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December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?

 
Robert W. Hawkins
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December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
The Mayan Calender Explained (Mayan-Aztec Sun Stone)

The Mayan calendar is also called the Aztec Calendar and is recorded as a relief carving on the highly colorful and detailed "sun stone" on exhibit in the National Museum of Anthropology and History in Mexico City.
Our modern Gregorian Calendar has days (1 rotation of the Earth on its axis), weeks (7 days), months (29-31 days) and years (the time it takes the Earth to orbit the Sun).
The Mayan Calendar is far more complex and involves the iteractions of three seperate components. It is really three calendars. There's a spiritual or religious calendar that takes 260 days to complete a cycle. In this 260 day cycle there are 20 sub cycles, made up of 13 days each. Each sub cycle has a unique nomenclature, and a relief figure on the "sun stone' to represent it, and particular meaning associated with each sub cycles''image'.

A second integral part of the Mayan -Aztec calender is much like our own in that it has 365 days, like the modern 'Gregorian' calendar. Unlike the modern calender, it has 18 'months' each made up of 20 days. At the end of each 20 day cycle there's five days that don't belong to either the precceding or following'month'. Each of these 'months' also has its own relief symbol on the Sun Stone calender.
So for any given date today, we can determine not only the religious week , but the solar month on the Sun stone.
The relevant part of the Mayan Aztec Sun stone we will be considering is called the "long count."
Like a modern mechanical watch has gears that rotate in specific ratios to eact other to keep the hour and minute hands as well as the day /month indicators current, the Mayan Aztec Sun stone has 'cogs' which engage each other on the two inner 'rings' that represent the first two components of the calender discussed earlier. These 'travel' along a linear 'path' called the 'long count'.
Any day in modern times and in history can be determined using the long count ,and the religious week and solar month for any patricular Gregorian date can also be determined.

The long count relies on the Mayan mathmatical system of indicating munbers. The Mayans had only 5 'decimal'places(they wern;t really decimal paces since they wrnt based on ten) and recorded numbers from right to left, the oposite of our modern system.
The first ' place' consisted of a number in the range of 0 to 20. The 2nd. 'decimal place' to the left could be any number from 0 to 17; the 3rd. from 0 to 19; the 4th decimal place could be any number from 0 to 19 and the last 'decimal place' from 0 to 12. It is easy to see it's NOT actually a decimal system at all.

These "places' are separated by a dot, like with modern base ten mathmatics.. However, instead of multiples of 10, the first 'place' multiplys by 1 (as in the modern decimal system); the second 'place' had a 'multiplier' of 20 , the third place a multiplier of 360, the fourth 'place' a multiplier of 7200 and the final place a multiplier of 144000.
The largest number that can be recorded using this method is 12.19.19.17.20. This number represents 5125.35 years .

Why does the Mayan Aztec long count 'end' December 21, 2012? Because no higher number could be recorded using the Mayan numerological methodology!
Now we need to concentrate on the science involved in that particular date and then we start to realize something is very odd about this 'coincidence'.
Jupiter makes one complete trip around the Sun every 11.86 years. Jupiter, and to a smaller degree the lesser planets trigger the 11 year cycle of sunspots and solar flares.
When Jupiter and Saturn are more or less aligned, on the same side of the Sun, the solar cycle is at its peak; and when these two planets are on opposite sides of the Sun the solar minimum occurs. The planets orbit the Sun in a more or less single 'plane',called the ecliptic ,which extends imaginarilly outward into space from the equator of the Sun. The Sun revolves on its own axis at an angle of approximately 7.3 degrees to the ecliptic plane (this is why Sunspots dont usually erupt precisely on the Suns equator, but always withen a narrow range close to it).

