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i dont even need to read the link i already know potter is a illuminati psyop, the brainwashed hairy pooter people are the most hilariously retarded insane fucks ive ever met
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seriously. you people need to let this go. it is not helping your cause(s) at all.
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ls, what cause idiot?

the truth is the truth, even if you're too stupid to see it, deal with it fucktard, you're a sap, a programmed monkey, a sucker, you're helping deliver the next generation of children into a hellish world, one that mimics the illuminatis lifestyle of torture, ritual, bondage and domination, depravity
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LoL Harry Potter satanic?? LoL

You guys are pathetic fucking retards...
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ls, what cause idiot?

the truth is the truth, even if you're too stupid to see it, deal with it fucktard, you're a sap, a programmed monkey, a sucker, you're helping deliver the next generation of children into a hellish world, one that mimics the illuminatis lifestyle of torture, ritual, bondage and domination, depravity
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Harry Potter is a fictional character from a book....right?
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Harry Potter is a fictional character from a book....right?
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Why do Christians hate innocent children fantasy books so much? Maybe because it is innocent and full of fantasy instead of fearmongering cult brainwashing? Yea, i know everything outside the Bible is Satanic and people who don't read it are possessed by Satan. And then you get all upset when someone exposes your religion as very dangerous cult.
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"Why do Christians hate innocent children fantasy books so much?"

not a christian moron. everytime i own a hairy POOter fanatic, glazed eyed, brainwashed retard in a debate they call me 'christian' just shows how blind, ignorant and pig headed these celebrity worshipping, hollywood movie dicksucking, programmed fucking monkeys are!
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seriously. you people need to let this go. it is not helping your cause(s) at all.
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"Why do Christians hate innocent children fantasy books so much?"

not a christian moron. everytime i own a hairy POOter fanatic, glazed eyed, brainwashed retard in a debate they call me 'christian' just shows how blind, ignorant and pig headed these celebrity worshipping, hollywood movie dicksucking, programmed fucking monkeys are!
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Some are awake.... and are aware of the psych op games the Illuminiati play... whether they be Christian or Non Christian, and some sadly will NEVER make the effort to OPEN THEIR EYES to notice what is going on around them.
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"Why do Christians hate innocent children fantasy books so much?"

not a christian moron. everytime i own a hairy POOter fanatic, glazed eyed, brainwashed retard in a debate they call me 'christian' just shows how blind, ignorant and pig headed these celebrity worshipping, hollywood movie dicksucking, programmed fucking monkeys are!
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What's wrong with you people, it's innocent children fantasy books and movies. This is stuff children should watch, i am not big fan myself but i can see how interesting is for them. You need to take a break from all this negative thinking and name calling, in the end it's only you who loses and gets nervous for nothing. :)
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IT IS FICTION, YOU PINHEAD! It is modern mythology that pits good against evil. Harry Potter is the good guy and Valdemort is the evil one.

Hundreds of stories on that same theme told all over the world in every time period and in every culture.

Let the kids enjoy themselves without a hissy fit that they are being controlled by the Illuminati or by a Satanic cult.
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Here is some sick shit...if you're brave enough to read it.......


Genesis 4:2-5

"And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering: but unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect."

As reading a few verses ahead will reveal, the enmity between the brothers inspired by this event is what led to Cain's killing Abel. But why did God accept Abel's offering but not Cain's? The plants of the field were part of God's "very good" creation just as the animals were, and both brothers made offerings befitting their chosen occupations. We are not told of any pre-existing sin which would cause God to look down on Cain. The only remaining explanation is that God preferred Abel's offering because it involved pain and bloodshed - the butchering of innocent animals - whereas Cain's peaceful offering of fruit did not.

The message of the story of Abel and Cain is that faithfulness and obedience are not enough - God also demands willingness to spill blood in his name, and prefers to be worshipped in ways which cause death and suffering. As the rest of this article will show, this theme will recur again and again throughout the Bible.

Genesis 7
Angered by the sinfulness of man, God sends a massive flood that wipes out every living thing, other than Noah, his family, and the animals they take on the ark.

"And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.... And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth."

This was not a quick or clean death. The human beings and animals left behind probably would have felt the first stirrings of anxiety as they saw the rain begin to fall and the water level begin to rise. As rivers overflowed their banks, they would have had to abandon their homes and move to higher ground, to watch mudslides and flash floods sweep away the villages and any who were left behind in them. As the many separate floods began to merge and the raging waters rose higher, they would have been forced to keep climbing, pursued by lightning, howling winds and lapping waves. Upon reaching the highest ground possible and discovering that the flood waters were still rising, there would have been nothing left to do but cower in the last extremity of terror and wait to be overtaken. Their end would not have been pleasant: battered and crushed by rocks and currents, suffocated in mud and silt, and finally pulled under and drowned. The flood waters must have been choked with bodies.

Was such total destruction necessary? Are we to believe that every human being on the planet, other than Noah and his family - including children and newborn babies, husbands and wives, grandfathers and grandmothers, pregnant women and young lovers - was so irredeemably evil that there was absolutely no choice other than to violently kill them all?

This is implausible on its face. Humanity is not so monolithic and never has been; there has never been a nation, a race, or a society in history where literally everyone thought and acted exactly the same way. The Biblical picture that depicts Noah and his family as the only good people in the entire world is unrealistic and unbelievable.

Apologists often try to justify this atrocity by citing the supposed utter depravity of the pre-flood period, but no Bible verse supports such an inference; in fact, Genesis explicitly says that man after the flood was no more evil than man before (8:21), an admission which nullifies the very purpose of the flood. Indeed, according to the Bible's dictum that all sin deserves death (Romans 6:23), there is no reason to believe the pre-flood people were significantly different or more evil than people today. And even if the antediluvian society was beyond redemption, why did God also kill the children? Why did he also kill the animals? What did they do to deserve this catastrophic end? Rather than unleashing such indiscriminate destruction, why didn't God just snap his fingers and make the evil people disappear, or something else similarly selective?

Genesis 22:1-10
One of the most famous episodes in the Old Testament is the patriarch Abraham's near-sacrifice of his son Isaac, and God's blessing him with a great covenant in return for his obedience. However, the true message of this story is not inspiring, but appalling.

"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.... And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood. And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son."

That the sacrifice was not actually carried out does not change the moral revulsion we should feel at this episode. What kind of god would demand a man prove his obedience by murdering his only son? And more so, what kind of man would obey such a command? Abraham has been held up as an archetype by Judaism, Christianity and Islam alike, but is this really the sort of behavior we should strive to emulate - the willingness to kill in God's name? Had I been in Abraham's place, I would have thrown away that knife and let Jehovah know, in no uncertain terms, that I would never serve any deity who demanded such a price. And had I been in God's place, that is exactly the response I would have rewarded.

But no. The God of the Bible rewarded - blessed, actually - a man who would have slit the throat of his son on command. Evidently, this is the quality Jehovah values - not humanistic morality, not an unshakable respect for human life, but a willingness to lay one's conscience aside and blindly obey. Regrettably, Abraham's spiritual heirs have carried on his legacy of killing in obedience to what they believe to be a divine decree, and the tragic results are the bloodshed and terrorism that still rages in places like the Middle East today.

Exodus 4:21
After appointing Moses his spokesman, God sends his new-minted prophet back to speak with Pharaoh, to demand that the enslaved Israelites be released. However, even before Moses returns to Egypt, God tells him that his message will fall on deaf ears, because:

"When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go."

And when Moses returns, this indeed happens. As soon as he performs his first miracle (turning his staff into a snake), we are told that God "hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them" (7:13). Nor is this the only time this happens. In fact, God hardens Pharaoh's heart on seven more occasions, according to the Bible: 9:12, 10:1, 10:20, 10:27, 11:10, 14:4, and 14:8. On each occasion, God sends a plague on the people of Egypt to persuade Pharaoh to change his mind, and then hardens Pharaoh's heart so that he will not change his mind!

