Why do Christians ignore the parts where God condones rape?

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Hey genius...

Please provide the verses of scripture that speak of God condones rape.

Thanks.

Please post the Bible references of these incidents you are claiming.

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2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)



"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.



Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves."



Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.


3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)



As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.



What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

There's more examples, but I think that last one alone is pretty damn sick. You can't possibly expect non christians to believe that all these women were happy as their husbands died, then immediately ran into the arms of the very men that killed them. Sounds more like God told them to kill all the men, and said it was ok to bang their wives whether they liked it or not. Jehovah is one sick son of a bitch.

BIG HUGE ATHEIST LIES.....show me a verse?.....

And don't use "micro-quotes" taken out of context.

A word of advice, do not judge the text of the Lord your God. It is his WORD. Hell is a very REAL place and so is HEAVEN. God does not want you to go to Hell, so quite judging him and his WORD. When you die, you will have to give an account of your doings here on Earth and I wouldn't want to stand at the thrown of judgement knowing I had "doubted" his WORD and spread lies about his WORD.
Please, ask for forgiveness and he will forgive you. He knows you and loves you and wants you to make it to Heaven!
Make the right decision...
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From what I understand, God was setting the Israelites up to be able to have their own land and keep their beliefs/knowledge pure and strong.

Do you condone killing animals to survive? Do you condone all the deaths civilization requires to succeed?

All I'm saying is that life is shit. I don't condone it, but then I live in an age of leisure.

Out of context? Are you insane? How the Hell do you even begin to take THIS out of context:

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

God is flat out telling his "people" to kill all the men and take the women for themselves. No way in hell you're gonna tell me the women fell at their feet with adoration after the guys murdered all the men. If a bunch of muslim fanatics killed all the men here, you think the women are gonna go 'Ah well, Allah is with them, let's fuck!"?

And wtf is this:

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

So if a girl gets raped, she has to marry the rapost? WTF kind of shit? And this:

"If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife."

So some marauding Philistine could rape some poor Jewish girl back then and God would say put her and the rapist to death? Notice God doesn't even care the girl was raped, all he cares about is "Some guy violated his neighbor's wife, damn"

How on earth can these be taken out of context? When Ahmadinadingalingadong was accused of saying Israel will be wiped off the map you christians start mouth breathing and screaming how we need to nuke his evil ass. yet God cndones rape and even says it's ok to kill a rape victim, and all you can respond with is "Well, uh... uh... it's out of context!" *posts random bible quotes that have nothing to do with anything*

Note, I'm not defending Iran, I'm just saying if one sick fuck says something wrong, how is it bad, but God says sick shit and it's "taken out of context". You christers claim the bible is the WORD OF GOD, well guess what? Your God thinks rape is ok. Good luck with all that/ The fucker prolly has slave labor rape camps in heaven...

So by this logic, God isn't pure good then. Because a being that is pure good wouldn't condone and tell people it's ok to rape. Funny how when "Satan" and his devils supposedly tell people to rape and commit atrocities, it's sick and wrong and you have to fight it, when God says it, it's the LAW and he's still a good guy.

Intent would be the determining factor.

Op, these are very good questions, and they deserve an educated answer. Unfortunately, I have not crossed this path yet on my own spiritual journey. I too, like you, can not, with my human understanding, except this. I often feel that the God of the old testament and the God of the new testament are two completely different Gods. I just don't understand it either. I am, at this point and time in my life, trying to understand what exactly the Bible is, it's origins, how much it has been changed and for what reasons? So far, I've come to believe that there are parts of it that I can trust and that are good. I'm begining to feel that if what I read, resonates with God's spirit, inside of me, then it is good and to be trusted. Here is something else...I ALWAYS try to remember to pray before I read anything written in it's pages. In my prayer, I ask God to show me the truths of His word and how to apply them to my life.

For me, the only thing that we have that tells us we can trust in the Bible is the Bible itself. This alone causes one to doubt it. For how can a source prove it's own merit? So I always couple it with prayer so that I know, whatever I read is for my edification and instruction. This way, if man has changed it or altered it for the benefit of the ruling parties at the time it was altered, I know that God will help me to filter out those parts of scripture that were never meant to be there.

