Campaign to end child marriage in the U.S. runs into some surprising opposition | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72341210 United States 11/01/2019 09:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | See, this is nonsense. Historically people married as young as 14-16. But who they married might be also 14-16 or older. In some marriages, say the teen girl wife to be is 14 and the husband is 18. Is that wrong? Defend why that is wrong. What about 19? What about 20? As marriage is a legal contract, and most states don't allow teens of a certain age to sign legal contracts, they must have a guardian who will co-sign their permission. That was the tactics for signing up as a soldier and likewise for marriage. A parent could therefore refuse to sign to prevent the marriage. Similarly, a parent could have the other party arrested for statutory rape in cases where their daughter had been seduced. That has been very muddied in some states where morality has been thrown out the window. Young people in history were considered "adults" based upon what ancestral skills they could do and thus determine maturity. Now we have 30 year olds who are less mature in terms of skills than 15 year olds who were pioneers. Then you have the medical argument. Some are too young for pregnancy and so, both the teen and offspring are at risk. Unless you define all of these aspects and more,then it's a pointless discussion. As a young person can't get any decent job without a GED, unlike history where some were apprenticed or were sheltered on farms by say the husband's parents, thus should an educational requirement be considered. That is legally problematic as there are 21 year olds lacking GEDs. Then now with the kooks, there are homosexuals, and since these are civil unions, not marriages, then what the legal ramifications is two 16 year old lesbians want to marry? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72341210 United States 11/01/2019 09:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then consider the bizarre aspects like a Muslim foreigner essentially buys a very young teen in Somalia, then wants to immigrate to America. He's 30. What has to be done legally and if the authorities say no, he claims religious and cultural discrimination. Or he then abandons the Somalian marriage contract and she therefore is in a nebulous zone where she is married by virtue of Somalia but it's not allowed in America, but then no Muslim will ever marry her. Or say the girl is Hindu and from India and is the niece of the groom as uncle-niece marriages are allowed there, which is strictly forbidden in America, as you can only marry second cousins or even more removed. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72341210 United States 11/01/2019 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is literally nothing in the US Constitution that allows the government to issue marriage licenses. Next the government will issue baptism licenses. How insane. How about friendship licenses? Nuts. Clearly a marriage is a natural right and limiting it is a violation of the Tenth Amendment. You hear child marriage and then immediately they are discussing older teens who historically were not even called teens as that term was nonexistent until 1920 and among the idle rich and not in general use until 1940. Get the government out of our bedrooms. Did you ancestors have marriage licenses? Nope. Most marriage licenses began to limit interracial marriage and that was seldom a thing in American history in any numbers. Yep,initially some pioneers guys moved to the colonies and frontier and they married Native Americans and Mexicanas but most people married people just like them. And it was not with dubious permission slips from the state governments. Heck, many areas were just US territories! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 343310 Canada 11/01/2019 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then consider the bizarre aspects like a Muslim foreigner essentially buys a very young teen in Somalia, then wants to immigrate to America. He's 30. What has to be done legally and if the authorities say no, he claims religious and cultural discrimination. Or he then abandons the Somalian marriage contract and she therefore is in a nebulous zone where she is married by virtue of Somalia but it's not allowed in America, but then no Muslim will ever marry her. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341210 Or say the girl is Hindu and from India and is the niece of the groom as uncle-niece marriages are allowed there, which is strictly forbidden in America, as you can only marry second cousins or even more removed. Then don't let them into America. You don't have change your laws to make foreigners happy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72341210 United States 11/01/2019 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We have laws. Enforce them and much of the controversy on this topic would be erased as these are manyof the offenders. |
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CSnow User ID: 74827762 United States 11/01/2019 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But he was met by opposition, surprisingly, from groups traditionally associated with the left. The ACLU Northern California chapters, along with the Children's Law Center of California, opposed the bill, claiming estimates of the scale of the problem were overblown. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73848670 "We came, we saw, she got molested (cackle, cackle)." . |
Loup Garou User ID: 31702506 United States 11/01/2019 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Right this second, we could enforce the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 and solve the preponderence of the troublemakers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341210 Grow a pair and a spine. On November 18, 1990 the 101st Congress QUIETLY repealed the McCarran Warner Act of 1952 forbidding "muslims" from holding office; members of that congress were Dick Cheney, John McCain, Joe Biden, Al Gore, John Kerry, Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer & Nancy Pelosi......see the agenda? ISLAM WAS BANNED FROM THE USA IN 1952 but the Dems don't want you to know that, nor does The Deep State respect or uphold US law. The Immigration and Nationality Act passed June 27, 1952 revised the laws relating to immigration, naturalization and nationality for the United States. That Act, which became Public Law 414, established both the law and the intent of Congress regarding the immigration of aliens to the US and remains in effect today. Among the many issues it covers, one in particular found in Chapter 2, Section 212, is the prohibition of entry in to the US if the alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by force, violence or by other unconstitutional means." This, by its very definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States but this law is being ignored by the White House. Islamic immigration to the United States would be prohibited under this law because the Koran, Sharia Law and the Hadith all require complete submission to Islam which is antithethical to the United States government, the Constitution and to the Republic. All Muslims who attest that