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Westsail
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9/28/2008 2:29 PM
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Annonymous One: have any good links on 2012, Mayan Calander predeictions? What do you think about it? Quoting: Karma 512617
Not Annonymous One but...
Start here:
[link to video.google.com]
[link to video.google.com]
[link to video.google.com]
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed. -Albert Einstein |
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Anonymous Coward
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10/7/2008 12:19 AM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
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10/7/2008 12:42 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
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Jaspr
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10/22/2008 5:13 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
HA HA HA HA HA HA
This is ridiculous...
Look for this on a credible site and get some real information people... |
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Anonymous Coward
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10/22/2008 5:21 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
The Earth isn't moving - the lithosphere is.
The lithosphere is slipping faster than before - some plates are moving faster than others. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 362665
This is logical. |
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Anonymous Coward
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10/22/2008 5:22 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
I quit as soon as I saw Mayan..
Horse manure, IMHO.. |
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Anonymous Coward
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10/22/2008 5:25 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
5 Pages on this funny shit!
Wow like no one would notice that ! |
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11/4/2008 1:01 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
 ... All of you are so gullible! Star charts are reading the same things they have at the same time
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Win lose or Draw
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4/24/2009 5:13 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Well this subject is very heated and who can really know what information to believe. I think that this conversation for the Na Sayers is not about an additional 26 degree tilt but more about keeping the status quote. They repeat the same crap over and over just like "Hey don't look at that man behind the curtain" in the Wizard of OZ so lets all click our heals together and close our eyes and pretend the earth is the same as it’s always been. These guys are and insult to "average" intelligent people. They either already know it's true and are propaganda disseminators, are so closed minded and live in the dark ages to only believe the main stream media and at all cost must keep the status quos, or the just want to stir up the pot to be heard or are possibly sincere and educated but some what miss guided to never think outside box and by all means never believe your lying eyes. These next statements are just for free thinkers. 1. Never believe either side until each have given their evidence and YOU understand it. 2. Look at all evidence as being true until it can be proven wrong. (Incent until proven guilty). Do not throw out the baby with the bath water. Meaning, just because you don't agree with something and maybe it is dead wrong try to find the good in it. Yea we need the Na Sayers to help us to stay balanced (sometimes they are correct). 3. Above all else remember our world is more a political one than a scientific one. That’s why everyone believed that the world was flat for hundreds of years (the dark ages). Remember Money rules and the Golden rule is of this world is “The ones with the gold makes the rules" and most times they are bad rules for everyone else.  |
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Menow
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4/24/2009 5:15 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Well this subject is very heated and who can really know what information to believe. Quoting: Win lose or Draw 471920
The people who know astronomy, that's who. |
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himself
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4/24/2009 5:26 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Earth wobbles, all the time.
Sometimes wobble factors cancel each other out and the wobble becomes less that a square yard at the pole.
Other times the wobbles add together and earth has a TEMPORARY deviation which might be noticed by someone who is looking at the time.
Astronomers know the wobbles are normal and don't make any big deal about it.
Just like Coast guard might notice wave fronts coincide to form a hundred foot wave and know it's both normal and temporary.
Any deviation would have to be both sudden and long lasting for any astronomer to mention it.
When several wobble factors coincide to increase deviation, lay persons who notice, become concerned that things appear odd.
If they would just look again a few days later, they would no doubt see things are all back in place.
Like my example of passengers on a bus only noticing a sudden swerve, and not a gentle lane change to pass, then pull back to the same lane.
Both sides could declare a truce and respect the viewpoint of the other,
if only some didn't feel they must dominate and force all others to agree with them.
Ah well.
Talk amongst yourselves.
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Menow
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4/24/2009 5:33 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Earth wobbles, all the time.
Sometimes wobble factors cancel each other out and the wobble becomes less that a square yard at the pole.
Other times the wobbles add together and earth has a TEMPORARY deviation which might be noticed by someone who is looking at the time. Quoting: himself
That is absolutely false. All of the known tiny wobbles do not add up to anywhere NEAR enough to be observed without sophisticated equipment. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 548017
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4/24/2009 5:35 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Other times the wobbles add together and earth has a TEMPORARY deviation which might be noticed by someone who is looking at the time. Quoting: himself
Dude, the title of the thread is "Tilt Increased by an additional 26 degrees."
