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ZetaTalk - On Paid Debunkers

 
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How about that the earth has been stopped in its orbit for two years...do you REALLY believe that...even though anyone with a first grade astronomical education can walk outside and plainly see that this is not true?
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I see you are making a big deal out of my comment that there is a high intelligence behind zetatalk. I have said, for years, that Nancy is "channelling". I have quite a bit of experinece with that phenomenon, having known several "channels" for many years.

OK - we *ARE* getting somewhere! I too have a great deal of experience with channelling, and have found channels to be both EXTREMELY informative, PROFOUND, and also extremely and profoundly FRUSTRATING at times.

 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


By the way, I said that I have known several "channels" for many years. When you say that You "...too have a great deal of experience with channelling...", does that mean you have simply READ a bunch of channelled material?
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Well, I am done discussing this ,


Menow,circuit-breaker,prof-rabbit are clearly paid debunkers
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And your proof of this is? What's that? You don't have any? So, you expect others to believe someone gets paid to be here simply based on what you think? You're obviously paid to support Nancy. And I take it you're done discussing it because you're losing the debate...considering you've provided nothing to support your claims.
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Couldn't follow some of that, but I would like to understand. What were you saying with: "Anything that's TRULY obvious, I don't touch and waste my time with."?
Are you now admitting that there are obvious false claims in zetatalk?


Sure - anything before 2003 that forecasts a pole shift in 2003.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



Well. Then I guess we are back to asking you why you won't discuss apparent rotation.

Also. Why should I bother to write answers to your other points in a post if you are just going to ignore my responses?

I generally try to answer most all of your specific points, but you seem to ignore some 50-75% of mine. Why is that?
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How about that the earth has been stopped in its orbit for two years...do you REALLY believe that...even though anyone with a first grade astronomical education can walk outside and plainly see that this is not true?
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on the other hand one last clarification.




The earth did not stop in it's orbit for 2 years, it did so FOR few minutes, THAT you would possibly not notice.


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this 4 minutes is not being shorted now that the Earth is halted in her orbit. The Earth is moving a tad faster each day, to sync her noon positions to be facing the Sun. She is clicking to things in the Sun which attract things in the Earth, which is why her daily rotation has been so very very steady. It is not Newton's theory about motion, once started not degrading, a silly notion when one thinks about it.
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The paid disinformation meddlers are saying the earth halted in it's orbit permanently , not NANCY/Zetas, it only did so for minutes.


The paid disinformation meddlers are saying the earth halted in it's orbit permanently , not NANCY/Zetas, it only did so for minutes.

The paid disinformation meddlers are saying the earth halted in it's orbit permanently , not NANCY/Zetas, it only did so for minutes.

The paid disinformation meddlers are saying the earth halted in it's orbit permanently , not NANCY/Zetas, it only did so for minutes.

The paid disinformation meddlers are saying the earth halted in it's orbit permanently , not NANCY/Zetas, it only did so for minutes.

The paid disinformation meddlers are saying the earth halted in it's orbit permanently , not NANCY/Zetas, it only did so for minutes.

The paid disinformation meddlers are saying the earth halted in it's orbit permanently , not NANCY/Zetas, it only did so for minutes.
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Well, I am done discussing this ,


Menow,circuit-breaker,prof-rabbit are clearly paid debunkers and if you don't believe me then you probably don't believe 9/11 was a conspiracy either, despite Alex Jones's, pin-point ACCURATE prediction 2 months prior......

Denial is a defense mechanism I understand.


Case closed to me, as far as the punishment goes, Australia flooded.
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Curious, since you haven't done any actual "discussing" up to now.
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Couldn't follow some of that, but I would like to understand. What were you saying with: "Anything that's TRULY obvious, I don't touch and waste my time with."?
Are you now admitting that there are obvious false claims in zetatalk?


Sure - anything before 2003 that forecasts a pole shift in 2003.



Well. Then I guess we are back to asking you why you won't discuss apparent rotation.

