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Minneapolis Bridge Collapse - the Zetas Explain

 
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The Earth was being stretched!

I note the debunkers are frantic, bumping this thread with their need to drown out the truth.



The Earth is being "stretched" daily somewhere! it's called ground movement! the tectonic plates that make up the worlds crust have NEVER been still! earthquakes, volcanoes, landslides, mountains and every other feature you see in the natural world is caused by ground movement, even rivers!

You have no truth! what you have is schizophrenia! and I'm sorry to say, after more than 12 years without treatment your prognosis is poor, your delusions will continue and you will continue to pour your increasingly wild ideas into any forum where you think you may get attention.

Remember you started with an incoming "brown dwarf star" in an orbit around two suns, surface temp. 2000 degrees C, approx. today you have a "water planet" "parked" between Venus and the sun!, (surface temp. on Venus 500 degrees C) The sun would vaporize the water and turn it to super heated steam! you complete this delusion with a bunch of wacky zetas bent on mass genocide of the human population.

In time you will make even wilder attempts to keep your delusions intact. I will predict your claims for Planet x will include turning it into a "spaceship" complete with Star Trek style "shields" and "cloaking" devices etc. to answer your critics as well as the obvious flaws in your logic.
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So tell me how your water planet is not super heated steam complete with steamed zetas?
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You obviously haven't read Sitchen or ZetaTalk. PX has a VERY thick atmosphere - far thicker than Earth's. Two, as the atmosphere has degenerated over the eons, the inhabitants have augmented it with suspended gold particles. The story is CONSISTENT - the same factors that would prevent this water planet from FREEZING SOLID in deep space is also the SAME factors that prevent it from over-heating when close to the sun. Futhermore, PX is not *THAT* close to the sun anyway - only about the distance that Venus is - hardly being licked by flames!


Then, please point it out. We can easily see Venus and Mercury...where is px. Give me coordinates. And no BS about how it's "shrouded in dust" so you can't see it. If that were the case, there would be an area where we don't see distant stars behind it...there is no such area. Bear in mind, I'm an astrophotographer...so give me coordinates and I'll be happy to show you that there's nothing there.


Coodinates are not mine to give. The Council of Worlds forbids it. ZetaTalk has mentioned this endlessly. It has been stated that no "proof" will be given while the cover-up persists. Whatever is causing the current weather and geological anomolies will reveal itself soon enough. Until then, there is more than enough "circumstantial" evidence from history and current events to allow those who desire to survive "whatever is coming" to take preparatory actions with the confidence that their efforts are not mis-guided.


You've really bought into her fairy tale, hook, line and sinker haven't you? Tell me, can you point out one single example from all of ZT of an astronomical prediction or claim of Nancy's has EVER come true? Just one? Of course, you also have to provide corroborating supporting evidence from someplace other than her own web site.

Let's see how you do.


Nope - I cannot. I am not an astrophotographer, nor do I play one on TV. My inclination to take ZetaTalk seriously in terms of preparedness and efforts to inform and warn fellow humans stems from MY OWN observations and deliberations - ZetaTalk has simply underscored these. There is enough other evidence to call for VIGILENCE and awareness. Learning to identify wild edibles for instance, is not a wasted exercise for those who desire PX insurance. As always, no one buys disaster insurance "hoping" for the disaster - unless their intent is to defraud the insurer. But in this case, there is NO insurer - other than the attitude and survival aptitude I build for myself, and advocate for others.
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No one questions that being prepared for real natural disasters is a bad idea. Quite the contrary. My family went without power and running water for 10 days after Hurricane Hugo in 1989. But what Nancy claims is altogether a fantasy...a made up story. Even if it were true and the earth did undergo a "poleshift" as she states, there would be no possible way for life of any form to survive. The mathematics of calculating the energy expendature required to overcome the momentum of the spinning earth is fairly simple and it comes from 9th grade physics. There is simply no way to get around the fact that in order for planet ex, or anything else for that matter, to tilt the rotational axis of the planet significantly would be the equivalent of having billions of nuclear bombs go off at the same time. To stop the planet in its orbit as she claims has already been done was calculated on here several months ago using simple equations to be the equavalent of on the order of 10^14 Hiroshima nuclear bombs (10 with 14 zeroes after it). To think that anyone could survive such a catastrophy is simply naive and shows a lack of education in basic physics. But that is what Nancy depends on from her sheep. That's exactly why she chose astronomy to be the base of her cult...something that the general public knows very little about so they wouldn't see her BS.

And that is the bottom line...her story is based in astronomy...a subject in which she has a 100% failure rate. So why on earth would you give her any credence at all when she's failed at every astronomical prediction and claim she's ever made?
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The Earth was being stretched!

I note the debunkers are frantic, bumping this thread with their need to drown out the truth.



The Earth is being "stretched" daily somewhere! it's called ground movement! the tectonic plates that make up the worlds crust have NEVER been still! earthquakes, volcanoes, landslides, mountains and every other feature you see in the natural world is caused by ground movement, even rivers!

You have no truth! what you have is schizophrenia! and I'm sorry to say, after more than 12 years without treatment your prognosis is poor, your delusions will continue and you will continue to pour your increasingly wild ideas into any forum where you think you may get attention.

Remember you started with an incoming "brown dwarf star" in an orbit around two suns, surface temp. 2000 degrees C, approx. today you have a "water planet" "parked" between Venus and the sun!, (surface temp. on Venus 500 degrees C) The sun would vaporize the water and turn it to super heated steam! you complete this delusion with a bunch of wacky zetas bent on mass genocide of the human population.

