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Michael K.
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Only proofable info please.

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Date: 1995/11/15

>(Begin ZetaTalk)
>
>You are here placing the explaination for high tides on the side of the
>Earth away from the Moon on centrifugal force, solely.

No - I explained them as an unbalance between the lunar gravity and
the centrifugal force due to the Earth-Moon orbital motion. Please
read what I wrote more carefully.

>Is your hypothetical dance that the Earth and Moon are supposed to be
>doing THAT FAST?

Yes, it is THAT FAST! One revolution per 27.5 days is enough for length
scales as large as this.

>If so, that per your hypothesis, there should be a MEASUREABLE pull
>on water in a basin of water, held under a vacume or some other such
>control. Try that, it should only take a day.

Won't work, for two reasons:

1. The vacuum will make the water boil violently -- you can't make
accurate measurements under such circumstances.

It's of course to be expected that the Zetas wouldn't know that water boils in vacuum, though it must be noted in sake of honesty that this is a function of temperature and pressure as well.

2. The basin of water is so much smaller than the oceans that these
effects become practically too small to be measured. One needs a
really large container of water, like an ocean, for the effect to
be easily measureable.

>Close to the Moon, a pull up and tides, away from the Moon, a pull up and
>tides. Equal. You should be able to create tides in the laboratory,
>and VERIFY your hypothesis. The tides should be near equal. However,
>as the sloshing action we explained is stronger in a large body of
>water than in a small, the laboratory tide would not be measurable on
>the far side of the Earth, but would be barely perceptible on the near
>side. You folks are into "show me" arguments, so go show yourself! Or
>are you exempt from these types of challenges, being above reproach.
>(End ZetaTalk)

Except for the fact that you don't like being proven wrong, do you have
any factual objections against my explanation? No?
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And as usual, everything can be remedied with a big enough conspiracy...

In article <5cvfo8$ce6@electra.saaf.se> Paul Schlyter asserts:
> She claims the comet Hale-Bopp does not exist but is a fraud.
> Right now Hale-Bopp shines brightly, at almost 2nd magnitude,
> in the constellarion Aquila - just as predicted.
> pausch@electra.saaf.se (Paul Schlyter)

Or so says YOU, Paul! We can all trust Paul Schlyter and David Tholen
on this matter, THEY ANNOUNCED HALE-BOPP IN THE EARLY DAYS. In other
words, folks, they were in on the game plan from the beginning. Go
into the archives and check it out. Both these guys, right in there
with the IAU and NASA and Hale, talking it up. And just because they
work for an observatory or hang the title or astronomer on their name
doesn't make them automatically HONEST.

What is most striking is Nancy's obstinate ignoring of the sightings made by the actual amateurs and professionals. She directly contradicted the pronouncements of astronomers who actually observed it, and posted pictures about it on the Internet for all to see! She ignored the offers from several amateur astronomers to lend her their time and assistance so that she could see for herself that HB is not a nova.

However, by 1997 when HB became a naked-eye object in accordance with the original orbit posted in 1995. Around that time it must have been that she finally figured out how badly she has been off the mark, and then created the most incredible claims to patch up her 'ZetaTalk Accuracy'. Namely, she introduced NASA using the NEAT program to find a new comet whose orbit they would have lined up with HB's orbit during the years 1995 and 1997, thus claiming the 'millennium comet' is another, unrelated comet. Again, this all is utter nonsense.

It is to be noted, also, that the posts in time period 1995 - 1996 show no indication of Nancy claiming HB to be anything but Nova.

Why did Nancy do this whole HB scenario? It seems that because there were some details that caught her attention such as the ~4000 year orbit, she somehow makes the connection to her Planet X scenario. Her reasoning is that it's a distraction used to divert people's attention away from the real threat, the real Planet X. Considering this text is written 2002, 6 years later and still no-one has seen her planet, it seems as if her worry was premature.

Speaking of 2002, the comet story still hasn't ended. On thread 'Zetacult's Site Bias...', 2002-04-26, the following message was posted by David Tholen, in response to Nancy:

From: tholen@AntiSpam.ham (tholen@AntiSpam.ham)
Subject: Re: Zetacult's Site Bias...
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Date: 2002-04-26 03:43:28 PST

Nancy Lieder writes:

> As in the Hale-Bopp issue, where it is endlessly repeated that the
> Zetas said "it's not a comet" without mentioning the YEAR of the
> statement?

