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ROGUE 6: LIGHTS OUT User ID: 25 United States 08/17/2007 04:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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Grizzled Old Goat User ID: 283991 Canada 08/17/2007 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "There are many lies circulating in the world, about a dictatorship in Venezuela, about a concentration of power in Venezuela," the president said, insisting that the new constitution realised "a transfer of power to the people". Part of the "transfer of power" will divide Venezuela into federal districts, with power lying in the hands of "communal councils" allied with "worker co-operatives". So ol' Hugo decided to go with the old Soviet model for the subjugation and repression of the Venezuelan people. I really don't think that ANY US administration would be willing to allow another Castroesque thorn-in-the-side - especially one with oil who can actually impact the North American economy.. :F1delChav: |
mathetes (OP) User ID: 281281 United States 08/17/2007 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "There are many lies circulating in the world, about a dictatorship in Venezuela, about a concentration of power in Venezuela," the president said, insisting that the new constitution realised "a transfer of power to the people". Quoting: Grizzled Old GoatPart of the "transfer of power" will divide Venezuela into federal districts, with power lying in the hands of "communal councils" allied with "worker co-operatives". So ol' Hugo decided to go with the old Soviet model for the subjugation and repression of the Venezuelan people. I really don't think that ANY US administration would be willing to allow another Castroesque thorn-in-the-side - especially one with oil who can actually impact the North American economy.. :F1delChav: Curiously all of the Chavez apologists are strangely silent For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
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Normal Is Subjective User ID: 284152 Canada 08/17/2007 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The CIA's Attempts to Destabilize Venezuela The president of Venezuela's RCTV, Eladio Larez,[1] is no stranger to the CIA. In fact, Eladio's contact with the agency goes back nearly twenty years. Back in 1989, Larez helped the CIA funnel money through Venezuela to the Nicaraguan opposition as they worked to topple the Sandinista government through massive violence and destabilization. Larez was actually so kind as to set up a fraudulent foundation in Venezuela, called the National Foundation for Democracy, as a front organization to receive money from the CIA and pass it on to fund the operations of a major opposition newspaper in Nicaragua. [link to www.globalresearch.ca] I thought I'd beat the inevitibility of death to death just a little bit. |
Grizzled Old Goat User ID: 283991 Canada 08/17/2007 06:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whereas bushco would rather do away with that "election" thingy. Quoting: Normal Is SubjectiveTheoretically. Meanwhile - to watch a dictatorship unfold for real, watch Hugo! First muzzle the opposition press - then change the constitution, and so on, and so on.. |
che User ID: 203264 Slovenia 08/17/2007 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 275968 United States 08/17/2007 06:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whereas bushco would rather do away with that "election" thingy. Quoting: Normal Is SubjectiveChavez is beating Bush this way and Bush is not going to be a President for life, unlike the morons who say so. Venezuelans won't have much of a choice in the future if Chavez's going for the full house effects. |
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mathetes (OP) User ID: 281281 United States 08/17/2007 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know, people can be such pushovers. The average IQ is too small to have any meaningful critical thinking skills so it's a wonder we still vote for our leaders here in the U.S. Obviously the Venezuelans could care less as long as the wealthy get kicked off their land, they may still be poor and living on dirt but at least those wealthy people are poor now as well??? I mean, that's essentially all Chavez is doing, he's robbing the wealthy free-market system in the name of poor and the poor eat it up even though they get NOTHING out of it. Quoting: The Monk 274840Monk you are a wise man For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
che User ID: 203264 Slovenia 08/17/2007 07:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know, people can be such pushovers. The average IQ is too small to have any meaningful critical thinking skills so it's a wonder we still vote for our leaders here in the U.S. Obviously the Venezuelans could care less as long as the wealthy get kicked off their land, they may still be poor and living on dirt but at least those wealthy people are poor now as well??? I mean, that's essentially all Chavez is doing, he's robbing the wealthy free-market system in the name of poor and the poor eat it up even though they get NOTHING out of it. Quoting: The Monk 274840wrong thinking poor people get bloodsucked by the rich. everywhere. where there is no rich, only the state sucks blood from the poor. so they r not rich, but they still have some blood left, whereas in capitalist system, there s no blood left, actually, judging by the us, there r even no balls left. u may drown in your brainwashed illusions, but i m for socialism any time |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 284212 United States 08/17/2007 07:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't care much for Chavez. However, US style 'capitalism' is really breaking down here at home as multinational corporations have more loyalty to profits than people. The US wants a privatized oil industry in Venezuela so that the US can rape the country of its own natural resources. Chavez's socialism will not work either as giving money to the poor keeps them in the gutter while the rich flee with what they can hang onto. There should be a balance between profit maximization and prosperity for people, and neither capitalistic nor socialistic systems achieve this, whether it is corporate or governmental boardrooms making the decisions. As economies of scale necessitate large business ventures, there exists also the opportunity for increased employment. The problem common to both paradigms is greed, whether for money or power, and there is no political or economic remedy for man's own inherent deficiencies. |