Such behavior cannot be called good. How is it fair for God to demand someone do what he says, then remove that person's free will so they cannot do what he says, and then punish them severely for failing to obey him? How is it fair of God to punish someone for doing what he forced them to do? Is that anyone's idea of justice? What purpose does this inconsistent behavior serve? In fact, the text tells us: "And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt. But Pharaoh shall not hearken unto you, that I may lay my hand upon Egypt, and bring forth mine armies, and my people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great judgments" (7:3-4).

In other words, a peaceful exodus would not have satisfied God. It was not enough for him that his people were freed - they had to be freed through destruction and bloodshed. He forced Pharaoh to keep his people captive so that he could prove how powerful he was by sending plagues that devastated the land and killed thousands of innocent people! For more on this, see the next item.

Exodus 12:29-30
After nine previous plagues fail to persuade the hard-hearted Pharaoh (who was hard-hearted because God forced him to be that way, as detailed above) to free the Israelites from their slavery in Egypt, God unleashes his final and most terrible plague: the death of the firstborn.

"And it came to pass, that at midnight the Lord smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead."

The next morning in Egypt must have been a black dawn indeed. How many mothers and fathers were there, stumbling dead-eyed out of their homes? How many wails of grief and funeral songs could be heard? How many graves had to be dug? One can only imagine the horror, grief and despair that would ensue if anything comparable happened in a modern nation.

But why did God do this? After all, ancient Egypt was not a democracy. It was entirely Pharaoh's stubborn heart that was to blame - the ordinary Egyptian people had no part in this decision! What purpose did it serve to punish them? More, what purpose did it serve to punish their children? Among the people dead, many must have been young children, toddlers, infants, newborn babies. What responsibility did they bear for the Israelites' centuries-long captivity?

The text tells us plainly that in all of Egypt, "there was not a house where there was not one dead". But was there not a house where anyone had any sympathy for the Israelites? Out of the entire nation of Egypt, there must have been at least a few people who felt sorry for their plight. Did these people deserve to be punished as well? The text even tells us that God slaughtered the firstborn children of prisoners in the dungeon, who certainly had no power to release the Israelites - indeed, given the harshness of Pharaoh, the people who felt sympathy for them might well have been the ones who were imprisoned. God even killed the firstborn of the cattle! (This despite the fact that God had already killed all the Egyptian cattle in the fifth plague, in 9:6.)

There cannot have been any purpose to this massacre. If God truly wanted the Israelites to be freed, he would have focused his efforts on the one person in all of Egypt who had the power to make that decision (and, again, would not have taken away his free will to prevent him from doing so). It was nothing but pointless cruelty to torment the innocent Egyptian populace with plague after plague, culminating in an atrocity that must have shattered every family in the nation. Do the followers of this god claim to be "pro-family", when he himself is obviously not?

Exodus 22:20
"He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed."

Whether this verse is read as a directive for the people to exact this punishment against an apostate, or as a promise that God himself will do this, the intent is clear: a decree that anyone who worships any deity other than the God of the Bible must die. How can such a commandment be described as anything other than evil? What Jew or Christian would defend this rule as morally praiseworthy?

In all civilized nations in the world today, as well as according to Article 18 of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, freedom of religion and freedom of belief are held as fundamental human rights. But this right is not respected by the God of the Bible - just the opposite. The only system of government he approves of is a dictatorial theocracy where no one is allowed to practice any belief system other than the state-approved one, under pain of death.

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Like the previous verse, this law prescribes an outrageous, barbaric penalty for something that is not even a crime at all. Why should the private sexual activity of consenting adults be any business of the state? The only crimes are those activities that cause tangible harm to others. Speech and activity that others merely find distasteful do not qualify.

Again, what Jew or Christian would defend this verse? What believer would agree with a law saying that sexually active homosexuals - only male homosexuals, apparently - are to be killed? Not denied the right to marry, not even imprisoned, but executed. Should homosexuality be a capital crime deserving lethal injection, the electric chair, or the gas chamber? (or worse methods - see below). Anyone who does not think so is placing themself in opposition to the rules laid down in the Bible.

Numbers 15:32-36
"And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.... And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."

Almost as if the Bible was trying to outdo itself, this passage reaches a new height in outrageously disproportionate punishments for trifling offenses. For the terrible crime of picking up sticks on a day when people were not supposed to pick up sticks, God commanded that a man be put to death. Will anyone claim this punishment was either justified or commensurate?

Not only the incredible severity of the sentence, but the sheer cruelty of the method deserves comment. God ordered the man be executed by stoning, a sentence which involves burying the condemned in a pit, then gathering a crowd to throw stones at his head until he dies. As might be expected, the victim suffers a great deal before this happens. Simply put, stoning is a form of death by torture. Despite official condemnation by the European Union, American lawmakers, and human rights groups such as Amnesty International, this barbaric practice is still carried out today as an official form of punishment in some countries that practice Islamic sharia law such as Iran. (The human rights group Iran-e-Azad provides more information on this practice. ) Ironically, these nations, which have been universally condemned as barbaric, retrogressive and inhumane, are following Biblical law more closely than the predominantly Jewish and Christian nations today. Would a morally good deity ever impose this punishment for any crime?

Numbers 25:4
While abiding in the land of the Midianites en route to the promised land, some Israelite men begin to marry Midianitish women, and worship their gods. This infuriates Jehovah, who gives his followers a dire command:

"And the Lord said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun, that the fierce anger of the Lord may be turned away from Israel. And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baalpeor."

And the judges go on to do this. The most fervent of them, a priest named Phinehas, impales an Israelite man and a Midianite women together on the same spear (25:7-8) and is praised for it by God! This sickening act of bloodshed finally turns the tide of God's wrath, but only after 24,000 Israelites have already died in a divinely sent plague.

Again, notable is God's reaction - he did not forgive the wayward Israelites, nor offer them a chance to repent, nor did he allow them to go their own way while his faithful followers went theirs. Instead, he ordered them to be killed. How many Jews or Christians would be willing to murder a friend or relative who married a person of another religion and then converted to that religion? That is exactly what the God of the Bible commands.
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Seriously, to the fanatics, its time for your fasting and self-punishment.

Commence au festivale.

Don't leave to many bruises on your head, while doing the Monty Python, Search for the Holy Grail, thing.
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Here is some sick shit...if you're brave enough to read it.......


Genesis 4:2-5

"And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering: but unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect."

As reading a few verses ahead will reveal, the enmity between the brothers inspired by this event is what led to Cain's killing Abel. But why did God accept Abel's offering but not Cain's? The plants of the field were part of God's "very good" creation just as the animals were, and both brothers made offerings befitting their chosen occupations. We are not told of any pre-existing sin which would cause God to look down on Cain. The only remaining explanation is that God preferred Abel's offering because it involved pain and bloodshed - the butchering of innocent animals - whereas Cain's peaceful offering of fruit did not.

The message of the story of Abel and Cain is that faithfulness and obedience are not enough - God also demands willingness to spill blood in his name, and prefers to be worshipped in ways which cause death and suffering. As the rest of this article will show, this theme will recur again and again throughout the Bible.

Genesis 7
Angered by the sinfulness of man, God sends a massive flood that wipes out every living thing, other than Noah, his family, and the animals they take on the ark.

"And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.... And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth."

This was not a quick or clean death. The human beings and animals left behind probably would have felt the first stirrings of anxiety as they saw the rain begin to fall and the water level begin to rise. As rivers overflowed their banks, they would have had to abandon their homes and move to higher ground, to watch mudslides and flash floods sweep away the villages and any who were left behind in them. As the many separate floods began to merge and the raging waters rose higher, they would have been forced to keep climbing, pursued by lightning, howling winds and lapping waves. Upon reaching the highest ground possible and discovering that the flood waters were still rising, there would have been nothing left to do but cower in the last extremity of terror and wait to be overtaken. Their end would not have been pleasant: battered and crushed by rocks and currents, suffocated in mud and silt, and finally pulled under and drowned. The flood waters must have been choked with bodies.