I have no way of knowing for certain if my opinions about the Bible are true, but so far, I have been given it to know that there are good things there for me to read, and that He wants me to read them. One modern example I can look at as proof that God has allowed the Bible to be distorted and changed, are the many different translations that it now comes in. If we can do this now to His word, imagine what countless unscrupulous rulers were able to do to it then.

I will probably receive lots of flaming from others on here who believe it to be infallable, but to those, I would have to say, that at one time, and when Christ preached from it's pages, it probably was infalible.

Perhaps God allowed it to become distorted over the years, in order to separate the wheat from the chaff or those who blindly follow what MAN preaches that it says, rather than to take it to Him in prayer in order to discern through the Holy Spirit what is written between the lines of man's distortion? Jesus, in it's pages even warned of false doctrins of demons that men in the future would be duped into following. Could these doctrins he warned about have their origins in a distortion of the very scriptures he warned from?

Just remember, that if you stick close to God, He will not let His Spirit lead you astray. ALWAYS consult with Him anytime you have questions such as these, and He WILL anwer you OP.

Blessings to you and may He guide you in your seeking of the truth.

Original poster

why hide the fact you don't believe the Bible is factual?

You have a thread that states God condones rape but in posting this YOU really do not understand the scriptures NOR do you believe they are true.

One indeed has to read with another realm of understanding when reading the Bible.


Since you do not believe the Bible is factual, you do not believe your thread is true either!

The first five books of the Bible are full of stories of the conquest of Caanan. But one story that sometimes stands out in the minds of skeptics is the one found in Numbers 31, where God seemingly gives no reason for killing defenseless women and male children. In addition, it has been suggested that the young girls mentioned in the account were spared so that the Israelite men could rape them. Such accusations are baseless, however, as is evident when they are viewed in light of other related passages.

The most widely questioned section of Numbers 31 is verses 17-18: "
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women-children, that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

To understand this passage, one must realize that Numbers 25 is the prequel to the events recorded in Numbers 31.

Numbers 25 tells how the Midianites, specifically the women, led the Israelites astray into worshiping the Baal or Peor. The Lord's anger burned against Israel, and He struck them with a plague. The plague ended when Phinehas, the grandson of Aaron, killed an Israelite man and the Midianite woman he brought into his family (Numbers 25:6-9).

The relations with Midianite women were in direct violation of God’s commands in Deuteronomy 7:3-4: "Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. For he will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of Jehovah be kindled against you, and he will destroy thee quickly."

As a result of these events, God instructed the Israelites to "Vex the Midianites, and smite them; for they vex you with their wiles, wherewith they have beguiled you in the matter of Peor, and in the matter of Cozbi, the daughter of the prince of Midian, their sister, who was slain on the day of the plague in the matter of Peor" (Numbers 25:17-18).

When, in Numbers 31, the army brought back the women, it was in direct violation to God’s order in Numbers 25 to destroy the Midianites, who would lead the Israelites into apostasy.

But how can we explain the destruction of the young boys? Why were they not spared along with the young girls? Skeptics read of events such as the conquest of Canaan, and contend that no God could be so cruel as to call for the destruction of an entire nation. The mere idea of the God of heaven ordering the death of women and innocent children so outraged infidel Thomas Paine that he said such a scenario was sufficient evidence in and of itself to cause him to reject the divine origin of the Bible (1795, p. 90). In fact, he condemned the Bible for its alleged moral atrocities, and even went so far as to blame the Bible for virtually every moral injustice ever committed. He wrote:

Whence arose the horrid assassinations of whole nations of men, women, and infants, with which the Bible is filled; and the bloody persecutions, and tortures unto death and religious wars, that since that time have laid Europe in blood and ashes; whence arose they, but from this impious thing called revealed religion, and this monstrous belief that God has spoken to man? (p. 185).

However, to allege that the God of the Bible is some sort of "monster" for ordering Israel to destroy the inhabitants of Canaan exhibits an ignorance of biblical teaching.