Also. Why should I bother to write answers to your other points in a post if you are just going to ignore my responses?

I generally try to answer most all of your specific points, but you seem to ignore some 50-75% of mine. Why is that?
 Quoting: Menow 146151


Because that's the bunkers' way. Try to ignore what you can't debate.
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The paid disinformation meddlers are saying the earth halted in it's orbit permanently , not NANCY/Zetas, it only did so for minutes.
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Care to try again? Here's a quote directly from ZetaTalk that clearly says "Earth halted in orbit"

"The last arm swept by Earth around Dec 25, the next expected by the anxious humans watching the drama to start around Feb 9, 2004. Each sweep causes the Earth to move forward toward Planet X, and the monster moving in a retrograde orbit to jump over the arm toward Earth, suddenly. The last sweep halted the Earth in her orbit"

And she continues to maintain this belief, even though it has been demonstrated to be false.
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I see you are making a big deal out of my comment that there is a high intelligence behind zetatalk. I have said, for years, that Nancy is "channelling". I have quite a bit of experinece with that phenomenon, having known several "channels" for many years.

OK - we *ARE* getting somewhere! I too have a great deal of experience with channelling, and have found channels to be both EXTREMELY informative, PROFOUND, and also extremely and profoundly FRUSTRATING at times.



By the way, I said that I have known several "channels" for many years. When you say that You "...too have a great deal of experience with channelling...", does that mean you have simply READ a bunch of channelled material?
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Nope - have known at least half-a-dozen. None you would know. All have stopped years ago and most were never comfortable at any point with the phenomena. Most I assisted with hypnosis in eliciting the phenomena. Techniques were learned from Dick Sutphen - ever hear of him?
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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Couldn't follow some of that, but I would like to understand. What were you saying with: "Anything that's TRULY obvious, I don't touch and waste my time with."?
Are you now admitting that there are obvious false claims in zetatalk?


Sure - anything before 2003 that forecasts a pole shift in 2003.



Well. Then I guess we are back to asking you why you won't discuss apparent rotation.

Also. Why should I bother to write answers to your other points in a post if you are just going to ignore my responses?

I generally try to answer most all of your specific points, but you seem to ignore some 50-75% of mine. Why is that?
 Quoting: Menow 146151


One word - TIME. Not enough of it. Responses that require time and preparation get put off until opportunity arises. Believe it or not, I have other responsibilities.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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But you have time to post banal pictures.
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But you have time to post banal pictures.
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Yep - they're easy.

_banal_
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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By the way, I said that I have known several "channels" for many years. When you say that You "...too have a great deal of experience with channelling...", does that mean you have simply READ a bunch of channelled material?


Nope - have known at least half-a-dozen. None you would know. All have stopped years ago and most were never comfortable at any point with the phenomena. Most I assisted with hypnosis in eliciting the phenomena. Techniques were learned from Dick Sutphen - ever hear of him?
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


The name is vaguely familiar. I am familiar with hypnosis having the ability to invoke "channelling". That's how I first was exposed to the phenomenon. Someone I knew was a hypnosis practitioner and she and her friends were "piddling around" with putting people under and seeing where they could send them. They began to have "entities" come through. Long story short, they eventually found out that some of the "entities" would say whatever would get a rise out of the listeners, and some were simply chronic liars. It never was entirely clear what/who some of the entities were, but I can assure any readers that the people doing the hypnotic "channelling" were not all consciously FAKING the phenomenon. You must have seen a "chronic liar" entity come through by now. You also must have seen that people can become "possessed" by a channelled entity. This is what I have long said is the case with Nancy Lieder. I have also seen a "channel" become obsessed with "always right", as Nancy is.
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I generally try to answer most all of your specific points, but you seem to ignore some 50-75% of mine. Why is that?


