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Cigarmakers in a panic - Pelosi Dems propose $10 per cigar tax.
Cigarmakers in a panic
The federal tax on each cigar could rise from 5 cents to $10.

By JAMES THORNER
Published July 17, 2007

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Eric Newman punches the numbers on his calculator and gapes at the results one more time.

It's no mathematical error: The federal government has proposed raising taxes on premium cigars, the kind Newman's family has been rolling for decades in Ybor City, by as much as 20,000 percent.

As part of an increase in tobacco taxes designed to pay for children's health insurance, the nickel-per-cigar tax that has ruled the industry could rise to as much as $10 per cigar.

"I'm not sure in the history of man, since our forefathers founded the country in 1776, that there's ever been a tax increase of 20,000 percent," said Newman, who runs the Tampa business founded by grandfather Julius Caesar Newman. "They had the Boston Tea Party for less than this."

When it comes to tobacco sales, cigars are just a speck compared to cigarettes. In 2006, the nearly 400-billion cigarettes sold domestically dwarfed the 5.3-billion cigars.

But cigars are intertwined with Tampa's lineage.

Though the local industry has shriveled from foreign competition and domestic consolidation, cigarmaking still employs more than 1,000 in Tampa. About 900 work at the factory, offices and warehouse of Hav-a-Tampa, owned by foreign tobacco giant Altadis.

Newman machine-makes 35,000 cigars a day at 16th Street and Columbus Avenue and imports hand-wrapped varieties from Latin America. He estimates Florida makes or imports 80 percent of the cigars consumed in the United States and predicts devastation if the new taxes are approved this summer.

Many casual smokers are well heeled enough to plunk down $10 for a premium puff. But would they pay $15 to $20 for the same pleasure?

"Why don't we just go out of business?" Newman said. "Here, you can run our company, Mr. Government."

Here's the source of the controversy: The Democrat controlled Congress has sought an extra $35-billion to $50-billion for the state children's health insurance program. The program distributes payments to the states to help buy coverage for kids not poor enough for Medicaid.

Cigarettes, which accounted for more than 95 percent of tobacco tax collections last year, are the main focus of the bill. Federal taxes on a pack would jump from 39 cents to $1.

But the legislation has dragged cigars along for the ride. The industry operates under a 4.8 cents-per-cigar tax cap.

Under the proposed bill, taxes on "large cigars," a category that includes all but the tiny cigars sold in 20 packs like cigarettes, would rise to 53 percent.

A U.S. Senate version of the bill under consideration today in the Finance Committee sets the maximum tax per cigar at $10.

"We are a very small industry. We're the fly. The cigarette industry is the elephant as far as tax collections are concerned," Newman said. "We've been roped in with conglomerates that own cigarette companies."

Newman's eyes and ears in Washington, Norm Sharp, president of the Cigar Association of America, was dumbfounded when the legislation went public Friday.

"I thought there was a typo. I thought they meant 10 cents per cigar, not $10 per cigar. I was stunned like everyone else," Sharp said.

Sharp's organization represents 66 members, including Newman, Altadis and Jacksonville's Swisher International, the global company that makes Swisher Sweets.

The association has lobbied to exclude cigars from the bill, but bristles at the public relations challenge: How do you oppose a sin tax Congress has rigged to help sick kids? Senate staffers couldn't be reached for comment.

In Newman's view other companies declined comment and left the talking to Sharp, it's not just unfair but also immoral to overtax a product enjoyed not by addicts but by worthy pleasure seekers. The average aficionado smokes about three cigars a week at about $3 to $5 apiece, according to the cigar association.

"A good wine. A good scotch. A good bourbon. A good cigar. It all enhances the quality of life," Newman said. "We're in the relaxation business."

The Bush administration may inadvertently come to the industry's aid. The president has vowed to veto the bill, not over the cigar provision but over objections to expanding federally financed health care for the non-indigent.

Several business in and around Ybor City, usually blind to the workings of Washington, will be craning their necks toward the capital.

"Things happen strangely in Washington," Newman said.

[link to www.sptimes.com]


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She's trying to hit Rush where it hurts! LOL
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She's trying to hit Rush where it hurts! LOL
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Thats the first thing I thought too. LOL

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PNACgay, you should be worried about a tax on ball gags and butt plugs.
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She's trying to hit Rush where it hurts! LOL
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I thought so too! LOL

Anyways, I toured the Hav-A-Tampa factory when I was a kid.
It was really cool. I remember this Cuban woman that looked to be about 300 years old (I was about 8) smoking a giant stogie while she hand rolled cigars. I would guess it's all automated now.
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Removed my post because I was wrong and can admit it. hf
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I would guess it's all automated now.
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Automated? I doubt it. Dennis Miller said that Cuba is about the only country on earth that can take a CAT4 direct hit and not have any property damage.

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Hmm shouldn't affect the Cohibas, Romeo and Juliets, and Montecristos outta Miami.....heh....
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I would guess it's all automated now.


Automated? I doubt it. Dennis Miller said that Cuba is about the only country on earth that can take a CAT4 direct hit and not have any property damage.