Was such total destruction necessary? Are we to believe that every human being on the planet, other than Noah and his family - including children and newborn babies, husbands and wives, grandfathers and grandmothers, pregnant women and young lovers - was so irredeemably evil that there was absolutely no choice other than to violently kill them all?

This is implausible on its face. Humanity is not so monolithic and never has been; there has never been a nation, a race, or a society in history where literally everyone thought and acted exactly the same way. The Biblical picture that depicts Noah and his family as the only good people in the entire world is unrealistic and unbelievable.

Apologists often try to justify this atrocity by citing the supposed utter depravity of the pre-flood period, but no Bible verse supports such an inference; in fact, Genesis explicitly says that man after the flood was no more evil than man before (8:21), an admission which nullifies the very purpose of the flood. Indeed, according to the Bible's dictum that all sin deserves death (Romans 6:23), there is no reason to believe the pre-flood people were significantly different or more evil than people today. And even if the antediluvian society was beyond redemption, why did God also kill the children? Why did he also kill the animals? What did they do to deserve this catastrophic end? Rather than unleashing such indiscriminate destruction, why didn't God just snap his fingers and make the evil people disappear, or something else similarly selective?

Genesis 22:1-10
One of the most famous episodes in the Old Testament is the patriarch Abraham's near-sacrifice of his son Isaac, and God's blessing him with a great covenant in return for his obedience. However, the true message of this story is not inspiring, but appalling.

"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.... And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood. And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son."

That the sacrifice was not actually carried out does not change the moral revulsion we should feel at this episode. What kind of god would demand a man prove his obedience by murdering his only son? And more so, what kind of man would obey such a command? Abraham has been held up as an archetype by Judaism, Christianity and Islam alike, but is this really the sort of behavior we should strive to emulate - the willingness to kill in God's name? Had I been in Abraham's place, I would have thrown away that knife and let Jehovah know, in no uncertain terms, that I would never serve any deity who demanded such a price. And had I been in God's place, that is exactly the response I would have rewarded.

But no. The God of the Bible rewarded - blessed, actually - a man who would have slit the throat of his son on command. Evidently, this is the quality Jehovah values - not humanistic morality, not an unshakable respect for human life, but a willingness to lay one's conscience aside and blindly obey. Regrettably, Abraham's spiritual heirs have carried on his legacy of killing in obedience to what they believe to be a divine decree, and the tragic results are the bloodshed and terrorism that still rages in places like the Middle East today.

Exodus 4:21
After appointing Moses his spokesman, God sends his new-minted prophet back to speak with Pharaoh, to demand that the enslaved Israelites be released. However, even before Moses returns to Egypt, God tells him that his message will fall on deaf ears, because:

"When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go."

And when Moses returns, this indeed happens. As soon as he performs his first miracle (turning his staff into a snake), we are told that God "hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them" (7:13). Nor is this the only time this happens. In fact, God hardens Pharaoh's heart on seven more occasions, according to the Bible: 9:12, 10:1, 10:20, 10:27, 11:10, 14:4, and 14:8. On each occasion, God sends a plague on the people of Egypt to persuade Pharaoh to change his mind, and then hardens Pharaoh's heart so that he will not change his mind!

Such behavior cannot be called good. How is it fair for God to demand someone do what he says, then remove that person's free will so they cannot do what he says, and then punish them severely for failing to obey him? How is it fair of God to punish someone for doing what he forced them to do? Is that anyone's idea of justice? What purpose does this inconsistent behavior serve? In fact, the text tells us: "And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt. But Pharaoh shall not hearken unto you, that I may lay my hand upon Egypt, and bring forth mine armies, and my people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great judgments" (7:3-4).

In other words, a peaceful exodus would not have satisfied God. It was not enough for him that his people were freed - they had to be freed through destruction and bloodshed. He forced Pharaoh to keep his people captive so that he could prove how powerful he was by sending plagues that devastated the land and killed thousands of innocent people! For more on this, see the next item.

Exodus 12:29-30
After nine previous plagues fail to persuade the hard-hearted Pharaoh (who was hard-hearted because God forced him to be that way, as detailed above) to free the Israelites from their slavery in Egypt, God unleashes his final and most terrible plague: the death of the firstborn.

"And it came to pass, that at midnight the Lord smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead."

The next morning in Egypt must have been a black dawn indeed. How many mothers and fathers were there, stumbling dead-eyed out of their homes? How many wails of grief and funeral songs could be heard? How many graves had to be dug? One can only imagine the horror, grief and despair that would ensue if anything comparable happened in a modern nation.

But why did God do this? After all, ancient Egypt was not a democracy. It was entirely Pharaoh's stubborn heart that was to blame - the ordinary Egyptian people had no part in this decision! What purpose did it serve to punish them? More, what purpose did it serve to punish their children? Among the people dead, many must have been young children, toddlers, infants, newborn babies. What responsibility did they bear for the Israelites' centuries-long captivity?

The text tells us plainly that in all of Egypt, "there was not a house where there was not one dead". But was there not a house where anyone had any sympathy for the Israelites? Out of the entire nation of Egypt, there must have been at least a few people who felt sorry for their plight. Did these people deserve to be punished as well? The text even tells us that God slaughtered the firstborn children of prisoners in the dungeon, who certainly had no power to release the Israelites - indeed, given the harshness of Pharaoh, the people who felt sympathy for them might well have been the ones who were imprisoned. God even killed the firstborn of the cattle! (This despite the fact that God had already killed all the Egyptian cattle in the fifth plague, in 9:6.)

There cannot have been any purpose to this massacre. If God truly wanted the Israelites to be freed, he would have focused his efforts on the one person in all of Egypt who had the power to make that decision (and, again, would not have taken away his free will to prevent him from doing so). It was nothing but pointless cruelty to torment the innocent Egyptian populace with plague after plague, culminating in an atrocity that must have shattered every family in the nation. Do the followers of this god claim to be "pro-family", when he himself is obviously not?

Exodus 22:20
"He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed."

Whether this verse is read as a directive for the people to exact this punishment against an apostate, or as a promise that God himself will do this, the intent is clear: a decree that anyone who worships any deity other than the God of the Bible must die. How can such a commandment be described as anything other than evil? What Jew or Christian would defend this rule as morally praiseworthy?

In all civilized nations in the world today, as well as according to Article 18 of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, freedom of religion and freedom of belief are held as fundamental human rights. But this right is not respected by the God of the Bible - just the opposite. The only system of government he approves of is a dictatorial theocracy where no one is allowed to practice any belief system other than the state-approved one, under pain of death.

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Like the previous verse, this law prescribes an outrageous, barbaric penalty for something that is not even a crime at all. Why should the private sexual activity of consenting adults be any business of the state? The only crimes are those activities that cause tangible harm to others. Speech and activity that others merely find distasteful do not qualify.

Again, what Jew or Christian would defend this verse? What believer would agree with a law saying that sexually active homosexuals - only male homosexuals, apparently - are to be killed? Not denied the right to marry, not even imprisoned, but executed. Should homosexuality be a capital crime deserving lethal injection, the electric chair, or the gas chamber? (or worse methods - see below). Anyone who does not think so is placing themself in opposition to the rules laid down in the Bible.

Numbers 15:32-36
"And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.... And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."

Almost as if the Bible was trying to outdo itself, this passage reaches a new height in outrageously disproportionate punishments for trifling offenses. For the terrible crime of picking up sticks on a day when people were not supposed to pick up sticks, God commanded that a man be put to death. Will anyone claim this punishment was either justified or commensurate?

