries he said regarding Palestinian refugees “We must do everything to ensure they never do return” and to the Sunday Times “The old will die and the young will forget”. Under Ben Gurion's direction, Transfer Committee was officially set up to effect ethnic cleansing. I don't understand your optimism. "Why should the Arabs make Peace? If I was an Arab leader, I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural; we have taken their country." Ben Gurion in 1956 Quoted by Nahum Goldman, former President of World Zionist Congress, in "The Jewish Paradox" Weidenfeld and Nicholson, 1978, p99.
# Palestinians want/ed to drive Jews and Israel into the sea
[link to www.palestineremembered.com]
# Tiny Israel fended off large Arab armies in 1948
- [link to www.palestineremembered.com]
# Land was purchased, Palestinians were not ethnically cleansed
- See the chapter on refugees in my book [link to www.qumsiyeh.org] which analysis all aspects of this including myths about origins of the refugee catastrophe
- Simha Flapan, the Birth of Israel: Myths and Realities. New York: 1987, p. 223, citing Record of the Knesset, vol. 1, 1949, session 43
- Michael Palumbo, The Palestinian Catastrophe: The 1948 Expulsion of a People from their Homeland. London/Boston: 1987, p. 145.
- See also "How refugee land ended up as Jewish National Fund lands" (and it is not "abandoned" it was confiscated illegally and refugees are being prevented from returning to their lands by an illegal and racist apartheid system).
- With all due respect for the 'blue box' by Meron Benvenisty in Haaretz [link to www.haaretz.com]
Hebrew: [link to www.haaretz.co.il]
- Updated fact sheets on the continuing silent transfer of Palestinians (PDF files)
- [link to www.epalestine.com]
- [link to www.epalestine.com]
- Continuing ethnic cleansing of Palestine (Video) [link to www.youtube.com]
- Case study: a palestinian village under threat of ethnic cleansing [link to www.poica.org]
- Plans for demolition of 42,000 homes of Israel's Palestinians Bedouins [link to www.albawaba.com]
- THE MYTH that the Arab refugees fled because the Arab radios urged them to do so was analyzed by Erskine B. Childers in the London Spectator May 12, 1961. An examination of British and US radio monitoring records turned up no such appeals; on the contrary there were appeals and "even orders to the civilians of Palestine, to stay put...
# There was an Exchange of population, Jews came from Arab Countries to Israel in exchange Arabs left Israel
(see for example an articulation of this by an AIPAC introduced bill in Congress that demands that ""any explicit reference to the required resolution of the Palestinian refugee issue is matched by a similar explicit reference to the resolution of the issue of Jewish refugees from Arab countries." ( [link to www.standwithus.com]
- See above
# Israel respects holy sites of other religions
- [link to www.palestineremembered.com]
# Jerusalem "reunification" let people be treated equal regardless of religion/variant: Israel is not judaicizing Jerusalem/Freedom of religion
Former Military Jerusalem Governor confirms: Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinians Began Right After the Occupation
Arnon Regular, Kol Ha'ir Weekly Magazine, July 26, 2001, Western Jerusalem
# The US is an "honest broker"
see Book by Naseer Aruri: Dishonest Broker for history of us involvement and the US vetoed countless UN security council resolutions
"Israel's dependence on the United States is far Greater than suggested by the sum of $3 billion. Israel's physical existence depends on the Americans in both military and political terms. Without the US, we would not be equipped with the latest fighter planes and all other advanced weapons. Without the American veto, we would long have been expelled from every international organization not to speak of the UN, which would have imposed sanctions on us that would have paralysed Israel's International trade, since we cannot exist without importing raw materials. For the same reason, it is wrong to divide the American money up into military aid of $1.8 billion and civilian aid of $1.2 billion. What we are getting is really unmarked dollar bills.." Nehemia Stressler, Haaretz, May 12, 1989
# Islam is intent on taking over the world
A good summary of this Zionist lie is in the book "Islamic Imperialism" by Efraim Karsh (2007, Yale University Press, New Haven and London) of which thousands were printed and distributed free to clergy and opinion makers around the US (the Zionist group cryptically named "Institute on Religion and Democracy", Washington, D.C. is distributing it free). Muslims have been victimized by colonial powers for hundreds of years and have no coherent political or military power. Most of the countries with Muslim majority are ruled by puppets of the US. US forces are in over 140 countries (at least two dozen Muslim majority). A lot of the fundamentalist group that are now used as evidence of this pan-ISlamic desire to take on the world were created or supported by the West. Here are just a few examples of groups that were reliant on Western support
Taliban and Jihadis in Afghanistan
Extremist Sunni groups in Lebanon
see [link to electronicintifada.net]
and [link to rawstory.com]
# "Israel's centraity in Jewish life" manifest by the creed developed and advocated by Zionists "Am Yisrael Chai" meaning the People of Israel (=the Jews) live.
- For this deep psychological pathos that puts Jews above any other humans, see the following discussions by thoughtful people who come from Jewish backgrounds
Marc Ellis, Out of the Ashes
- also see [link to www.serendipity.li]
- and Response to Rosenfeld
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
| Anonymous Coward
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| Arch~Angel
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# Israel had a positive influence on world affairs
Bishara Bahbah and Linda Butler, Israel and latin America:The military Connection, ST Martin's Press, NY, 1986
Milton Jamail, Margo Gutierrez, It's no secret: Israel's military involvement in central America,
Association of Arab-American University Graduates, 1986
Zionist Terrorists Arrested Inside Mexican Congress
Israel hand seen in Ivorian clash (and other strives around the world)
"BERN, Switzerland - The Swiss government said today it had caught Israel's spy agency trying to bug telephones on the outskirts of the Swiss capital. It was the second highly publicized Mossad bungle to embarrass the Israeli government in recent months. The espionage effort was aimed at foreigners living in Switzerland, federal prosecutor Carla del Ponte said, without elaborating. Del Ponte denied Israeli media reports that Iranian diplomats were the target of the alleged spying. She said the targets were not diplomats. Switzerland has demanded an apology from Israel, the Foreign Minstry said. It said it had had no immediate response from Israel. ....At a news conference in Bern, del Ponte said five Israeli agents were detained as they tried to plant the bugs a week ago. All but one were released and are believed to have left the country. In Jerusalem today, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu confirmed that an Israeli citizen had been arrested in Switzerland, but declined to comment further. " Another mess for Mossad: Israeli spy agency accused of bugging Swiss phones. The Associated Press 26 February 1998. by Irene Harnischberg
"A senior Israeli intelligence officer says that the hit team arrested in Switzerland were on the trail of two businessmen with Hezbollah sympathies. As contacts continued between Israel and Switzerland yesterday to free a Mossad agent detained in Berne last month, a senior Mossad officer said the true purpose of the bungled operation had been assassination and not bugging as claimed. " March 3 1998. Times of London
# The 1967 war was a defensive war by Israel against enemies who wanted to destroy it
[link to www.salon.com]
Moshe Dayan described kibbutz residents who pressed Israel to take Syria's Golan Heights back in a 1997 New York Times interview: "They didn't even try to hide their greed for the land ... We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was ... The Syrians, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us."