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LMAO, that's probably true, but I meant the cigar factory in Tampa.
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Hmm shouldn't affect the Cohibas, Romeo and Juliets, and Montecristos outta Miami.....heh....
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The Romeo y Juliets are my personal favorite.
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You fully Socialist Government at work. Be Proud to be a part of the USSA.
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I'm thinking its time to just impeach the entire Federal government. Executive, Legislative, and Judical branches. All of them. Time to reboot the Federal Government Operating System.
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You fully Socialist Government at work. Be Proud to be a part of the USSA.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 255950

I don't think we're fully socialist, yet. If Hillary gets elected, and the Dems maintain control of Congress, then...
ahhh
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When they hang, don't give them a last smoke. Explain that it's bad for their health.
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The underground markets are just around the corner!
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This is absolutely ridiculous.
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Try this:

STOP F$@*IN SELLING THEM !!
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Who cares, who smokes cigars?

Seriously, the ones who do have money so why cry for a 10$ bill
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You fully Socialist Government at work. Be Proud to be a part of the USSA.

I don't think we're fully socialist, yet. If Hillary gets elected, and the Dems maintain control of Congress, then...
ahhh
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Man, are you ever deluded.

We're presently a Plutocracy, headed straight for 1984 Fascist State.

But keep living your partisan dislikes and delusions, thinking that there's any difference between either side of the coin.
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Truckers smoke lots of CIGARS.They will be PISS OFF if this ever passes.
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PNACguy title: "Cigarmakers in a panic - Pelosi Dems propose $10 per cigar tax."

REAL title: "Cigarmakers in a panic. The federal tax on each cigar could rise from 5 cents to $10."

Does anyone ever expect the real story from this dishonest prick? Always fudging something. Typical neocon.
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Truckers smoke lots of CIGARS.They will be PISS OFF if this ever passes.
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I can't help it ... anytime I see the word "cigar" in a political story --- bubba and the fat girl come to mind
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Get rid of the income tax and have a flat tax... before we just have both!
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Who cares, who smokes cigars?

Seriously, the ones who do have money so why cry for a 10$ bill
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That's not really the point though. If they can levy a $10 per-cigar tax, what's next? A 20,000% increase in income tax?

It's just unreasonable. And, with "them" not listening to us, if you ask me it's getting close to "taxation without representation."

Shameful.
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PNACgay, you should be worried about a tax on ball gags and butt plugs.
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Okay, forgive me for not having read the whole thread, maybe someone else pointed this out.

You want to help sick kids, right? Sick, poor, kids.

So you tax a product that supposedly hurts health, but not kid's health, it only supposedly hurts adult's health.

SO - - why not connect the whole circle of health instead, and tax things that actually do hurt kid's health????? For instance SODA POP. A good start. A big fat tax on SODA POP to pay for poor kid's health insurance.

A big fat tax on SUGARED BREAKFAST CEREALS. A tax on SWEET BAKED GOODS, WHITE FLOUR, SUGAR, and HYDROGENATED FATS.

A tax on ARTIFICIAL SWEETENERS and FOOD ADDITIVES of all kinds.

Well you get my point, but of course anything with any kind of logic or sense to it, would never happen, so forget it.


P.S. the whole idea of the government taxing tobacco products makes me so angry that I can't see straight anyway. All I can say is, DON'T GET ME STARTED.
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The Democrats are so lost.

The United States needs reduced federal spending, not more.

All Democrats should just switch parties now and support Ron Paul.

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Okay, forgive me for not having read the whole thread, maybe someone else pointed this out.

You want to help sick kids, right? Sick, poor, kids.

So you tax a product that supposedly hurts health, but not kid's health, it only supposedly hurts adult's health.

SO - - why not connect the whole circle of health instead, and tax things that actually do hurt kid's health????? For instance SODA POP. A good start. A big fat tax on SODA POP to pay for poor kid's health insurance.

A big fat tax on SUGARED BREAKFAST CEREALS. A tax on SWEET BAKED GOODS, WHITE FLOUR, SUGAR, and HYDROGENATED FATS.

A tax on ARTIFICIAL SWEETENERS and FOOD ADDITIVES of all kinds.

Well you get my point, but of course anything with any kind of logic or sense to it, would never happen, so forget it.


P.S. the whole idea of the government taxing tobacco products makes me so angry that I can't see straight anyway. All I can say is, DON'T GET ME STARTED.
 Quoting: mercury2


Yup. I think it's going to go there. I've heard it discussed.
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The Democrats are so lost.

The United States needs reduced federal spending, not more.

All Democrats should just switch parties now and support Ron Paul.

(ex) Democrats for Ron Paul
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 173402

Yeah, useless trillion-dollar wars based on lies don't help the budget either.

BOTH sides should be supporting Ron Paul.
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PNACguy title: "Cigarmakers in a panic - Pelosi Dems propose $10 per cigar tax."

REAL title: "Cigarmakers in a panic. The federal tax on each cigar could rise from 5 cents to $10."

Does anyone ever expect the real story from this dishonest prick? Always fudging something. Typical neocon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 221107


Its a Democrat bill you fucking moron.

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