No Fucking Way.
And I don't believe there's any way that the extremely minor wobble variations can be noticed by the naked eye. |
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Win lose or Draw
User ID: 471920
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4/24/2009 8:19 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Well this subject is very heated and who can really know what information to believe.
The people who know astronomy, that's who. Quoting: Menow 405501
Playing Devil’s Advocate, astronomy and astronomers can be made to say or see anything if one is convince or persuaded to see it that way, again, flat world, dark ages. Many astronomers knew the world was round but fear for their lives convince them and others that it was flat.
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Menow
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4/24/2009 8:25 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Well this subject is very heated and who can really know what information to believe.
The people who know astronomy, that's who.
Playing Devil’s Advocate, astronomy and astronomers can be made to say or see anything if one is convince or persuaded to see it that way, again, flat world, dark ages. Many astronomers knew the world was round but fear for their lives convince them and others that it was flat.
1) "Astronomy"- Can't be made to *SAY* anything. It is inanimate.
2) "Astronomers"- AAAALLLLL of them??
2) "Many astronomers knew..." Cite your sources Please. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 548017
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4/24/2009 8:38 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Well this subject is very heated and who can really know what information to believe.
The people who know astronomy, that's who.
Playing Devil’s Advocate, astronomy and astronomers can be made to say or see anything if one is convince or persuaded to see it that way, again, flat world, dark ages. Many astronomers knew the world was round but fear for their lives convince them and others that it was flat.
We're not talking about "Astronomers" with some secret access to esoteric information. We're talking about the firmament which six billion people can look at for themselves every night. IT'S NOT 26 DEGREES OFF. No one needs any equipment to eyeball the North Star and see that. Do you realize how wide 26 degrees is? And as soon as anyone interjects logic into the discussion, suddenly the goal posts massively switch and they're talking about the minute Chandler's wobble, etc. as if that proves the case. And the people standing up for the obvious truth are accused of not being "respectful" of those spreading falsehood and fear. Ridiculous. |
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nomuse (NLI)
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4/24/2009 8:46 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
I think that this conversation for the Na Sayers is not about an additional 26 degree tilt but more about keeping the status quote (sic)... Quoting: Win lose or Draw 471920
Err...so there really is nothing to see, but there's this mean old conspiracy behind all the people who are saying so?
Hey, I'm going to start a massive dis-information campaign claiming the sky is blue! I'm just evil that way... |
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nomuse (NLI)
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4/24/2009 8:57 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Playing Devil’s Advocate, astronomy and astronomers can be made to say or see anything if one is convince or persuaded to see it that way, again, flat world, dark ages. Many astronomers knew the world was round but fear for their lives convince them and others that it was flat. Quoting: Win lose or Draw 471920
Heh. Sometimes on slow days we'd bandy that around at Apollohoax. How would it work, exactly? You go to Sears and pick up a little scope. You point it at the sky. Do they wait for you to tremelously raise your hand at a star party, or call up a local astronomer, or start making suspicious searches on Google? Or is there an rfid on the 'scope and the moment you take it out of the box an agent schedules a moment to drop by and chat with you?
And then what? Are there astronomers who aren't in on the Massive Conspiracy (tm)? Or is everyone who has attended the meanest planetarium show inculcated into the conspiracy? How much do they tell you, anyhow? How do they stop you from being curious?
I mean, if little Julie is coming back from her first star party and some Men In Black stop her on the street with a "Miss, it would be better for you to find a different hobby," wouldn't Julie jump right on to Facebook and tell all her friends about her strange encounter?
Say they chose to frighten her more -- make sure there's no temptation to tell anyone. But there are parents, and school psychologists, and other people who would NOTICE if someone was just told they are on the edge of a secret that could cost their lives. I'm sorry, but most people are simply not good enough to "act normal" under that kind of pressure!
So maybe it's the carrot instead of the stick. What would be the offer, I wonder? Money? A better 'scope? Well, friends would notice that. I mean...there are a lot of people with pretty sucky 'scopes out there. Every amateur I know of has the gear hunger all the time. Not going to buy them off with one 5" Newtonian from Edmund's Scientific!
