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Would YOU like to KNOW what US Soldiers are REALLY being trained to do? 50 Soldiers Speak OUT

 
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Sgt John Bruhns, 29, of the 3rd Brigade, 1st Armoured Division, described a typical raid. "You want to catch them off guard," he explained. "You want to catch them in their sleep ... You grab the man of the house. You rip him out of bed in front of his wife. You put him up against the wall... Then you go into a room and you tear the room to shreds. You'll ask 'Do you have any weapons? Do you have any anti-US propaganda?'

"Normally they'll say no, because that's normally the truth," Sgt Bruhns said. "So you'll take his sofa cushions and dump them. You'll open up his closet and you'll throw all the clothes on the floor and basically leave his house looking like a hurricane just hit it." And at the end, if the soldiers don't find anything, they depart with a "Sorry to disturb you. Have a nice evening".



Sgt Dougherty described her squad leader shooting an Iraqi civilian in the back in 2003. "The mentality of my squad leader was like, 'Oh, we have to kill them over here so I don't have to kill them back in Colorado'," she said. "He just seemed to view every Iraqi as a potential terrorist."



"People would make jokes about it, even before we'd go into a raid, like, 'Oh fuck, we're gonna get the wrong house'. Cause it would always happen. We always got the wrong house." - Sergeant Jesus Bocanegra, 25, of Weslaco, Texas 4th Infantry Division. In Tikrit on year-long tour that began in March 2003


"We were approaching this one house... and we're approaching, and they had a family dog. And it was barking ferociously, cause it's doing its job. And my squad leader, just out of nowhere, just shoots it... So I see this dog - I'm a huge animal lover... this dog has, like, these eyes on it and he's running around spraying blood all over the place. And like, you know, what the hell is going on? The family is sitting right there, with three little children and a mom and a dad, horrified. And I'm at a loss for words." - Specialist Philip Chrystal, 23, of Reno, 3rd Battalion, 116th Cavalry Brigade. In Kirkuk and Hawija on 11-month tour beginning November 2004



"I'll tell you the point where I really turned... [there was] this little, you know, pudgy little two-year-old child with the cute little pudgy legs and she has a bullet through her leg... An IED [improvised explosive device] went off, the gun-happy soldiers just started shooting anywhere and the baby got hit. And this baby looked at me... like asking me why. You know, 'Why do I have a bullet in my leg?'... I was just like, 'This is, this is it. This is ridiculous'." - Specialist Michael Harmon, 24, of Brooklyn, 167th Armour Regiment, 4th Infantry Division. In Al-Rashidiya on 13-month tour beginning in April 2003



"Here's some guy, some 14-year-old kid with an AK47, decides he's going to start shooting at this convoy. It was the most obscene thing you've ever seen. Every person got out and opened fire on this kid. Using the biggest weapons we could find, we ripped him to shreds..." - Sergeant Patrick Campbell, 29, of Camarillo, California, 256th Infantry Brigade. In Abu Gharth for 11 months beginning November 2004



"Cover your own butt was the first rule of engagement. Someone could look at me the wrong way and I could claim my safety was in threat." - Lieutenant Brady Van Engelen, 26, of Washington DC, 1st Armoured Division. Eight-month tour of Baghdad beginning Sept 2003


"[The photo] was very graphic... They open the body bags of these prisoners that were shot in the head and [one soldier has] got a spoon. He's reaching in to scoop out some of his brain, looking at the camera and smiling." - Specialist Aidan Delgado, 25, of Sarasota, Florida, 320th Military Police Company. Deployed to Talil air base for one year beginning April 2003



"The frustration that resulted from our inability to get back at those who were attacking us led to tactics that seemed designed simply to punish the local population..." - Sergeant Camilo Mejía, 31, from Miami, National Guardsman, 1-124 Infantry Battalion, 53rd Infantry Brigade. Six-month tour beginning April 2003




"I just remember thinking, 'I just brought terror to someone under the American flag'." - Sergeant Timothy John Westphal, 31, of Denver, 18th Infantry Brigade, 1st Infantry Division. In Tikrit on year-long tour beginning February 2004



