Is the American Empire Facing Collapse? -- According to the National Debt Clock, the U.S. national debt is now a whopping $8.9 trillion | |
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Sudel_Tek (OP) User ID: 257208 United States 08/25/2007 07:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is the American Empire Facing Collapse? -- According to the National Debt Clock, the U.S. national debt is now a whopping $8.9 trillion The way I see we can go about fixing this whole mess.. in a fairly quick amount of time: We basically abolish our ways of globalism, foreign interventionism, and the like. Then we proceed to allow states and the federal government to fund research in all sorts of institutions. Research such as nanotechnology, stem cell therapies, etc. We should remove unnecessary limitations that prevent or slow down our research & development as well as growth. With what we can make out of all that, we can use to get rid of our debt by trading with countries that we deem safe for the US, giving them literally the conclusions of our research, in return eliminating the debt stamped on us. Thats an oversimplification of what I'm imagining and thinking about. One big problem is once we leave the UN and other international and globalist organizations, will we still have the same powers over other countries? We might need it to get rid of all this UNNECESSARY debt that was placed upon us by fraudulent puppets. First things first: Vote for Ron Paul. He is the only one knowledgeable enough & willing to even try to fix this mess we're in. The blackening of roses will send you to the edges of the land/ The emerald tablets of Thoth the Atlantean/ The hands of the mighty Lion of Judah/ Will throw you through the triangular portals of Bermuda/ Exploring the Hologramic aspects of consciousness/ |
koffycup User ID: 287741 United States 08/25/2007 07:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is the American Empire Facing Collapse? -- According to the National Debt Clock, the U.S. national debt is now a whopping $8.9 trillion The National Debt is a false number designed to keep citizens in chattel bondage. The CDOs and other financial paper instruments are counterfeit, and the buyers of the US Notes have been informed as of late. It's like a cage that THEY keep saying is there, but IT IS NOT. ..."THEY" had to get rid of American gold-backed money to enslave. Then back in March, they stole the Queen's gold to enslave the new PM as Tony Blair quit so as to keep the UK in this scam of "you need us now, or we'll show the world your sterling is worthless... so stay with the EURO and the NWO>" ...Remember that 'currency' is not 'money.' Money is backed by metals; gold, silver, etc. Currency was invented to CONTROL nations/populations without the need to have a formal military presence. ...As long as WE THINK that we owe, then we are obligated/slaves to that criminal debt. When ALL parties to the scam are taking their piece of the pie for private gain, then all is well... who cares to pay off the debt? ...That's why nobody gets very far when it comes to this Fed Reserve stuff and the IRS tax laws. It's a scam. Show us plainly these laws?... they can't/won't because the entire government is in on it and the courts cut it off with "your final answer?" ...Debt to WHO? The Bankers/Gangsters of the world? IF you REALLY owned your home, nobody could TAKE/seize it for unpaid taxes. ...Another good saying, "Citizens don't pay taxes, conquered people do." ... The Empire that is collapsing is not American. It is the Bankers/NWO/satanic empire that is having a bad day. |
Sudel_Tek (OP) User ID: 257208 United States 08/25/2007 07:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is the American Empire Facing Collapse? -- According to the National Debt Clock, the U.S. national debt is now a whopping $8.9 trillion We can easily just isolate ourselves from the puppets & thugs of the world once we have elected reasonable, real patriots, real Americans into the WH and Congress. We will in my opinion need an even more advanced military force however, in that case. I'd focus more on missile defense and border/port security. The blackening of roses will send you to the edges of the land/ The emerald tablets of Thoth the Atlantean/ The hands of the mighty Lion of Judah/ Will throw you through the triangular portals of Bermuda/ Exploring the Hologramic aspects of consciousness/ |