In time you will make even wilder attempts to keep your delusions intact. I will predict your claims for Planet x will include turning it into a "spaceship" complete with Star Trek style "shields" and "cloaking" devices etc. to answer your critics as well as the obvious flaws in your logic.


So tell me how your water planet is not super heated steam complete with steamed zetas?
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Written earlier in this thread:

You obviously haven't read Sitchen or ZetaTalk. PX has a VERY thick atmosphere - far thicker than Earth's. Two, as the atmosphere has degenerated over the eons, the inhabitants have augmented it with suspended gold particles. The story is CONSISTENT - the same factors that would prevent this water planet from FREEZING SOLID in deep space is also the SAME factors that prevent it from over-heating when close to the sun. Futhermore, PX is not *THAT* close to the sun anyway - only about the distance that Venus is - hardly being licked by flames!


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Where mankind uses Gold for adornment or as a medium of exchange, the visitors from the 12th Planet were collecting Gold for survival. Their home planet, on its long orbit out in space, is subjected to atmospheric abrasion the Earth and the other planets on more sedate orbits around the Sun do not suffer. Consider the rapid path past the Sun made by the 12th Planet, when acting like a comet. It moves from one side of the Solar System to the other in 3 months, a fast track indeed. The 12th Planet losses atmosphere here and there, on a regular basis, and where this can be rebuild from its copious oceans, being basically a water planet, certain elements become depleted. Molecules in the atmosphere, containing Gold, are necessary to retain the heat and light the planet generates, to keep the heat and light, essentially, bouncing back to the surface, as without these Gold based molecules the planet dims and cools.
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Planet X is **NOT** the Zetan home world - it belongs to the Annunaki - genetic cousins to humans seeded at the same time as Earth. They have limited space travel capability and currently are in quarantine vis-a-vis humans.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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What caused the collapse?

The I35W bridge, being the larger of the bridges crossing the Mississippi at this point, was less able to adapt to a change in position vs a vs its footings on either side of the river, as it was an interstate bridge, supporting several lanes, and thus had massive and thus rigid supports. Smaller bridges have more flexibility as they are built to withstand uneven loads on either end, thus are more springy by design.
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Wrong again DINOSAUR BREATH! The 10th Avenue bridge spans just as far as the 35W bridge did! The 10th Av. bridge is much older! The 10th Av. bridge is less then 100 yards down river from the collapsed 35W bridge. If your theory were true in this case then the 10th Av. bridge should have collasped too. It didn't. You simply DO NOT know what you are talking about in this case! I dare you to NOT delete this post, this time.
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Planet X is **NOT** the Zetan home world - it belongs to the Annunaki - genetic cousins to humans seeded at the same time as Earth. They have limited space travel capability and currently are in quarantine vis-a-vis humans.
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Nancy I don't give a rats ass who is who on Px, the simple reality is you have Px hanging "between" Venus and the sun, likely temperature +1000 degrees C, gold is a heavy metal, your planet X has gravity! how the hell do you "suspend" gold in the air? even if you could gold reflects light! your incoming planet would have stood out like balls on a pit-bull!

As I said, soon you will be firing up the "shield generators" from Star Trek!
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What caused the collapse?

The I35W bridge, being the larger of the bridges crossing the Mississippi at this point, was less able to adapt to a change in position vs a vs its footings on either side of the river, as it was an interstate bridge, supporting several lanes, and thus had massive and thus rigid supports. Smaller bridges have more flexibility as they are built to withstand uneven loads on either end, thus are more springy by design.


Wrong again DINOSAUR BREATH! The 10th Avenue bridge spans just as far as the 35W bridge did! The 10th Av. bridge is much older! The 10th Av. bridge is less then 100 yards down river from the collapsed 35W bridge. If your theory were true in this case then the 10th Av. bridge should have collasped too. It didn't. You simply DO NOT know what you are talking about in this case! I dare you to NOT delete this post, this time.
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Just Nancy delving into science she has no idea about, has not stopped Nancy before, she will continue to plow on regardless!
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You obviously haven't read Sitchen or ZetaTalk. PX has a VERY thick atmosphere - far thicker than Earth's. Two, as the atmosphere has degenerated over the eons, the inhabitants have augmented it with suspended gold particles. The story is CONSISTENT - the same factors that would prevent this water planet from FREEZING SOLID in deep space is also the SAME factors that prevent it from over-heating when close to the sun. Futhermore, PX is not *THAT* close to the sun anyway - only about the distance that Venus is - hardly being licked by flames!


Then, please point it out. We can easily see Venus and Mercury...where is px. Give me coordinates. And no BS about how it's "shrouded in dust" so you can't see it. If that were the case, there would be an area where we don't see distant stars behind it...there is no such area. Bear in mind, I'm an astrophotographer...so give me coordinates and I'll be happy to show you that there's nothing there.


Coodinates are not mine to give. The Council of Worlds forbids it. ZetaTalk has mentioned this endlessly. It has been stated that no "proof" will be given while the cover-up persists. Whatever is causing the current weather and geological anomolies will reveal itself soon enough. Until then, there is more than enough "circumstantial" evidence from history and current events to allow those who desire to survive "whatever is coming" to take preparatory actions with the confidence that their efforts are not mis-guided.


You've really bought into her fairy tale, hook, line and sinker haven't you? Tell me, can you point out one single example from all of ZT of an astronomical prediction or claim of Nancy's has EVER come true? Just one? Of course, you also have to provide corroborating supporting evidence from someplace other than her own web site.

