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THE GOD OF FORCES/FORTRESSES DANIEL 11:36-38 – WHO IS HE?

 
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OT has been fulfilled already, that would of course include Daniel's prophecies.
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I see. So which historical events was Daniel writing about?
Please pray for me: I used to be a Good Christian™, until I got a hold of some kind of fruity "love" bullshit and decided I need to be less harsh on people.
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So who is the god of forces. One thing is clear, in the arena of idolatry, he’s a relatively ‘Johnny-come-lately”.

The Encyclopedia Britannica describes Islam as being formally institutionalized in 666 A.D. Interesting date.

 Quoting: ROSH CHODESH 273183


Well let me start by saying fuck you. A ‘Johnny-come-lately” is not involved in the final years, rather than me do your homework for you go and find all the verses in Daniel that speak of the last kingdom before Christ. Christ's enemy is no some ‘Johnny-come-lately”, it is the same that was in the Garden of Eden, one bruise is past, one is still coming.


Ezr;2;13:
The children of Adonikam,
six hundred sixty and six.

Once you understand their relationship with GOD, who were they?

The kings daughter of Da;11 is also the harlot of Revelation. Tell me truly, who plotted Jesus's death? His own people (wayward at the time) or Rome (the occupier of Jerusalem at the time).
You really should search Scripture before going onto other materials if you are really looking for some kind of answers.

Islam is still closer to GOD the those who plotted His death,even if it was a prophecy that needed to be confirmed, stoning Stephen more than confirmed how much GOD would protect OT jews during Satan's time to come. Don't forget the 30 pieces of silver went to a Satan possessed person.
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If you can control all the forces you win. The god of Forces can. he says, may the Force be with you. he has been working through all history to get the beast on the throne. When he succeeds, of course the beast will worship him. his use of Forces obviously worked.

Except for that nasty stone that comes rolling down off the mountain! That mean old stone. All God's chillern got stones!

Yee Hah! 5ai
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The Pope is an Antichrist and his "God of Fortresses" that he worships is the Virgin Madonna.

She is known as

Ishtar, Isis, Ashtoreth, Astarte, Cybele, Artemis...and now "Mary"

check out this Image of the fertility god "Cybele" know as the goddess of fortifications look at her crown. It is a structure.

[link to www.inanna.virtualave.net]

Rome instituted Cybele worship from Turkey.

All the above goddesses are known as "The Queen of Heaven"


thats why the word states...
Isaiah 47
5Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms.

6I was wroth with my people, I have polluted mine inheritance, and given them into thine hand: thou didst shew them no mercy; upon the ancient hast thou very heavily laid thy yoke.

7And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever: so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart, neither didst remember the latter end of it.


Revelation 18
7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
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The True God Of Catholicism:

The God Of Fortresses

Perhaps we might begin with the title, "God of Fortresses," and where this god received its name. Even, more importantly, what is implied by the title. Consequently, an important note to consider at this point, is the fact that most all modern translations of the Hebrew text regarding the strange god mentioned in Daniel 11:38, refer to the deity as "a" god of fortresses but, the correct rendering is "the" god of fortresses. The seemingly unimportant fact that the article "a" is used instead of "the," is indeed of great importance. I believe the intent of the verse is meant to convey that this god was "THE" god worshipped time and time again, not "a" god, which would, perhaps, infer one of many. "The god of fortresses," as used, an idol (#433, #410); the Israelites knew of her well, as did most of the pagan world. The following are some excerpts from an article by Mr. Stearman (Prophecy In The News), to whom I owe a debt of gratitude.


"Ishtar, Goddess of the Tower, the goddess, or "Mother of Harlots," as she is called in Revelation 17:5, is found throughout scripture. She is the Canaanite Ashtoreth, the "Queen of Heaven" in Jeremiah 7:18, and the Diana of the Ephesians" of Acts 19:28. Though her identity changes, her purpose never does. She is the great "virgin queen" who gives birth to an immortal redeemer. In short, she is Satan’s counterfeit of the Bible’s redemption story.

The Babylonian Semiramis, under the name of Astarte, was known as "the tower goddess." Alexander Hislop, writing in "The Two Babylons," notes, "Now, no name could more exactly picture forth the character of Semiramis, as the queen of Babylon, than the name of "Asht-tart," for that just means ‘The woman that made towers.’ Thus, in the Hebrew, this is the meaning of the goddess Ashtoreth.