What difference does the year of the statement make, Nancy?

> They said it was a nova on August, 1995

YOU said it was a nova, Nancy, and you were wrong. Novas don't move,
yet Hale-Bopp's movement was noted immediately (otherwise it wouldn't
have been announced as a comet).

> and the ESO subsequently found that what was being pointed
> to, "outgassing" more than a year before it ought,

When a comet "ought" to start outgassing depends on the volatiles
present, Nancy, which were not known in advance. Not all
volatiles begin to sublime at the same temperature. Any comet
can start to outgas before it "ought" if you assume that water
is the trigger, because comets can also have some carbon dioxide
or even methane, which can sublime at lower temperatures, hence
earlier than would be the case for water.

> had no comet emissions!

Still incorrect, Nancy. And to think of the number of times I've
corrected you on this point. There is a big difference between
no comet emissions and no DETECTABLE comet emissions. Just because
you cannot detect the emission from KGU (760 kHz) on your AM radio
does not mean KGU isn't broadcasting. You're simply too far away.
To be sure, as the comet got brighter, the comet emissions became
possible to detect.

> Then they said on June 17, 1996 that the supposed orbit was
> being connected to where a real comet located long before by the NEAT
> program, which tracks thousands of dark objects, was due to appear.

There are no postings from Nancy around this date. I wonder where she made this claim.

That's what YOU said, Nancy, without any proof whatsoever.

> The current Earth Changes, predicted with stunning accuracy by ZetaTalk
> in 1995, are no joke.

The joke here is your alleged "stunning accuracy", Nancy.

> The fact that an infrared object was sighted and
> imaged at the coordinates given by ZetaTalk months and even years
> earlier is also stunning and no joke.

The fact that the object you've been pointing to in the recent images
is nowhere close to magnitude 11 is also no joke, Nancy, which is why
you've been avoiding that particular piece of evidence for your LACK
of stunning accuracy.

Nancy has done a considerable job spinning her failures of 1995 and 1996 away on her web pages. However, the sci.astro log is there plainly for all to see and gives quite a different impression from the Nancy version of reality. For instance, the most original predictions regarding Hale-Bopp started by saying "Hale-Bopp does not exist." But she, for some reason, edited that phrase out from her web pages later on
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Nancy writes: >

>> Nothing pushes. Consider a ball rolling down
>> into a valley. When it gets to the bottom of the
>> valley, it will start rolling up the other side the valley.
>> Nothing is pushing it up that side. Rather, its own
>> momentum is carrying it up. Gravity slows it
>> down as it climbs.
>
> We see. Gravity slow it down.

On the uphill side, yes. On the downhill side, gravity speeds it up.

> Yet the comets keep on keeping on!

Comets speed up as they head in and slow down as they head out.
Entirely consistent.

> Perhaps the very learned and utterly all knowing gentleman from Hawaii

I never claimed to be all knowing. You're simply using that description
in a feeble attempt to make me look like I'm claiming more than should
be claimed. Fortunately for me, all I've claimed so far is so basic
that just about everyone except the Zetas understand it.

> will explain to us all why gravity DOES NOT slow a comet down.

Gravity does not slow down a comet heading toward a massive body,
rather it speeds it up. Gravity does slow down a comet heading away
from a massive body. This action is all because gravity is an
attractive force. Try throwing a ball up sometime. You can actually
*see* it slow down at it travels away from the Earth (the attractive
force) and speed up after it turns around and heads back down.

> This magical momentum, that keep it all going, so that comets just wiz by
> the Sun and on out into space, never seem to stop, per his equations.

I haven't used any equations in these articles.

> What STARTED it?

Gravity and the existence of mass.

> What KEEPS IT GOING?

Gravity and the existence of mass.

> Little jets on the end of the comet, perhaps?

Unnecessary.

> If this momentum theory holds any water at all, then
> the basis and continuity of mementum must be asserted.

What is "mementum"?

Momentum is conserved (what you call "continuity") only when no
external forces are applied. Gravity acting on a comet is an external
force, hence momentum is not conserved by the comet.

> We await the learned response. And we PROMISE, we won't laught out
> loud.

What is "laught"? Is that a homophone of "lot"?

>> Illogical. Knowing why the solar wind doesn't
>> affect comet nuclei only means that I know why
>> the solar wind doesn't affect comet nuclei.
>> It does *not* mean I know it all.
>
> Oh, I don't know, you kind of SOUND like a know-it-all.