So maybe they get to know a little of the secret? Oh, there's that Facebook again. You can not tell me that with thousands of people every day getting involved in astronomy, one of them didn't let something slip.
The best route is of course that whatever the Deep Dark Conspiracy is, it is something that only the most sophisticated instruments can detect. That way, you are safe from the inner-city kid with a brand new Galilleoscope, or the crank with his nice home observatory and his ham license.
Except, of course, if the Giant Scary Space Wedgie could only be seen by that top government-owned piece of space hardware, then what the HELL do backyard conspiracy theorists think that can do with a cell-phone camera and some pieces of string? |
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Win lose or Draw
User ID: 471920
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4/24/2009 9:33 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Well this subject is very heated and who can really know what information to believe.
The people who know astronomy, that's who.
Playing Devil’s Advocate, astronomy and astronomers can be made to say or see anything if one is convince or persuaded to see it that way, again, flat world, dark ages. Many astronomers knew the world was round but fear for their lives convince them and others that it was flat.
1) "Astronomy"- Can't be made to *SAY* anything. It is inanimate.
2) "Astronomers"- AAAALLLLL of them??
2) "Many astronomers knew..." Cite your sources Please.
1) It's a Metaphor da, but you knew that.
2) American Astronomical Society, which is the major organization of professional astronomers in North America, has approximately 7000 members. If your not a member and a amateur who's gona take you serious. Certinly not You MENOW. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
3. Flat Earth: The History of an Infamous Idea
By Christine Garwood page:3
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Menow
User ID: 405501
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4/25/2009 12:01 AM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Well this subject is very heated and who can really know what information to believe.
The people who know astronomy, that's who.
Playing Devil’s Advocate, astronomy and astronomers can be made to say or see anything if one is convince or persuaded to see it that way, again, flat world, dark ages. Many astronomers knew the world was round but fear for their lives convince them and others that it was flat.
1) "Astronomy"- Can't be made to *SAY* anything. It is inanimate.
2) "Astronomers"- AAAALLLLL of them??
2) "Many astronomers knew..." Cite your sources Please.
1) It's a Metaphor da, but you knew that.
2) American Astronomical Society, which is the major organization of professional astronomers in North America, has approximately 7000 members. If your not a member and a amateur who's gona take you serious. Certinly not You MENOW. [ link to en.wikipedia.org]
3. Flat Earth: The History of an Infamous Idea
By Christine Garwood page:3
You said that astronomers can be made to say anything. Now you say that no one would listen. Can't make up your mind which foolish obtuse notion you want to push? There are THOUSANDS of astronomers, of all types, posting on DOZENS of astronomy forums across the internet. So are they somehow kept from posting what they think and see or is everyone reading what they say somehow made to not respond?
Your entire premise is just downright stupid. |
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Menow
User ID: 405501
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4/25/2009 12:13 AM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Well this subject is very heated and who can really know what information to believe.
The people who know astronomy, that's who.
Playing Devil’s Advocate, astronomy and astronomers can be made to say or see anything if one is convince or persuaded to see it that way, again, flat world, dark ages. Many astronomers knew the world was round but fear for their lives convince them and others that it was flat.
1) "Astronomy"- Can't be made to *SAY* anything. It is inanimate.
2) "Astronomers"- AAAALLLLL of them??
2) "Many astronomers knew..." Cite your sources Please.
1) It's a Metaphor da, but you knew that.
2) American Astronomical Society, which is the major organization of professional astronomers in North America, has approximately 7000 members. If your not a member and a amateur who's gona take you serious. Certinly not You MENOW. [ link to en.wikipedia.org]
3. Flat Earth: The History of an Infamous Idea
By Christine Garwood page:3
[link to entertainment.timesonline.co.uk]
From The Sunday Times
April 22, 2007
It’s a mad old world
Christopher Hart
FLAT EARTH: The History of an Infamous Idea by Christine Garwood
Macmillan £20 pp436
Up until 1492, when Columbus sailed the ocean blue, everyone believed the earth was flat. Since then, everyone has known better. In fact, as Christine Garwood demonstrates in this quirky and highly entertaining slice of intellectual history, both these statements are false. The Ancient Greeks knew very well that they lived on a globe, while the Flat Earth News ceased publication only in 1988.
