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OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab
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FRENCHY
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8/24/2007 3:48 AM
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Scientists recreate out-of-body experiences (no drugs)
For centuries, people have claimed to have had out-of-body experiences but now scientists have recreated the sensation without using drugs in the first experiments of their kind, a study said Thursday.
As many as one in 10 people say they have experienced the sensation of being awake and seeing their own body from another location, according to the study published in the journal Science.
"Out-of-body experiences have fascinated mankind for millennia. Their existence has raised fundamental questions about the relationship between human consciousness and the body," said Henrik Ehrsson, a neuroscientist formerly of University College London, and now at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden.
Now neuroscientists have manipulated a group of perfectly healthy volunteers into thinking they had moved outside their bodies by distorting their perception of reality.
Using virtual reality goggles to mix up the sensory signals reaching the brain, they induced the volunteers into projecting their awareness into a virtual body. Participants confirmed they had experienced sitting behind their physical body and looking at it.
The illusion was so strong that the volunteers reacted with a palpable sense of fear when their virtual selves were threatened with physical force.
The findings suggest there may be a scientific explanation for these types of out-of-body experiences, which are often thought of as delusional or paranormal, and the scientists believe their research could have important applications.
"The invention of this illusion is important because it reveals the basic mechanism that produces the feeling of being inside the physical body," said Ehrsson.
"This represents a significant advance because the experience of one's own body as the center of awareness is a fundamental aspect of self-consciousness."
And inducing people to have out-of-body experiences could have wide-ranging uses, he believes.
"This is essentially a means of projecting yourself, a form of teleportation. If we can project people into a virtual character, so they feel and respond as if they were really in a virtual version of themselves, just imagine the implications.
"The experience of video games could reach a whole new level, but it could go much beyond that. For example, a surgeon could perform remote surgery, by controlling their virtual self from a different location."
But scientists still don't know exactly what causes such experiences which have often been associated with traumatic experiences such as car accidents and linked to compromised brain function in epileptics, drug addicts and stroke victims.
"Brain dysfunctions that interfere with interpreting sensory signals may be responsible for clinical cases of out-of-body experiences," said Ehrsson.
"Though, whether all out-of-body experiences arise from the same causes is still an open question."
[link to news.yahoo.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 287599
8/24/2007 4:55 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
Bullshit. This is just playing with our sensory perceptions, not a true OOBE.
In a real OOBE you can visit any place you like, as many other people as you like, and these visits and other knowledge gained during OOBE's can be verified. You can even visit different worlds, or Locales as Robert Monroe referred to them.
This is what real OOBE's are like.
[link to oberf.org] |
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The Alien
User ID: 287577
8/24/2007 4:59 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
there was a movie made about this a few years ago.well,sorta.It had Kiefer southerland in it I think.Something to do with collage kids killing themselves in a lab for the after life experience.Was sorta kool. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 277733
8/24/2007 5:01 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
These experiences were NOT out-of-the-body experiences (OBEs). They were optical illusions to simulate OBEs, with the implicit, debunking message that OBEs are just illusions created by a disturbed brain. The reason why true OBEs are paranormal is that people having them sometimes report acquiring information about the physical world out of reach of the normal sensory channels - a feat that is impossible according to science. There are well-documented instances of this, some under controlled, lab conditions. When a neurologist can explain to me how the human brain can know what was being said and done in an operating theatre even though it was flat-lining at the time (eyes shut of course), then I shall accept that OBEs are illusions. When a scientist can tell me how the human brain can know what was happening miles away from the OBEr's home at the time and knew precisely what was being said by relatives miles away, just informed by telephone that the OBEr had had a heart attack and was unconscious, then I shall regard OBEs as brain-induced illusions. When experiments such as these result in the subjects reporting information about their surroundings that they could not possibly know about because of the position of their bodies, then I shall take these finding seriously. Until then, I shall dismiss this ridiculous, shallow pretence to recreate true OBEs (instead of merely simulating them) with the scorn they deserve. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 154985
8/24/2007 5:07 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
hey thanks for the oberg link dude !! |
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hazelnuts
User ID: 241553
8/24/2007 5:08 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
Why is it that science always finds a way to diminish the spiritual experience thereby diminishing who and what we really are? Humans are more than just the body we inhabit, we have just forgotten who we are and what our purpose here is, especially in the western world. Everytime someone gets close to remembering, they are distracted, dumbed down, or ridiculed. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 277733
8/24/2007 5:21 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
Why is it that science always finds a way to diminish the spiritual experience thereby diminishing who and what we really are? Humans are more than just the body we inhabit, we have just forgotten who we are and what our purpose here is, especially in the western world. Everytime someone gets close to remembering, they are distracted, dumbed down, or ridiculed. Quoting: hazelnuts 241553
Why? Because there is a war going on between those who believe science can explain away the paranormal, evidence of a human soul, etc and those like us who have long realised that it cannot. When scientists cannot explain something on THEIR terms, they will pretend to reduce the phenomenon to something else that they CAN explain, thus creating the illusion that they have given a plausible explanation of some ancient mystery. Don't be duped by their debunking. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 241684
8/24/2007 5:21 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
You will know when you have a true oobe
it is undeniabel and a very personal experience. |
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FRENCHY
User ID: 234231 (OP)
8/24/2007 5:30 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
Scientists recreate out-of-body experiences (no drugs) Quoting: FRENCHY 234231
MOD, mille mercis for the pin!!