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anonanon User ID: 269684 United States 08/17/2007 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Too bad Mr. Penn didn't ask him to release the journalists he has jailed who oppose this little tyrant. He is probably assuming that Castro is going to leave him Cuba in his will. Well, as I recall the 50's and 60's, there was a revolution of the month in South America - sometimes with an assassination and sometimes not, but always violent and followed by a military dictatorship. Since he has become President there, more and more foreign investors are going elsewhere with their money and sooner or later, he will have the economic woes that Cuba has where the main mode of transportation is a 50 year old bicycle or a well-fed donkey. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 284176 United Kingdom 08/17/2007 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whereas bushco would rather do away with that "election" thingy. Quoting: Grizzled Old GoatTheoretically. Meanwhile - to watch a dictatorship unfold for real, watch Hugo! First muzzle the opposition press - then change the constitution, and so on, and so on.. Already been done in the US... which is why Bush is still President and hasn't been impeached. |
Grizzled Old Goat User ID: 284236 Canada 08/17/2007 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But Sean Penn loves him! Quoting: anonanonToo bad Mr. Penn didn't ask him to release the journalists he has jailed who oppose this little tyrant. He is probably assuming that Castro is going to leave him Cuba in his will. :ducelaf: For God's sake don't give them any ideas! |
Grizzled Old Goat User ID: 284236 Canada 08/17/2007 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whereas bushco would rather do away with that "election" thingy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 284176Theoretically. Meanwhile - to watch a dictatorship unfold for real, watch Hugo! First muzzle the opposition press - then change the constitution, and so on, and so on.. Already been done in the US... which is why Bush is still President and hasn't been impeached. More far-left hyperbole. If any President ever becomes a dictator - everyone will know it - it won't be a secret between you and your pals.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 284216 China 08/17/2007 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But Sean Penn loves him! Quoting: anonanonToo bad Mr. Penn didn't ask him to release the journalists he has jailed who oppose this little tyrant. He is probably assuming that Castro is going to leave him Cuba in his will. Well, as I recall the 50's and 60's, there was a revolution of the month in South America - sometimes with an assassination and sometimes not, but always violent and followed by a military dictatorship. Since he has become President there, more and more foreign investors are going elsewhere with their money and sooner or later, he will have the economic woes that Cuba has where the main mode of transportation is a 50 year old bicycle or a well-fed donkey. You know the usa was behind those "revolutions of the month", right? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 259429 United States 08/17/2007 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's amazing that several months ago, Chavez was being applauded by many low income Americans as he was responsible for having their monthly energy bills decreased or their vision improved. Limited term of power is essential as a lubricant for the political wheels. That said, Chavez is no exception. |
anti fascist User ID: 276124 Canada 08/17/2007 08:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The unbounded hypocracy of the US imperialist, holier than thou mindset, never ceases to amaze me. On the one hand Yanks abhore anything not their own: a wasteful consumerized, corporate governing, kleptocratic model of development (while offering nothing better), and on the other hand they disparage a democracy because the majority are supposedly too ignorant to know what's good for them. But of course, the Yanks continue to stroke their bloated egos as all wise, as all superior; unfortunately a thoroughly brainwashed population, predictably turning a blind eye to the rape and pillage of their bloodsucking economic and military elites (for said population knows, inherently, instinctively, who and why and what sweetens their lolli-pops). Given these truths, Why dont you mind your own business? And if not, than live or die honorably... Whatever... |