Elsewhere, commenting on the Greek (where "tart" becomes "turis") he adds, "Turis is just the Greek form of Turit, the final t, according to the genius of the Greek language, being converted into s. Ash-turit, then, which is obviously the same as the Hebrew ‘Ashtoreth,’ is just ‘The woman that made the ‘encompassing wall’."

She was the ancient goddess of "towers" or "surrounding fortifications." Mr. Hislop cites instances from ancient Greek history in which citizens appealed to the goddess to protect their city when it was under threat. It is especially interesting that ancient statuettes of the goddess were cast with the figure of a tower upon their heads. They were tower goddesses or goddesses of the fortress, to whom was attributed the power to protect a city or an empire.

In the Greek, she was known as Artemis, but in reality, was none other than Ashtoreth or Astarte. As recorded in Acts chapter 19, Paul threatened the livelihood of the guild of silversmiths. They cast souvenir goddesses from silver to be purchased by the faithful who made pilgrimages to her temple. More than that, she was their protector goddess. Paul’s gospel preaching threatened to overturn their worship…and their business.

Of great interest is that the ancient goddess from the land of Shinar was considered to be the chief protector (defender) of the empire. The Roman Diana, was considered just as powerful an image as any of her predecessors.

But in the centuries following the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, she faded into obscurity, and was considered as good as dead. But today, with the massive New Age resurgence of pagan superstition, she is springing back to life. Millions are once again calling for the protection of the goddess.

It is most interesting then, to observe what may be an obscure reference to the tower-goddess in Daniel 11:38.

This is the well-known prophecy of the antichrist- the willful king who rises out of the memory of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, the infamous model of the antichrist. Daniel’s prophecy points to the antichrist’s worship: "But in his estate, shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things."

Here, the antichrist, is shown offering gifts to an image called the "God of forces." Using the original Hebrew text, some Jewish expositors translate this verse, "But he will honor the god of the fortress in his place; and a god whom his ancestors knew not, he will honor with gold, silver, precious stones, and desirable things."

The word "fortress" is from maozim, meaning "fortresses." The same word is used in verse 39: "Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain."

In the Hebrew, this sentence literally begins, "He will develop strong fortresses with a strange god…" Again the word Maozim is used. This is the standard word for "fortress." Even the Jewish Temple was referred to as a fortress. In Daniel 11:31, we find the phrase, "the sanctuary of strength," that used the same Hebrew word (maoz, in the singular) to imply that the Temple is an impregnable stronghold.

The point is clear. The antichrist’s god will be the god of the fortress. Throughout history, the leading example of the fortress god is none other than Ishtar/Ashtoreth/Astarte, also known in certain contemporary circles as "Ashtar."

Thus, in II Thessalonians 2:9, the antichrist is shown being revealed, "…after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders." The awakening worship of Baal and Ishtar will leap into the public consciousness once more, amazing those who thought that this pagan worship had died forever.

This corresponds to Daniel 11:36, where we read, "And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done."

In Hebrew, the word "marvelous" is nephloot. It is a word that bespeaks something wonderful, admirable or miraculous. It even suggests the fantastic and wondrous – that which is unfathomable to the rational mind, would see it as a wonder or a mystery.

The stage has been set for Ashtar. The man of sin will have no trouble at all voicing the wonders of the gods from on high. Can there any longer be any doubt about the real power behind the antichrist?"

Also, there can be no doubt that the present Pope John Paul II, worships and is totally committed to the god of fortresses as described here. His deep devotion is reflected even in his vestments worn, which so often have the letter "M" embroidered upon them. Even the papal crest is tailored to give "her" glory. The upper left side of the shield is the papal shield and crest, and upon the shield appears a cross. Tammuz? Offset upon the lower right side of the shield, leaving the right lower corner, which is the larger portion of the three corners, is a very large "M" that stands for "Mary." Also, it is his yearly ritual to make pilgrimages to Fatima in honor to her. Along with that, he is quoted as crediting her with the saving of his life. His famous motto has truly become synonymous with him; "Totus Tuus" (totally yours).

Quoting from "The Keys of This Blood," by Malachi Martin, page 493:

"….John Paul is following a timetable he asserts has been established in Heaven; and he fully presumes that what he does and they do will succeed only if it conforms to the foretold sequence of historical events he confidently ascribes to a woman he, along with other millions, venerates under the symbol of her "heart" (emphasis mine) – they call it the Immaculately Sinless Heart of Mary."
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"For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John." Matt 11:13

Allah came a bit later.