Those inhabitants were destroyed because of their wickedness (Deuteronomy 9:4; 18:9-14). They were so evil that their Creator no longer could abide their corruption. That they had numerous opportunities to repent is evident from the prophetic books (Nineveh did repent, for example, and for a time stayed the day of destruction). Complaining about Jehovah's order to destroy innocent children is a vain gesture when one realizes that the children were spared an even worse fate of being reared as slaves under the domination of sin. Instead of having to endure the scourge of a life of immorality and wickedness, these innocents were ushered early into the bliss of Paradise. If the male children had been allowed to mature, they most likely would have followed the pagan ways of their forefathers, and eventually would have taken vengeance on the Israelites. Killing the males not only prevented them from falling into the same abominable sins as their parents, but also kept Israel from having to battle them later.

Man hardly can blame God and His Word for the awful consequences of sin; rather, he has only himself to blame (Romans 3:23; 5:12). A parent who warns a child of the consequences of disobedience, threatens an appropriate punishment, and then is true to his word at the event of infraction, generally is considered to be a firm-but-loving parent by clear-thinking people. Yet, critics ask us to view God as some type of ogre for following the same course of action. The discrepancy is not with the Almighty, but with His cowering critics.

The allegation that the Israelite men spared the young girls in order to rape them is nothing but baseless supposition predicated upon a lack of biblical knowledge. In the custom of the time, marriages were conducted at a young age. Therefore, the reference to the young girls who had not "known man by lying with him" would indicate that they were very young, likely under the age of twelve. These girls were too young to be able to lead the men of Israel away from Jehovah; therefore, these girls were allowed to live. As to raping them, it is more logical to assume that they wanted these girls for servants or possibly wives as they were innocent of the sins that brought about the destruction of the others. This would be similar to Joshua 9, where Joshua allowed the Gibeonites to live in compelled servitude to the Israelites. Moreover, it would have been sinful for the Israelite men to rape the Midianite girls because rape was (and still is) abhorrent to God (Deuteronomy 22:23-28, esp. 25).

The simple answer to the questions surrounding Numbers 31 is that God ordered the Midianites to be killed in Numbers 25:17-18. When the army did not carry out this order at the time of the Midianite defeat, it was carried out in a delayed fashion when the army returned with the captives. As to Moses allowing the young girls to remain alive, that was a judgment call from the man with God's authority over the Israelites.

God is the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and all-righteous "I Am" Who is over all things—so He may do whatever He wishes, so long as it is not in violation of His character. However, God does everything for a reason. Sometimes that reason may be unclear to us. In the case of the destruction of people like the Canaanites, God’s reasoning had to do with His justice. Deuteronomy 32:3-4 records: "For I will proclaim the name of Jehovah: Ascribe ye greatness unto our God. The Rock, his work is perfect; For all his ways are justice: A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, Just and right is he."

Men may not always understand God's justice, or His reasons for exercising it as He does. As Job 4:17 asked: "Shall mortal man be more just than God? Shall a man be more pure than his Maker?". The fact is, God does condone killing—in the name of justice (whether it be justice in regard to one person, or a whole nation). Even in modern times, the death penalty is an acceptable means of administering justice (Romans 13:1-7; cf. Genesis 9:6). While God is all loving, He also is a God of justice, and He will execute that justice in the most propitious manner—including by means of death.

The bible is not that of God.

Egg zack lee!!

Find the real god without reading a book written by men for control.
The bible is nothing more than a copy of a book of a copy of a book of a copy of a book going back +- 10,000 years and pieces taken out/put in to fit the times.
Seek god on your own w/out the distractions of a book and when you do its then you will begin to truly see the light.

Bible is full of crap, anomalies and inconsistencies.

Historically the victors always enjoyed the spoils of war. Isrealites were no better or worse than anyone else. By claiming they were/are thee chosen they justify(ied) their actions. Religious nutjobs get indoctrinated to look on a book written by men is godgiven.

It's a load of bollocks

And yet atheists constantly talk about it. Don't ride the coat-tails of religion; become a big man by your own means.