One word - TIME. Not enough of it. Responses that require time and preparation get put off until opportunity arises. Believe it or not, I have other responsibilities.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Yeah, except that I have mentioned apparent rotation to you, and what it proves, maybe 25 times and you have yet to even acknowledge it.
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anotherd day, same stupid sutff.

stupid
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By the way, I said that I have known several "channels" for many years. When you say that You "...too have a great deal of experience with channelling...", does that mean you have simply READ a bunch of channelled material?

Nope - have known at least half-a-dozen. None you would know. All have stopped years ago and most were never comfortable at any point with the phenomena. Most I assisted with hypnosis in eliciting the phenomena. Techniques were learned from Dick Sutphen - ever hear of him?

The name is vaguely familiar. I am familiar with hypnosis having the ability to invoke "channelling". That's how I first was exposed to the phenomenon. Someone I knew was a hypnosis practitioner and she and her friends were "piddling around" with putting people under and seeing where they could send them. They began to have "entities" come through. Long story short, they eventually found out that some of the "entities" would say whatever would get a rise out of the listeners, and some were simply chronic liars.

 Quoting: Menow 160217


"entities" are souls - and people are souls (at least "sparked" ones anyway - [that's another discussion]) so the fact that many may "lie" and "tease" and act haughty and pompous and pontificate - oh - LIKE PEOPLE, is not at all surprising. Death does not transform a soul - it's maturity level stays consistent.

It never was entirely clear what/who some of the entities were, but I can assure any readers that the people doing the hypnotic "channelling" were not all consciously FAKING the phenomenon.

 Quoting: Menow 160217


On this point, I agree COMPLETELY.

You must have seen a "chronic liar" entity come through by now. You also must have seen that people can become "possessed" by a channelled entity.

 Quoting: Menow 160217


I have. Again, not unlike flesh-and-blood people. As for possession, I have witnessed some temporary takeovers, and even one multiple personality. All fascinating and hazard-prone stuff - you can be sure! It's definitely NOT a game.

This is what I have long said is the case with Nancy Lieder. I have also seen a "channel" become obsessed with "always right", as Nancy is.

 Quoting: Menow 160217


CHANNELS??? My ***FATHER*** was obsessed with "always being right" - could never admit a mistake. My WIFE is obsessed with always being right - I can't remember the last time she admitted a mistake. My first wife was no different. Heck, MOST PEOPLE are hesitant to admit mistakes - humility is a MINORITY trait in this world. GREAT HUMILITY is downright RARE. The fact that Nancy might hesitate to air her foibles and missteps and occasional poor judgment with FANFARE doesn't make her unusual, on the contrary - IT MAKES HER ***QUITE*** NORMAL.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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"entities" are souls - and people are souls (at least "sparked" ones anyway - [that's another discussion]) so the fact that many may "lie" and "tease" and act haughty and pompous and pontificate - oh - LIKE PEOPLE, is not at all surprising. Death does not transform a soul - it's maturity level stays consistent.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Well, you are speaking of "discarnates". Those who have "lived" and died. That is ONE class of entity. It is not the ONLY class of entity.

It never was entirely clear what/who some of the entities were, but I can assure any readers that the people doing the hypnotic "channelling" were not all consciously FAKING the phenomenon.

On this point, I agree COMPLETELY.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Good. However, most people who think Nancy is a positive source of info would insist that all "debunkers" say that "channelling" is bunk. It's true that most debunkers would say that all "channelling" is FAKE. Neither one of those opinions is necessarily accurate. Perhaps you will realize, through this, that I am not really as "closed- minded" as you thought I was.


You must have seen a "chronic liar" entity come through by now. You also must have seen that people can become "possessed" by a channelled entity.

I have. Again, not unlike flesh-and-blood people. As for possession, I have witnessed some temporary takeovers, and even one multiple personality. All fascinating and hazard-prone stuff - you can be sure! It's definitely NOT a game.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Agreed.



This is what I have long said is the case with Nancy Lieder. I have also seen a "channel" become obsessed with "always right", as Nancy is.