Not only the incredible severity of the sentence, but the sheer cruelty of the method deserves comment. God ordered the man be executed by stoning, a sentence which involves burying the condemned in a pit, then gathering a crowd to throw stones at his head until he dies. As might be expected, the victim suffers a great deal before this happens. Simply put, stoning is a form of death by torture. Despite official condemnation by the European Union, American lawmakers, and human rights groups such as Amnesty International, this barbaric practice is still carried out today as an official form of punishment in some countries that practice Islamic sharia law such as Iran. (The human rights group Iran-e-Azad provides more information on this practice. ) Ironically, these nations, which have been universally condemned as barbaric, retrogressive and inhumane, are following Biblical law more closely than the predominantly Jewish and Christian nations today. Would a morally good deity ever impose this punishment for any crime?

Numbers 25:4
While abiding in the land of the Midianites en route to the promised land, some Israelite men begin to marry Midianitish women, and worship their gods. This infuriates Jehovah, who gives his followers a dire command:

"And the Lord said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun, that the fierce anger of the Lord may be turned away from Israel. And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baalpeor."

And the judges go on to do this. The most fervent of them, a priest named Phinehas, impales an Israelite man and a Midianite women together on the same spear (25:7-8) and is praised for it by God! This sickening act of bloodshed finally turns the tide of God's wrath, but only after 24,000 Israelites have already died in a divinely sent plague.

Again, notable is God's reaction - he did not forgive the wayward Israelites, nor offer them a chance to repent, nor did he allow them to go their own way while his faithful followers went theirs. Instead, he ordered them to be killed. How many Jews or Christians would be willing to murder a friend or relative who married a person of another religion and then converted to that religion? That is exactly what the God of the Bible commands.
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Can you speak for yourself, without quoting this stupid book all the time? Every innocent thing is turned into shit by using various quotes, a lot of times out-of-context, just to justify our twisted view.
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Ah my bad, i see you posted darker parts of the bible, yea it's interesting what it is written there and yet they have the nerve to label only Muslims as violent....

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i dont even need to read the link i already know potter is a illuminati psyop, the brainwashed hairy pooter people are the most hilariously retarded insane fucks ive ever met
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An illuminati psyop??? You think a committe of illuminati decided to write this book and order millions of kids to love it??

Wake up moron, this is a story written by a single woman with a great storytelling talent.

Nothing more and nothing less!
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But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
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Here is some sick shit...if you're brave enough to read it.......


Genesis 4:2-5

"And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering: but unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect."

As reading a few verses ahead will reveal, the enmity between the brothers inspired by this event is what led to Cain's killing Abel. But why did God accept Abel's offering but not Cain's? The plants of the field were part of God's "very good" creation just as the animals were, and both brothers made offerings befitting their chosen occupations. We are not told of any pre-existing sin which would cause God to look down on Cain. The only remaining explanation is that God preferred Abel's offering because it involved pain and bloodshed - the butchering of innocent animals - whereas Cain's peaceful offering of fruit did not.

The message of the story of Abel and Cain is that faithfulness and obedience are not enough - God also demands willingness to spill blood in his name, and prefers to be worshipped in ways which cause death and suffering. As the rest of this article will show, this theme will recur again and again throughout the Bible.

Genesis 7
Angered by the sinfulness of man, God sends a massive flood that wipes out every living thing, other than Noah, his family, and the animals they take on the ark.

"And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.... And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth."

This was not a quick or clean death. The human beings and animals left behind probably would have felt the first stirrings of anxiety as they saw the rain begin to fall and the water level begin to rise. As rivers overflowed their banks, they would have had to abandon their homes and move to higher ground, to watch mudslides and flash floods sweep away the villages and any who were left behind in them. As the many separate floods began to merge and the raging waters rose higher, they would have been forced to keep climbing, pursued by lightning, howling winds and lapping waves. Upon reaching the highest ground possible and discovering that the flood waters were still rising, there would have been nothing left to do but cower in the last extremity of terror and wait to be overtaken. Their end would not have been pleasant: battered and crushed by rocks and currents, suffocated in mud and silt, and finally pulled under and drowned. The flood waters must have been choked with bodies.

Was such total destruction necessary? Are we to believe that every human being on the planet, other than Noah and his family - including children and newborn babies, husbands and wives, grandfathers and grandmothers, pregnant women and young lovers - was so irredeemably evil that there was absolutely no choice other than to violently kill them all?

This is implausible on its face. Humanity is not so monolithic and never has been; there has never been a nation, a race, or a society in history where literally everyone thought and acted exactly the same way. The Biblical picture that depicts Noah and his family as the only good people in the entire world is unrealistic and unbelievable.

Apologists often try to justify this atrocity by citing the supposed utter depravity of the pre-flood period, but no Bible verse supports such an inference; in fact, Genesis explicitly says that man after the flood was no more evil than man before (8:21), an admission which nullifies the very purpose of the flood. Indeed, according to the Bible's dictum that all sin deserves death (Romans 6:23), there is no reason to believe the pre-flood people were significantly different or more evil than people today. And even if the antediluvian society was beyond redemption, why did God also kill the children? Why did he also kill the animals? What did they do to deserve this catastrophic end? Rather than unleashing such indiscriminate destruction, why didn't God just snap his fingers and make the evil people disappear, or something else similarly selective?

Genesis 22:1-10
One of the most famous episodes in the Old Testament is the patriarch Abraham's near-sacrifice of his son Isaac, and God's blessing him with a great covenant in return for his obedience. However, the true message of this story is not inspiring, but appalling.

"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.... And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood. And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son."

That the sacrifice was not actually carried out does not change the moral revulsion we should feel at this episode. What kind of god would demand a man prove his obedience by murdering his only son? And more so, what kind of man would obey such a command? Abraham has been held up as an archetype by Judaism, Christianity and Islam alike, but is this really the sort of behavior we should strive to emulate - the willingness to kill in God's name? Had I been in Abraham's place, I would have thrown away that knife and let Jehovah know, in no uncertain terms, that I would never serve any deity who demanded such a price. And had I been in God's place, that is exactly the response I would have rewarded.

But no. The God of the Bible rewarded - blessed, actually - a man who would have slit the throat of his son on command. Evidently, this is the quality Jehovah values - not humanistic morality, not an unshakable respect for human life, but a willingness to lay one's conscience aside and blindly obey. Regrettably, Abraham's spiritual heirs have carried on his legacy of killing in obedience to what they believe to be a divine decree, and the tragic results are the bloodshed and terrorism that still rages in places like the Middle East today.

Exodus 4:21
After appointing Moses his spokesman, God sends his new-minted prophet back to speak with Pharaoh, to demand that the enslaved Israelites be released. However, even before Moses returns to Egypt, God tells him that his message will fall on deaf ears, because:

"When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go."

And when Moses returns, this indeed happens. As soon as he performs his first miracle (turning his staff into a snake), we are told that God "hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them" (7:13). Nor is this the only time this happens. In fact, God hardens Pharaoh's heart on seven more occasions, according to the Bible: 9:12, 10:1, 10:20, 10:27, 11:10, 14:4, and 14:8. On each occasion, God sends a plague on the people of Egypt to persuade Pharaoh to change his mind, and then hardens Pharaoh's heart so that he will not change his mind!

Such behavior cannot be called good. How is it fair for God to demand someone do what he says, then remove that person's free will so they cannot do what he says, and then punish them severely for failing to obey him? How is it fair of God to punish someone for doing what he forced them to do? Is that anyone's idea of justice? What purpose does this inconsistent behavior serve? In fact, the text tells us: "And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt. But Pharaoh shall not hearken unto you, that I may lay my hand upon Egypt, and bring forth mine armies, and my people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great judgments" (7:3-4).

In other words, a peaceful exodus would not have satisfied God. It was not enough for him that his people were freed - they had to be freed through destruction and bloodshed. He forced Pharaoh to keep his people captive so that he could prove how powerful he was by sending plagues that devastated the land and killed thousands of innocent people! For more on this, see the next item.

Exodus 12:29-30
After nine previous plagues fail to persuade the hard-hearted Pharaoh (who was hard-hearted because God forced him to be that way, as detailed above) to free the Israelites from their slavery in Egypt, God unleashes his final and most terrible plague: the death of the firstborn.