Let's see how you do.


Nope - I cannot. I am not an astrophotographer, nor do I play one on TV. My inclination to take ZetaTalk seriously in terms of preparedness and efforts to inform and warn fellow humans stems from MY OWN observations and deliberations - ZetaTalk has simply underscored these. There is enough other evidence to call for VIGILENCE and awareness. Learning to identify wild edibles for instance, is not a wasted exercise for those who desire PX insurance. As always, no one buys disaster insurance "hoping" for the disaster - unless their intent is to defraud the insurer. But in this case, there is NO insurer - other than the attitude and survival aptitude I build for myself, and advocate for others.


No one questions that being prepared for real natural disasters is a bad idea. Quite the contrary. My family went without power and running water for 10 days after Hurricane Hugo in 1989. But what Nancy claims is altogether a fantasy...a made up story. Even if it were true and the earth did undergo a "poleshift" as she states, there would be no possible way for life of any form to survive. The mathematics of calculating the energy expendature required to overcome the momentum of the spinning earth is fairly simple and it comes from 9th grade physics. There is simply no way to get around the fact that in order for planet ex, or anything else for that matter, to tilt the rotational axis of the planet significantly would be the equivalent of having billions of nuclear bombs go off at the same time. To stop the planet in its orbit as she claims has already been done was calculated on here several months ago using simple equations to be the equavalent of on the order of 10^14 Hiroshima nuclear bombs (10 with 14 zeroes after it). To think that anyone could survive such a catastrophy is simply naive and shows a lack of education in basic physics. But that is what Nancy depends on from her sheep. That's exactly why she chose astronomy to be the base of her cult...something that the general public knows very little about so they wouldn't see her BS.

And that is the bottom line...her story is based in astronomy...a subject in which she has a 100% failure rate. So why on earth would you give her any credence at all when she's failed at every astronomical prediction and claim she's ever made?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 88145


Hmmm, we're talking about the "same" physics as described in this ariticle???:


 [link to www.newscientist.com] 



Forgive me if I don't find assertions based on current physics ***alone*** to be compelling. My investigation into these matters has persuaded me that there are enough "known unknowns" and "unknown unknowns" to plant a SUBSTANTIAL "element of doubt" in my confidence that modern physicists can even describe "known" observations in terms of theory, much less UNOBSERVED phenomena, such as the effects a "hypothetical" rogue planet would have the planets of the inner solar system. Sorry - I'll look elsewhere for evidence to base my decisions on. The geological and cultural-historical records are OVERFLOWING with evidence, that while a global catastrophe is indeed HORRIFIC and destructive on an almost unimaginative level, it also suggests that for some - and indeed perhaps a *small* number - it IS survivable. Species perish and go extinct - but others survive and recover. I can accept this horror as potentially real and potentially in MY lifetime. Most others cannot. In the end, fate will dictate. I may perish, and the doubter and skeptic next door may survive. This thought does not bother me.

You on the other hand - if you live in Florida, then almost certainly you will not survive if you choose to remain there. And as much as you'd like to convince yourself that moving would be "pointless" - I'm sorry to say, your arguement is not conclusive or "self-evident" to those who've looked at this potential scenario in detail - and weighed ALL the evidence - and not just the material that supports what we want to believe.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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Forgive me if I don't find assertions based on current physics ***alone*** to be compelling.

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Of course not, instead you believe a huge brown dwarf/planet 4 times larger than the earth came zooming in at "near light speed" screamed around the sun and came to a screeching stop in 2003 (without brakes) and just hangs around without boiling? RIGHT!
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Hmmm, we're talking about the "same" physics as described in this ariticle???:


 [link to www.newscientist.com] 


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No, we're not. Please explain how subatomic physics impacts macroscopic Newtonian physics which has served us perfectly well for centuries. The mass of the planet is well know. It's speed around the sun and its rotational velocity is well known. Therefore its kinetic energy, which has nothing to do with the link you provided, can be easily calculated. It's the exact same formulas involved in figuring how many ergs of energy are expended with hitting a baseball...changing it's direction of flight. It's very simple and has never been shown to be inaccurate except in relatavistic scenarios, of which this one certainly is not.

Forgive me if I don't find assertions based on current physics ***alone*** to be compelling. My investigation into these matters has persuaded me that there are enough "known unknowns" and "unknown unknowns" to plant a SUBSTANTIAL "element of doubt" in my confidence that modern physicists can even describe "known" observations in terms of theory, much less UNOBSERVED phenomena, such as the effects a "hypothetical" rogue planet would have the planets of the inner solar system. Sorry - I'll look elsewhere for evidence to base my decisions on.

 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


You severe lack of education in the subject is blatantly showing. We use these "theories" all the time to gain velocity boosts for interplanetary probes from planets. And accurately enough such that we can thread a probe through a gap in the rings of Saturn. Likewise, we calculate the gravitational effects of Jupiter and the other planets into the precise timing of asteroid and lunar occultations of distant stars...accurate to the millisecond which I've verified many time in my own occultations observations. In other words, there are no measureable macro perturbations on a planetary scale from Newton's basic laws. That you don't know this is telling.


The geological and cultural-historical records are OVERFLOWING with evidence, that while a global catastrophe is indeed HORRIFIC and destructive on an almost unimaginative level, it also suggests that for some - and indeed perhaps a *small* number - it IS survivable.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Do tell...and don't try and use authors long discredited such as Sitchin and Velikovsky.