From POLITICIDE, Ariel Sharon's War Against the Palestinians, by Baruch Kimmerling, Verso, 2003, pages 57-59):
" In May 1967, Gamal Abd al-Nasser made his biggest political miscalculation. After a long and bloody intervention in the Yemeni civil war, he had lost prestige in the Arab world. In order to regain that prestige and affirm Egyptian sovereignty, he made two spectacular moves: he ordered Egyptian military forces to cross the Suez Canal and, at the same time, demanded the withdrawal of UN forces deployed along the 1957 ceasefire lines. After the Yemeni debacle, the Egyptian army was certainly not ready for a war with Israel, but the Israeli General Staff had planned for many years to destroy the Egyptian military, which had been re-equipped and restructured by the Soviet Union after the 1956 War. Nasser's move was exploited by the Israeli Government, which depicted it as a causus belli and a real threat to Israel's security. The Israeli armed forces mobilized their full reserve system. While the two armies were positioned face-to-face, the Israeli Government, headed by Levy Eshkol, hesitated, doubting both the reality of the Egyptian threat and the necessity of resolving it militarily rather than diplomatically. Another consideration was the severe economic hardship and social strain that would result from the prolonged mobilization of almost the entire male labor force. While the government weighed its options, military officers (including Sharon) seized the opportunity to convince the pub lic that Israel faced a genuine threat to its existence. Demonstrations called on Eshkol to quit. The increasing public pressure in addition to the hidden pressure from many on the general staff led to the establishment of a new war-oriented Cabinet that included the hawkish Moshe Dayan as Minister of Defense and, for the first time, members of the ultra-nationalist party Herut, headed by Menachem Begin. The war was so well planned and prepared that at dawn, on June 5, the Israeli military intelligence and air force knew the precise location of every Egyptian, Syrian, and Jordanian aircraft and destroyed most of them on the ground in several hours. Sharon, in his
autobiography, briefly mentioned that "on the morning of June 5, Israel's air force was to launch a pre-preemptive attack on Egypt's airfields." When Israeli infantry and tank brigades attacked Egyptian military concentrations, fortifications, and bases, they already had almost absolute air superiority. One of the most significant myths rooted in the collective memory of both the Israeli and Western public is that during the 1967 War (or as the Israelis arrogantly called it, "the Six Day War"), Egypt and Syria attacked Israel, a belief that is used to justify the legitimacy of the occupation to this day.
Both Yitzhak Rabin and Ezer Weizman clearly allude in their autobiographies to the fact that, prior to the attack of June 1967, the Israeli general staff organized a putsch, and barred any and all political solutions to the crisis. Rabin, Chief of Staff, admitted that: "Nasser didn't want war. The two divisions he sent to Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war He knew it and we knew it." (Le Monde, February 28, 1968).
Levy Eshkol himself admitted that "the Egyptian layout in Sinai and the general build up there testified to a militarily defensive Egyptian set-up, south of Israel" (Yediot Ahronot, October 16, 1967).
On August 8, 1982, Prime Minister Menachem Begin, defending the invasion of Lebanon, said: "In June 1967 we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him."(New York Times, August 21, 1982)."
see also [link to news.independent.co.uk]
# The Interational Solidarity Movement support violence
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
# The Road map is an international effort for peace in the Middle East and Palestinians reject it
The road map is 2218 words and lacks four key words: International Law and Human Rights. It was drafted in the State Department supposedly based on the speech Bush gave in 2002 ( [link to www.whitehouse.gov] ). Bush's speech writers at the time were both Zionists: Michael Gerson ( [link to www.commondreams.org] ) and David Frum ( [link to en.wikipedia.org] The State Department
The writings of Karen Kwiatkowski who retired from the Pentagon clearly document the stranglehold of Zionist "group think" on US policy.
It is claimed by official US sources that the State Department wrote the Road Map. If that is the case, this would fall under the purview of then unders secretary for Political Affairs (from 2001 to 2005) Marc Grossman [link to en.wikipedia.org]
Other Zionists who were likely involved or at least had to give their blessings include Elliott Abrams (National Security Council Advisor) and Richard Haass (Director of Policy Planning at the State Department). Despite this bias, Arafat and the PNC accepted the road map. Sharon said he would accept it with 14 reservations that basically make it meaningless.
# Palestinians send their kids to be killed for propaganda purposes
[link to www.palestineremembered.com]
# Arabs only understand the language of force
[link to www.palestineremembered.com]
# Zionists teach peace and democracy, Palestinian Society teaches hate
- Nathan Brown of George Washington University investigated Palestinian textbooks, his full report is posted at [link to www.geocities.com] htm
- see also related Report by Dr. Fouad Moughrabi
- See Education and hate Assay on who teaches what to whom, July 2004. Also published in French as Education et haine
-A study by The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs concluded Israeli textbooks and children's literature promote racism and hatred toward Palestinians and Arabs. (See www.washington-report.org/backissues/0999/9909019.html.)