OT has been fulfilled already, that would of course include Daniel's prophecies.
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WRONG. Much of the latter part of Daniel's prophecies were future prophecies; the Angel Gabriel told Daniel he would be long dead and buried before they came to pass. Compare with the Book of Revelation; they match and mirror one another.
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Greetings all;

Many, if not most biblical scholars apply the following passages to the antichrist: Daniel 11:36 " Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. 37 "He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. 38 "But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. 39 "Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain. 40 " At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; a,,,”

First a rabbit trail. Some teach that the book of Daniel was penned circa 150-160 B.C., it was not. The Talmud and other sources, indicate that the Jewish priestly leadership and amanuenses met with Alexander the great (330-333 B.C.) and showed him the prophesies of Daniel regarding him, thus sparing Jerusalem devastation from him.

Now back to Daniel. At the time of the end someone would arise who worships a god heretofore unknown. This eliminates quite a field of possibilities. It eliminates Dagon, Marduk, Molech, Chemosh, and a batch of ba'als.

So who is the god of forces. One thing is clear, in the arena of idolatry, he’s a relatively ‘Johnny-come-lately”.

The Encyclopedia Britannica describes Islam as being formally institutionalized in 666 A.D. Interesting date. Everyone is aware of cycles of time within cycles of time and so on. 7 days to a week, 7 weeks from the end of Passover week to the Feast of Weeks (Shavuot – Pentecost). The 7th month starts with Yom HaTeruah and commences the harvest. Every 7th year the land was to lie fallow for a sabbatical rest. 7 bundles of 7-year stretches initiated the Jubilee year. 70 years was the duration of the Babylonian exile. 7 x 70 = 490 is the time: NIV Daniel 9:24 "Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin [*** sin is still with humanity, it has not yet to this day been eradicated, so this prophecy is still ticking], to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.

In the milieu of evil, there too can be seen some isochronality. In 666, a religion is initiated which now claims approximately 2,000,000,000 adherents. More on this below.
In the decades surrounding 555 x 2 = 1332 A.D. the Black Death hit Asia, Europe, and Africa, taking out 25-30% of all the aforementioned populations.
666 x 3 = 1998. Since the early 1970’s there has been exponential rises in evil in virtually all categories
From the time of the bellicose campaigns of Napoleon through the 20th century, the number of deaths and casualties of war has ballooned from thousands to dozens of millions. And most of these most lethal conflicts were not “religious” wars or started over religion, secular reasons has prompted more deaths than all the religious wars and inquisitions combined. If anyone doubts this, that person is invited to do a little of their own research and read the stats.

Back to the establishment of Islam. Not too long after it’s founding it split into Shiite and Sunni. The important point is just who is Allah?

Professedly, Allah is the Islamic name for the Supreme Being. The Koran, the holy book of Islam, asserts that Allah is the creator and the one who rewards and punishes; that he is unique and can only be one [the banner on the Al Aksa Mosque in Jerusalem insists Allah has no son. That disqualifies him from being Yehovah]; and that he is eternal, omniscient, omnipotent, and all merciful. The core of Islam is submission to the will of Allah. Islam does not admit of any mediator between Allah and humans; a person approaches Allah directly in prayer and in reciting the Koran. The prophets, who conveyed Allah's message, are not considered divine. The “star and crescent” link him to some celestial moon deity conjured up by nomadic tribesmen circa the 6th century A.D.

Demonstrably, Islam is associated with personal and frequent utilization of AK-47’s, suicide bombers and now the rush for the acquisition and avowed use of atomic weaponry.

One seldom hears of a Jewish suicide bomber, and if there were the case, the anti-Semitic media would blast it all around the world for days on end.

Suicide bombers are infected with a demon of suicide, which drives them to do what they do. The problem is flesh perishes, spirits do not. The spirit of suicides steps out of the explosive havoc only to enter another person who has been prepped in advance to do the dastardly deed. Islam has not failed to produce a crop of teenagers every year for this purpose. Ironically, things listed in a column titled “Things worth dying for” can very often be found under the column titled “Things worth living for”. This explains the seemingly endless supply of suicide bombers employed by Ha-mass and Hez-b’Allah – “the party of Allah”. If and when the instructors of suicide bombers learn to love their children, and the children of other people more than they love doing their vile work, maybe the insanity will cease. It is evident that the world will not have peace until the Sar Shalom (Prince of Peace) returns.

It seems that the odds-on favorite candidate for the “god unknown to his fathers”, the god of forces is allah.