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hazelnuts
User ID: 241553
8/24/2007 5:31 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
I have come close, but to date have had no success with it. I have heard my dead father's voice calling me. But I have woken up. i have heard noises like knocks, or bangs as I am falling asleep, but the noises wake me up. As I am about to travel, I wake up. |
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FRENCHY
User ID: 234231 (OP)
8/24/2007 5:34 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
hey thanks for the oberg link dude !! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 154985
My pleasure ! |
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FRENCHY
User ID: 234231 (OP)
8/24/2007 5:53 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
Scientists recreate out-of-body experiences (no drugs) Quoting: FRENCHY 234231
The Swiss and UK scientists who did the experiences have noticed that most of the people feels that the "oneself" is located where the eyes are.
Accordingly, they concluded that a disconnection between the brain circuits that process visual and touch sensory information may thus be responsible for some OBEs.
That's how they got the idea of recreating a virtual OBE in lab !!!!
[link to news.bbc.co.uk] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 235208
8/24/2007 6:11 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
whatta a weapon thats gonna be! |
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FRENCHY
User ID: 234231 (OP)
8/24/2007 6:20 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
whatta a weapon thats gonna be! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 235208
It could also replace some of the drugs people do take to escape reality. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 235208
8/24/2007 6:22 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
The illusion was so strong that the volunteers reacted with a palpable sense of fear when their virtual selves were threatened with physical force. Quoting: FRENCHY 234231
how did they to that to an illusion!?!
how can they threaten the virtual body with force if the real body has the goggles and headset on!?!?
that bit doesn't make sense. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 287618
8/24/2007 6:23 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
there was a movie made about this a few years ago.well,sorta.It had Kiefer southerland in it I think.Something to do with collage kids killing themselves in a lab for the after life experience.Was sorta kool. Quoting: The Alien 287577
Flatliners. Also w Julia Roberts |
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FRENCHY
User ID: 234231 (OP)
8/24/2007 6:35 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
The illusion was so strong that the volunteers reacted with a palpable sense of fear when their virtual selves were threatened with physical force.
how did they to that to an illusion!?!
how can they threaten the virtual body with force if the real body has the goggles and headset on!?!?
that bit doesn't make sense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 235208
"The Swiss and UK scientists who did the experiences have noticed that most of the people feels that the "oneself" is located where the eyes are."
If you think that YOURSELF is located "behind" your eyes and the experimenters somehow succeed to disconnect your brain circuits while showing you a virtual image of yourself outside your body, it's done. You will see (imagine) your physical body as a different "thing".
I know it's hard to believe but if certain drugs could do it why not a computer programme with direct link to the brain? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 227259
8/24/2007 6:39 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
First, I think that these scientists are not very good, they have mislabelled the phenomenon in the lab based on the assumption that OOBEs are a figment of the imagination.
Second, its an interesting phenomenon produced in the lab even though its (IMO) been mislabelled and misrepresents the important body of work produced by the Monroe Institute and scientists of that ilk.
So the work is flawed from the start.