Jewish Settlers' on the record: racism and bigotry funded by US taxpayers
- Former Chief Rabbi advocates genocide (this is not an average Israeli Rabbi, this person carries lots of weight and teh position was created based on Israeli state laws)
[link to electronicintifada.net]
[link to www.jpost.com]
Israel is as a Theocratic state whee there is no separation between state and religion, see [link to www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org]
- Yesha Rabbinical Council: "During time of war, enemy has no innocents Ma'ariv 30 July 2006 "The Yesha Rabbinical Council announced in response to an IDF attack in Kfar Qanna that "according to Jewish law, during a time of battle and war, there is no such term as 'innocents' of the enemy." All of the discussions on Christian morality are weakening the spirit of the army and the nation and are costing us in the blood of our soldiers and civilians," the statement said. (Efrat Weiss) " [link to www.ynetnews.com] (Yesha is the name given to the council that oversees the 450,000 settlers in the West Bank)
- See also "Israel's house of horrors" By Ali Abunimah [link to electronicintifada.net]
"There is an entire section of the Jewish population which I define, without hesitation, as a copy of the German Nazis. Look at the children of the Jewish settlers in Hebron: they resemble Hitlers youth exactly" Moshe Zimmerman, at the time Chair of Department of Germanic Studies at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, interview Yerushalayim, 4/28/1995 From the "Founding Myths of Modern Israel by Roger Garaudy
Harvard Lawyer Alan Dershowitz' calls for War crimes
Martin Sherman calls for ending Palestinian rights by giving them money and relocating them all
-"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."Benjamin Netanyahu told students at Bar-Ilan University in 1989
- "In the old city of Jerusalem they (Palestinians) are swarming like ants. They should go to hell -- and the Messiah will speed them on their way," Rabbi Ovadia
Yossef, leader of the influential Shas party in a weekly sermon broadcast on army radio (Reuters, July 27, 2001).
-Another investigation by Le Monde Diplomatique concluded the textbooks' real error was to refute Israel's version of Palestinian history. (Log onto [link to mondediplo.com] /2001/07/11textbook.)
-While many Israelis and supporters terrorize Palestinians, they demonize all Palestinians as terrorists. While they teach intolerance and hate, they claim Palestinians teach their kids hate. Human Rights Watch documented the discrimination against Palestinian-Arab children in Israel's schools. (Log onto www.hrw.org/reports/2001/israel2/).
-An article by Dr. Peled-Elhanan of the Hebrew University put it this way: "Palestinians, both the lawful citizens of the state and the ones living under occupation, are presented stereotypically, in racist vocabulary and racist visuals, as a demographic threat . . . their discrimination is represented as a national necessity. . . occupied
territories are depicted as part of the state of Israel but their Palestinian inhabitants, cities and cultural sites are missing from maps, photographs and graphs. The books promote the ideal of an Arab-free land as a condition for the existence of the Jewish state."
# Palestinians don't use nonviolent resistance but instead blow themselves up with innocent civilians
See the detailed report on Palestinian nonviolent resistance
Statement to Israeli public on non-violence
# Israel takes great care not to harm civilians and never targets them/Israeli army most ethical army
- See Targeting Civilians
- "As a young soldier serving in the Israeli army, I was ordered to commit grave human rights violations in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. My platoon meted out collective punishment on Palestinian communities, shot and killed unarmed Palestinian civilians, and enforced prolonged curfews on Palestinian villages. I witnessed the arbitrary destruction of Palestinian houses, property and agricultural land. These acts were not rare occurrences, nor were they the result of overly cruel soldiers. It was part of the norm; a habit that an Occupation soldier gets used to doing. These daily occurrences constituted, as I later understood, war crimes." [link to alawda.rso.wisc.edu]
- "I participated in the fighting on Temple Mount. I was and also shot at the demonstrations in Umm Al Fahm. But the worst event was the riots in Tiberias. Hundreds of violent Jews closed a main road and also threw firebombs at us. They almost set our car on fire, but luckily we put the fire out on time. There was stone throwing, firecrackers, and glass bottles were thrown and broke between our feet. They crossed all the red lines, my people attacked me with enormous force, and it hurts. The violence there was just like in Umm Al Fahm. According to the open-fire regulations, when firebombs are thrown, there is authorization to shoot. But we handle Jewish riots differently. To a demo like this we know in advance that we come without weapons. These are the orders from above, and we used only gas".Tal Etlinger, a border police soldier, Yediot Aharonot, 17/11/2000 (translated by Irit Katriel, iritka@internet-zahav.net.il )
- "The Israeli soldiers who volunteers to serve in the occupied territories are considered heroes, while in truth their volunteering can be compared to that of German volunteers who served in the SS" Moshe Zimmerman, at the time Chair of Department of Germanic Studies at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, interview Yerushalayim, 4/28/1995. From the "Founding Myths of Modern Israel by Roger Garaudy
- We killed (Palestinian) police for revenge, Israeli soldiers confessBy Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem, The Independent
Maariv in Hebrew published admissions of Israeli soldiers to committing war crimes
Palestinians Continue to be used as human shields (Video): [link to www.youtube.com]
Amnesty Internaional 2006 report on Israeli violations of Human Rights
- Artile by Jonathan Cook on Targeting Civilians [link to mostlywater.org]
- Israeli army forces women to strip at checkpoints [link to www.imemc.org]
# Israel attacks infrastructure only if it is linked to terrorists
- [link to lataan.blogspot.com]
- [link to web.amnesty.org]
- Wanton Destruction of Infrasstructure and homes
# The Deir Yassin Massacre (one of hundreds committed duing the ethnic cleansing of 1947-1949) was committed by rogue elements and not mainstream Zionists
- [link to www.deiryassin.org]
# The massacre of Sabra and Shatila in 1982 in Lebanon was not the responsibility of the Israelis
- [link to www.indictsharon.net]
- [link to www.countercurrents.org]
- [link to qumsiyeh.org]
# The lies and distortions about the Lavon affair
- [link to www.mideastweb.org]
- Israel's second Prime Minister Sharret had interesting admissions in his diary including about the Lavon affair, in which Israeli provocateurs exploded bombs in U.S. cultural centers and diplomatic establishments in Cairo and Alexandria in 1954 after being told "to break the West's confidence in the existing (Nasser) regime... The actions should cause arrests, demonstrations and expressions of revenge. The Israeli origins should be totally covered." The idea was to provoke mayhem, increase Jewish immigration and with other acts eventually provoke a war to acquire more territory (which happened in 1967).