"And it came to pass, that at midnight the Lord smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead."

The next morning in Egypt must have been a black dawn indeed. How many mothers and fathers were there, stumbling dead-eyed out of their homes? How many wails of grief and funeral songs could be heard? How many graves had to be dug? One can only imagine the horror, grief and despair that would ensue if anything comparable happened in a modern nation.

But why did God do this? After all, ancient Egypt was not a democracy. It was entirely Pharaoh's stubborn heart that was to blame - the ordinary Egyptian people had no part in this decision! What purpose did it serve to punish them? More, what purpose did it serve to punish their children? Among the people dead, many must have been young children, toddlers, infants, newborn babies. What responsibility did they bear for the Israelites' centuries-long captivity?

The text tells us plainly that in all of Egypt, "there was not a house where there was not one dead". But was there not a house where anyone had any sympathy for the Israelites? Out of the entire nation of Egypt, there must have been at least a few people who felt sorry for their plight. Did these people deserve to be punished as well? The text even tells us that God slaughtered the firstborn children of prisoners in the dungeon, who certainly had no power to release the Israelites - indeed, given the harshness of Pharaoh, the people who felt sympathy for them might well have been the ones who were imprisoned. God even killed the firstborn of the cattle! (This despite the fact that God had already killed all the Egyptian cattle in the fifth plague, in 9:6.)

There cannot have been any purpose to this massacre. If God truly wanted the Israelites to be freed, he would have focused his efforts on the one person in all of Egypt who had the power to make that decision (and, again, would not have taken away his free will to prevent him from doing so). It was nothing but pointless cruelty to torment the innocent Egyptian populace with plague after plague, culminating in an atrocity that must have shattered every family in the nation. Do the followers of this god claim to be "pro-family", when he himself is obviously not?

Exodus 22:20
"He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed."

Whether this verse is read as a directive for the people to exact this punishment against an apostate, or as a promise that God himself will do this, the intent is clear: a decree that anyone who worships any deity other than the God of the Bible must die. How can such a commandment be described as anything other than evil? What Jew or Christian would defend this rule as morally praiseworthy?

In all civilized nations in the world today, as well as according to Article 18 of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, freedom of religion and freedom of belief are held as fundamental human rights. But this right is not respected by the God of the Bible - just the opposite. The only system of government he approves of is a dictatorial theocracy where no one is allowed to practice any belief system other than the state-approved one, under pain of death.

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Like the previous verse, this law prescribes an outrageous, barbaric penalty for something that is not even a crime at all. Why should the private sexual activity of consenting adults be any business of the state? The only crimes are those activities that cause tangible harm to others. Speech and activity that others merely find distasteful do not qualify.

Again, what Jew or Christian would defend this verse? What believer would agree with a law saying that sexually active homosexuals - only male homosexuals, apparently - are to be killed? Not denied the right to marry, not even imprisoned, but executed. Should homosexuality be a capital crime deserving lethal injection, the electric chair, or the gas chamber? (or worse methods - see below). Anyone who does not think so is placing themself in opposition to the rules laid down in the Bible.

Numbers 15:32-36
"And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.... And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."

Almost as if the Bible was trying to outdo itself, this passage reaches a new height in outrageously disproportionate punishments for trifling offenses. For the terrible crime of picking up sticks on a day when people were not supposed to pick up sticks, God commanded that a man be put to death. Will anyone claim this punishment was either justified or commensurate?

Not only the incredible severity of the sentence, but the sheer cruelty of the method deserves comment. God ordered the man be executed by stoning, a sentence which involves burying the condemned in a pit, then gathering a crowd to throw stones at his head until he dies. As might be expected, the victim suffers a great deal before this happens. Simply put, stoning is a form of death by torture. Despite official condemnation by the European Union, American lawmakers, and human rights groups such as Amnesty International, this barbaric practice is still carried out today as an official form of punishment in some countries that practice Islamic sharia law such as Iran. (The human rights group Iran-e-Azad provides more information on this practice. ) Ironically, these nations, which have been universally condemned as barbaric, retrogressive and inhumane, are following Biblical law more closely than the predominantly Jewish and Christian nations today. Would a morally good deity ever impose this punishment for any crime?

Numbers 25:4
While abiding in the land of the Midianites en route to the promised land, some Israelite men begin to marry Midianitish women, and worship their gods. This infuriates Jehovah, who gives his followers a dire command:

"And the Lord said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun, that the fierce anger of the Lord may be turned away from Israel. And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baalpeor."

And the judges go on to do this. The most fervent of them, a priest named Phinehas, impales an Israelite man and a Midianite women together on the same spear (25:7-8) and is praised for it by God! This sickening act of bloodshed finally turns the tide of God's wrath, but only after 24,000 Israelites have already died in a divinely sent plague.

Again, notable is God's reaction - he did not forgive the wayward Israelites, nor offer them a chance to repent, nor did he allow them to go their own way while his faithful followers went theirs. Instead, he ordered them to be killed. How many Jews or Christians would be willing to murder a friend or relative who married a person of another religion and then converted to that religion? That is exactly what the God of the Bible commands.
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right on, well said.
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The modern nation of Israel drew widespread condemnation recently for a law passed by its parliament that effectively bans mixed marriages between Israeli citizens and Palestinians. Human rights groups such as B'Tselem correctly condemned the law as racist and contrary to basic human freedoms. But what would have been the response if, instead of merely denying mixed-marriage spouses the right to live together, the law instead decreed that both partners of such a union - both husband and wife - were to be put to death? Would any defend such a law as just?

Deuteronomy 7:1-2, 20:16-17
Perhaps the single greatest crime, the greatest act of evil, known to humanity is genocide - the deliberate extermination of a racial, political or religious group. The best-known example, of course, is Nazi Germany's systematic campaign of genocide against the Jewish people, but more recent examples include the African nation of Rwanda, where the majority Hutus killed as many as 800,000 Tutsis over a few months in 1994, and Kosovo, the former Yugoslavia, where as recently as 1999 the Serbian regime of Slobodan Milosevic expelled, raped, and murdered hundreds of thousands of ethnic Albanians before intervention by NATO.

These atrocities are rightfully counted among humanity's darkest moments, and we as a people and a world should be deeply thankful that the international community has finally begun to act with one resolve against such acts of inhumanity. We have no right to call our world civilized or enlightened until the day when peace reigns and these crimes are only a distant memory of a past dark age.

In light of this, how can we evaluate God's instructions to the Israelites upon entering the promised land?

"When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; and when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them."

"But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee."

God specifically identifies groups of people by nationality and orders the Israelites to kill all of them, men, women and children, leaving no one alive. This is the definition of genocide - the deliberate eradication of a people. Note that no one is allowed to surrender or repent; in fact, God's instructions say specifically to show them no mercy, to let no one remain alive. This was indefensible when the Nazis did it, indefensible when the Hutus did it, indefensible when the Serbians did it, and it is indefensible when the Bible commands it. No crime merits mass murder as a punishment, nor can any command justify or excuse the systematic extermination of a people.

Numbers 31
In this chapter, the Israelite army continues its decimation of Canaan. Under the leadership of Moses, they attack another tribe, the Midianites. What happened after the battle is notable.

"And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.... And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? .... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

This order means exactly what it looks like it means: the female virgins among the Midianites were to be sentenced to a life of sexual slavery. Deuteronomy 21:11 and following verses make this explicit, laying out the rules for Israelite warriors to take female captives as wives. Granted, the captive was given a month to mourn her family and could not be sold as property - but on the other hand, she was not given an opportunity to refuse this marriage offer, and the idea that she would willingly marry one of the men who had just been responsible for killing all her relatives and loved ones seems slightly far-fetched. Note also that many of these virgin females were certain to be children, and no law in the Bible says that the Israelites had to wait for their captives to reach a certain age before marrying them.

