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How to finish spiritual search?

 
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your first spiritual experience is conviction of sin
and it's definitely not pleasant
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wrong. my first spiritual experience was one of being/belonging...and it was quite pleasant.
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and if you'd like to know...my second spiritual experience was also one of being/belonging...and was pleasant.

my third spiritual experience was also one of being/belonging...and was pleasant.

see the reasoning behind wanting more of the same?
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kind of like it goes on and on and on and...on.
astral projection type? portal?
death only destroys the physical body but not the who of you or what you are...whom maybe?

what if you know there is more...so much more but you don't have peace here?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 175734

Well... "knowing" of more beautiful places may not always be the same as "what actually exists" there in the afterlife. The human imagination can create all types of things and most of them are probably related to past-life memories or simple images programmed into your subconscious from this earth-bound existence since you were a child. You can't be too sure of anything when it comes to this. The paradox is very...well...paradoxical.

In my opinion, learning to love this planet in the meantime and figuring out specific ways or techniques (no matter what it takes, get it done) to become happy with your self-inflicted situation, is extremely important for progressing in the other planes. Possibly even synonymous with "how far you will reach" in the ethereal dimensions. It's also vital to make sure your body is functioning at peak levels by the time you decide to leave.

self-inflicted = something you may feel has always been beyond your control and cannot be changed no matter what you try here.

My advice would be to live the rest of your life trying to achieve unconditional freedom in the physical, so at least you will have a better outlook when its time to ascend. If you cannot, then I really don't know what to tell you.
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your first spiritual experience is conviction of sin
and it's definitely not pleasant

wrong. my first spiritual experience was one of being/belonging...and it was quite pleasant.
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so, you never felt convicted of sin?
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Maybe you should try putting all that energy you have into creating something. Like music, visual arts, dance, films, etc . . . .

I like to walk the spiritual path also and it feel wonderful when I'm going in the right direction. But I feel empty if I'm not doing something I love in the meantime. I'm a visual artist and I also write my own music and sing. It's my life. I love trying to create the beauty that I see and feel all around me.
Dreams will begin as they fade into chaos.
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and if you'd like to know...my second spiritual experience was also one of being/belonging...and was pleasant.

my third spiritual experience was also one of being/belonging...and was pleasant.

see the reasoning behind wanting more of the same?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 175734

if it was normal to feel "belonging"
you wouldn't have noticed that feeling
so, you must have been feeling separated from God before that
and sin produces separation
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and if you'd like to know...my second spiritual experience was also one of being/belonging...and was pleasant.

my third spiritual experience was also one of being/belonging...and was pleasant.

see the reasoning behind wanting more of the same?
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if you know you are accepted by God
you are
whether you feel like it or not
edgar celadus
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Maybe you should try putting all that energy you have into creating something. Like music, visual arts, dance, films, etc . . . .

I like to walk the spiritual path also and it feel wonderful when I'm going in the right direction. But I feel empty if I'm not doing something I love in the meantime. I'm a visual artist and I also write my own music and sing. It's my life. I love trying to create the beauty that I see and feel all around me.
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Because you're a Taurus lol (the same as myself). They supposedly have this unique "harmony" connection with planet earth. Do you really think that every living soul can function the same way or has the talent capacity of others? Impossible. Although most people highly underestimate themselves, some others are like Indigo children.
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so, you never felt convicted of sin?
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in truth...no...especially not at the time. the only time i felt "guilt" was when i saw (literally...you don't have to believe it)...my life as a movie (at ten)...bit by bit (but very quickly as though a movie)...and realized what my intentions did to or what affect what i did...had on another. from that...i've seriously tried to really think ahead of doing anything...so as to see an intent behind things.

but i do not go around feeling "convicted" of anything.
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Maybe you should try putting all that energy you have into creating something. Like music, visual arts, dance, films, etc . . . .

I like to walk the spiritual path also and it feel wonderful when I'm going in the right direction. But I feel empty if I'm not doing something I love in the meantime. I'm a visual artist and I also write my own music and sing. It's my life. I love trying to create the beauty that I see and feel all around me.