CHANNELS??? My ***FATHER*** was obsessed with "always being right" - could never admit a mistake. My WIFE is obsessed with always being right - I can't remember the last time she admitted a mistake. My first wife was no different. Heck, MOST PEOPLE are hesitant to admit mistakes - humility is a MINORITY trait in this world. GREAT HUMILITY is downright RARE. The fact that Nancy might hesitate to air her foibles and missteps and occasional poor judgment with FANFARE doesn't make her unusual, on the contrary - IT MAKES HER ***QUITE*** NORMAL.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Well, I meant that the "channel" was obsessed with the idea that the information coming through them was from entities who are "always right". The difference with Nancy, in this, is her obsessive willingness to lie shamelessly, in public, to cover up "zeta" errors(lies). She does this in the face of MASSIVE evidence of BLATANT errors(lies). Then, the bizarre part of all this is that you, and others, join WITH her in agreement that the "zetas" are never wrong, even when it is obvious that they are STUPIDLY wrong. This is not to say that whatever "zetas" is, is stupid. Not at all. It's just that the claims they make in fleshing out this zetatalk story are just STUPIDLY false.

If you see that Nancy can't admit any zeta error(lie), don't you see how that means she would lie about it? She has. Over and over and over and over and over again.
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The uneducated debunkers are here to prove once and for all ZetaMax's message is very real.

Uneducated? Please, we prove everyday we're more educated than you. Shall I bring up the list of challenges you're afraid to address? If you were as "educated" as you claim, explaining them or proving them would be real easy for you. The fact that you run away each time they're brought up, proves how weak your position is.

_banal_


How ironic! How banal is it to post a bunch of silly pictures while running away from the bunkers' challange?
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There was "initial hope for ***zitamaxy*** but as is the usual case "IT" 1rof1 just turns out to be one of "these"...... Zetabonka.

So in summation....ALL the Bonkers know how to do is to mimic da LIEDer 1rof1(Funny that scratching)....while the VICTORIOUS DEBUNKERS....are the MASTERS OF CRITICAL THINKING.....end stop.

yes_sir....NOOOOOOO amount of "mud" slinging and pathetic innuendo....WILL EVER make the invisible planet or the HOLOGRAPHIC 1rof1 poleshift appear in 3rd dimension planet earth REALITY!!

It PAINS the BONKERS sooooooooo much to be DEFEATED at every posting on GLP that they sit behind their keyboards in total anguish....repeating their ONLY comforting words.... :Bunker_Con:

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OMG - YOU'RE RIGHT!!! HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO WRONG!!!

:_liberty:

Yea right!!

:yawn__:
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



Uhh... You DID say this. Here is the quote. As I said, it is obvously meant sarcastically, but you DID say it. Should I adopt it as my signature?
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How about that the earth has been stopped in its orbit for two years...do you REALLY believe that...even though anyone with a first grade astronomical education can walk outside and plainly see that this is not true?



on the other hand one last clarification.




The earth did not stop in it's orbit for 2 years, it did so FOR few minutes, THAT you would possibly not notice.


"
this 4 minutes is not being shorted now that the Earth is halted in her orbit. The Earth is moving a tad faster each day, to sync her noon positions to be facing the Sun. She is clicking to things in the Sun which attract things in the Earth, which is why her daily rotation has been so very very steady. It is not Newton's theory about motion, once started not degrading, a silly notion when one thinks about it.
"


The paid disinformation meddlers are saying the earth halted in it's orbit permanently , not NANCY/Zetas, it only did so for minutes.
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God, you're stupid.

The 4 minutes is the amount that the length of each day would be altered if Earth was halted in orbit. Nancy certainly DOES claim that Earth has been halted in orbit since that time. I think December '05? '04? '03? In fact, she says it has backed up!
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"entities" are souls - and people are souls (at least "sparked" ones anyway - [that's another discussion]) so the fact that many may "lie" and "tease" and act haughty and pompous and pontificate - oh - LIKE PEOPLE, is not at all surprising. Death does not transform a soul - it's maturity level stays consistent.