The last solar cycle was in 2001, the next will peak in 2012. Each 11 year solar cycle has a peak when the flares are most numerous and intense, and these flares usually erupt withe 7.5 degrees of the 'solar equator'. The precise date of the 'peak' of 'solar maximum' coincides with the last day of the Mayan calender!
Solar flares are thought to be caused by magnetic disturbances on the Suns surface allowing the emenation of emr and particulate radiation as well as intense electron fluxes into space.
A strong flare can result in Coronal Mass Ejection (CME),in which matter from the Sun in the form of plasma can be directed towards a planet, including our own.
Flares can impact mental well being and physical health. Solar activity has been linked to eruptions of warfare and unusual human behavior. An intense solar flare corresponding with bad timing could irradiate Earth , overtaxing the ionosphere and irradiating the surface, as well as 'blowing away' a signifcant part of our atmosphere.
Solar flares and sun spots have an average cycle of 11.12 years and Jupiter has an orbital period of 11.862 years . This is too close to ignore, but there is obvious something else is also affecting the timing of the solar maximum. This is undoubtably attributed to the various orbital periods of the lesser planets, and more importantly the relative position of the Milky Ways' center.

Our solar system will enter the precise galactic plane of the Milky way on December 21, 2012. So the coincidences surrounding this date begin to build on each other.

On the exact date and time that we cross the galactic plane, the solar cycle will be at it's absolute peak, and the Mayan calender ends. But that's not all. Another coincidence involving this date is that not only will the solar system be intersecting with the Galactic Equator, but the Earth will be aligned with the gravitational center of the Galaxy relative to the Sun. The earth will be in a precise 'straight line' drawn from the galactic center to the center of the Sun, in between the two, with Jupiter between Earth and the galactic center. This allignment will cause a much sronger than usual gravitational attraction pulling matter from the Sun expelled during CME's towards the Earth..

December 21, 2012 also represents the worst case scenario possible for solar eruptions . The Mayans obviously knew about this eventual occurance and based thier whole number system on its date because of its importance. This is not a 'doom date', it is a definite eventuality that cannot and will not be avoided.
The worlds' elite are preparing for exactly what I have told you today, and they don't not want you to know it. This post will either be deleted or heavily attacked by an organized group.
'They' think they will ride it out underground and perhaps they will, but I wonder what kind of future it will be with only thier idea of 'acceptable' genes and bloodlines perserved.
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
No
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
actually it's December 22nd 2012, not the 21st.

some new agers decided the Maya had it wrong, that they meant to use the date of the Winter Solstice but just didn't know what day that was so the new ager types 'modified' the long count calendar as we know it to end on a day that they felt was more significant than the day after the Solstice.

idiots

I'm willing to bet that the Maya got it right and chose that day for a reason.
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
The 22nd is NOT the last day on the Mayan calender. THE ERROR IS ON YOUR PART.The precise timing can be determined from as of yet unmentioned solar characteristics, such as rotational period at various solar latitude and the reoccurance of severe flares in specific areas on the SUn's surface.
My prediction is not an estimate based on supposition or an ancient calender, it is a precise sceintific calculation that has repeatedly and consistently predicted severe solar eruptions.
The exact timing of the solar eruption coinciding with the specific allignment descibed above is based entirely on science AND HAS ABSOULTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MAYAN SUN STONE OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT IT ENDS ON THE DAY SCIENCE PREDICTS OUR DEMISE.
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
I was just reading this:
[link to www.mondovista.com]

But then I read this:
[link to www.mondovista.com]

It is over 50 pages. Try not to blink.
This post pending review.
[link to kindagamey.com]
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
I was just reading this:
[link to www.mondovista.com]

But then I read this:
[link to www.mondovista.com]