As retired US foreign service officer Richard Curtis wrote in the WRMEA (March 18, 1985): "When the provocateurs (young Egyptian-born Jews trained in Israel
and returned to their homeland) were caught and tried, Sharett publicly denied Israeli complicity and accused the Egyptians of 'vicious hostility to... the Jewish people.' " But in his diaries Sharett not only admitted the affair but lamented Israel's "unleashing of the basest instincts of hate and revenge..." In another part of the diary we see this interesting tidbit: "Ben Gurion reported to the cabinet ... how our four youngsters (Israeli paratrooper reservists) captured the Beduin boys one by one, how they took them to the wadi, how they knifed them to death one after the other... When I arrived in Tel Aviv an officer... came to tell me that the whole revenge operation was organized with the active help of Arik Sharon, the commander of the paratroopers battalion."
# Israel was trying to save Arab Jews
- [link to www.palestineremembered.com]
See also the Lavon Affair
# Palestinians and other Arabs largely rejoiced after 9/11 attacks
See Arabs and Palestinians on September 11
# Barak Made a generous offer at Camp David, Arafat rejected it and went back and started a bloody intifada
- See Robert Malley's Fictions About the Failure at Camp David
- Uri Avnery on 12 conventional lies [link to www.palestineremembered.com]
- [link to www.gush-shalom.org]
- [link to electronicintifada.net] (myth 5)
- [link to www.cactus48.com]
- [link to al-awda.org]
- [link to www.iap.org]
- [link to www.mideastfacts.com]
- [link to www.gush-shalom.org]
- [link to www.palestineremembered.com]
- [link to electronicintifada.net]
- [link to canpalnet-ottawa.org]
- Aaron David Miller, a senior negotiator on the Clinton team at Camp David and an Orthodox Jew revealed that rather than serve as a true mediator in peace negotiations, successive U.S. administrations including Clinton's have acted as "Israel's attorney." Kathleen Christison, "Anatomy of A Frame-Up: Camp David Redux, Counterpunch, August 15, 2005. On line at:
[link to www.counterpunch.org]
and finally Press release showing that the sides were really close to hammering out an agreement at Taba
"The pre-eminent obstacle to peace is Israel's colonization of Palestine. There were just a few hundred settlers in the West Bank and Gaza when I became president, but the Likud government expanded settlement activity after I left office. President Ronald Reagan condemned this policy, and reaffirmed that Resolution 242 remained "the foundation stone of America's Middle East peace effort." President George H.W. Bush even threatened to reduce American aid to Israel. Although President Bill Clinton made strong efforts to promote peace, a massive increase of settlers occurred during his administration, to 225,000, mostly while Ehud Barak was prime minister. Their best official offer to the Palestinians was to withdraw 20 percent of them, leaving 180,000 in 209 settlements, covering about 5 percent of the occupied land." President Jimmy Carter
"The narrative blaming Yasser Arafat now joins a whole string of myths: the Tel Hai myth, the myth of the runaway refugees in 1948, the myth of the War of Independence as a defensive war that broke out because of an invasion by Arab armies, the myth of the few against the many, and the myth of the liberation of
the homeland from the British boot - just to mention a few of the many myths that have been created here to deal with the reality that gave birth to many crises and second thoughts about the situation." Challenging the Camp David myth, By Meron Benvenisti. Ha'aretz, Thursday, August 02, 2001
# Christians, Jews and others should support Israel because of the Promised land/Bible issues.
-See [link to www.christianzionism.org]
- [link to www.hotcoals.org]
- Defining Christian Zionism By Donald Wagner [link to www.christianzionism.org]
- [link to www.jacksonville.com]
- see also these Christian Links of Palestinian Christian and others who truly follow Christ's teachings
# The people of the West Bank benefited from Israeli rule
- In September 1967 Moshe Dayan told senior staff in the Israeli Occupation Army in the West Bank that some 200,000 Palestinian Arabs had left the West Bank and Gaza Strip: "we must understand the motives and causes of the continued emigration of the Arabs, from both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, and not to undermine these cause after all, we want to create a new map." (Benny Morris, Righteous Victims, p. 338)
"The guideline of our policy has always been the idea that a permanent situation of no peace and a latent war is the best situation for us, and that it must be maintained at all costs. ... we are becoming stronger year by year in a situation of impending conflict where it is possible that actual fighting may break out from time to time. Such wars will usually be short and the results guaranteed in advance, since the gap between us and the Arabs is increasing. In this way we shall move on from occupation to further occupation. ... this criminally mischievous policy has led us into the crisis we are living through today...We have not been seeking peace for twenty-five years -- all declarations to that effect have been no more than coloured statements or deliberate lies. There is of course no assurance that we could have made peace with the Arabs if we had wanted to. However, it has to be heavily emphasized that we have not only made no attempts to seek peace, but have deliberately and with premeditation, sabotaged every possibility of doing so." (Yeshayahu Leibowitz, 30 November 1973)
From former Israel Attorney General Michael Ben Yair who wrote on 3/3/2002: "We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupie territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one - progressive, liberal - in Israel; and the other - cruel, injurious - in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day."
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
| Arch~Angel
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# Jews of Iraq and Arab Countries were persecuted and expelled
see [link to www.inminds.co.uk]
[link to www.forward.com]
[link to www.bintjbeil.com]
[link to www.iraqijews.org]
# Iran's President is a Jew-hating, Holocaust-denying, Islamo-fascist who stated he will "wipe Israel off the map"
[link to www.counterpunch.org]
[link to commentisfree.guardian.co.uk]
# Zionists did not push for the war on Iraq and the conflict with Iran is also about US security not Zionist perceived self-interest.
January 26, 1998 Letter by leading Zionists and neoconservatives asking US to attack Iraq and change its regime [link to www.newamericancentury.org]
"Groups Push For Sanctions, Fear US Will Falter on Iran," By Ori Nir, Forward - Sep 1, 2006 issue
[link to www.forward.com]
"Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I'll tell you what I think the real threat and actually has been since 1990 - it's the threat against Israel... And this is the threat that dare not speak its name, because the Europeans don't care deeply about that threat, I will tell you frankly. And the American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell." Pentagon Defense Intelligence Board Member Philip Zeikow, 10 September 2002
Contrary to Chomsky, the US has no interest in supporting Israel [link to www.voltairenet.org]
Challenging the power of the Israeli lobby: what should be done [link to canadiandimension.com]
# Israel is beneficial to US interests in the Middle East
- Cost of Israel to the US [link to www.csmonitor.com]
- "Israel secretly maintains a large and active intelligence-gathering operation in the United States that has long attempted to recruit U.S. officials as spies and to procure classified documents, U.S. government officials said." Los Angeles Times, 3 September 2004
- see The Lobby
- Michael Lind Article on the Lobby's negative influence
- Jewish Groups To Challenge Ethics Reform, By Nathan Guttman, Forward [link to www.forward.com]
Does the Israeli Tail Wag the American Dog?