the Koran is their life's guiding principal subscribe to submission to Islam and its form of government. Now the politically correct crowd would say that Islamists cannot be prohibited from entering the United States because Islam is a 'religion.' Whether it is a 'religion' is immaterial because the law states that aliens who are affiliated with any organization that advocates the overthrow of our government are prohibited. In Remembrance of Benghazi, Ambassador Stevens and all of those brave people who gave their life to defend our way of life Fair Use 'Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for 'fair use' for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Non-profit, educational or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use' (Education/discussion this is not a copyright infringement I simply wish to exercise my right to use it for purposes of education and criticism.) Last Edited by Loup Garou on 11/01/2019 12:44 PM Just because YOU don’t believe in the Rougarou; or the Loup Garou, don’t make you safe; No ! The Constitution is a blend of 'moral certitude' -- which is one of the reasons that criminals are determined to be rid of it and We the People must be even more determined to defend it. "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." - Thomas Paine The only thing the Illuminati fears is an independent person who can live, eat, sleep, stay warm and defend themselves separate from Federal help. Pray that the Lord gives us more time! The End is near and time is short! A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion. ~Proverbs 18:2 For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - James Keller Checkd, Keked, and Rekt! #Kids2 |
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RepublicofTexas User ID: 78125324 United States 11/01/2019 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.cbsnews.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73848670 In 87% of child marriages, the minor is a girl; 86% of the time she is marrying a legal adult. Based on these numbers, advocates argue that the vast majority of marriages with minors would otherwise constitute statutory rape. "In 38 states, what would otherwise be considered felony rape becomes completely legal once a marriage license is handed out," said Fraidy Reiss, the founder and executive director of Unchained at Last, an advocacy group dedicated to ending forced and child marriage in the United States. Sexual predators have an incentive to marry their victims in order to avoid prosecution and possible jail time. "We're creating a mockery of statutory rape laws," Reiss said. California has since amended its laws. In 2017, state Senator Jerry Hill, a Democrat, introduced legislation to ban marriage under 18 without exception. But he was met by opposition, surprisingly, from groups traditionally associated with the left. The ACLU Northern California chapters, along with the Children's Law Center of California, opposed the bill, claiming estimates of the scale of the problem were overblown. ... While there are stricter protocols for court oversight, a minor of any age can still marry in California. ACLU - Anally Conceived and Laughing at Us Make America Strong Again Make America Sexy Again I'm fukken this monkey, you just shut up and hold the tail." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78079922 United States 11/01/2019 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm conflicted on this. I think it's insane to get married so young. Young people are driven insane by their hormones, immature, & too stubborn to see it (been there, done that). I had a sweetheart as a teenager into my 20s, & nearly married her. It would have been the most ruinous mistake of my life had I gone forward with it. But, at the same time, I don't like government imposing laws on anyone. However, maybe this isn't such a bad thing. Just not sure. |
Loup Garou User ID: 31702506 United States 11/01/2019 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If a female is not old enough to go to the grocery store and purchase food for the home, bring it home and be tall enough , strong enough and wise enough to safely cook it on the stove.. then she DAMN sure isn't old enough for the sick fucks to bed. Just because YOU don’t believe in the Rougarou; or the Loup Garou, don’t make you safe; No ! The Constitution is a blend of 'moral certitude' -- which is one of the reasons that criminals are determined to be rid of it and We the People must be even more determined to defend it. "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." - Thomas Paine The only thing the Illuminati fears is an independent person who can live, eat, sleep, stay warm and defend themselves separate from Federal help. Pray that the Lord gives us more time! The End is near and time is short! A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion. ~Proverbs 18:2 For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - James Keller Checkd, Keked, and Rekt! #Kids2 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78079922 United States 11/01/2019 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From OP's post, it sounds like this law is to stop teens from marrying in general (under age 18). I don't see how this is an issue of underage people marrying overage people (unless I'm missing something here). Separate issue. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72341210 United States 11/01/2019 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Right this second, we could enforce the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 and solve the preponderence of the troublemakers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341210 Grow a pair and a spine. On November 18, 1990 the 101st Congress QUIETLY repealed the McCarran Warner Act of 1952 forbidding "muslims" from holding office; members of that congress were Dick Cheney, John McCain, Joe Biden, Al Gore, John Kerry, Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer & Nancy Pelosi......see the agenda? ISLAM WAS BANNED FROM THE USA IN 1952 but the Dems don't want you to know that, nor does The Deep State respect or uphold US law. The Immigration and Nationality Act passed June 27, 1952 revised the laws relating to immigration, naturalization and nationality for the United States. That Act, which became Public Law 414, established both the law and the intent of Congress regarding the immigration of aliens to the US and remains in effect today. Among the many issues it covers, one in particular found in Chapter 2, Section 212, is the prohibition of entry in to the US if the alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by force, violence or by other unconstitutional means." This, by its very definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States but this law is being ignored by the White House. Islamic immigration to the United States would be prohibited under this law because the Koran, Sharia Law and the Hadith all require complete submission to Islam which is antithethical to the United States government, the Constitution and to the Republic. All Muslims who attest that the Koran is their life's guiding principal subscribe to submission to Islam and its form of government. Now the politically correct crowd would say that Islamists cannot be prohibited from entering the United States because Islam is a 'religion.' Whether it is a 'religion' is immaterial because the law states that aliens who are affiliated with any organization that advocates the overthrow of our government are prohibited. In Remembrance of Benghazi, Ambassador Stevens and all of those brave people who gave their life to defend our way of life :FairUSE: Fair Use 'Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for 'fair use' for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Non-profit, educational or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use' (Education/discussion this is not a copyright infringement I simply wish to exercise my right to use it for purposes of education and criticism.) What president signed that into US Law? |