Global catastropies have occurred before such as the Chixalube event. But these had not nearly so much energy as would be required to stop the planet in its orbit or tilt its poles significantly. You still have no clue as to what's involved.



Species perish and go extinct - but others survive and recover. I can accept this horror as potentially real and potentially in MY lifetime. Most others cannot. In the end, fate will dictate. I may perish, and the doubter and skeptic next door may survive. This thought does not bother me.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



Again, these events are nowhere in the league of what Nancy claims.

You on the other hand - if you live in Florida, then almost certainly you will not survive if you choose to remain there. And as much as you'd like to convince yourself that moving would be "pointless" - I'm sorry to say, your arguement is not conclusive or "self-evident" to those who've looked at this potential scenario in detail - and weighed ALL the evidence - and not just the material that supports what we want to believe.
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I do not live in Florida.

Once again, I'll ask...if Nancy has never once had an astronomical prediction or claim come true, why do you give her any credence? She once said herself, "if they can't predict, why pay them attention". Indeed, why.
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Forgive me if I don't find assertions based on current physics ***alone*** to be compelling.



Of course not, instead you believe a huge brown dwarf/planet 4 times larger than the earth came zooming in at "near light speed" screamed around the sun and came to a screeching stop in 2003 (without brakes) and just hangs around without boiling? RIGHT!
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Half the speed of light is not exactly what I would call "near". As for the screeching stop, the inhabitants on the surface would feel nothing unless the planet came to a stop in SECONDS or MINUTES rather than hours or days. A decleration from 60 mph to 0 in "just" one minute is hardly felt by the passengers - if at all. PX could go from half light to dead stop in mere hours and the inhabitants would be none the wiser. The "brakes" as you call them are of course gravitational repulsion - which there IS evidence for. As for the boiling part - that's been covered. If the sun could boil it, deep space would freeze it - and the Anunnaki would truly be mythical, the Sumerians and all other ancient cultures who talk about GIANTS are wrong, and ancient Egyptians and Incas had an inexplicable "fetish" for building with mammoth stones in hostile and otherwise inaccessible areas - all with reed ropes, timber, and hundreds of thousands of slaves.

Please
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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Hmmm, we're talking about the "same" physics as described in this ariticle???:


 [link to www.newscientist.com] 




No, we're not. Please explain how subatomic physics impacts macroscopic Newtonian physics which has served us perfectly well for centuries. The mass of the planet is well know. It's speed around the sun and its rotational velocity is well known. Therefore its kinetic energy, which has nothing to do with the link you provided, can be easily calculated. It's the exact same formulas involved in figuring how many ergs of energy are expended with hitting a baseball...changing it's direction of flight. It's very simple and has never been shown to be inaccurate except in relatavistic scenarios, of which this one certainly is not.



Forgive me if I don't find assertions based on current physics ***alone*** to be compelling. My investigation into these matters has persuaded me that there are enough "known unknowns" and "unknown unknowns" to plant a SUBSTANTIAL "element of doubt" in my confidence that modern physicists can even describe "known" observations in terms of theory, much less UNOBSERVED phenomena, such as the effects a "hypothetical" rogue planet would have the planets of the inner solar system. Sorry - I'll look elsewhere for evidence to base my decisions on.



You severe lack of education in the subject is blatantly showing. We use these "theories" all the time to gain velocity boosts for interplanetary probes from planets. And accurately enough such that we can thread a probe through a gap in the rings of Saturn. Likewise, we calculate the gravitational effects of Jupiter and the other planets into the precise timing of asteroid and lunar occultations of distant stars...accurate to the millisecond which I've verified many time in my own occultations observations. In other words, there are no measureable macro perturbations on a planetary scale from Newton's basic laws. That you don't know this is telling.



The geological and cultural-historical records are OVERFLOWING with evidence, that while a global catastrophe is indeed HORRIFIC and destructive on an almost unimaginative level, it also suggests that for some - and indeed perhaps a *small* number - it IS survivable.


Do tell...and don't try and use authors long discredited such as Sitchin and Velikovsky.

Global catastropies have occurred before such as the Chixalube event. But these had not nearly so much energy as would be required to stop the planet in its orbit or tilt its poles significantly. You still have no clue as to what's involved.




Species perish and go extinct - but others survive and recover. I can accept this horror as potentially real and potentially in MY lifetime. Most others cannot. In the end, fate will dictate. I may perish, and the doubter and skeptic next door may survive. This thought does not bother me.



Again, these events are nowhere in the league of what Nancy claims.


You on the other hand - if you live in Florida, then almost certainly you will not survive if you choose to remain there. And as much as you'd like to convince yourself that moving would be "pointless" - I'm sorry to say, your arguement is not conclusive or "self-evident" to those who've looked at this potential scenario in detail - and weighed ALL the evidence - and not just the material that supports what we want to believe.


I do not live in Florida.

Once again, I'll ask...if Nancy has never once had an astronomical prediction or claim come true, why do you give her any credence? She once said herself, "if they can't predict, why pay them attention". Indeed, why.
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This will require a detailed response of course - something I don't have time to do now. But I will later ...
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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"Nancy you are a really sick sick fuck! While you are gleefully announcing how you and the Zetas predicted this, there are families mourning, children wondering if their parents will ever be found. Trust you to try and capitalize on the misfortunes of others. If you really did know, or if the Zetas knew, then they should tell us all BEFORE it happens, but that is not possible, is it?? You throw around vague "predictions" and anything that happens (and shit HAPPENS all the time, Px or no Px) you try to use it to give credibility to your "message". You are the epitome of a self serving cult leader.