"A lot of guys really supported that whole concept that if they don't speak English and they have darker skin, they're not as human as us, so we can do what we want." - Specialist Josh Middleton, 23, of New York City, 2nd Battalion, 82nd Airborne Division. Four-month tour in Baghdad and Mosul beginning December 2004




"I felt like there was this enormous reduction in my compassion for people. The only thing that wound up mattering is myself and the guys that I was with, and everybody else be damned." - Sergeant Ben Flanders, 28, National Guardsman from Concord, New Hampshire, 172nd Mountain Infantry. In Balad for 11 months beginning March 2004



And these are the men an women coming home to protect us from a Police State? Time to worry.
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EXACTAMUNDO!
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Maybe they are training to BE the police state.
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Does anyone really think that they are going to be able to leave that desensitization at the shore? Pulease. The leaders know EXACTLY what they are doing. Mind-fucking an entire military of young people. Automatons with weapons.
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although I totally disagree with the Iraqi occupation/police action (not a war)...

the responses you have presented, OP , are typical for ANY WAR TYPE SITUATION.

war is a bitch, especially if it is nothing but political bullshit....

as a vietnam vet.
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Maybe they are training to BE the police state.
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Obviously. You really think the UN is going to take over the US? Not without help from America's own.
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correction:

I am not a vietnam vet. I meant to write, "ask a vietnam vet"
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although I totally disagree with the Iraqi occupation/police action (not a war)...

the responses you have presented, OP , are typical for ANY WAR TYPE SITUATION.

war is a bitch, especially if it is nothing but political bullshit....

as a vietnam vet.
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Yeah yeah, we all know war is a bitch. But do you not agree that they are being primed for Act II?
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correction:

I am not a vietnam vet. I meant to write, "ask a vietnam vet"
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Done:

Not a nice read at all.

As an ex soldier myself who knows how hard it can be entering city street after a not so nice tour, i do find myself wondering what on earth is in store for these sort of soldiers when they eventualy leave the forces and return to the US?

When sickening behaviour like his becomes second nature and routine, it becomes a habit that is difficult to break.

This will be carried on towards family, friends and anyone else who gets on the wrong side of them whan they return.

Luckily this does not reflect the actions of the entire force over there.

Like i said though, sad that it's happening in Iraq, sad that they'll bring this home with them.
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Guess this guy knows what he's talking about:
pennywise pennywise pennywise pennywise
"Soldiers are dumb animals to be used as pawns" H. Kissinger.
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They're not being primed or trained to do jack shit

These soldiers that come back from Iraq and the middle east are ticking time bombs because they're the only ones that realize what madness is being done under the guise of freedom

They're the only ones that would fight back in america, so they're being injured and destroyed there so they don't come back

Sure folks can say 9/11 is inside job, or the government is lying, but the troops there are the only ones who are truly facing up to what America as a whole has caused

In the end, they are your only hope, and that's only if they're aware

The normal population will never do jack shit, they are simply not committed enough to do what is necessary to bring the U.S. back to what it should be
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They're not being primed or trained to do jack shit

These soldiers that come back from Iraq and the middle east are ticking time bombs because they're the only ones that realize what madness is being done under the guise of freedom

They're the only ones that would fight back in america, so they're being injured and destroyed there so they don't come back

Sure folks can say 9/11 is inside job, or the government is lying, but the troops there are the only ones who are truly facing up to what America as a whole has caused

In the end, they are your only hope, and that's only if they're aware

The normal population will never do jack shit, they are simply not committed enough to do what is necessary to bring the U.S. back to what it should be
 Quoting: Fool 260063




You doubt it, and then answer your own denial..."if they're aware." I have tremendous respect for the soldiers who are exposing the atrocities of this war, but did you read the above quotes? Too far gone. Too far gone. They are order takers. Point and shoot. C'mon now.