Because you're a Taurus lol (the same as myself). They supposedly have this unique "harmony" connection with planet earth. Do you really think that every living soul can function the same way or has the talent capacity of others? Impossible. Although most people highly underestimate themselves, some others are like Indigo children.
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No, I don't think people can do the same things I can. But, I guess my point is maybe he could follow his passion. Like if he was into astronomy or physics. Or maybe even dancing or fishing. Life becomes depressing, tiring, and monotonous if a person can't do what they love.

Every person does have a passion of some sort.

Besides, I never said I was good at what I do. I'm not a great artist and I'm not the best songwriter/singer in the world. But I do what I love and that's what's important.
Dreams will begin as they fade into chaos.
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if you know you are accepted by God
you are
whether you feel like it or not
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all i know is that i am a part of all that is. it's not based on a "feeling" as they can change. it's based on a known that i know but can't explain.
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I'm not a great artist and I'm not the best songwriter/singer in the world. But I do what I love and that's what's important.
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when was the last time i told you that you are a blessing? you are.
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I've had the same thoughts on occasion; not that I wanted to unlearn anything, but more the realization that "I can never go home again", metaphorically speaking of course :P

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that you have to find a way to deal with it and move forwards, not backwards. You can't go back to blissful ignorance and forget what you know any more than you can unlearn how to speak English. Perhaps just realizing that you'll never find "it" from reading or thinking about it is a good first step, and then just take it from there.

Whatever you do, it should be practical from now on... that kind of puts the whole overwhelming theoretical aspect of it back to a more subconscious level.
 Quoting: Sol Invictus 274817


>>You can't go back to blissful ignorance...<<
>>that kind of puts the whole overwhelming theoretical aspect of it back to a more subconscious level.<<

forgive my lack of logical acumen but is this not a contradiction ?

(lol, still working on a response, had a terminal attack of shyness, nice to see you, xo)

:D
In the gap between your thoughts shines something far brighter than the sun, more profound than all of the universe...and too beautiful to even imagine
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It's a lifelong journey that is meant to undo the ego and requires lots of discipline. It's not about getting high from spiritual energy, and really is more about undoing the selfish ego and changing one's thoughts then it is about exploring the astral realm or things of that nature.

The two books in my sig are really the only two books you need... I can say this confidently after reading over 10 different books from 4 different authors. (excluding books not focused on non-duality)

The bottom line.. forgive anything, and everything, both external and internal, that isn't the truth of your nature.. that you are of the Holy Spirit... and don't make the mistake of running away from your unconsious guilt... face it.. realize that errors in miscreation can't hurt you...

enjoy the journey.
edgar celadus
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Also I recommend reading The Holograhic Universe, it will help give you clearer explanations of why you remember specific things in your mind and images that come out of nowhere and seem foreign to your earth-awareness.

It has been out for almost 20 years now, but it's still one of my favorite books. you can probably even find it for free now as an e-book on the internet.
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I am sick and tired of my spiritual search. How do I finish it? I want to get rid of everything I know. Any of you in similar situation?
 Quoting: eScrew

Since I am one of those 'cheap members' I can't PM you, so this is what I would have said in that. I assume some of that search included Scripture. If you come to the same conclusions as is 'mainstream' then your 'search' hasn't even really began.
The Bible is a very vivid portrayal of things past and future.
That is the first book I picked up after this happened, about 20 years ago. I'm not tired of that book but I am tired of how misunderstood it is compared to what it says if just read with the simplistic meaning applied to most verses.

Anyway, this convinced me much more than anything I had read (at that time) that there is 'something more'.

This happened in 1988 when I was going through a divorce and I was finding to hard to seperate the lies from the truth. This was an intentional prayer, I was awake before and fully awake after. I wrote this out just a few years ago but seldom post it.