- If the United States is unable to distinguish the world’s or its own real needs from those of another state and that state’s lobby, then it simply cannot say that it always acts in its own best interests. By Kathleen and Bill Christison (ex CIA Analysts) [link to www.informationclearinghouse.info]
- Is Americans’ support of Israel unshakeable? By Linda S. Heard, Online Journal Contributing Writer [link to onlinejournal.com]
- Israel and US interests aren't identical By Antony Loewenstein [link to www.onlineopinion.com.au]
- [link to www.muckrakerreport.com]
# Israel accidentally attacked the USS Liberty in International waters because it was mistaken for an Egyptian ship
- CIA Director Richard Helms said: "The board of inquiry (concluded) that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing ..."
See [link to ussliberty.org] for lots of other data including testimony of survivors.
# Rachel Corrie was accidentally killed while protecting the house of terrorist
[link to www.rachelcorrie.org]
[link to www.criticalconcern.com]
[link to seattlepi.nwsource.com]
[link to www.amnestyusa.org]
# Mohammed Al-Durra was killed by Palestinians or killed in "cross-fire"
- [link to en.wikipedia.org]
# Israel did not deliberately attack a UN Compound in Qana, Lebanon. "We want it to be clear it was not a deliberate attack because Israel would never target a UN force. It is not part of our policies; it is not part of our values" Israel's Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni.
- From Robert Fisk's April 19, 1996 article "Massacre in Sanctuary" in The Independent (UK): "Qana, southern Lebanon - It was a massacre. Not since Sabra and Chatila had I seen the innocent slaughtered like this. The Lebanese refugee women and children and men lay in heaps, their hands or arms or legs missing, beheaded or disemboweled. There were well over a hundred of them. A baby lay without a head. The Israeli shells had scythed through them as they lay in the United Nations shelter, believing that they were safe under the world's protection. Like the Muslims of Srebrenica, the Muslims of Qana were wrong. In front of a burning building of the UN's Fijian battalion headquarters, a girl held a corpse in her arms, the body of a grey- haired man whose eyes were staring at her, and she rocked the corpse back and forth in her arms, keening and weeping and crying the same words over and over: "My father, my father." A Fijian UN soldier stood amid a sea of bodies and, without saying a word, held aloft the body of a headless child. "The Israelis have just told us they'll stop shelling the area", a UN soldier said, shaking with anger. "...
[link to www.bintjbeil.com]
# The "security barrier" Israel is building is not a land grab and is about Security
- See resources and fact sheets at [link to www.stopthewall.org]
- Video at [link to www.thewallofhate.org]
- [link to www.gush-shalom.org]
# Israel Demolishes Homes for security
- [link to www.icahd.org]
- Rafah Aerial maps before and after
[link to www.poica.org]
[link to www.poica.org]
# Israel only imprisons those responsible for terrorism
- Over 11,000 political prisoners are held by Israel today. Over the past 40 years, Israel imprisoned nearly 40% of male population of the occupied areas. One third are/were held in administrative detention without charge or trial. Hundreds of minors are also held at any one time.
- See "A regrettable indifference" By Amira Hass Haaretz [link to www.haaretz.com]
# Israel does not use weapons of mass destruction
- Dai Williams' report on the use of uranium weapons by Israel in Lebanon last summer is at: UN priorities for investigating uranium and other suspected illegal weapons in the Israel/Lebanon conflict. - by Dai Williams - 2006-09-01 [link to www.globalresearch.ca] . The weapons were flown by the US to Israel. The airplane was supposed to land for refueling at Ireland's shannon Internation Airport, but the Irish government refused permission for it to land on Irish soil, so the plane landed at Prestwick, a small airport in Scotland, south of Glasgow. This subsequently caused some difficulties for the Blair Government. At that time, Dai Williams, an internation expert on DU, advised the Scots that if the plane crashed on landing or take-off, all of southern Scotland would be contaminated by the radioactive weapons on board. This incident was not known in the US. If you need more information on it, look at
[link to www.nadir.org]
# Israel complies with International law and International obligations
- [link to www.ifamericansknew.org]
- [link to www.muckrakerreport.com]
# Arabs in Israel are treated equal. Variant, Israel is a Democracy
See detailed analysis of Israeli laws here: [link to www.mediamonitors.net]
To quote Israeli Arab writer and Knesset Member, Ahmed Tibi: "...dutifully defining the state of Israel as 'Jewish and democratic,' ignores the fact that in practice 'democratic' refers to Jews, and the Arabs are nothing more than citizens without citizenship." (Ma'ariv, 1.6.2005)
Jewishness versus democracy - By Azmi Bishara
Is Israel a democracy
U.S. State Department report on International Religious Freedom: “Arabs in Israel...are subject to various forms of discrimination.. (the government) does not provide Israeli Arabs...with the same quality of education, housing, employment opportunities as Jews.”