You should be ashamed. I would not want the kind of karma you are building."


Spew your tripe to the debunkers who said this wouldn't happen. Nancy predicted it ... people reading her could have removed themselves from dangerous areas already and been safe. The debunkers, however, want as many of you to die as possible, by the looks of it.

Nancy warned of this, many times already. The debunkers have said all along ..."all is normal". Shame on them!

And you talk about "karma building"? Nice Karma building there, AC.
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What did she predict and where is this prediction?
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 [link to www.msnbc.msn.com] 


There are 592,473 bridges in the US.

Out of nearly 600,000 bridges there are only about 300 spanning the Mississippi River. (I counted 289).

 [link to en.wikipedia.org] 


The odds of correctly predicting a Mississippi River bridge collapse followed by an actual collapse LESS THAN A YEAR after the prediction ==>

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We have detailed how the N. American plate is put under pressure during the Earth Torque. Put one hand on New England and twist it East (during the daily rotation of the Earth) but hold Mexico back, pulling back toward the West (as the magnetic S Pole of Earth is tugged back by the grip of Planet X). What does this do to the N. American plate? It pulls it at a diagonal, ripping the rock fingers along the New Madrid fault such that the land to the East of the Mississippi moves up and to the East, toward New England, and the land to the West of the Mississippi moves down and to the West. This does more than tear most of the bridges along the Mississippi, it weakens the land to the West of the Mississippi, causing it to drop. The land to the East of the Mississippi is rock, the bluffs of Memphis and underlying rock where the Appalachian Mountains curl through Tennessee and Alabama toward the Mississippi river. But the land south of the Ozarks is not solid rock, and when stretched will drop in elevation. This is already occurring.

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Bridge collapses with uncertain causes are EXTREMELY rare.

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The last one occurring in 1987.

So - was Nancy *lucky* with her prediction - I HARDLY THINK SO!!

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If this is her prediction, it said most of the bridges not one, or the one next to it. RIDICULOUS. If Nancy can predict something do it now. Tell us what will happen next and when. Then she can have some credibility. Instead of making excuse after excuse for false predictions and ADMITTING to LYING in the past.
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Forgive me if I don't find assertions based on current physics ***alone*** to be compelling.



Of course not, instead you believe a huge brown dwarf/planet 4 times larger than the earth came zooming in at "near light speed" screamed around the sun and came to a screeching stop in 2003 (without brakes) and just hangs around without boiling? RIGHT!
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Half the speed of light is not exactly what I would call "near". As for the screeching stop, the inhabitants on the surface would feel nothing unless the planet came to a stop in SECONDS or MINUTES rather than hours or days. A deceleration from 60 mph to 0 in "just" one minute is hardly felt by auto passengers - if at all. PX could go from half light to dead stop in mere hours and the inhabitants would be none the wiser. The "brakes" as you call them are of course gravitational repulsion - which there IS evidence for. As for the boiling part - that's been covered. If the sun could boil it, deep space would freeze it - and the Anunnaki would truly be mythical, the Sumerians and all other ancient cultures who talk about GIANTS are wrong, and ancient Egyptians and Incas had an inexplicable "fetish" for building with mammoth stones in hostile and otherwise inaccessible areas - all with reed ropes, timber, and hundreds of thousands of slaves.

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I'd like to point out that most of the events that have come true / are coming true have been predicted a long time ago. E.g. what was written in ZT about the bridges of Mississippi, combined with the global phenomenon of underground structures braking for no apparent reason -I would call this something else than BS.

Seriously, if any of you have the time, just read through the Zetatalk. There's a lot that was supposed to happen in 2003, but is actually happening now.

Nancy is no scientist, and if someone tells her about the events to come, who says that she can write it on the site in a scientific and acceptable way? If someone would tell you how the spaceshuttle works in one hour, sor sure your memo about it would be ridiculous for astronauts. Even though the main points might be more or less correct.

I used to think that Nancy was full of it, but not any more. She is on to SOMETHING, no matter if it is planet X, Y, Z or whatever.

But in any case, everyone for themselves. I'm having my eyes open, and I can see the world is changing fast. If the most of you like to think that nothing will happen and this was just because the bridge is so "old" -go ahead.

I would just like to see your faces when the NEXT bridge collapses, or some new event takes place which can also be linked to moving earth.
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My point exactly. She has no idea when any of this will happen. Meaning she is no prophet and neither are the alledged Zetas. All this was predicted in the bible. (No not down to detail such things as bridges, a little common sense please) Nancy cannot predict anything accurateley before it happens. That means correct dates. If she can let's have a current and correct prediction from Nancy and the Zetas. I would love to see them get ONE right. BTW to her followers, saying something will happen in 2003 and then it happens in 2007, does not make you correct! This is a simple concept.
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Residents noted symptoms of Earth movement, methane smells associated with rock layers pulling apart, algae blooms on the methane released under water, and a vibration! Via email, this report:

I live in a suburb of Minneapolis and NOTHING has ever happened like this before. There were reports in the news of a 'rotten egg smell' and an outbreak of of algae just a few days prior to this. I also felt, or heard, a strange frequency a couple of hours before this happened.

The Earth was being stretched!