Well, you are speaking of "discarnates". Those who have "lived" and died. That is ONE class of entity. It is not the ONLY class of entity.

 Quoting: Menow 186092


Quite true, as anyone who has read the adventures of Ed and Lorrain Warren (which I have) can attest to.

It never was entirely clear what/who some of the entities were, but I can assure any readers that the people doing the hypnotic "channelling" were not all consciously FAKING the phenomenon.

On this point, I agree COMPLETELY.

Good. However, most people who think Nancy is a positive source of info would insist that all "debunkers" say that "channelling" is bunk. It's true that most debunkers would say that all "channelling" is FAKE. Neither one of those opinions is necessarily accurate. Perhaps you will realize, through this, that I am not really as "closed- minded" as you thought I was.

 Quoting: Menow 186092


Your admitting that channelling in your opinion was not fake was a bit of a surprise - I'll admit. A pleasant surprise - I'll also confess. Yes - I'll offer that you're *not* as closed minded as I earlier thought. (We have a ways to go though on that!)

Well, I meant that the "channel" was obsessed with the idea that the information coming through them was from entities who are "always right".

The difference with Nancy, in this, is her obsessive willingness to lie shamelessly, in public, to cover up "zeta" errors(lies). She does this in the face of MASSIVE evidence of BLATANT errors(lies).

 Quoting: Menow 186092


Prior to 2003, it would have been pretty tough to call Nancy a lier, since nothing she said about Planet X could be verified with certainty other than what could be gleaned from the likes of Velikovsky and Sitchen (whom I have read and consider GREAT men). Once the events of May 2003 played out, it was apparent to EVERYONE - including and ESPECIALLY Nancy, that the Zetas had pulled a MAJOR FAST ONE on everyone - INCLUDING HER. So all of your BLATANT lie claims stem from 2003 and lack of a pole shift and widespread sightings of PX - and the information coming through Nancy since then. Obviously, Nancy was placed in an EXTREMELY DIFFICULT position. Of course that gets VERY LITTLE sympathy from anyone - kind of like all the Germans who suffered at the end of WWII - VERY LITTLE SYMPATHY. Still, many a German at the end of the war suffered JUST AS MUCH as any Jew or Russian earlier in the war - something most folks consider to be "just deserts". But consider, how is an ailing German grandmother more or less "deserving" of wanton cruelty than the typical Russian grandmother or typical Jewish grandmother? Women in ALL of those societies had very little if any power or control in their collective societies. Really, where's the difference?? At some level, SUFFERING is SUFFERING.

Nancy was the victim of a MAJOR bait and switch. Such behavior IS and SHOULD BE universally condemned UNLESS THERE IS A VERY GOOD, COMPELLING REASON FOR IT. Still, putting that to the side for the moment, Nancy found herself in the center of one of the biggest "scandals" that one could contemplate. How many people YOU KNOW would have resisted the temptation to put the most positive spin on it??? I think she did REMARKABLY WELL when you consider the position she found herself in. Try to walk in someone else's shoes - even and especially if they're Nancy's! In May of 2003 - IT SUCKED TO BE HER!!

Then, the bizarre part of all this is that you, and others, join WITH her in agreement that the "zetas" are never wrong,

 Quoting: Menow 186092


WOA!! STOP RIGHT THERE!! I ***NEVER*** said the Zetas were ---NEVER--- wrong!!!

_absurd

even when it is obvious that they are STUPIDLY wrong. This is not to say that whatever "zetas" is, is stupid. Not at all. It's just that the claims they make in fleshing out this zetatalk story are just STUPIDLY false.

 Quoting: Menow 186092


There's a difference between DOUBTFUL and FALSE. It's safer and saner "to be in doubt" than DENIAL

den_ial

And you call -ME- a "fundamentalist" - SHEESH!!