koffycup User ID: 287741 United States 08/25/2007 07:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is the American Empire Facing Collapse? -- According to the National Debt Clock, the U.S. national debt is now a whopping $8.9 trillion Yes, and the monsterous National Debt will be given to America's children. The whole System needs an overhaul and how will that come about? Quoting: starlight_afar.....I think we all know the final answer comes with the gun. And WHY is that? ...After posting signs at the henhouse that say,"NO PREDATORS", how do I keep from losing chicks to the non-stop attacks? They won't stay away with loud noises. Shoot over them and they will return... eventually. Nope, you got to kill those fox, coyotes, and other predators. ...Janis Joplin sang a song with a line that goes, "freedom's just another word for nothing left to loose"... And that's why it's always the LAST resort. It's not the preferred way. But it's the ONLY way that brings safety to our children. The "greatest generation" is yet to be seen. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 259160 United States 08/25/2007 08:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is the American Empire Facing Collapse? -- According to the National Debt Clock, the U.S. national debt is now a whopping $8.9 trillion it's not the national debt that is the problem.. as a percentage of GDP, the national debt is no higher then it has been the past 30-50 years or so... it's the outstanding credit market debt you have to look at.. [link to www.federalreserve.gov] As a percentage of GDP, this number is at it's highest level in history... it's taking more and more debt just to create another dollar of GDP, and eventually it will top out and the whole system will implode. Has it started? Only time will tell. [link to mwhodges.home.att.net] America has become more a debt 'junkie' - - than ever before with total debt of $48 Trillion - - and the highest debt ratio in history. That's $161,287 per man, woman and child - - or $645,148 per family of 4, $45,514 more debt per family than last year. Last year total debt increased $3.9 Trillion, 5 times more than GDP. External debt owed foreign interests increased $1 Trillion; Household, business and financial sector debt soared 9%. 72% ($35 trillion) of total debt was created since 1990, a period primarily driven by debt instead of by productive activity. And, the above does not include un-funded pensions and medical promises. 2 great questions: Can the production of debt forever replace the production of goods and savings? Can Americans forever borrow their way to prosperity? Easy Answer > NO WAY !! |
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Jomama User ID: 180153 Germany 08/25/2007 08:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is the American Empire Facing Collapse? -- According to the National Debt Clock, the U.S. national debt is now a whopping $8.9 trillion It's far bigger than $8.9 trillion and it's seldom mentioned. I wonder why. Try $60 trillion or so. [link to www.thespiritof76.com] The consequences are hidden from view also: [link to djomama.blogspot.com] to herd or not to herd [link to djomama.blogspot.com] |
Bean There User ID: 288125 United States 08/25/2007 08:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is the American Empire Facing Collapse? -- According to the National Debt Clock, the U.S. national debt is now a whopping $8.9 trillion Yes, and the monsterous National Debt will be given to America's children. The whole System needs an overhaul and how will that come about? Quoting: starlight_afarApplication of off budget government holdings ( surplus revenues ) to pay their self generated “debt”. [link to www.Gas_oven.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 254678 United States 08/25/2007 09:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is the American Empire Facing Collapse? -- According to the National Debt Clock, the U.S. national debt is now a whopping $8.9 trillion |
Jomama User ID: 180153 Germany 08/25/2007 09:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is the American Empire Facing Collapse? -- According to the National Debt Clock, the U.S. national debt is now a whopping $8.9 trillion Look, it's like this: If you borrow money from yourself, and you've can't pay it back because you've spent all you got, then just never pay it back. Doesn't matter in the long run. The USA simply never has to pay itself back. Problem solved. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 254678Large amounts have been borrowed from others in other countries, Bright Spark. And what of the 'murikun holders of T-Bills etc? How do I borrow money from myself? to herd or not to herd [link to djomama.blogspot.com] |
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b User ID: 288155 United States 08/25/2007 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is the American Empire Facing Collapse? -- According to the National Debt Clock, the U.S. national debt is now a whopping $8.9 trillion Who put the gas oven link in my post? I certainly didn't, PERIOD. Quoting: Bean There 288155Plus my IP was banned as soon as I tried to post this question. Had to switch over to the backup. What? Someone doesn't like the Walter Burien plan to audit government investment holdings and use the surplus funds to offset the phony national debt? Like New York States 133 BILLION retirement funds. Maybe 3 times the actual projected need. A nice tidy 88 PLUS BILLION cash / asset surplus. Hells Bells! the plan site is gone! I was just there to link which ended up as gas oven in my post. Hummmm ..... Here is a backup at rumor mill. [link to www.Gas_oven.com] ( fwd slash ) cafr1 ( fwd slash ) plan.htm Add your own