I note the debunkers are frantic, bumping this thread with their need to drown out the truth. When ZetaTalk first started, they were always claiming the weather was 'normal', even though one could see the trend even in 1995. They're no longer saying the weather is normal, just denying ZT accuracy. One day soon they'll fall silent about that, too.
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An unverifiable email, figures.
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I note the debunkers are frantic, bumping this thread with their need to drown out the truth. When ZetaTalk first started, they were always claiming the weather was 'normal', even though one could see the trend even in 1995. They're no longer saying the weather is normal, just denying ZT accuracy. One day soon they'll fall silent about that, too.
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Yes - but you notice that Circuit Breaker and the rest of the usual suspects are suspiciously absent. Usually they pounce on any of your threads within 30mins.

They CANNOT debunk this because the Zetas predicted this repeatedly and NOW ITS HAPPENING.

The only debunking I see here is AC's saying that the bridge doesn't mean anything. Of course Circuit Breaker can't say that as he's so familiar with Zetatalk that he'd just sound ridiculous.
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If this really is the start of Bridge collapes along the Missippi,then the
next few Months will be a dilly.

How many major Bridges cross the Missippi before New Orleans? Hundreds??
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Does anyone think maybe over the years as the earth has shifted and plates slowly contract and expand that just maybe this bridge has been getting pulled more and more over the years and finally just snapped.

Also the zetas are BS, Nancy is BS she cannot ro will not ever comprehend quantum pgysics and how the mind works, its all a scheme, its all shit. After all why did the zetas tell her of this collapse prior to it happeneing? Hmmmmmmm always like you Nancy to chime in when there is a world know event!!

You have no access to any other dimension besides the 3rd, you have never given proof of anything you speak of, Well I know Ill never cash in on you and your shit, as for the others here...DONT BE A SUCKER!! if someone told you to invest 50,000 in a stock just cause they "said" they had foresight and someone told them through their body..would you do it??? FUUUUCK NO!
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Does anyone think maybe over the years as the earth has shifted and plates slowly contract and expand that just maybe this bridge has been getting pulled more and more over the years and finally just snapped.

Also the zetas are BS, Nancy is BS she cannot ro will not ever comprehend quantum pgysics and how the mind works, its all a scheme, its all shit. After all why did the zetas tell her of this collapse prior to it happeneing? Hmmmmmmm always like you Nancy to chime in when there is a world know event!!

You have no access to any other dimension besides the 3rd, you have never given proof of anything you speak of, Well I know Ill never cash in on you and your shit, as for the others here...DONT BE A SUCKER!! if someone told you to invest 50,000 in a stock just cause they "said" they had foresight and someone told them through their body..would you do it??? FUUUUCK NO!
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see what I mean, no debunker can make intelligence arguments against what the bridge collapse really means as I said above.

The only thing left is to shout insults and generic counter arguments against listening to anyone other than them.

Of course, for all we know, these AC's ARE circuit breaker and crowd as they have decided in Langley that that's the only course of action available to them!
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Half the speed of light is not exactly what I would call "near". As for the screeching stop, the inhabitants on the surface would feel nothing unless the planet came to a stop in SECONDS or MINUTES rather than hours or days. A deceleration from 60 mph to 0 in "just" one minute is hardly felt by auto passengers - if at all. PX could go from half light to dead stop in mere hours and the inhabitants would be none the wiser.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



Man, when you show your ignorance, you REALLY show your ignorance! OK, let's work through this so that even you will understand.

Velocity is given in units of distance per unit of time.
Acceleratioon, or deceleration, is given in units of distance per units of time squared.

Going from an initial velcity (V1) to some other velocity (V2) is simply given by the equation:

V2 = V1 + (a*t), where a equals acceleration (or deceleration) and t is time in the same units as velocity and acceleration.

OK, let's assume that V1 = half the speed of light. Since the speed of light is 300,000,000 meters/second, half of that is 150,000,000 m/s.

Since we are going to stop, the final speed, V2, equals zero.

So we now have:

150,000,000 = a * t

If we stop over a period of 6 hours, we have t = 21,600 seconds.

Substituting, a = 150,000,000 / 21,600 = 6944 km/sec^2

The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/sec^2.

So the number of G's felt by the occupants of px would be:

21,600 / 9.8 = 708 G's !!!!!!!

Do you think they wouldn't notice over 700 G's?

Let's work out how long it would take to decelerate from half the speed of light so that the deceleration would equal the acceleration due to gravity...or so that it would be un-noticable.

In this case, t = 150,000,000 / a, where a = 9.8 m/sec^2.

Then t = 15,306,122 seconds...or 177 days.

The distance travelled over time by a decelerating object that is stopping is simply 0.5 * a * t^2.

Plugging in our values, D = 0.5(9.8)(15,306,122)(15,306,122) = 1147959116326532 meters, or 1,147,959,116,327 km

The distance from the sun to the earth is 149,668,992 km, so this means that px would have to start decelerating at a distance of 1,147,959,116,327 / 149,668,992, or 7670 times the earth's distance from the sun (AU, or astronomical Units)! The entire solar system is only 39.5 AU in radius, so px would have to begin this deceleration at 7670 / 39.5, or 194 solar system radii from the sun!!!

Folks, this is typical of the zeta believers. They haven't the first clue about simple physics and mathematics.

OK, "zetamax", please explain how Nancy's story meshes with this reality?


The "brakes" as you call them are of course gravitational repulsion - which there IS evidence for.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


OK, where is it?


As for the boiling part - that's been covered. If the sun could boil it, deep space would freeze it
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


You've GOT to be kidding!!! What grade are you in? Apparently you haven't ever heard of infrared radiation. Explain the temperature of Mercury.