This excuse is a favorite among Christians, it is one of the most hilarious. It's a great way for them to weasel out, just say "you don't understand the scriptures". lol

The bible has been proven to be a scam. It's not from God. God had nothing to do with the evil that is in the bible.

God know the future. If He had not told them to do as they did back then, and they let people come into the fold believing false things into the group and blood lines of the males into the group they wouldn;t have made it to now.
Easy to understand. Hard yes. But it had to be.

The Father DOES NOT know the future.

Israelite captives where to be socially integrated.

Actually, there is a great piece of writing about the so-called genocide of the Amelekites as reference, I will try to find the article, great piece of work..

Of course the OP doesn't understand much of the history following the words written in the Bible, or in what context those commandments where given. And nowhere can I see *rape* being condoned. In fact, many here are forgetting that while multiple wives where allowed, extramarital sex was a sin punishable by death. Of course, there were no doubt Israelites that did not adhere to the commandments of YHWH, in fact, sadly most of Israel did not. No wonder God let his Temple to be destroyed - would you like to be so vehemently misrepresented?

Do note then, however, that the God if the Israelites, the almighty God of Gods YHWH, never condoned such behaviour.

Oh and Lady Wolf - No, the God of the OT and NT are one and the same. For example, in Micah (written about 400 years before Jesus) God himself said "I have not changed". It was always the same God. If you cannot follow the sense of justice that was involved, again, study the history arround it with two things in mind especially - God's promise to Israel and that the predominant force behind his actions - his power, his justice and wisdom- are always guided by love. In contrast to his other main qualities it is written that God IS love.

There seems to be only one solution - - KILL ALL OF THE STUPID RELIGICOS !

God spares Lot a man who offered his daughters to a mob to rape and murder. he later commits incest with both.

Seriously, would any of you Xians have this man that God considered as good in your church?

I would have him imprisoned him for life for being an incestuous scumbag.

Anybody disagree?

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

So if a skidrow meth freak rapes your daughter, you gonna sell your daughter to him?

Any takers?

Anyone who advocates or defends such a law should be executed as an evil psychopath.

Anyone disagree?

Most of this stems from ignorance. Whether you believe the Bible or not, none of us know what the world was like back then or how people lived. Putting things in context is the best way to understand reasons behind decisions, and none of us today can put the time the ancients were alive, into context.

So quit being a cocksplinter and bringing stupid things like this up. If someone wants to believe in the bible let them. If you don't then don't. Stop looking through it to find reason why a person would NOT want to believe. Why do you give a DAMN if others believe in this or not. It's really none of your business.

Do something a little more productive with your time. Maybe some charity work or something.



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Exactly.

The OP asks a very good question. All the bible thumpers are trying to bring new recruits into this religion. Everyone should question everything before they get involved! You should never blindly accept what others say, keep asking questions! However, all religions tell their flock not to ask questions as it is satan trying to weaken their faith, which is another lie.

The God of the OT said "Thou shalt not kill." Then he tells the Israelites to kill. That should be enough to prove to anyone that the bible is NOT from God. It was written by man to control man. They used God as a way to justify their murder, rape, adultry and robbery. Plain and simple.

In the NT, Jesus tries to tell people about how wrong religion is about the true nature of God. Many listened, many didn't. Religion was furious, so they murdered him. Then they turned him into a religion, which he was against. They corrupted his teachings by taking out parts, adding parts from the old corrupt religions. They have covered all the corners that keeps people in religious bondage. Your only way out is to ASK QUESTIONS and do RESEARCH!

Indeed.

unfortunately bible pukers like Hagee and perhaps even Cheney are advocating immediate Armageddon. The only hope to avert this is that people will stop seeing the bible as god's word. If you don't see that you are blind as a bat. Do you really want Armageddon? It is our damn business!

Charity work?

You are far better off learning who is illegally appropriating and hoarding the wealth that keeps society poor and indebted to them and spreading the word.

I don't see in any of your verses where the women were raped...they were taken into the tribes of Israel, and actually fared better there than in the idolatrous nations from which they were taken......God does not condone rape....any woman raped according to Leviticus had to be taken as a wife, "forever", with no means of divorce......................

this is an ignorant theory, that God condones rape....