slashes. “Local and Federal Government's gross income in 1999 - 8.5 trillion dollars and the entire population's of the USA gross income, "net after taxation" 4.8 trillion dollars.” "GROSS" INCOME of government is now 1/3rd "TAX" income and 2/3rds NON-TAX income derived from: return on INVESTMENTS and money generated from government Enterprise projects.” “investment funds. China just cut off further new US "Government" investments, now several trillion dollars worth in China so that would not happen. China learned by seeing what happened to Mexico then Russia.” “A complete government and (taken over by government) syndicated news media blackout has existed for over 60 years and it started back in 1946. THIS IS FACT, NOT FICTION!” “The #1 Profit makers for Government from their investments are: The War Industry; Oil Companies; Pharmaceuticals; and Banking. (300% to 400% profits)” from 3w’s ( dot ) cfr1 ( dot ) com Now let’s see what happens. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 288169 United States 08/25/2007 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is the American Empire Facing Collapse? -- According to the National Debt Clock, the U.S. national debt is now a whopping $8.9 trillion Well, OP. You failed to mention that by the end of Clintons' last-term in office..we had no "National-Debt" anymore for the 1st time since the "Revolutionary War." Infact we had a SURPLUS! The idiotic administration of now has caused this "Massive-Collosal" F/U. But then again, maybe it was part of the Plan. That is to "Put America into so much debt that it can't be "re-paid". Then the Lender comes-in (like a Foreclosure)and takes over the country under the premise that it is "needed" to pay the debt. Yeah, right! Wake-up people! |
Sudel_Tek (OP) User ID: 257208 United States 08/25/2007 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is the American Empire Facing Collapse? -- According to the National Debt Clock, the U.S. national debt is now a whopping $8.9 trillion The blackening of roses will send you to the edges of the land/ The emerald tablets of Thoth the Atlantean/ The hands of the mighty Lion of Judah/ Will throw you through the triangular portals of Bermuda/ Exploring the Hologramic aspects of consciousness/ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 288330 United States 08/25/2007 07:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is the American Empire Facing Collapse? -- According to the National Debt Clock, the U.S. national debt is now a whopping $8.9 trillion NESARA NOW CALLING FOR NESARA NOW! By Saint Germain, the Knight Commander Beloved Founding Fathers and Mothers of the United States of America, Saint Germain and Portia (Goddess of Justice), Great Karmic Board, Mighty Victory, Queen of Light, Goddess of Liberty, Liberty Angels, Legions of Michael, Archangels all, In God We Trust Angels, Indian Runner Angels, Beloved Divine Mother, Virgin of Quadalupe (Mother of the Americas) Beloved Jesus and Mother Mary, all Legions of Light and Love, Saints and Sages, Mother Gaia and the entire elemental kingdom--we call you into action now. NESARA, NESARA may freedom reign, NESARA, NESARA bless Saint Germain, Bring Freedom now, America be, Sanctified and freed from Illuminate. O come, O come, White Knights maintain, Announce, announce with Saint Germain. NESARA now, bring freedom back, All taxes gone, there is no lack. Mortgages paid, and credit cards too. Bush team is out--Love-Light renew. Bring protection now, to those who announce, Wrapped by the angels, they will pronounce, America now--America be free, With Saint Germain and Holy Company. New President arise and victory be, America rise up and be cut free. Your blueprint held by Mother God We resurrect above, corruption and sod. "Enough," we cry, the Liberty Bell rings, "Freedom at last"--America sings, "O blessed be," the children call, "America, America, glory to all." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36898 United States 08/25/2007 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is the American Empire Facing Collapse? -- According to the National Debt Clock, the U.S. national debt is now a whopping $8.9 trillion Well, OP. You failed to mention that by the end of Clintons' last-term in office..we had no "National-Debt" anymore for the 1st time since the "Revolutionary War." Infact we had a SURPLUS! The idiotic administration of now has caused this "Massive-Collosal" F/U. But then again, maybe it was part of the Plan. That is to "Put America into so much debt that it can't be "re-paid". Then the Lender comes-in (like a Foreclosure)and takes over the country under the premise that it is "needed" to pay the debt. Yeah, right! Wake-up people! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 288169No, it was the DEFICIT that was reduced to zero, and even converted to a small surplus, during the Clinton years -- NOT THE NATIONAL DEBT. The national debt has been getting relentlessly bigger for decades -- though, it is true, faster than ever during this Bush II era. |
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