Nancy, you've got a real winner of a bunker here!
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I note the debunkers are frantic, bumping this thread with their need to drown out the truth. When ZetaTalk first started, they were always claiming the weather was 'normal', even though one could see the trend even in 1995. They're no longer saying the weather is normal, just denying ZT accuracy. One day soon they'll fall silent about that, too.


Yes - but you notice that Circuit Breaker and the rest of the usual suspects are suspiciously absent. Usually they pounce on any of your threads within 30mins.

They CANNOT debunk this because the Zetas predicted this repeatedly and NOW ITS HAPPENING.

The only debunking I see here is AC's saying that the bridge doesn't mean anything. Of course Circuit Breaker can't say that as he's so familiar with Zetatalk that he'd just sound ridiculous.
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There is no truth to drown. Things will happen. Nancy may have said some of the things that will come to pass. But she has never been right on a date and never will be!!! That is all I am saying, other than there are no Zetas.
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A loyal Nancy follower says, "they cannot debunk this", show me oh loyal one, where she correctely predicted an event with the correct time and date and other specifics!!! Until you can prove she is accurate how about sitting back down. Thanks.
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Half the speed of light is not exactly what I would call "near". As for the screeching stop, the inhabitants on the surface would feel nothing unless the planet came to a stop in SECONDS or MINUTES rather than hours or days. A deceleration from 60 mph to 0 in "just" one minute is hardly felt by auto passengers - if at all. PX could go from half light to dead stop in mere hours and the inhabitants would be none the wiser.



Man, when you show your ignorance, you REALLY show your ignorance! OK, let's work through this so that even you will understand.

Velocity is given in units of distance per unit of time.
Acceleratioon, or deceleration, is given in units of distance per units of time squared.

Going from an initial velcity (V1) to some other velocity (V2) is simply given by the equation:

V2 = V1 + (a*t), where a equals acceleration (or deceleration) and t is time in the same units as velocity and acceleration.

OK, let's assume that V1 = half the speed of light. Since the speed of light is 300,000,000 meters/second, half of that is 150,000,000 m/s.

Since we are going to stop, the final speed, V2, equals zero.

So we now have:

150,000,000 = a * t

If we stop over a period of 6 hours, we have t = 21,600 seconds.

Substituting, a = 150,000,000 / 21,600 = 6944 km/sec^2

The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/sec^2.

So the number of G's felt by the occupants of px would be:

21,600 / 9.8 = 708 G's !!!!!!!

Do you think they wouldn't notice over 700 G's?

Let's work out how long it would take to decelerate from half the speed of light so that the deceleration would equal the acceleration due to gravity...or so that it would be un-noticable.

In this case, t = 150,000,000 / a, where a = 9.8 m/sec^2.

Then t = 15,306,122 seconds...or 177 days.

The distance travelled over time by a decelerating object that is stopping is simply 0.5 * a * t^2.

Plugging in our values, D = 0.5(9.8)(15,306,122)(15,306,122) = 1147959116326532 meters, or 1,147,959,116,327 km

The distance from the sun to the earth is 149,668,992 km, so this means that px would have to start decelerating at a distance of 1,147,959,116,327 / 149,668,992, or 7670 times the earth's distance from the sun (AU, or astronomical Units)! The entire solar system is only 39.5 AU in radius, so px would have to begin this deceleration at 7670 / 39.5, or 194 solar system radii from the sun!!!

Folks, this is typical of the zeta believers. They haven't the first clue about simple physics and mathematics.

OK, "zetamax", please explain how Nancy's story meshes with this reality?



The "brakes" as you call them are of course gravitational repulsion - which there IS evidence for.


OK, where is it?



As for the boiling part - that's been covered. If the sun could boil it, deep space would freeze it


You've GOT to be kidding!!! What grade are you in? Apparently you haven't ever heard of infrared radiation. Explain the temperature of Mercury.

Nancy, you've got a real winner of a bunker here!
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Indeed - I was remiss, attempting to gloss over a complex subject with a simplistic explanation - which YOU are doing with rather "simple" Newtonian mathematics. From Wikipedia:

Coordinate vs. physical acceleration
One of the greatest sources of confusion about general relativity comes from the need to distinguish between coordinate and physical accelerations.

In classical mechanics, space is preferentially mapped with a Cartesian coordinate system. Inertial motion then occurs as one moves through this space at a constant coordinate rate with respect to time. Any change in this rate of progression must be due to a force, and therefore a physical and coordinate acceleration were in classical mechanics one and the same. It is important to note that in special relativity that same kind of Cartesian coordinate system was used, with time being added as a fourth dimension and defined for an observer using the Einstein synchronization procedure. As a result, physical and coordinate acceleration correspond in special relativity too, although their magnitudes may vary.

In general relativity, the elegance of a flat spacetime and the ability to use a preferred coordinate system are lost (due to stress-energy curving spacetime and the principle of general covariance). Consequently, coordinate and physical accelerations become sundered. In the case of someone standing on the Earth, where they are at rest with respect to the surface coordinates for the Earth (latitude, longitude, and elevation) but are undergoing a continuous physical acceleration because the mechanical resistance of the Earth's surface keeps them from free-falling.


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To say that humans understand all there is to know about how a 4X diameter, 26X mass planet generating it's own curved space and how THAT interacts with the sun's curved space and then sort out all these relationships and describe with precision what happens to an individual standing on the surface otherwise kept from free-falling due to the mechanical resistance of PX's surface is simply BEYOND the capacity of today's physics and physicists. Your attempts are like trying to measure the volume of an olympic sized swimming pool with no straight sides, symmetry, or uniform curvature - one cup at time, in the Sahara dessert at high noon.