I started of with the Lord's Prayer and just as I was about to start my plea I got a vision that I was outside my body and saw myself, from the back and above, in a kneeling position with a mist a very short distance in front of me that obscured any further view.
I heard myself say "Master, I don't feel so good." A large hand came out of the mist and completely enclosed my body. This happened in a 'twinkling of an eye', I found myself enclosed in this hand and it scared me to no end because I struggled to be free of it's grasp but found I could move not even one little bit. This feeling of being scared lasted only for the briefest of moments.
What replaced it was the most peaceful feeling I have ever experienced, bar none, and to be quite truthful have not experienced that 'level' of peace since.
As soon as this wave of peace (meaning I was in the company of someone who cared for me much more than my words will ever be able to describe)) overcame me the hand loosed it 'grip' on me and it opened and I found myself sitting on this palm facing the ends of the fingers and seeing further forward than that.
In front was a hallway, very tall and the walls were black. The walls were not smooth, but rather, had many indentations and sharp corners at these indentations. There was a faint light at each of these
'corners' and that was the only way I could tell the walls were not smooth, the rest was pitch black, I could see neither floor nor ceiling, only these faint corners.
We were moving down this hallway at a liesurley rate and as I was feeling very 'relaxed' I was going to change my sitting position so I had my hands behind my back and then I could lean back and rest on them. As I was leaning back one hand seemed to miss the expected surface that would support it and I ended up rolling to one side. I looked back to see what had 'gone wrong' and I observed a great hole in the palm of this hand. I imediately burst into tears and said with alarm "You've been hurt!"
I heard not a word but my tears left me and I spent the next few moments crawling around the hand, much like I did on the school-ground equipment when I was a small child.
This hallway had corners in addition to the indentations in that it was not straight as we have halls. We came around one corner and off to the right I could see a faint glow of light some distance down this other smaller hallway.
I asked "What's down there?" A voice (rather deep but very 'soothing') answered "You're not ready for this, but I will show you."
Off we went down this other hallway going around gently curving corners and the light got brighter with each corner we passed. In very short order we came out on a dusty,earthen path and I could see a sky. This path was rather narrow, enough width for one small car, and had grass growing on either edge.
On the grass to the left there were several rabbits hopping around, a few bounds then they would stop and nibble the grass, a few more bounds, another nibble. Our presence did not disturb them in the least.
Just behind the rabbits, only a few yards from the path, was what I would best describe would be a three-wire barbed fence, not in the best of repair as the wire sagged a bit between the posts and none of the posts stood up properly but were tilted a bit at various angles.
A bit of distance from this was another fence made of planking, much like you would find around any farm that kept horses or cows, and behind were some farm buildings, house and small barn made of the same wood as the plank fence.
All the wood was very weathered but the condition of the buildings and fence would not warrant paint as this would be a waste because of their condition.
As I looked over at this scene I noticed several dogs in the yard. There was much running and yelping and much dust from all this activity. I could not determine if this activity was caused by our presence or not and if, in fact, the dogs were playing or it was a somewhat more serious matter they were involved in. The circles they made were small and done in quick fashion so in the short time I observed them they completed many circles.
The path we were on also had the gentle twists and turns like the hallways we had just came from did. We continued down this dusty path and came around another corner and came to a stop. The path ended here and was replaced by a large open space covered in lush grass, a short distance from us I could see gently rolling hill. I could see far enough to see three or four 'rows' of these hills, one behind the other. Very beautiful and serine but what was most astounding about these hills was that they were completely covered by people, standing so closely together that not one more person could have stood with them. There was a small open space between where the path ended and this large crowd stood, which is how I knew the grass was so lush.
On this grass, about midway between the end of the path and where the crowd started stood two people, one man, one woman. As remarkable as this whole scene was I was still even more astounded to see not one strand of hair on any of their heads, not one anywhere.
The two in front spoke no words but it was quite plain they were pleased to see 'Him'. No words were spoken to any from 'Him' either.
We turned and went back from where we had came. Back into the little hallway till we turned left at the larger one.
We continued down this for some distance until we came to a doorway that was on our left.
I heard a voice say "This is a safe place for you."
The door opened and I went inside to a circular room about 50 steps in width. The room was decorated in many shades of brown and the 'outer wall' had shelves that went way round all filled with books. The middle had furnishings that matched the colors of the bookcases.
The door closed and I was alone.
I stood for a moment and went to the door and opened it just a crack. What I felt was sheer terror, and quickly reclosed the door and felt the terror was gone, as long as the door remained closed.
What was outside was not only terror but evil in that it had nothing good planned for me should I be foolish enough to open my door and go into the passage on my own.
I woke up at point.
It never happened again with this intensity.