And as for the "normal population"...they will easily be rounded up and put in the pens by their once loving sons and daughters.
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You doubt it, and then answer your own denial..."if they're aware." I have tremendous respect for the soldiers who are exposing the atrocities of this war, but did you read the above quotes? Too far gone. Too far gone. They are order takers. Point and shoot. C'mon now.

And as for the "normal population"...they will easily be rounded up and put in the pens by their once loving sons and daughters.
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The above quotes are only the tip of the iceberg, with so many troops committed in the region and being forced to watch the madness, it will affect many of them

Especially when they come back and realize no one wants the war and they're going to be ignored by the mainstream

So there will be a significant amount who will experience it

As for "They are order takers."
No shit... just about everyone on this planet is an "order taker"... abiding by rules and regulations that make no sense, yet here we are, playing by the rules
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They're not being primed or trained to do jack shit

These soldiers that come back from Iraq and the middle east are ticking time bombs because they're the only ones that realize what madness is being done under the guise of freedom

They're the only ones that would fight back in america, so they're being injured and destroyed there so they don't come back

Sure folks can say 9/11 is inside job, or the government is lying, but the troops there are the only ones who are truly facing up to what America as a whole has caused

In the end, they are your only hope, and that's only if they're aware

The normal population will never do jack shit, they are simply not committed enough to do what is necessary to bring the U.S. back to what it should be
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Of course not all the soldiers would be part of the Police State. Youd have your crazies, patriots, and the ones that like killing (the ones they`ll use).
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As for "They are order takers."
No shit... just about everyone on this planet is an "order taker"... abiding by rules and regulations that make no sense, yet here we are, playing by the rules
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Oh I know brother. It's painful to be a part of:)
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Of course not all the soldiers would be part of the Police State. Youd have your crazies, patriots, and the ones that like killing (the ones they`ll use).
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Yes. Some will wander WalMart all night. Some will adopt a new addiction. Some will commit suicide. Some will live their lives to the best of their ability. And some will herd us out of our homes. Simple truth.
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"I felt like there was this enormous reduction in my compassion for people. The only thing that wound up mattering is myself and the guys that I was with, and everybody else be damned."

Sergeant Ben Flanders, 28, National Guardsman from Concord, New Hampshire, 172nd Mountain Infantry. In Balad for 11 months beginning March 2004


This is one of the most disturbing...not the most grusome, but telling of the mentality of the situation.
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exactly...

once you get the military mentality
you`ll do just about anything
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I talked to a friend who's husband came back a few months ago. She says they (the squad he was with) are still basically living like they were still there. They don't shower often change clothes about once a week. She says he is really strange acting besides that, and she is kind of scared. I told her she should contact the base chaplain or maybe their commander. She said she was too scared to she was afraid of what may happen to her if they found out, or if the commander took it out on her or her husband someway.

There is beyond a shadow of a doubt a lot of mind fucking going on over there. All of our politicians should be tarred and feathered for letting this tragedy go this far. Although I didn't go to Viet Nam I grew up during it and I think this action is mind fucking our boys and girls way worse than during Viet Nam. Not saying that Viet Nam was a cake walk it was just a little different. Maybe a primer for this one..."okay well that didn't work so well lets try this" and years later they have it down to a science and now our children and other loved ones are suffering because too many of us set on our asses and do nothing to stop it.

Call and write your congresspeople and let them know that this shit has to come to a stop now not next year or next month NOW!! While you have their ears and/or eyes tell them to impeach the executive branch before that start another war and before we start to remove the congressional branch from office for neglecting to protect our rights, our troops, and our constitution.


RAISE HELL PEOPLE IT IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN PUT A STOP TO THESE CRIMINALS AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO OUR CHILDREN!!!
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Most of them will be too sick from depleted uranium to be of any use to anyone.
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I talked to a friend who's husband came back a few months ago. She says they (the squad he was with) are still basically living like they were still there. They don't shower often change clothes about once a week. She says he is really strange acting besides that, and she is kind of scared. I told her she should contact the base chaplain or maybe their commander. She said she was too scared to she was afraid of what may happen to her if they found out, or if the commander took it out on her or her husband someway.