Good luck.

I don't profess to prove my case with mathematics - because I CAN'T. But more importantly NEITHER CAN YOU.
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Half the speed of light is not exactly what I would call "near". As for the screeching stop, the inhabitants on the surface would feel nothing unless the planet came to a stop in SECONDS or MINUTES rather than hours or days. A deceleration from 60 mph to 0 in "just" one minute is hardly felt by auto passengers - if at all. PX could go from half light to dead stop in mere hours and the inhabitants would be none the wiser.



Man, when you show your ignorance, you REALLY show your ignorance! OK, let's work through this so that even you will understand.

Velocity is given in units of distance per unit of time.
Acceleratioon, or deceleration, is given in units of distance per units of time squared.

Going from an initial velcity (V1) to some other velocity (V2) is simply given by the equation:

V2 = V1 + (a*t), where a equals acceleration (or deceleration) and t is time in the same units as velocity and acceleration.

OK, let's assume that V1 = half the speed of light. Since the speed of light is 300,000,000 meters/second, half of that is 150,000,000 m/s.

Since we are going to stop, the final speed, V2, equals zero.

So we now have:

150,000,000 = a * t

If we stop over a period of 6 hours, we have t = 21,600 seconds.

Substituting, a = 150,000,000 / 21,600 = 6944 km/sec^2

The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/sec^2.

So the number of G's felt by the occupants of px would be:

21,600 / 9.8 = 708 G's !!!!!!!

Do you think they wouldn't notice over 700 G's?

Let's work out how long it would take to decelerate from half the speed of light so that the deceleration would equal the acceleration due to gravity...or so that it would be un-noticable.

In this case, t = 150,000,000 / a, where a = 9.8 m/sec^2.

Then t = 15,306,122 seconds...or 177 days.

The distance travelled over time by a decelerating object that is stopping is simply 0.5 * a * t^2.

Plugging in our values, D = 0.5(9.8)(15,306,122)(15,306,122) = 1147959116326532 meters, or 1,147,959,116,327 km

The distance from the sun to the earth is 149,668,992 km, so this means that px would have to start decelerating at a distance of 1,147,959,116,327 / 149,668,992, or 7670 times the earth's distance from the sun (AU, or astronomical Units)! The entire solar system is only 39.5 AU in radius, so px would have to begin this deceleration at 7670 / 39.5, or 194 solar system radii from the sun!!!

Folks, this is typical of the zeta believers. They haven't the first clue about simple physics and mathematics.

OK, "zetamax", please explain how Nancy's story meshes with this reality?



The "brakes" as you call them are of course gravitational repulsion - which there IS evidence for.


OK, where is it?



As for the boiling part - that's been covered. If the sun could boil it, deep space would freeze it


You've GOT to be kidding!!! What grade are you in? Apparently you haven't ever heard of infrared radiation. Explain the temperature of Mercury.

Nancy, you've got a real winner of a bunker here!
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Indeed - I was remiss, attempting to gloss over a complex subject with a simplistic explanation - which YOU are doing with rather "simple" Newtonian mathematics. From Wikipedia:

Coordinate vs. physical acceleration
One of the greatest sources of confusion about general relativity comes from the need to distinguish between coordinate and physical accelerations.

In classical mechanics, space is preferentially mapped with a Cartesian coordinate system. Inertial motion then occurs as one moves through this space at a constant coordinate rate with respect to time. Any change in this rate of progression must be due to a force, and therefore a physical and coordinate acceleration were in classical mechanics one and the same. It is important to note that in special relativity that same kind of Cartesian coordinate system was used, with time being added as a fourth dimension and defined for an observer using the Einstein synchronization procedure. As a result, physical and coordinate acceleration correspond in special relativity too, although their magnitudes may vary.

In general relativity, the elegance of a flat spacetime and the ability to use a preferred coordinate system are lost (due to stress-energy curving spacetime and the principle of general covariance). Consequently, coordinate and physical accelerations become sundered. In the case of someone standing on the Earth, where they are at rest with respect to the surface coordinates for the Earth (latitude, longitude, and elevation) but are undergoing a continuous physical acceleration because the mechanical resistance of the Earth's surface keeps them from free-falling.


 [link to en.wikipedia.org] 



To say that humans understand all there is to know about how a 4X diameter, 26X mass planet generating it's own curved space and how THAT interacts with the sun's curved space and then sort out all these relationships and describe with precision what happens to an individual standing on the surface otherwise kept from free-falling due to the mechanical resistance of PX's surface is simply BEYOND the capacity of today's physics and physicists. Your attempts are like trying to measure the volume of water (not the pool) in an olympic sized swimming pool with no straight sides, symmetry, or uniform curvature - one cup at time, in the Sahara dessert at high noon.

Good luck.

I don't profess to prove my case with mathematics - because I CAN'T. But more importantly NEITHER CAN YOU.
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Back to reality people. -Problem/Reaction/Solution- Look it up.
The people will be begging for $$$$$$ in infrastruture;
just the way the "Big Boys" like it. No fuss, no worry.
Add it to our "justified" war on terrorism chit.
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Since YOU posted it, please explain to everyone in your own terms, how what you posted has anything to do with my explanation and what the difference of the final outcome is if we use relativistic mathematics rather than Newtonian. Please be specific.
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I don't profess to prove my case with mathematics - because I CAN'T. But more importantly NEITHER CAN YOU.
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And just how would you know this when you admit yourself that you don't understandthe math? Aren't you making HUGE assumptions?





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