Not the least attractive thing about Garwood’s study is her criticism of modern scientists whose arrogant assumption that the present always trumps the past only flatters their self-esteem. She dismisses “supposed Christian closed-mindedness” as a post-Enlightenment myth. The Church was at the forefront of intellectual and scientific discovery for centuries. Indeed, it’s really quite stupid and credulous of us now to believe that most medieval people thought Columbus would fall off the edge of the world. They could see as well as you or I that a ship disappears over the horizon after a few miles, or that during a lunar eclipse, the shadow of the earth on the moon is round. Duh. There was “no mutiny of flat-earth sailors on the Santa Maria”. |
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nomuse (NLI)
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4/25/2009 12:41 AM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Heh.
The last I heard (and I offer it up as pure hearsay, as my memories of a radio interview I heard about a book whose title I've forgotten!) is that Columbus was the idiot here. Both he and his backers believed in a round Earth, but his "heretical" idea was a botched bit of mathematics of his own, that said the Earth was a lot smaller than anyone else thought.
His sailors nearly did revolt, because he was wrong and even they knew better, and if the Americas hadn't been lurking ahead and unknown they damned well would have starved to death on the endless ocean. |
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himself
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4/25/2009 3:01 AM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Earth wobbles, all the time.
Sometimes wobble factors cancel each other out and the wobble becomes less that a square yard at the pole.
Other times the wobbles add together and earth has a TEMPORARY deviation which might be noticed by someone who is looking at the time. Quoting: Me
That is absolutely false. All of the known tiny wobbles do not add up to anywhere NEAR enough to be observed without sophisticated equipment. Quoting: Menow 405501
I've posted link smany times to the professional astronomers who watch the earth's tilt ALL the time.
You are free to disagree with them.
I'd druther promote discussion, and give everyone respect for their opinions.
My field is Engineering, and my degree became obsolete on 09/11/01 when laws of physics were rewritten for political considerations.
Only professional astronomer I ever knew personally discovered Pluto.
Never thought to ask him if professionals should reject amateurs' honest observations,
but he did once point out that Lowell, was both professional, expert and wrong. |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/25/2009 3:05 AM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 283587
If this were true, nothing in space would be in its proper place.
Epic Fail. |
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nomuse (NLI)
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4/25/2009 4:12 AM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
I've posted link smany times to the professional astronomers who watch the earth's tilt ALL the time.
You are free to disagree with them.
I'd druther promote discussion, and give everyone respect for their opinions.
My field is Engineering, and my degree became obsolete on 09/11/01 when laws of physics were rewritten for political considerations.
Only professional astronomer I ever knew personally discovered Pluto.
Never thought to ask him if professionals should reject amateurs' honest observations,
but he did once point out that Lowell, was both professional, expert and wrong. Quoting: himself
Which tilt? The small slow wobbles that mainstream astronomy is entirely willing to own up to, or the drunken 26 degrees and more, bobble in, bobble back, all in an afternoon that the Leider-kin and their ilk post about?
The latter...if you are giving a time table of less than a hundred years for that 26-degree tilt referenced in the thread title, then you must have given up on Engineering after statics but before you got to dynamics. Might want to read up on conservation of angular momentum some time. You know, just in the spirit of digging into the old books again. |
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himself
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4/25/2009 5:58 AM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Even the cwaziest claims need to be examined.
eg:
Rocks do fall from the sky.
True some people have exagerated and even seemingly insane claims, but remember the US Government claims Arabs-in-caves managed to arrange the military standdown on 09/11/01
and that
NORAD, whose radar sees cars on freeways and softball sized objects in orbit
was somehow unable to track & intercept four large jumbo jets that day.
Compared to that whopper of a lie a mere 26 degree tilt is a minor exageration.
What I mostly appreciate is reading some people who seem absolutely obsessed with making everyone conform to their own beliefs.
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nomuse (NLI)
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4/25/2009 6:23 AM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
There's a huge difference between holding a belief and savoring a belief.
I like to charge into mine; to test them, to try them, to see where they lead.