In addition, why were only the virgin females spared? Was every single non-virgin female guilty of tempting the Israelites into idolatry? And what about the male children - what did they do to deserve death?

Deuteronomy 28
In the first few verses of this chapter, God describes the many blessings and treasures he will grant the Israelites if they obey him and keep his commandments. So far, so good. But then the emphasis moves to what will happen if they do not obey:

"Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field. Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out. The Lord shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me. The Lord shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it. The Lord shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish....

Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand. The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway: So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.... Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.... Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the Lord shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.... Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the Lord bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed."

This chapter, which cannot be described as anything other than a rant, goes on and on, detailing at great length the countless horrible punishments that will ensue if the Israelites falter: cannibalism (complete with parents eating their children), plagues and pestilences, slavery, death in battle, madness, blindness, expulsion from their land, a life of constant fear, oppression and woe; in short, every sort of disaster, pain and catastrophe imaginable. And these miseries and disasters will not be doled out by God with a heavy heart, saddened by the chastisement he must inflict on the people he loves; on the contrary, he will do it gladly, and "rejoice" to destroy them (28:63). And as the coda, God says that he will do these things "because thou servedst not the Lord thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things" (28:47). Would anyone blame the Israelites for not being able to joyfully and gladly serve God after hearing in such graphic detail about the fury he will unleash upon them if they stray?

This long list of dire and terrible threats cannot possibly be reconciled with the verses that depict God as full of compassion, slow to anger, of great kindness and tender mercy. A being possessing those traits would never threaten others with the threats listed above. Can God truly be said to love people at all if he only blesses them when they obey and please him, and pours out his wrath on them as soon as they stray? True love respects the other person's choices and allows them to go their own way; it does not demand that the other party obey all your wishes absolutely, or that they return your love on pain of torture. Such a relationship is not based on love at all, but on fear, and any human being who demanded a relationship on such terms would rightly be called abusive, violent, and mentally ill.

Joshua 6:21
With the Israelites' entry into the promised land, Joshua is appointed to be Moses' successor, and duly takes charge of the campaign of genocide God has commanded against the current inhabitants of that land. The first stop on their invasion is the city of Jericho, whose walls come tumbling down when the Israelite priests blow ram's horn trumpets and shout at them. Jericho is left suddenly defenseless, and Joshua's army comes charging in. "And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword". No prisoners of war are taken, no surrenders are heeded, no civilians are allowed to live except the family of the prostitute Rahab, who aided in the conquest. Man, woman and child, the unsuspecting residents of Jericho are massacred. Even the livestock are killed, for good measure. With the destruction and slaughter complete, Joshua loots the city of all its treasure, burns the rest to the ground, and pronounces a curse upon the spot. The Israelite army then continues its systematic campaign of massacre and destruction, and city after city falls before them.

In addition to Jericho, the list of cities that Joshua completely destroyed, slaughtering every single inhabitant, includes: Ai (8:24-26), Makkedah (10:28), Libnah (10:30), Lachish (10:32), Gezer (10:33), Eglon (10:35), Hebron (10:37), Debir (10:39), Hazor (11:11), and Anab (11:21). (Ai alone had 12,000 inhabitants, according to the text.) With each city destroyed, the Bible repeats the mantra, "And Joshua smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remain". He left not a single person alive, but "utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of Israel commanded" (10:40). "Peaceful coexistence" is evidently not a phrase on God's mind. He stops the sun from going down on one occasion so Joshua has extra time to continue killing (10:12); on another occasion, he even joins in on the slaughter himself, hurling down great stones from heaven onto the Canaanites (10:11), and boasting that he killed more people than the Israelites did with their swords.

The only hitch in this campaign occurs when Achan, the son of Carmi, "took of the accursed thing" (7:1), keeping back some of the silver and gold from an earlier conquest for himself. This sin causes the Israelites to lose a battle. Fortunately, Joshua and the Israelites are able to avert God's wrath by taking Achan himself, his sons, his daughters and his livestock, stoning them all to death, then burning their bodies with fire (7:24-25). This causes their fortunes to change for the better again, at which point they resume slaughtering Canaanites. Even if Achan's sin was serious enough to merit death by torture, why did his children also have to die? The text does not tell us.

1 Samuel 6:19
Earlier in the book of 1 Samuel, a battle between the Israelites and the Philistines ends disastrously for God's chosen people: tens of thousands of Israelites are killed, and worse, the holy Ark of the Covenant, the symbol of Yahweh's promise, is stolen. However, the heathen Philistines cannot keep their hands on the Ark long: their idols crumble when it is brought near, and many men in the Philistine cities die, while many of the survivors are stricken with agonizing hemorrhoids. Finally, the Philistines decide to send the Ark back along with a "trespass offering" of five golden mice and five golden hemorrhoids, and place it on a cart pulled by two oxen, which miraculously take the shortest, straightest way back to Israel entirely by themselves.

The returning Ark arrives in the country of Bethshemesh, where the Jewish people rejoice to see it. However, in their excitement they make the fatal mistake of actually opening the Ark and looking inside.

"And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter."

According to the King James version of the Bible, 50,070 people were killed for looking into the Ark of the Covenant. Over fifty thousand! (Some translations say only 70 people were killed, such as the NIV, but even that version has a footnote admitting that only a "few" manuscripts support their translation while "most" have the KJV wording. Is this change because they recognize the moral implications here?)

To put this number in perspective, consider the most devastating act of terrorism ever committed in the United States, the tragic events of September 11, 2001. On that day, according to a New York Times article honoring the fallen, slightly more than 2,600 people lost their lives. And yet, according to the Bible, on this one occasion almost twenty times as many people died as on the day of September 11! And for what? For looking into a box! And this is detailed in a book that is called the inspired word of God!
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The modern nation of Israel drew widespread condemnation recently for a law passed by its parliament that effectively bans mixed marriages between Israeli citizens and Palestinians. Human rights groups such as B'Tselem correctly condemned the law as racist and contrary to basic human freedoms. But what would have been the response if, instead of merely denying mixed-marriage spouses the right to live together, the law instead decreed that both partners of such a union - both husband and wife - were to be put to death? Would any defend such a law as just?

Deuteronomy 7:1-2, 20:16-17
Perhaps the single greatest crime, the greatest act of evil, known to humanity is genocide - the deliberate extermination of a racial, political or religious group. The best-known example, of course, is Nazi Germany's systematic campaign of genocide against the Jewish people, but more recent examples include the African nation of Rwanda, where the majority Hutus killed as many as 800,000 Tutsis over a few months in 1994, and Kosovo, the former Yugoslavia, where as recently as 1999 the Serbian regime of Slobodan Milosevic expelled, raped, and murdered hundreds of thousands of ethnic Albanians before intervention by NATO.

These atrocities are rightfully counted among humanity's darkest moments, and we as a people and a world should be deeply thankful that the international community has finally begun to act with one resolve against such acts of inhumanity. We have no right to call our world civilized or enlightened until the day when peace reigns and these crimes are only a distant memory of a past dark age.

In light of this, how can we evaluate God's instructions to the Israelites upon entering the promised land?

"When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; and when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them."

"But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee."

God specifically identifies groups of people by nationality and orders the Israelites to kill all of them, men, women and children, leaving no one alive. This is the definition of genocide - the deliberate eradication of a people. Note that no one is allowed to surrender or repent; in fact, God's instructions say specifically to show them no mercy, to let no one remain alive. This was indefensible when the Nazis did it, indefensible when the Hutus did it, indefensible when the Serbians did it, and it is indefensible when the Bible commands it. No crime merits mass murder as a punishment, nor can any command justify or excuse the systematic extermination of a people.

Numbers 31
In this chapter, the Israelite army continues its decimation of Canaan. Under the leadership of Moses, they attack another tribe, the Midianites. What happened after the battle is notable.