Ronnie Kasrils, minister for intelligence in the South African government and of the Jewish faith: "The Palestinian minority in Israel has for decades been denied basic equality in health, education, housing and land possession, solely because it is not Jewish. The fact that this minority is allowed to vote hardly redresses the rampant injustice in all other basic human rights. They are excluded from the very definition of the 'Jewish state', and have virtually no influence on the laws, or political, social and economic policies. Hence, their similarity to the black South Africans under apartheid." (The Guardian, 25 May 2005)
"The Committee UN Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights notes with grave concern that the Status Law of 1952 authorizes the World Zionist Organization/Jewish Agency and its subsidiaries, including the Jewish National Fund, to control most of the land in Israel, since these institutions are chartered to benefit Jews exclusively. Despite the fact that the institutions are chartered under private law, the State of Israel nevertheless has a decisive influence on their policies and thus remains responsible for their activities. A State party cannot divest itself of its obligations under the Covenant by privatizing governmental functions. The Committee takes the view that large-scale and systematic confiscation of Palestinian land and property by the State and the transfer of that property to these agencies constitute an institutionalized form of discrimination because these agencies by definition would deny the use of these properties to non-Jews. Thus, these practices constitute a breach of Israel's obligations under the Covenant. [link to www.unhchr.ch:80]
“The Israeli-Arab sector suffers from discrimination with regards to government services”, outgoing Israeli Northern Police District chief, Commissioner Ya’akov Borovsky to Maariv newspaper, 8/31/04 [link to www.maarivintl.com]
Israel's Strategic Threat by NEVE GORDON (on the persecution of anyone trying to change Israel to a democratic state for its citizens), The Nation, 4/30/07
[link to www.thenation.com]
# Israel does not torture Palestinian Prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions
- [link to www.stoptorture.org.il]
-Israeli torture specialist telling lies
-Truth on Torture by Amnesty International
# Zionists believe in and allow free speech
-The case is closed]: How human rights activists are targeted
# Zionism was a response to anti-Semitism
I urge everyone top read Lenni Brenner's book "51 Documents: History of Nazi-Zionist Collaboration". Here is an example of a message to Nazi germany asking for alliance by a group led by a future Prime Minister of Israel (Menachem Begin) and a leader of Likud (Sharon's party).
FDR, Ruth Gruber and me: Zionists stymie WWII rescue plan, by Ronald Bleier October 2006 [ [link to desip.igc.org]
There are lots more data. A summary is in [Chapter 6] of my book.
# Israel is not an apartheid regime
- Read the study: Apartheid – Ancient, Past, and Present: Systematic and Gross Human Rights Violations in Graeco-Roman Egypt, South Africa, and Israel/Palestine, Vienna: Gesellschaft für Phänomenologie und kritische Anthropologie, 2007, 3 rd edition, [ [link to www.dada.at]
-In March 2002, former attorney-general, Michael Ben-Yair even admitted Israel’s apartheid essence: “We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one —progressive, liberal—in Israel; and the other—cruel, injurious—in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day.”
-The collaboration between apartheid Israel and the apartheid regime of South Africa. "During the second world war the future South African prime minister John Vorster was interned as a Nazi sympathiser. Three decades later he was being feted in Jerusalem. In the second part of his remarkable special report, Chris McGreal investigates the clandestine alliance between Israel and the apartheid regime, cemented with the ultimate gift of friendship - A-bomb technology" [ [link to www.guardian.co.uk]
-"Disengagement in Gaza, Consolidation in the West Bank".. Ariel Sharon and his right hand man Dov Weisglass
-"Us here, them there" Ehaud Barak
-Arnon Sofer calls for an explicit policy of "geographic separation and ethnic separation" to solve the "demographic problem"
-From former Israel Attorney General Michael Ben Yair who wrote on 3/3/2002: "We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupie territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one - progressive, liberal - in Israel; and the other - cruel, injurious - in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day.
-Desmond Tutu on israeli apartheid [ [link to news.bbc.co.uk]
Apartheid Israel: A Beacon of Hope? By Prof. VIRGINIA TILLEY Counterpunch, 5 December 2006 [ [link to counterpunch.org]
# Muslims cannot assimilate in Western countries
On Muslims in America: "Assimilation is Not a Disappearing Act"
# Jihad and Mujahideen refers to violence against infidels/non-muslims
- Partial Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 37: Book 37, Number 4330: Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The best jihad in the path of Allah is (to speak) a word of justice to an oppressive ruler.
[link to www.usc.edu]
# Israeli academics are generally liberals who support human rights
Silence means a boycott is justified: Israeli academics are not standing up for their Palestinian counterparts, and a boycott is the best way forward, says Amjad Barham
Thursday May 24, 2007 [ [link to education.guardian.co.uk]
# Israel seeks peace with Syria
Operation peace for the winery: Israel does not want peace with Syria by Gideon Levy [ [link to www.haaretz.com]
CCR client Maher Arar was changing planes at JFK on his way home to Canada from a family vacation when he was detained by the U.S. authorities (themselves collaborating with Israel) and 'rendered' to Syria, where he was tortured and held for nearly a year video: [ [link to www.youtube.com]
# Media has been biased against Israel
The reverse is true. There are lots of objective and documented evidence to the bias against Palestinians.