If you see that Nancy can't admit any zeta error(lie), don't you see how that means she would lie about it? She has. Over and over and over and over and over again.

 Quoting: Menow 186092


And just what would you have her do??? Cop YOUR attitude and fight with the Zetas?? I'm SURE SHE WANTED TO in 2003!

BUT - as much as YOU don't like it, the Zetas offered a "justification" for their behavior, and I have said it before - I FIND THE JUSTIFICATION - THE NEED TO DISCOMBOBULATE THE ELITE BEHIND THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION - ***COMPELLING***. If ***I*** find it persuasive, why shouldn't Nancy??
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Zetamax:

What proof do you have that any of the debunkers are paid to perform such a service. Any canceled checks, ties back to the government, 1099's, etc?

If you think anyone is paid to debunk Nancy, you're paranoid to think so. Maybe the debunkers enjoy debunking Nancy...sort of a public service to dispel ignorance and generally educate those who have fallen under her spell.
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I don't touch and waste my time with."?
Are you now admitting that there are obvious false claims in zetatalk?
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Sure - anything before 2003 that forecasts a pole shift in 2003.
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How about all the braying that Nancy did in insisting that ALL of the precursor events took place exactly on time FOR a May2003 poleshift. Debunkers said that things like: "World-wide crop failures for two years going into the poleshift" did NOT happen, as the "zetas" predicted. Nancy shreiked that such comments were only part of the coverup. Who was right?

Nancy pointed to mucho fraudulent data allegedly proving that everything from "imploding buildings" to "failing satellites" to "dramatic increase in earthquakes" happened, as predicted, for the two years preceding the poleshift.

Problem: The poleshift never happened, so the "two years" preceding it didn't really take place either. Why did Nancy insist that all that stuff happened, when it really didn't? Why? Because she HAD to in order for the "zetas" to be RIGHT! She simply lied. Of course, so did the "zetas".
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OK - we *ARE* getting somewhere! I too have a great deal of experience with channelling, and have found channels to be both EXTREMELY informative, PROFOUND, and also extremely and profoundly FRUSTRATING at times. Other than ZetaTalk, my all time favorite channeled material is "Messages from Michael" - amazing jaw-dropping stuff that I still rank as one of the best set of books EVER written. Since it is almost PURE philosophy and soul typing with almost no forays into prophecy - it is a body of work that has flown under the radar for the most part.

All channeled work must of course be regarded skeptically - and in spite of your accusations to the contrary - I DO APPROACH ZETATALK with PLENTY of healthy skepticism. Hence, my readiness and extreme willingness to say "I DON'T KNOW" - frequently, and fervently. To me that is healthier and saner than "I BELIEVE" and "I DON'T BELIEVE".

As I've said before - "BELIEF" is not required for discussion --OR-- ****INTEREST****.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

Somewhere in the Michael material is a reference to Frank Herbert's "Dune"....
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Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit...
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If secrets are like garbage... How do I throw them away?
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I don't make threats...Only promisses!
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That is the Wyrding Way.
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In subspace everyone can hear you scream!
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Zetamax:

What proof do you have that any of the debunkers are paid to perform such a service. Any canceled checks, ties back to the government, 1099's, etc?

If you think anyone is paid to debunk Nancy, you're paranoid to think so. Maybe the debunkers enjoy debunking Nancy...sort of a public service to dispel ignorance and generally educate those who have fallen under her spell.
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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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Zetamax:

What proof do you have that any of the debunkers are paid to perform such a service. Any canceled checks, ties back to the government, 1099's, etc?

If you think anyone is paid to debunk Nancy, you're paranoid to think so. Maybe the debunkers enjoy debunking Nancy...sort of a public service to dispel ignorance and generally educate those who have fallen under her spell.

 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


That's the best you can do? Pretty damn lame response. Just proves to all that you are blowing smoke and have no proof.

A response like that shows that you are quite immature.
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Zetamax:

What proof do you have that any of the debunkers are paid to perform such a service. Any canceled checks, ties back to the government, 1099's, etc?