"And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.... And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? .... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

This order means exactly what it looks like it means: the female virgins among the Midianites were to be sentenced to a life of sexual slavery. Deuteronomy 21:11 and following verses make this explicit, laying out the rules for Israelite warriors to take female captives as wives. Granted, the captive was given a month to mourn her family and could not be sold as property - but on the other hand, she was not given an opportunity to refuse this marriage offer, and the idea that she would willingly marry one of the men who had just been responsible for killing all her relatives and loved ones seems slightly far-fetched. Note also that many of these virgin females were certain to be children, and no law in the Bible says that the Israelites had to wait for their captives to reach a certain age before marrying them.

In addition, why were only the virgin females spared? Was every single non-virgin female guilty of tempting the Israelites into idolatry? And what about the male children - what did they do to deserve death?

Deuteronomy 28
In the first few verses of this chapter, God describes the many blessings and treasures he will grant the Israelites if they obey him and keep his commandments. So far, so good. But then the emphasis moves to what will happen if they do not obey:

"Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field. Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out. The Lord shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me. The Lord shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it. The Lord shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish....

Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand. The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway: So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.... Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.... Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the Lord shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.... Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the Lord bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed."

This chapter, which cannot be described as anything other than a rant, goes on and on, detailing at great length the countless horrible punishments that will ensue if the Israelites falter: cannibalism (complete with parents eating their children), plagues and pestilences, slavery, death in battle, madness, blindness, expulsion from their land, a life of constant fear, oppression and woe; in short, every sort of disaster, pain and catastrophe imaginable. And these miseries and disasters will not be doled out by God with a heavy heart, saddened by the chastisement he must inflict on the people he loves; on the contrary, he will do it gladly, and "rejoice" to destroy them (28:63). And as the coda, God says that he will do these things "because thou servedst not the Lord thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things" (28:47). Would anyone blame the Israelites for not being able to joyfully and gladly serve God after hearing in such graphic detail about the fury he will unleash upon them if they stray?

This long list of dire and terrible threats cannot possibly be reconciled with the verses that depict God as full of compassion, slow to anger, of great kindness and tender mercy. A being possessing those traits would never threaten others with the threats listed above. Can God truly be said to love people at all if he only blesses them when they obey and please him, and pours out his wrath on them as soon as they stray? True love respects the other person's choices and allows them to go their own way; it does not demand that the other party obey all your wishes absolutely, or that they return your love on pain of torture. Such a relationship is not based on love at all, but on fear, and any human being who demanded a relationship on such terms would rightly be called abusive, violent, and mentally ill.

Joshua 6:21
With the Israelites' entry into the promised land, Joshua is appointed to be Moses' successor, and duly takes charge of the campaign of genocide God has commanded against the current inhabitants of that land. The first stop on their invasion is the city of Jericho, whose walls come tumbling down when the Israelite priests blow ram's horn trumpets and shout at them. Jericho is left suddenly defenseless, and Joshua's army comes charging in. "And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword". No prisoners of war are taken, no surrenders are heeded, no civilians are allowed to live except the family of the prostitute Rahab, who aided in the conquest. Man, woman and child, the unsuspecting residents of Jericho are massacred. Even the livestock are killed, for good measure. With the destruction and slaughter complete, Joshua loots the city of all its treasure, burns the rest to the ground, and pronounces a curse upon the spot. The Israelite army then continues its systematic campaign of massacre and destruction, and city after city falls before them.

In addition to Jericho, the list of cities that Joshua completely destroyed, slaughtering every single inhabitant, includes: Ai (8:24-26), Makkedah (10:28), Libnah (10:30), Lachish (10:32), Gezer (10:33), Eglon (10:35), Hebron (10:37), Debir (10:39), Hazor (11:11), and Anab (11:21). (Ai alone had 12,000 inhabitants, according to the text.) With each city destroyed, the Bible repeats the mantra, "And Joshua smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remain". He left not a single person alive, but "utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of Israel commanded" (10:40). "Peaceful coexistence" is evidently not a phrase on God's mind. He stops the sun from going down on one occasion so Joshua has extra time to continue killing (10:12); on another occasion, he even joins in on the slaughter himself, hurling down great stones from heaven onto the Canaanites (10:11), and boasting that he killed more people than the Israelites did with their swords.

The only hitch in this campaign occurs when Achan, the son of Carmi, "took of the accursed thing" (7:1), keeping back some of the silver and gold from an earlier conquest for himself. This sin causes the Israelites to lose a battle. Fortunately, Joshua and the Israelites are able to avert God's wrath by taking Achan himself, his sons, his daughters and his livestock, stoning them all to death, then burning their bodies with fire (7:24-25). This causes their fortunes to change for the better again, at which point they resume slaughtering Canaanites. Even if Achan's sin was serious enough to merit death by torture, why did his children also have to die? The text does not tell us.

1 Samuel 6:19
Earlier in the book of 1 Samuel, a battle between the Israelites and the Philistines ends disastrously for God's chosen people: tens of thousands of Israelites are killed, and worse, the holy Ark of the Covenant, the symbol of Yahweh's promise, is stolen. However, the heathen Philistines cannot keep their hands on the Ark long: their idols crumble when it is brought near, and many men in the Philistine cities die, while many of the survivors are stricken with agonizing hemorrhoids. Finally, the Philistines decide to send the Ark back along with a "trespass offering" of five golden mice and five golden hemorrhoids, and place it on a cart pulled by two oxen, which miraculously take the shortest, straightest way back to Israel entirely by themselves.

The returning Ark arrives in the country of Bethshemesh, where the Jewish people rejoice to see it. However, in their excitement they make the fatal mistake of actually opening the Ark and looking inside.

"And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter."

According to the King James version of the Bible, 50,070 people were killed for looking into the Ark of the Covenant. Over fifty thousand! (Some translations say only 70 people were killed, such as the NIV, but even that version has a footnote admitting that only a "few" manuscripts support their translation while "most" have the KJV wording. Is this change because they recognize the moral implications here?)

To put this number in perspective, consider the most devastating act of terrorism ever committed in the United States, the tragic events of September 11, 2001. On that day, according to a New York Times article honoring the fallen, slightly more than 2,600 people lost their lives. And yet, according to the Bible, on this one occasion almost twenty times as many people died as on the day of September 11! And for what? For looking into a box! And this is detailed in a book that is called the inspired word of God!
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The modern nation of Israel drew widespread condemnation recently for a law passed by its parliament that effectively bans mixed marriages between Israeli citizens and Palestinians. Human rights groups such as B'Tselem correctly condemned the law as racist and contrary to basic human freedoms. But what would have been the response if, instead of merely denying mixed-marriage spouses the right to live together, the law instead decreed that both partners of such a union - both husband and wife - were to be put to death? Would any defend such a law as just?

Deuteronomy 7:1-2, 20:16-17
Perhaps the single greatest crime, the greatest act of evil, known to humanity is genocide - the deliberate extermination of a racial, political or religious group. The best-known example, of course, is Nazi Germany's systematic campaign of genocide against the Jewish people, but more recent examples include the African nation of Rwanda, where the majority Hutus killed as many as 800,000 Tutsis over a few months in 1994, and Kosovo, the former Yugoslavia, where as recently as 1999 the Serbian regime of Slobodan Milosevic expelled, raped, and murdered hundreds of thousands of ethnic Albanians before intervention by NATO.

These atrocities are rightfully counted among humanity's darkest moments, and we as a people and a world should be deeply thankful that the international community has finally begun to act with one resolve against such acts of inhumanity. We have no right to call our world civilized or enlightened until the day when peace reigns and these crimes are only a distant memory of a past dark age.

In light of this, how can we evaluate God's instructions to the Israelites upon entering the promised land?

"When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; and when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them."

"But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee."

God specifically identifies groups of people by nationality and orders the Israelites to kill all of them, men, women and children, leaving no one alive. This is the definition of genocide - the deliberate eradication of a people. Note that no one is allowed to surrender or repent; in fact, God's instructions say specifically to show them no mercy, to let no one remain alive. This was indefensible when the Nazis did it, indefensible when the Hutus did it, indefensible when the Serbians did it, and it is indefensible when the Bible commands it. No crime merits mass murder as a punishment, nor can any command justify or excuse the systematic extermination of a people.