Great analysis with statistical data is found at [ [link to ifamericansknew.org]]
Buying the War on Palestinians: The US Media, The New York Times and Israel by Patrick O'Connor [ [link to www.zmag.org]
# Boycotts and Divestment are immoral and anti-Semitic
- Visit [Boycotts and Divestment] for compilations of websites and information
# Zionism represent Jews or at least mainstream Judaism
- There are literally hundreds of books on the subject of Jewish Anti-Zionism. A Statement to the 1919 Peace Conference by prominent U.S. Jews (including one Congressman): "We raise our voices in warning and protest against the demand of the Zionists for the reorganization of the Jews as a national unit, to whom, now or in the future, territorial sovereignty in Palestine shall be committed. This demand not only misrepresents the trend of the history of the Jews, who ceased to be a nation 2000 years ago, but involves the limitation and possible annulment of the larger claims of Jews for full citizenship and human rights in all lands in which those rights are not yet secure. For the very reason that the new era upon which the world is entering aims to establish government everywhere on principles of true democracy, we reject the Zionistic project of a °Ænational home for the Jewish people in Palestine.°Ø ...As to the future of Palestine, it is our fervent hope that what was once a "promised land" for the Jews may become a "land of promise" for all races and creeds, safeguarded by the League of Nations which, it is expected, will be one of the fruits of the Peace Conference to whose deliberations the world now looks forward so anxiously and so full of hope. We ask that Palestine be constituted as a free and independent state, to be governed under a democratic form of government recognizing no distinctions of creed or race or ethnic descent, and with adequate power to protect the country against oppression of any kind. We do not wish to see Palestine, either now or at any time in the future, organized as a Jewish State
Quoted in Roselle Tekiner, Samir Abed-Rabbo and Norton Mezvinsky, eds., Anti-Zionism: Analytical Reflections, (New York: Amana Books, 1988). [ [link to www.codoh.com]
# Zionsits have been honest(Many more lies uncovered)
- 12 Conventional lies by Uri Avnery [link to www.palestineremembered.com]
- Zionist Rabbi fakes his own stabbing
- Delusional fabrication: Propaganda tools of Israel and American Zionists By Paul J. Balles
French women sentenced for faking anti-Semitic attack
"The IDF acknowledged Friday that Israeli gunfire was responsible for the wounding of the American photographer shot last week in Bethlehem. Yola Monakhov, 26, was on assignment for The Associated Press last Saturday when she was shot in the abdomen. She suffered extensive internal injuries and fractures to the pelvis .....Previously, the army said it had no evidence of a journalist being shot that afternoon. An army spokesman, Yarden Vatikay, had said a soldier fired only one live round very accurately at the leg of a Palestinian man. The army also had suggested that Monakhov may have been shot by a Palestinian bullet." Associated Press November 17, 2000
- "The (Israeli military psychological warfare) unit's activities have been controversial for years. In October 1999, Aluf Benn revealed in Haaretz that members of the unit used the Israeli media to emphasize reports initiated by the unit that it managed to place in the Arab press. He reported that the news reports focused on Iranian and Hezbollah involvement in terror activity. Psychological warfare officers were in touch with Israeli journalists covering the Arab world, gave them translated articles from Arab papers (which were planted by the IDF) and pressed the Israeli reporters to publish the same news here." IDF reviving psychological warfare unit, Haaretz 1/25/05 [ [link to www.haaretz.com]
- Mossad Exposed in Phony Palestinian Al-Qaeda' Caper
- Israeli torture specialist telling lies
- In an article in USA Today titled "Let our kids alone, Arafat told," Matthew Kalman reported (December 8, 2000) that "In a rare letter of protest sent this week to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, a Palestinian women's group demanded that the Palestinian Authority stop using children as cannon fodder." He goes on to state that this group is a Women Union in Tulkarem. I took the liberty to investigate this outrageous claim and the messages I got so far from Women Associations in the West Bank in general and Tulkarm in specific showed no evidence for his claim. (contacts Suheir Azzouni watcorg@palnet.com and gupw@palnet.com (letter of Dec 19, 2000)
- "The Secretary-General has reviewed the report by the Investigation Team from the Secretariat which has inquired into the Israeli allegations against UNRWA personnel. The Secretary-General takes note of the Team's conclusion that the allegation that a rocket was loaded into an UNRWA ambulance was unjustified as the object, in fact, was a folding stretcher of the type carried as normal equipment in UNRWA ambulances. He also takes note that, following the Team's visit, the Government of Israel has admitted that it wrongly identified the stretcher as a Qassam Rocket and has publicly withdrawn the allegations." SECRETARY-GENERAL NOTES ISRAEL'S WITHDRAWAL OF ROCKET ALLEGATION AGAINST UNRWA Report, UN News, 27 October 2004
- Darfur used for Israeli PR efforts [ [link to ww4report.com]
- Israel use of "targeted killing" is defended by Israeli spokesperson but is extrajudicial executions that are illegal under international law (see reposrts by Human rights organizations like Amnesty, Human Righst Watch etc)
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U.S. Army Officers Say: 'Mossad May Blame Arabs
" In what may be part of a systematic effort by Israeli internal security forces to use journalism as a cover for intelligence-gathering, agents from Israel’s General Security Services, also known as the Shin Bet, impersonated a veteran Israeli television news correspondent."
Committee for the Protection of Journalists, 1997
Statement by prominent American Jews to the Paris peace conference 1919 stating their opposition to a Jewish state
Whose arming Israel? (a concise report that could be made into a flyer)
"I have always said that if the deepest and profoundest hope symbolizing redemption is the re-building of the Jewish Temple . . . then it is obvious that those mosques (al-Haram al-Sharif and al-Aqsa) will have, one way or another, to disappear one of these days . . . Had it not been for Deir Yasin - half a million Arabs would be living in the state of lsrael. The state of Israel would not have existed. We must not disregard this, with full awareness of the responsibility involved. All wars are cruel. There is no way out of that. This country will either be Eretz Israel with an absolute Jewish majority and a small Arab minority, or Eretz Ishmael, and Jewish emigration will begin again if we do not expel the Arabs one way or another". (Israel Eldad (Scheib), leader of LEHI terror group with Shamir. 'On the Spirit That Was Revealed in the People', De'ot, Winter 1968; as quoted in Davis and Mezvinsky (eds.) Documents from Israel (1967-1973, pp.l86-7).
Besides the lies, there is what is not permitted to be told. Facts long suppressed
Huntleigh USA that oversaw security at Newark and Boston airports during 9/11/01 is a wholly-owned subsidiary of an Israeli company called International Consultants on Targeted Security (ICTS) International N.V., a Netherlands-based aviation and transportation security firm headed by Israelis.
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
| Arch~Angel
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7/8/2007 5:05 PM
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Good to see you back, A-A.
Zionism is a plague best avoided. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 263254
I never left. They just opened up the accounts and free registering again. I was not willing to pay a hundred bucks to have an avatar at one banal forum.
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 260155
7/8/2007 5:18 PM | | Re: Compiling Zionist Lies & Answering Them | Quote |
A~A,
While you were gone, I thought maybe you moved on and actually got a life..
But I see that isn't true, and you still to hate others
'cause otherwise you'd have to hate yourself. |
| Arch~Angel
User ID: 207097
7/8/2007 6:04 PM
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I had a life long before you started posting here.
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
| Anonymous Coward
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7/8/2007 6:11 PM | | Re: Compiling Zionist Lies & Answering Them | Quote |
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| Arch~Angel
User ID: 207097
7/8/2007 6:28 PM
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 220500
Where are all the Zionists to defend their propaganda?
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
| SheetHead
User ID: 218827
7/8/2007 6:32 PM
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Good to see you back, A-A.
I never left. They just opened up the accounts and free registering again. I was not willing to pay a hundred bucks to have an avatar at one banal forum. Quoting: Arch~Angel
At least you were less prone to post novels while you were an AC.
MFGoodness-
Post half a book, (that no one is going to read) then bump yourself with the other half?