There is beyond a shadow of a doubt a lot of mind fucking going on over there. All of our politicians should be tarred and feathered for letting this tragedy go this far. Although I didn't go to Viet Nam I grew up during it and I think this action is mind fucking our boys and girls way worse than during Viet Nam. Not saying that Viet Nam was a cake walk it was just a little different. Maybe a primer for this one..."okay well that didn't work so well lets try this" and years later they have it down to a science and now our children and other loved ones are suffering because too many of us set on our asses and do nothing to stop it.

Call and write your congresspeople and let them know that this shit has to come to a stop now not next year or next month NOW!! While you have their ears and/or eyes tell them to impeach the executive branch before that start another war and before we start to remove the congressional branch from office for neglecting to protect our rights, our troops, and our constitution.


RAISE HELL PEOPLE IT IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN PUT A STOP TO THESE CRIMINALS AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO OUR CHILDREN!!!
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That is really sad about your friend and her husband. I wonder how many other families are going through similar experiences. Perhaps a support group of wives should form on the net...swap stories, try to get to the bottom of the problem. Hopefully the psychosis doesn't go past post traumatic stress disorder...I mean, I hope a mass manchurian style brainwashing isn't taking place!
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Most of them will be too sick from depleted uranium to be of any use to anyone.
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Sadly I think you might be right about that too. Use 'em up like kleenex.
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Most of them will be too sick from depleted uranium to be of any use to anyone.



Sadly I think you might be right about that too. Use 'em up like kleenex.
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As a teen in the 60's, in a second-hand bookshop I came across a Royal Navy M.O's handbook which included some data re radiation exposure, including the observation that in the event of exposure to a certain threshold of radiation (600 roentgen?) - "the crew may be used for any purpose necessary." That is just what it said.

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pin it as well.
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"Soldiers are dumb animals to be used as pawns" H. Kissinger."""""""""""

And he is one of Bush's advisors.
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Of course not all the soldiers would be part of the Police State. Youd have your crazies, patriots, and the ones that like killing (the ones they`ll use).



Yes. Some will wander WalMart all night. Some will adopt a new addiction. Some will commit suicide. Some will live their lives to the best of their ability. And some will herd us out of our homes. Simple truth.
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MOST WILL BECOME POLICE OFFICERS.
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THE PLAN--use the soldiers to get the oil and bring the middle east into submission(NWO)! they are using the USA to be the global police cop!when the middle east is under submission, then the plug will be pulled on the USA(economy). we are just being propped up for now to get the mission done!dont believe me? go read ATTALI'S book(MILLENIUM) written in 1990!also written in his book how the borders would be open and hordes would come across causing conflct and the people would try to go farther north.the new boat people would be Americans looking for work in other lands after the economy is gone!
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the responses you have presented, OP , are typical for ANY WAR TYPE SITUATION.
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So our young men and women are being turned into moral monsters, who will eventually return to America to be let loose on an unsuspecting public, and your response is essentially, "So what?"

You are forgetting that we brazenly invaded Iraq, not the other way around. This is not at all like the occupation of Germany after World War II, in which they and we knew very well that they were guilty of electing a power-hungry madman. In this case, we elected the power-hungry madman! And yet the Iraqis are suffering for it.
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the responses you have presented, OP , are typical for ANY WAR TYPE SITUATION.
So our young men and women are being turned into moral monsters, who will eventually return to America to be let loose on an unsuspecting public, and your response is essentially, "So what?"

You are forgetting that we brazenly invaded Iraq, not the other way around. This is not at all like the occupation of Germany after World War II, in which they and we knew very well that they were guilty of electing a power-hungry madman. In this case, we elected the power-hungry madman! And yet the Iraqis are suffering for it.
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apparently you paid no attention to the rest of my post.

the police action our soldiers are being required to perform is damaging them.

their reactions to this 'policing action' is the same as in a regular war. The original post simply depicted how soldiers react to being put into a war type scenario.

I am not forgetting anything...you are ranting without thinking.

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