And finally I wondered if it was possible that this reality in which we find ourselves could have been as a result of such an experiment taken to the extra level of forgetting our very origin ... unlikely but interesting food for thought ... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 235208
8/24/2007 6:46 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
and i thought they'd already managed to recreate oobes using VLFs!? a few years back.........obviously not it seems. |
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FRENCHY
User ID: 234231 (OP)
8/24/2007 6:48 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
and i thought they'd already managed to recreate oobes using VLFs!? a few years back.........obviously not it seems. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 235208
VLF ? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 154985
8/24/2007 7:00 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
very low frequency maybe?
also frenchy......do you know if binaural beats are really of much help in initiating an obe and if so which freq. is best ie theta,delta, beta, alpha ? |
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starlight_afar
User ID: 94505
8/24/2007 7:11 AM
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When you go on a roller coaster or one of those extremely fast rides what do you call it when your body feels it lost its spirit part? You know that point of thrill. If you got use to it then you sort of not disconnect so to speak. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 252876
8/24/2007 7:14 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
Total BS, they "believe" they have created an out of body experience, |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 287508
8/24/2007 7:34 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
and i thought they'd already managed to recreate oobes using VLFs!? a few years back.........obviously not it seems.
VLF ? Quoting: FRENCHY 234231
Do you live in France ? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 287631
8/24/2007 8:01 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
First, I think that these scientists are not very good, they have mislabelled the phenomenon in the lab based on the assumption that OOBEs are a figment of the imagination.
Second, its an interesting phenomenon produced in the lab even though its (IMO) been mislabelled and misrepresents the important body of work produced by the Monroe Institute and scientists of that ilk.
So the work is flawed from the start.
And finally I wondered if it was possible that this reality in which we find ourselves could have been as a result of such an experiment taken to the extra level of forgetting our very origin ... unlikely but interesting food for thought ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 227259
Your going off only the information in the news article. Which is woefully incomplete and doesn't contain any scientific data.
Your opinion is flawed because you made it while very uninformed.
Most of these articles are made up by a reporter that often doesn't understand the subject matter. They also go for the most base explanation to appeal to the lowest common denominator. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 284815
8/24/2007 8:10 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
Wonder who in the first place cooked up the weird illusion that we are inside our bodies? |
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FRENCHY
User ID: 287658
8/24/2007 8:43 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
and i thought they'd already managed to recreate oobes using VLFs!? a few years back.........obviously not it seems.
VLF ?
Do you live in France ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 287508
oui |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 287659
8/24/2007 8:46 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
KEY words in article.
Manipulated, Distorting, Virtual, Mixed Up, Induced, Illusion, Dysfunctions.
What they discovered is what highly imaginative online gamers have experienced and known for years.
The fear of getting wacked by their opponent and "virtually" dying is basic survival instinct.. Gamers project themselves as virtual characters all the time and the more you dive into a game, body mind and soul, the more real it becomes. The magic is in the believing. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 227259
8/24/2007 8:48 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
First, I think that these scientists are not very good, they have mislabelled the phenomenon in the lab based on the assumption that OOBEs are a figment of the imagination.
Second, its an interesting phenomenon produced in the lab even though its (IMO) been mislabelled and misrepresents the important body of work produced by the Monroe Institute and scientists of that ilk.
So the work is flawed from the start.
And finally I wondered if it was possible that this reality in which we find ourselves could have been as a result of such an experiment taken to the extra level of forgetting our very origin ... unlikely but interesting food for thought ...
Your going off only the information in the news article. Which is woefully incomplete and doesn't contain any scientific data.
Your opinion is flawed because you made it while very uninformed.
Most of these articles are made up by a reporter that often doesn't understand the subject matter. They also go for the most base explanation to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 287631
Fair enough, it was just an opinion based on an article. An opinion I am free to express. I haven't seen the original work, but when there's talk of an Out of Body experience and the article describes an experience which clearly is Interesting (did you notice I said that?) but is not necessarily an OOBE ... then it seems LOGICAL to draw the conclusion that an assumption has been made about what an OOBE is really is ...
Thank you for yours. |
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FRENCHY
User ID: 287658
8/24/2007 8:52 AM | | Re: OUT-OF-BODY Experiences recreated in Lab | Quote |
very low frequency maybe?
also frenchy......do you know if binaural beats are really of much help in initiating an obe and if so which freq. is best ie theta,delta, beta, alpha ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 154985
I think binaural beats effects are more in the improvment of overall well-being rather than reaching unusual states like the one described in the thread. |
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project StarChild
User ID: 252876
8/24/2007 8:53 AM
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There is no way to prove OOBEs with physical science, and there never will be
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