Are you arguing the best way to explore the world is to stay on the trail, without bothering to lift your sunglasses or take the iPod out of your ears; to stand fifty feet from the flower or the waterfall and go "Wow, man, that looks kinda cool from here!"
I want to know, really, what the heck is wrong with running up to the flower and sticking your nose in it? |
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Win lose or Draw
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4/26/2009 2:56 AM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
You said that astronomers can be made to say anything. Now you say that no one would listen. Can't make up your mind which foolish obtuse notion you want to push? There are THOUSANDS of astronomers, of all types, posting on DOZENS of astronomy forums across the internet. So are they somehow kept from posting what they think and see or is everyone reading what they say somehow made to not respond?
Your entire premise is just downright stupid. Quoting: Menow 405501
Listening and Saying something are two separate functions just like walking and chewing gum something I'm sure you have trouble doing. You suppose naively that because of the numbers that someone on his own with no support from his fellow colleagues who have all by this time been told by the powers that be, that this is a matter of national security and to keep their mouths shut for fear of loss of their jobs, credibility, and maybe bodily harm. You think they are going to have a chance to put this stuff out to the public via Normal Channels. You’re a pretty smart guy do you really believe the NSA, CIA, and other agencies do not monitor the NET.
Is all the data on [link to www.divulgence.net] just made up?
Is it all a fake, even the satellite images?
[link to www.divulgence.net]
Do you believe that our governments do not have secrets that they don’t knowingly keep things from the public to control and manipulate the masses? That our politicians and scientist (astronomers included) always tell us the truth about such things? The record of our history bears out that most educated, noble blue blood; elite scum despises the common people. They look down on them as cattle to be herded to the slaughter just because they believe they have the right and they do have the power to do so. This is really my point. I’m sure to you this is all this is “just downright stupid” also.
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4/26/2009 5:59 AM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Other times the wobbles add together and earth has a TEMPORARY deviation which might be noticed by someone who is looking at the time. Quoting: himself
You've got to be kidding.
What a sad indictment on the education levels of people who post here - they know so little about their skies, and spend so little time bothering to observe their environment, that they would believe some twat saying the earth has tilted..
..or that the earth's 'temporary deviations' would be 'noticable'. Yes, there are very tiny and well known, predictable 'wobbles', but someone 'who is looking' would notice them???? Give me a break.
Tell us, 'himself', seeing you keep defending this claim - let's ensure you understand the issue - how many degrees (or parts thereof) do the 'temporary deviations' involve? Be VERY SPECIFIC, given you have blithely claimed they would be noticed by 'someone who was looking'..
So, tell us exactly how would the average observer notice them.
And then I'll CORRECT your information. |
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Menow
User ID: 405501
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4/27/2009 8:23 PM | | Re: EARTH'S AXIS TILT INCREASED BY AN ADDITIONAL 26 DEGREES | Quote |
Earth wobbles, all the time.
Sometimes wobble factors cancel each other out and the wobble becomes less that a square yard at the pole.
Other times the wobbles add together and earth has a TEMPORARY deviation which might be noticed by someone who is looking at the time.
That is absolutely false. All of the known tiny wobbles do not add up to anywhere NEAR enough to be observed without sophisticated equipment.
I've posted link smany times to the professional astronomers who watch the earth's tilt ALL the time. Quoting: himself
"Watch" it"? Watch it with what, their EYES??
You are free to disagree with them.
I'd druther promote discussion, and give everyone respect for their opinions. Quoting: himself
Disagree with them about what? You are claiming that they DON'T use sophisticated equipment to see it?? Link please.
My field is Engineering, and my degree became obsolete on 09/11/01 when laws of physics were rewritten for political considerations. Quoting: himself
Your point?
Only professional astronomer I ever knew personally discovered Pluto. Quoting: himself
Wasn't that Percival Lowell? You knew him?? Your point?
Never thought to ask him if professionals should reject amateurs' honest observations,
but he did once point out that Lowell, was both professional, expert and wrong. Quoting: himself
Huh? I thought the "he" WAS Lowell. What was he allegedly wrong about and what does this have to do with your claim that the normal tiny Earth wobbles can add up to be seen without sophisticated equipment? |
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