Numbers 31
In this chapter, the Israelite army continues its decimation of Canaan. Under the leadership of Moses, they attack another tribe, the Midianites. What happened after the battle is notable.

"And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.... And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? .... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

This order means exactly what it looks like it means: the female virgins among the Midianites were to be sentenced to a life of sexual slavery. Deuteronomy 21:11 and following verses make this explicit, laying out the rules for Israelite warriors to take female captives as wives. Granted, the captive was given a month to mourn her family and could not be sold as property - but on the other hand, she was not given an opportunity to refuse this marriage offer, and the idea that she would willingly marry one of the men who had just been responsible for killing all her relatives and loved ones seems slightly far-fetched. Note also that many of these virgin females were certain to be children, and no law in the Bible says that the Israelites had to wait for their captives to reach a certain age before marrying them.

In addition, why were only the virgin females spared? Was every single non-virgin female guilty of tempting the Israelites into idolatry? And what about the male children - what did they do to deserve death?

Deuteronomy 28
In the first few verses of this chapter, God describes the many blessings and treasures he will grant the Israelites if they obey him and keep his commandments. So far, so good. But then the emphasis moves to what will happen if they do not obey:

"Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field. Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out. The Lord shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me. The Lord shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it. The Lord shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish....

Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand. The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway: So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.... Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.... Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the Lord shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.... Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the Lord bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed."

This chapter, which cannot be described as anything other than a rant, goes on and on, detailing at great length the countless horrible punishments that will ensue if the Israelites falter: cannibalism (complete with parents eating their children), plagues and pestilences, slavery, death in battle, madness, blindness, expulsion from their land, a life of constant fear, oppression and woe; in short, every sort of disaster, pain and catastrophe imaginable. And these miseries and disasters will not be doled out by God with a heavy heart, saddened by the chastisement he must inflict on the people he loves; on the contrary, he will do it gladly, and "rejoice" to destroy them (28:63). And as the coda, God says that he will do these things "because thou servedst not the Lord thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things" (28:47). Would anyone blame the Israelites for not being able to joyfully and gladly serve God after hearing in such graphic detail about the fury he will unleash upon them if they stray?

This long list of dire and terrible threats cannot possibly be reconciled with the verses that depict God as full of compassion, slow to anger, of great kindness and tender mercy. A being possessing those traits would never threaten others with the threats listed above. Can God truly be said to love people at all if he only blesses them when they obey and please him, and pours out his wrath on them as soon as they stray? True love respects the other person's choices and allows them to go their own way; it does not demand that the other party obey all your wishes absolutely, or that they return your love on pain of torture. Such a relationship is not based on love at all, but on fear, and any human being who demanded a relationship on such terms would rightly be called abusive, violent, and mentally ill.

Joshua 6:21
With the Israelites' entry into the promised land, Joshua is appointed to be Moses' successor, and duly takes charge of the campaign of genocide God has commanded against the current inhabitants of that land. The first stop on their invasion is the city of Jericho, whose walls come tumbling down when the Israelite priests blow ram's horn trumpets and shout at them. Jericho is left suddenly defenseless, and Joshua's army comes charging in. "And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword". No prisoners of war are taken, no surrenders are heeded, no civilians are allowed to live except the family of the prostitute Rahab, who aided in the conquest. Man, woman and child, the unsuspecting residents of Jericho are massacred. Even the livestock are killed, for good measure. With the destruction and slaughter complete, Joshua loots the city of all its treasure, burns the rest to the ground, and pronounces a curse upon the spot. The Israelite army then continues its systematic campaign of massacre and destruction, and city after city falls before them.

In addition to Jericho, the list of cities that Joshua completely destroyed, slaughtering every single inhabitant, includes: Ai (8:24-26), Makkedah (10:28), Libnah (10:30), Lachish (10:32), Gezer (10:33), Eglon (10:35), Hebron (10:37), Debir (10:39), Hazor (11:11), and Anab (11:21). (Ai alone had 12,000 inhabitants, according to the text.) With each city destroyed, the Bible repeats the mantra, "And Joshua smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remain". He left not a single person alive, but "utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of Israel commanded" (10:40). "Peaceful coexistence" is evidently not a phrase on God's mind. He stops the sun from going down on one occasion so Joshua has extra time to continue killing (10:12); on another occasion, he even joins in on the slaughter himself, hurling down great stones from heaven onto the Canaanites (10:11), and boasting that he killed more people than the Israelites did with their swords.

The only hitch in this campaign occurs when Achan, the son of Carmi, "took of the accursed thing" (7:1), keeping back some of the silver and gold from an earlier conquest for himself. This sin causes the Israelites to lose a battle. Fortunately, Joshua and the Israelites are able to avert God's wrath by taking Achan himself, his sons, his daughters and his livestock, stoning them all to death, then burning their bodies with fire (7:24-25). This causes their fortunes to change for the better again, at which point they resume slaughtering Canaanites. Even if Achan's sin was serious enough to merit death by torture, why did his children also have to die? The text does not tell us.

1 Samuel 6:19
Earlier in the book of 1 Samuel, a battle between the Israelites and the Philistines ends disastrously for God's chosen people: tens of thousands of Israelites are killed, and worse, the holy Ark of the Covenant, the symbol of Yahweh's promise, is stolen. However, the heathen Philistines cannot keep their hands on the Ark long: their idols crumble when it is brought near, and many men in the Philistine cities die, while many of the survivors are stricken with agonizing hemorrhoids. Finally, the Philistines decide to send the Ark back along with a "trespass offering" of five golden mice and five golden hemorrhoids, and place it on a cart pulled by two oxen, which miraculously take the shortest, straightest way back to Israel entirely by themselves.

The returning Ark arrives in the country of Bethshemesh, where the Jewish people rejoice to see it. However, in their excitement they make the fatal mistake of actually opening the Ark and looking inside.

"And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter."

According to the King James version of the Bible, 50,070 people were killed for looking into the Ark of the Covenant. Over fifty thousand! (Some translations say only 70 people were killed, such as the NIV, but even that version has a footnote admitting that only a "few" manuscripts support their translation while "most" have the KJV wording. Is this change because they recognize the moral implications here?)

To put this number in perspective, consider the most devastating act of terrorism ever committed in the United States, the tragic events of September 11, 2001. On that day, according to a New York Times article honoring the fallen, slightly more than 2,600 people lost their lives. And yet, according to the Bible, on this one occasion almost twenty times as many people died as on the day of September 11! And for what? For looking into a box! And this is detailed in a book that is called the inspired word of God!
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these people lining up for this trash are lunatics, fanatical, brainwashed idiots marching to their own demise, the gov is about to launch these dumb mass consuming mindless sheep into a dark ages police state run by black magick practitioners, this hairy POOter garbage is conditioning children for their new lifestyles in the occult New World Order
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these people lining up for this trash are lunatics, fanatical, brainwashed idiots marching to their own demise, the gov is about to launch these dumb mass consuming mindless sheep into a dark ages police state run by black magick practitioners, this hairy POOter garbage is conditioning children for their new lifestyles in the occult New World Order
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you mean like lining up at the "altar" to ask for forgiveness?
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I didn't read everything in this thread, but I'll point out that the statue she's holding is a replica of Notre Dame's infamous Gargoyle

[link to www.simonho.org]

Maybe she's a fan of Victor Hugo's Hunchback of Notre Dame?
"he who is the author of a war, lets loose the whole contagion of hell, and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death." - Thomas Paine (the crisis)
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I didn't read everything in this thread, but I'll point out that the statue she's holding is a replica of Notre Dame's infamous Gargoyle

[link to www.simonho.org]

Maybe she's a fan of Victor Hugo's Hunchback of Notre Dame?
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I bet thats satanic too in christian view. :)


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