I suggest you read some of the stuff you write for a better example
of someone who sounds like a know-it-all. You constantly challenge
established physical laws.
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The longer list...


""May 15, 2003 is given as the date but it has always been stated "shortly thereafter".
Nancy Lieder
[Failed prediction]

""As we have predicted in 1995, there will be increasing crop shortages to the point where commercial crops will fail for the next 3 years running. Not in 1999 but during the 3 years following, going into the coming pole shift."
Nancy Lieder
[Failed prediction]

"You will NOT be allowed to invade Iraq as expected, to succeed, and your secret plans, your smug deals with allies, will FAIL!"
Nancy Lieder
[Failed prediction]

"Planet X will be visible in the daytime sky, 7 weeks before passage."
Nancy Lieder
[Failed prediction]

“"Likewise, we have allowed NANCY to look foolish, the latest session last Sunday when she shared her bumbling on asteroids with the public, shamelessly."
Nancy Lieder
[Failed prediction "white lie."]

"Satellites are already getting so much noise that they falter.......this failure rate will not matter as ALL will fail."
Nancy Lieder
[Failed prediction]

"Kid A is NOT a fake that we can tell."
Nancy Lieder
[Failed prediction]

"Thus, the minions are out trying to attack THIS
channel, the #poleshiftdiscussion channel, but hold firm! This will not last ....... consider this a temporary attack, diminishing in intensity, and likely to disappear within weeks."
Nancy Lieder
[Failed prediction. In fact Nancy no longer hosts an IRC session due to so called "debunkers.]

"....the photo from Spain appears
completely legit..."
Nancy Lieder
[Failed prediction]

"Thus, you actually have the slowdown starting on the 19th........"
Nancy Lieder
[Failed prediction "white lie."]

"......the 20th is a 2-3 hour late sunset...."
Nancy Lieder
[Failed prediction "white lie."]

......."On the 21st, rotation stops when the Atlantic Rift faces the approaching Planet X."
Nancy Lieder
[Failed prediction "white lie."]

"......May 27th Rotational stoppage....."
Nancy Lieder
[Failed prediction "white lie."]

".....its goin' to happen before June 1st."
Nancy Lieder
[Failed prediction "white lie."]




When viewing Nancy's statements as a whole (and the above is just a small selection,) one can't help but wonder how anyone can attach any credibility to her words? Her faithful question all other sources, demand absolute proof from their critics yet accept all of her ambiguous, admitted deceptions and "white lies without question or dissent. And just to emphasise that fact, in case anyone hasn't noticed yet, we're already past the June 1st deadline with no Planet X or poleshift. In fact no visible signs what so ever. No mass increase in earthquakes or geological events, no extreme weather, no red dust, no planetary rotation slowing, no loss of communications, nothing. Looking outside here in the UK on this glorious morning you would never suspect the impending doom of mankind. So I guess we should all take Nancy's advice:

"GIVE ME A BREAK! If anyone has doubts, then go have a soak and leave me alone!"
Nancy Lieder

Just how long can Nancy maintain the charade and for how much longer will the faithful continue to buy into her delusion? Will the solitude eventually get to her, forcing Nancy out of hiding for more revealing radio broadcasts? Sounds more like a classic "soap opera."

"I had a wonderful German Shepard
and we put it down because we knew what was goin' to happen."
Nancy Lieder

Stay tuned folks for the next enthralling episode of "Zeta Street" where the local neighbourhood aliens have been caught attempting to cause a riot at the human Troubled Times country club, while the authorities try to strip their "emissary" of her ill gotten gains. Let the mayhem begin.....
"...we've always allowed a great deal of
argument and discussions, pros and cons
to go on, encouraged it, the whole
Troubled Time mailing list group is one..."
Nancy Lieder
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"I had a wonderful German Shepard
and we put it down because we knew what was goin' to happen."
Nancy Lieder


Damn did she really did that ? wtf
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"I had a wonderful German Shepard
and we put it down because we knew what was goin' to happen."
Nancy Lieder


Damn did she really did that ? wtf
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Yep. I remember that. I was all set for the fucking pole shift on my birthday a few years ago, but not a damned thing. Freaking zetas.
Well it seems so real I can see it
And it seems so real I can feel it
And it seems so real I can taste it
And it seems so real I can hear it
So why can't I touch it?
So why can't I touch it?


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