:attentionwhore:
My son is an honor student at "Akmeds Camel Jocky Institute" |
| Anonymous Coward
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7/8/2007 6:34 PM | | Re: Compiling Zionist Lies & Answering Them | Quote |
AA. you are back. One of the few posters of substance and truth.
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| Arch~Angel
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7/8/2007 6:46 PM
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Good to see you back, A-A.
I never left. They just opened up the accounts and free registering again. I was not willing to pay a hundred bucks to have an avatar at one banal forum.
At least you were less prone to post novels while you were an AC.
MFGoodness-
Post half a book, (that no one is going to read) then bump yourself with the other half?
:attentionwhore: Quoting: SheetHead
If you look at the times it was all posted in two minutes. There is a size limits to posts. I had to cut it up.
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 263150
7/8/2007 7:00 PM | | Re: Compiling Zionist Lies & Answering Them | Quote |
A~A,
While you were gone, I thought maybe you moved on and actually got a life..
But I see that isn't true, and you still to hate others
'cause otherwise you'd have to hate yourself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 260155
Why do zionists equate the truth with hate? Guilt? The truth to them is like a cross to a vampire. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 260155
7/8/2007 7:10 PM | | Re: Compiling Zionist Lies & Answering Them | Quote |
Jesus Christ is Truth. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 260155
7/8/2007 7:11 PM | | Re: Compiling Zionist Lies & Answering Them | Quote |
I had a life long before you started posting here. Quoting: Arch~Angel
You have no idea when I started or how many times we have danced. |
| Arch~Angel
User ID: 207097
7/8/2007 7:12 PM
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I had a life long before you started posting here.
You have no idea when I started or how many times we have danced. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 260155
How do you know that I don't know?
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
| Arch~Angel
User ID: 207097
7/8/2007 10:03 PM
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Not with a 10 foot pole, other than to give a one star vote.
But, I'll keep it handy for when the lies pop up in other threads.
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
| Anonymous Coward
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7/8/2007 10:09 PM | | Re: Compiling Zionist Lies & Answering Them | Quote |
Where are all the Zionists to defend their propaganda? Quoting: Arch~Angel
Damn good question. GOG, Matheus (sp), pacman, sigma, gaia at Isreal??? hmmm.......... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 207097 (OP)
7/8/2007 10:46 PM | | Re: Compiling Zionist Lies & Answering Them | Quote |
It hurts to much for them to even look. Total destruction of their belief structure would leave them shadows of their former arrogant selves. |
| Anonymous Coward
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7/8/2007 10:59 PM | | Re: Compiling Zionist Lies & Answering Them | Quote |
It hurts to much for them to even look. Total destruction of their belief structure would leave them shadows of their former arrogant selves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 207097
"Total destruction of their belief structure"
Oh yes, that is so very true. |
| Anonymous Coward
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7/8/2007 11:17 PM | | Re: Compiling Zionist Lies & Answering Them | Quote |
This was a great post Arch~Angel , I can't believe billions of American tax dollars flow into and support this brutal military theocracy That constantly paints it's self as the victim of undeserved criticism by the world communities.
In the US The AIPAC and ZPC (Zionist Power Configuration)are major lobbying activist that have Washington eating out of their hands for years now. ZPC gets 20% of US foreign Military aid now .I think that Israel has more say so in Washington than the people of this country That's why we will be sending our children to die for Israel agendas fighting their enemies as long as Jews control the world banks and media and our politicians , and it doesn't matter which party is in control the only difference between the Republicans and Democrats is the velocity with which their knees hit the floor when a lobbyist opens their office door. |
| Arch~Angel
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7/9/2007 12:02 AM
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You can have any president you want as long as you want a Zionist.
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 262601
7/9/2007 12:11 AM | | Re: Compiling Zionist Lies & Answering Them | Quote |
You can have any president you want as long as you want a Zionist. Quoting: Arch~Angel
You can have any president you want as long as he is a freakmason, a zionist and worships satan. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 262601
7/9/2007 12:34 AM | | Re: Compiling Zionist Lies & Answering Them | Quote |
"9 in 10 Israeli settlements sprawl beyond their official boundaries..."
[link to news.yahoo.com] |
| Arch~Angel
User ID: 207097
7/9/2007 12:44 AM
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 262601
Thats a nice way of saying that Land Theft is Rampant.
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
| Scribe
User ID: 212949
7/9/2007 1:35 AM
 | | Re: Compiling Zionist Lies & Answering Them | Quote |
Where are all the Zionists to defend their propaganda?
Damn good question. GOG, Matheus (sp), pacman, sigma, gaia at Isreal??? hmmm.......... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 220500
It's too long.
Why would any self-respecting Zionist waste his time reading a 3 page Israel bashing rant?
To the Zionist haters, I'm sure it's poetry, but to those of us deluded by the Zionist evil craft, it's hogwash.
So maybe you give us the cliff-notes?
Most of the stuff people worry about ain't never gonna
happen anyway. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 263577
7/9/2007 4:14 AM | | Re: Compiling Zionist Lies & Answering Them | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 263568
7/9/2007 4:31 AM | | Re: Compiling Zionist Lies & Answering Them | Quote |
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| Arch~Angel
User ID: 207097
7/9/2007 8:20 AM
| | Re: Compiling Zionist Lies & Answering Them | Quote |
Where are all the Zionists to defend their propaganda?
Damn good question. GOG, Matheus (sp), pacman, sigma, gaia at Isreal??? hmmm..........
It's too long.
Why would any self-respecting Zionist waste his time reading a 3 page Israel bashing rant?
To the Zionist haters, I'm sure it's poetry, but to those of us deluded by the Zionist evil craft, it's hogwash.
So maybe you give us the cliff-notes? Quoting: Scribe
Everything that 'they' say about Israel and the Palestinians is either a half lie or complete fiction.
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
| Arch~Angel
User ID: 207097
7/9/2007 8:21 AM
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 263568
Exactly. Thats exactly how Israel is acting today. They learned well from that man.
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 263150
7/9/2007 8:24 AM | | Re: Compiling Zionist Lies & Answering Them | Quote |
It's too long. Quoting: Scribe
Of course it's long. What else could you expect with so many zionist lies? |
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