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wisconsin User ID: 78128008 United States 11/01/2019 12:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | US LAW FORBIDS Muslims in America. Did you know that? Did you know being a Communist is illegal in the USA? Did you know that Ike threw out illegals from Mexico? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341210 We have laws. Enforce them and much of the controversy on this topic would be erased as these are manyof the offenders. . ... interesting ... got a source for that? ... . ... as far as I see EVERY RELIGION is given entrance in the usofa ... NOT A RELIGION is denied to my knowledge and OBSERVATION ... . . Our family celebrates The Lord's Feasts: [link to www.grafted-promise.net] Fools and the dead don't change their minds. Fools won't and the dead can't. When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You are only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Quoting: CountryWise Amos 5:13 - Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time. |
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~Jazz~ Forum Administrator 11/01/2019 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Islam literally embraces child brides. Demonrats embrace Islam. Obuttfuck said it loud and clear for all to hear but nobody listened: "We are no longer a Christian nation." To know where your heart is, look where your mind goes when it wanders. A rock in bad hands killed Abel. A rock in good hands killed Goliath. It isn't about the rock. A true warrior fights not because he hates the one in front of him, but because he loves those behind him. INTP-A |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72341210 United States 11/01/2019 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | US LAW FORBIDS Muslims in America. Did you know that? Did you know being a Communist is illegal in the USA? Did you know that Ike threw out illegals from Mexico? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341210 We have laws. Enforce them and much of the controversy on this topic would be erased as these are manyof the offenders. . ... interesting ... got a source for that? ... . ... as far as I see EVERY RELIGION is given entrance in the usofa ... NOT A RELIGION is denied to my knowledge and OBSERVATION ... . Scroll back and read. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72341210 United States 11/01/2019 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is used in cases of impairment by multiple means to prevent such contracts. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72341210 United States 11/01/2019 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Example: All states allow individuals to marry once they reach the age of majority, which is 18 in most of the country. Illinois marriage age requirements are set at 18 for couples without parental consent, and 16 for those with consent. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78129360 Costa Rica 11/01/2019 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Check your existing state laws, as I bet that most severely already restrict young teens from marrying adults WITHOUT parental consent. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341210 Thus the hubbub is nonsense. Parental consent? So the pedos can pay off the parents? There's no way an underage girl or boy for that matter knows what they want when it comes to love. All of us know how much our idea of love changed from the teen years to the middle twenties. this is a type of enslavement. A Pedophile is a fucking pedophile whether they're married to the minor or not. |
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RepublicofTexas User ID: 78125324 United States 11/01/2019 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread hijacked by a sico pedo perv and you guys let get away with it.? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78113724 Our views are pretty evident, and arguing with a mentally ill troll will not convert them. It is a waste of energy. Personally, they should be doxxed so they are relegated to the shadows of society lest they get their due. Make America Strong Again Make America Sexy Again I'm fukken this monkey, you just shut up and hold the tail." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72341210 United States 11/01/2019 01:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Check your existing state laws, as I bet that most severely already restrict young teens from marrying adults WITHOUT parental consent. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341210 Thus the hubbub is nonsense. Parental consent? So the pedos can pay off the parents? There's no way an underage girl or boy for that matter knows what they want when it comes to love. All of us know how much our idea of love changed from the teen years to the middle twenties. this is a type of enslavement. A Pedophile is a fucking pedophile whether they're married to the minor or not. You see the nonsense? You are arguing a strawman. I'm talking about a 16 year old marrying a 16 old and with her parent's permission, you sick bozo. |
Rosicrucian1 User ID: 77984445 Canada 11/01/2019 01:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then consider the bizarre aspects like a Muslim foreigner essentially buys a very young teen in Somalia, then wants to immigrate to America. He's 30. What has to be done legally and if the authorities say no, he claims religious and cultural discrimination. Or he then abandons the Somalian marriage contract and she therefore is in a nebulous zone where she is married by virtue of Somalia but it's not allowed in America, but then no Muslim will ever marry her. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341210 Or say the girl is Hindu and from India and is the niece of the groom as uncle-niece marriages are allowed there, which is strictly forbidden in America, as you can only marry second cousins or even more removed. Then don't let them into America. You don't have change your laws to make foreigners happy. this, they are invaders and often illegals they have no rights here. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72341210 United States 11/01/2019 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This law is about busybodies who want the government interfering with the sacrament of holy marriage in the church of Jesus Christ. Do this. Look up when your marriage laws were created in your state. It wasnot from inception. |
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