If you think anyone is paid to debunk Nancy, you're paranoid to think so. Maybe the debunkers enjoy debunking Nancy...sort of a public service to dispel ignorance and generally educate those who have fallen under her spell.



That's the best you can do? Pretty damn lame response. Just proves to all that you are blowing smoke and have no proof.

A response like that shows that you are quite immature.
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Yea - and just where am I supposed to get someone else's 1099's??? Especially when it is probable that such people are off the "books" to begin with. You think thier tax returns would be publicly available - like the President's??

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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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Its always fun to pretend in things that dont really exist. Remember when you were a kid and played Vampire with your little friends? or maybe you played Star wars and got to dress up like an Alien. Of course we all grow up, and learn that in life the farfetched unreal monsters of ourr childhood dont truly exist.There is no boogie man hiding under the bed or in the closet.Yet even as adults we tend to let our better judgement get the best of us when it comes to wanting to believe. I will be one of the first to admit that I'd like to know 100% all of the facts behind Area 51 and roswell and Underground Alien bases.Theres a side to us that lets our imaginations run wild and allows us to slip back to that kid who played vampire for just a little bit when we see stories about UFO's and hear about Aliens. However, it is something else entirely when someone proclaiming to have contact with an alien races comes forward and is unable to give any actual evidence.Do the aliens want this person to go through life being ridiculed? Why would they be so hateful and hurtful if thet had mankinds best intrests in mind? Why would they allow this person to be treated so shamefully when all they would have to do is give the person one object that could show the world she wasnt insane.
It's fun to pretend.But there is a line,an invisible line drawn in the sands of reality that force anyone with common sense to see this person as being just an obsessed and very ill individual who will eventually do something very hurtful to herself or another and then the fun will turn to hate.Dont let that happen.Stop now before you become responsible for what could be a very real death.People argue points.We see it all over this message board.Sooner or later those people wont be confined to just expressing themselves verbily.Do you really want that on your head?
Maybe the time has come to let go of the childish notions of vampires and boogiemen and aliens that only you can speak to.Maybe it's time to stop and think about getting mental help.
Good Luck and God bless.
A.N.
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Its always fun to pretend in things that dont really exist. Remember when you were a kid and played Vampire with your little friends? or maybe you played Star wars and got to dress up like an Alien. Of course we all grow up, and learn that in life the farfetched unreal monsters of ourr childhood dont truly exist.There is no boogie man hiding under the bed or in the closet.Yet even as adults we tend to let our better judgement get the best of us when it comes to wanting to believe. I will be one of the first to admit that I'd like to know 100% all of the facts behind Area 51 and roswell and Underground Alien bases.Theres a side to us that lets our imaginations run wild and allows us to slip back to that kid who played vampire for just a little bit when we see stories about UFO's and hear about Aliens. However, it is something else entirely when someone proclaiming to have contact with an alien races comes forward and is unable to give any actual evidence.Do the aliens want this person to go through life being ridiculed? Why would they be so hateful and hurtful if thet had mankinds best intrests in mind? Why would they allow this person to be treated so shamefully when all they would have to do is give the person one object that could show the world she wasnt insane.
It's fun to pretend.But there is a line,an invisible line drawn in the sands of reality that force anyone with common sense to see this person as being just an obsessed and very ill individual who will eventually do something very hurtful to herself or another and then the fun will turn to hate.Dont let that happen.Stop now before you become responsible for what could be a very real death.People argue points.We see it all over this message board.Sooner or later those people wont be confined to just expressing themselves verbily.Do you really want that on your head?
Maybe the time has come to let go of the childish notions of vampires and boogiemen and aliens that only you can speak to.Maybe it's time to stop and think about getting mental help.
Good Luck and God bless.
A.N.
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Maybe it's time to stop and think about getting mental help.

You're right perhaps - maybe I "should" just --clear my mind-- of all silly worries. Just as Barbara advocates:

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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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