It is over 50 pages. Try not to blink.
 Quoting: FreshLaundry

Fresh Laundry, you might find it interesting to know (or not) that I do not read the suppositions of others and consider them in my prediction here.MY PERDICTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MAYAN CALENDER! The fact my predicted date of the massive solar eruption coincides with the Mayan calender running out is either coincidental or not, I do not know nor can I tell yoou. To me it looks a bit like the Mayans knew the end date of this present world.
This research I am doing is based soley in my own personal knowledge of science. I do not use theory or conjecture, only well established scientific prinicpals and known facts. I appreciate the offer of information but I find reading the ideas of others clouds my own view of reality to such a degree that it impeads my progress.(Henry Ford had the same opinion)
I like to start from the beginning proving every component is valid before utilizing it in my own prediction.
SO many have came and gone here predicting a date of "doom" and not a single one of them had a shred of scientific knowledge or reality to back it up. My science is solid and well established..
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
I looked over your link out of curiousity and I find an individual that attaempted to interpret and expand upon my own prediction made in 2000, and failed to large degree to understand the basic premise.
I also see he is giving credit to someone else.

He got off on barycenters because they were mentioned in my posts but he didnt understand thier involvement was inconsequencial, in other words he stole my work 7 years ago and expanded upon it with a bit of science fiction.
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
12/21/2012 is the date of the magnetic field reversal....most of U will be dead long before that date.
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
Best book on the subject is here: [link to www.diagnosis2012.co.uk]
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
That is the judgement day because we are already in the tribulation.
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
12/21/2012 is the date of the magnetic field reversal....most of U will be dead long before that date.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 162364

I agree with you on both comments.
Why not expand?
Explain geo and helio magnetic field reversal and predict when it will occur.
You'll see it will most likely be 'down' on the date predicted, that is not well defined polarity or strength, leaving the Earth vene more vulnerable. Of all the doomsday scenarios presented to this forum, this is the one that should actually concern you..
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
It is explained quickly and interestingly here as to why: [link to www.youtube.com]
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
That is the judgement day because we are already in the tribulation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 179644

Although I do not subscribe to its religious dogma, your bible predicts changes in the Sun and great signs in the heavens preceeding the end times.
I'd say this qualifies.
I also think the predictions in the old testament and revelation are based in scientific knowledge known for thousands of years preceeding our existance, and seeded in to make the religion itself seem spot on.
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
I would also like to add that the religious dogma claiming no man can predict the hour but he can predict the approximate timing through astrological signs is false, and intentional disinformation.
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It is explained quickly and interestingly here as to why: [link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 162364

I got a crappy dial up service, loads video clips slower than christmas. Care to give an overview of what was said?
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
If you watched the above youtube (McKenna) video clip, did you notice how he parallels the Reagan to Bush pwr. xfer to the fall of the Roman Empire? hmmmmmm...and his comment "our world is endangered by the absence of consciousness" ? How fitting for today's sheeple......
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
Jesus Never Existed

[link to video.google.com]

[link to www.jesusneverexisted.com]
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
Basically, we are spiraling towards maximum novelty (events) in ever tightening loops which accounts for things becoming more and more "crazy" , culminating in 2012.
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
History keeps repeating itself exponentially, superimposing in ever shorter time periods.......until the end in Dec., 2012....
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McKenna's explanations are beginning to make more and more sense.
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History keeps repeating itself exponentially, superimposing in ever shorter time periods.......until the end in Dec., 2012....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 162364

Perhaps thats why so many well known personalities have appeared to die several times in past decades.
Mister Rodgers comes to mind.
LMAO
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
Best GLP prediction ever!
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Best GLP prediction ever!
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 279501

And the thing is I am almost 100% certain I am right, meaning I will get no chance to tell you I told you so.
I have nothing to gain by making this prediction other than perhaps ridicule from ingnorant critics.
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bump
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
11:11am_GMT_not_12pmEST
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11:11am_GMT_not_12pmEST
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 99906



I think the 11/11 bs is just that. When I was dwelling on it i kept seeing it;like everyone else who was dwelling on it.

But I will say this, the PRECISE timing is very difficult to pin down
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Re: December 21, 2012 @ 12:00pm Eastern Time- Is It The End of the World?
The star trail the nasa has discovered coming from mira may be evidence of what is being discussed here.

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