Normal Is Subjective User ID: 284152 Canada 08/17/2007 08:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whereas bushco would rather do away with that "election" thingy. Quoting: Grizzled Old GoatTheoretically. Meanwhile - to watch a dictatorship unfold for real, watch Hugo! First muzzle the opposition press - then change the constitution, and so on, and so on.. Already been done in the US... which is why Bush is still President and hasn't been impeached. More far-left hyperbole. If any President ever becomes a dictator - everyone will know it - it won't be a secret between you and your pals.. Between Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 and Reagan, the blizzard of E.O.s provide ample "legislative" framework for that dictatorship, all that's required is a "new (improved) Pearl Harbour" and the continued suspension of disbelief that it could happen here. I thought I'd beat the inevitibility of death to death just a little bit. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74711 United States 08/17/2007 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it's a shame Chavez can't be president for life of America. This place would be a lot more like the America I remember if he were running it. Think of how cool it would be... wow the mind boggles. what a great idea. but we're stuck with the fucking devil and he wants to be emperor of the world. We need Chavez! Viva nationalization of oil companies! fuck the billionaires, they're murders hiding behind a mask of respectability that is so steeped in hypocrisy they have to invent a phony private world to live in. celebrate life! |
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anti fascist User ID: 276124 Canada 08/17/2007 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prez for life? if elected every seven years, or if not impreached, that is,,, ===In a move vehemently opposed by Venezuelan opposition parties, Chavez also proposed an amendment to article 203, which would allow for unlimited presidential re-elections, (countries such as France, Australia, Germany, and England allow for unlimited reelection), a move the opposition claims would lead to ‘dictatorship’. The proposed change would also extend presidential terms from six to seven years.=== snip New Geometry of Power Outlining his far-reaching proposal for transforming the Venezuelan state, Chavez called for “a new geometry of power.” Key to this is an amendment to article 16 in the constitution, which states; “The national territory is divided into states, the Capital District, federal dependencies and federal territories. The territory is organized in Municipalities” to be replaced by; “The territorial political division will be determined by the organic law that guarantees municipal autonomy and political decentralization.” Declaring that, “regionalism, is dogma, that impedes change, [and] we can not accept situations that create Caudillos,” he said the new law would allow for the creation, through popular referendum, of “federal districts” in specific areas, which could then be categorized as states and assigned all or part of the respective territory. This proposal, he maintained, is “profoundly revolutionary,” and necessary “to remove the old oligarchic, exploiter hegemony, the old society, and, in the words of Gramsci, to weaken the old “historic block.” “If we don’t change the superstructure, the old superstructure will defeat us,” he continued. The proposal also allows municipalities, “with the acceptance of the people within the municipality,” to create territory or land in common, which would be under the direct government of the community and, according to Chavez, would constitute “the basic nucleus of the socialist state.” Chavez also said unions or federations of self-governing communes, could be created through popular referendum, through the communal councils, and aggregations of communal councils. Additionally, through the incorporation of the social missions into the constitution, “functional districts,” could be also be created by one or more municipalities, where the social missions would function as alternative administrations to the traditional bureaucratic institutions. Chavez declared it was necessary to re-order the country in view of increasing population growth, saying, “one day Venezuela will have 40-50 million people.” In light of this, he argued it was also necessary to “restructure Caracas,” in terms of urban development, construction of roads, environmental recuperation and measures to achieve the optimal levels of public and personal security, strengthen systems of health, education, sport and culture, as well as the formation of small and medium satellite cities. Another key aspect of the “new geometry of power” would be the ability of the president to declare special military zones in any part of the country with the strategic aim of defense, and decree special authorities in situations of contingency such as natural disasters. Popular Power In addition to the previously existing “public powers” recognized in the constitution such as the judiciary, legislative, executive and so on, Chavez also called for the incorporation of “popular power” into article 70, saying there was a need to decentralize and transfer power to the organized communities to create the best conditions for socialist democracy. Article 70, Chavez assured, would also “reaffirm means of participation and protagonism of the people in direct exercise of their sovereignty for the construction of socialism,” through election to public positions, referendums, popular consultation, recall of elected officials (including the president), constitutional legislative initiatives, and open assemblies. “Sovereignty rests with the people,” Chavez continued, “and should be exercised directly through the organs of popular power.” According to Chavez, popular power would be expressed through “the organized communities,” in various forms such as the communes, self-government of the towns and cities, the communal councils, workers councils, campesino councils, student councils, and others councils indicated in the law. [link to www.venezuelanalysis.com] ==== Venezuela ia a dynamic experiment in democracy. Something the stodgy 250 year old experiment of the US could learn from.... Oh please!, let's NOT hear ad nauseum the US apologists ramble on and on about their fantasies and overblown myths... Show me, as Venezuela clearly shows by example, how you can inject dynamism into democracy... If not, than step aside, shuddup and listen to others teach you a lesson in human decency, fairness and justice for all... |
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