So while you want to abandon any hope of something like this happening I dearly await the return of this on a permanent basis. That it hasn't happened yet is a minor concern at best. If it is any help sometimes things have be be 'bad for you' before they get better. The liars in my life never left but I never once felt anything close to being 'alone' and surrounded by the enemy, ever, from that very moment.

No riches, no glory, just peace of mind and a grandson that I have raised alone since that time. That is the reason they are still in my life, for his sake not mine. The last 20 years have been a blast.
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>>You can't go back to blissful ignorance...<<
>>that kind of puts the whole overwhelming theoretical aspect of it back to a more subconscious level.<<

forgive my lack of logical acumen but is this not a contradiction ?

(lol, still working on a response, had a terminal attack of shyness, nice to see you, xo)

:D
 Quoting: Celador


Haha, perhaps, but it would depend on the definition of ignorance vs subconscious, and whether they're synonymous, I suppose...

Even though I more or less stopped reading "spiritual" sites and books a few years ago, it's still a part of who I am and has changed the way I think and act / re-act... but it's all semantics of course, before the "search" certainly hasn't ended for me, I just kind of concluded that "it" wasn't to be found in books or internet sites, etc - not beyond the critical first steps at least.

Lol, and take your time - it took me a while to write you as well, after all :)
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All religions believe in what goes around comes around, just not in those words. From the natural flow (tao) to hard-core extremist christian/judea/muslim ------- endless list.

It's known to me that some of the better known spiritual teachers/students studied several different religions.

It's known to most a holy war has been heating the earth since man fell. It's Pure vs. Evil. Positive vs. Negative Good vs. Bad ---long preverbial list... Depends on your mindset and geographical area you were raised in.
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before the "search" certainly hasn't ended for me, I just kind of concluded that "it" wasn't to be found in books or internet sites, etc - not beyond the critical first steps at least.

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; )



It always was with in.
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I am sick and tired of my spiritual search. How do I finish it? I want to get rid of everything I know. Any of you in similar situation?
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No.

Try starting in the right place. Where the pineal gland is.
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I am sick and tired of my spiritual search. How do I finish it? I want to get rid of everything I know. Any of you in similar situation?
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it is simple, ask questions, inside, and listen to the answers, ask more questions, till your satisfaction is complete.
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I am sick and tired of my spiritual search. How do I finish it? I want to get rid of everything I know. Any of you in similar situation?


it is simple, ask questions, inside, and listen to the answers, ask more questions, till your satisfaction is complete.
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allow to channeling through your inner voice to take place, trust it

it can take some practice

there are many beings, many representations of one. you will always get EXACTLY what you are asking for, the universe is VERY PRECISE, therefore you may have to face your own HONESTY. and you will be purified in honesty of communications.

the 5th chakra is that of speech, both outer and inner, the 5th dimension, blaupunkt, blueishness, higher creation, protection, the level which mankind is moving through en masse right now, also it is the centre you rest in when you are dreaming
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Thread: Earth is not a planet it's a flat dimension that can be infinetly extended. Moon + Sun + Stars = portals
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I decided to become the most famous Internet Clown. The market for this service is booming. Soon I will be rich and famous. I already created many funny jokes that people can benefit from. I bet that my jokes even saved few lifes because laughing is forcing us to live longer. I changed a life of many people who were not laughing, but started laughing becouse of my jokes. I healed myself when I wrote my jokes. I achieved great success with my jokes becouse thousands of people around the world a laughing at my jokes. I am enjoying my life and contributing usefull jokes to this world. It's good to be me!
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Paper money is a debt obligation written by a stranger. This stranger has alot of power and it is really strange. The stranger convinced the society that these debt obligations hold great value which is very strange. Our society is very strange. Do I need debt obligations written by a stranger? If I say yes it will be very strange.

Do I need gold? Why would I need gold? What is better gold or wood? I can make a house out of wood but can I make a house out of gold? If I lived near a golden forest I would probably use gold to make a house. Untill I find a golden forest I will stick with wood. Let's return to the original question do I need gold? Can I eat gold?

Helping people is good. But how can I help people if they don't ask me for help? There are many problems in the world. Did I create them? Why should I try solving your problem and alter the natural course of events? The one who created the problem will eventually solve it. Why should I deny you the chance to solve your own problem? Do I have a problem? After writing this article I don't have any problems!
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