Y’va-reh-cha-cha Ah-doe-nigh v’yeesh-m’reh-cha, Ya-air Ah-doe-nigh, pa-navh ay-leh-cha vee-choo-neh-ka, Yee-sa Ah-doe-nigh pa-nahv al-leh-cha ve-ya-sem l’cha Shalom. (Numbers 6:24-26). The Lord bless you and keep you, The Lord make His face shine upon you and be gracious unto you, The Lord lift up His countenance upon you and give you peace.

Rosh Chodesh.
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KING HEROD.
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"For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John." Matt 11:13

Allah came a bit later.


OT has been fulfilled already, that would of course include Daniel's prophecies.

WRONG. Much of the latter part of Daniel's prophecies were future prophecies; the Angel Gabriel told Daniel he would be long dead and buried before they came to pass. Compare with the Book of Revelation; they match and mirror one another.
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You are correct. The old testament still has some outstanding accounts to square away..

mainly the dealing with the Virgin of Babylon...the God of fortresses...

this is a future event...observe

Isaiah 47

1Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.

2Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.

3Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.

4As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.

5Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms.

6I was wroth with my people, I have polluted mine inheritance, and given them into thine hand: thou didst shew them no mercy; upon the ancient hast thou very heavily laid thy yoke.

7And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever: so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart, neither didst remember the latter end of it.

8Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:

9But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.

10For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.

11Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.

12Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.

13Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.

14Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

15Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.
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Cybele is Mary!

She represented caverns, primitive earth, wild animals (especially lions), mountaintop worship, sacred bees. She was a goddess of fortresses and protection, with a crown that depicted a city wall. The pine tree and ivy were sacred to her consort Attis, thus sacred to her. She is a goddess of drumming and is often depicted carrying a frame drum, which represents the full moon, the primordial egg of creation, the heartbeat of earth. Often, frame drums are covered with the hide of the bull, also sacred to Cybele. She represents the creative intuitive dance of creation as the Magna Mater, the great mother creatrix.


she is coming...soon...I've been warning you now for years...you still won't listen
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I agree that the OT has been fulfilled. However, keep in mind that the god of the OT was not Jesus' Father, the real God.

Keeping that in mind, the OT god knew the real God would surface who is the Force.
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I agree that the OT has been fulfilled. However, keep in mind that the god of the OT was not Jesus' Father, the real God.

Keeping that in mind, the OT god knew the real God would surface who is the Force.
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If the OT has been fulfilled...can you explain this?

1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.


Also the account settlement with the Virgin of Babylon has not happened either

Isaiah 47
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Cybele is Mary!

She represented caverns, primitive earth, wild animals (especially lions), mountaintop worship, sacred bees. She was a goddess of fortresses and protection, with a crown that depicted a city wall. The pine tree and ivy were sacred to her consort Attis, thus sacred to her. She is a goddess of drumming and is often depicted carrying a frame drum, which represents the full moon, the primordial egg of creation, the heartbeat of earth. Often, frame drums are covered with the hide of the bull, also sacred to Cybele. She represents the creative intuitive dance of creation as the Magna Mater, the great mother creatrix.


she is coming...soon...I've been warning you now for years...you still won't listen
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You even see in the "The Passion of the Christ"

who played "The Devil?"
A WOMAN!
Here is a clue...look how the "Madonna and Child" mock Yeshua as he is humiliated...
Mel Gibson's Icon pictures has the one eye of Horus
And the set was struck by lighting TWICE with one of the times lightening actually striking the actor who played "Jesus"
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Artemis is Diana is Cybele is MARY

look at the fortress on her head...
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Cybele was the Goddess of Bees, fertility and Fortresses
She is also known as a Black Madonna

In the book turned movie "The Secret Life of Bees" (the clue is hidden in the title)

there is a honey jar (made from honey bees) with the Madonna goddess in it. She is the Madonna of Czestchowa Poland. Pope John Paul the II called himself "the slave to the black madonna"

here is the image of the jar from the book cover
[link to 2.bp.blogspot.com]

now here is the image of the "Black Madonna"
[link to michaelguth.com]

do you see the sword wounds on the right cheek and neck of the image?

Revelation
14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Daniel 11
8 But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things.

Mary ..is the black madonna! Cybele is the God of Fortresses...she is now known as Mary!

Another clue hidden in the title
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The God of forces refers to God as perfection who manifests his will in the universe through the four laws of physics creating and sustaining all that there is.

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