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Pope Benedict XVI's Questionable Qualifications
If Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger's involvement with the Hitler Youth and his stonewalling of the pedophile priests scandal aren't enough to disqualify him from becoming pope, what would?

As comedian Bill Maher might say, NEW RULES: “If you were involved in a Nazi youth group, you can't be pope.”

How many Nazi salutes did he give? How many times did “Sieg Heil” come out of his mouth? How many Jews did he see rousted from their homes and carted off to the death camps of Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Maidanek, and Dachau? Those are some of the questions that immediately sprang to my mind when the news came that the conclave of 115 Cardinals had elected the 78-year old German, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, as Pope.

Born on April 16, 1927 in Marktl am Inn, a village of 2700 people on the Austrian border east of Munich, Joseph Ratzinger was eighteen years old when World War II ended.

Consider what John Aravosis, a Washington DC-based writer and political consultant, and the author of Americablog.com, wrote on his blog about Ratzinger and the Nazis in the hours immediately following his election.

“When is it fair to call a Nazi a Nazi?” Aravosis asked:

He was a member of the Hitler youth, and he belonged to a Luftwaffe AA battery. ... As some on the left note, just because he was a German soldier doesn't make him a Nazi (though I must admit the nuance is lost a bit on me... )

The thing is, I feel like some are exonerating Ratzinger's past specifically because of his past. It's almost as if the fact that he was in the Hitler Youth and the Nazi army somehow means "of course he wasn't a Nazi." That logic is a bit weird. It's as weird as folks today who say "how dare you compare what is happening in America to what happened in Nazi Germany." Many people like to think, for whatever reason, that the sins of the Nazis could never happen again, so per se it's bad form to even worry that they might or are. That's a rather dangerous and flippant view of history. And I think it's what's motivating some of the "how dare you call Ratzinger a Nazi" rhetoric.

It's almost as if we've gone from "how dare you think the Nazi horror could occur again" to "how dare you think the Nazis were Nazis?" Folks aren't saying -- yes, Ratzinger has some explaining to do. Rather they're saying, per se it's unfair to worry about his unfortunate youth working for Hitler's final solution and victory, and to at least suggest that maybe the Catholic Church could have done better for itself and the memories of what it did, or didn't do, during WWII.

While I firmly believe in forgiveness and personal redemption, and fully embrace the idea that individuals should be given a second, third and fourth chance to get their lives in order, I don't believe that means that that person is then qualified to be pope.

Media Spectacular: The days leading up to the death of Pope John Paul II were television friendly. The spectacular funeral, with political and religious superstars from all over the world in attendance, received the most extensive media coverage of any funeral in the history of the world. Even before Pope John Paul II's death, media pundits were speculating as to who would be chosen the next pope. The clear favorite was Cardinal Ratzinger, a Vatican insider who has often been referred to as the Pope's “Grand Inquisitor” or “God's Rottweiler.” There were other possibilities, but in reality the chances that the new pope would be from Latin America -- Latin Americans make up roughly half the world's Catholics -- or from Africa, were slim from the get-go.

On Tuesday, April 19, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger became the first German Pope since the 11th century. Immediately after his election, some reports stressed that the new Pope is a "mild-mannered" man who is an “intellectual”, “theological[ly] brilliant” (he's written over 40 books), and speaks ten languages. One reporter gushed that Ratzinger was a concert pianist who favored Beethoven. Other commentators talked about how he lived modestly and walked to work every day. Some said that despite his reputation for being a hardliner, he was in fact “a warm-hearted spiritual man.”

In fact, Cardinal Ratzinger, who chose the name Pope Benedict XVI, is known for his ultra-conservative views. Since 1981, Ratzinger has been prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, chief guardian of the church's orthodoxy, maintaining and enforcing its hard line on issues such as birth control, abortion and women in the priesthood.

2004 US Presidential Election: In addition, Ratzinger attempted to intervene in the recent presidential election. According to a July 7, 2004 report in the conservative NewsMax.com, “In a private memorandum” that didn't mention then Democratic Party presidential candidate Senator John Kerry by name, Ratzinger “told American bishops that Communion must be denied to Catholic politicians who support legal abortion.”

“Apart from an individual's judgment about his worthiness to present himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, the minister of Holy Communion may find himself in the situation where he must refuse to distribute Holy Communion to someone, such as in cases of a declared excommunication, a declared interdict, or an obstinate persistence in manifest grave sin,” Ratzinger wrote.

If a politician such as Kerry “still presents himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, the minister of Holy Communion must refuse to distribute it,” he added.

Pedophilia Scandal: What of Ratzinger's role in the Vatican's much-delayed response to reports of massive sexual abuse of children by Catholic priests, a scandal that has rocked the Catholic Church in the US? In 2002, sounding almost Tom DeLayish, Ratzinger told the Catholic News Service that he thought that the pedophile priest scandal was being driven by a media set on making the Catholic Church look bad:

“I am personally convinced that the constant presence in the press of the sins of Catholic priests, especially in the United States, is a planned campaign, as the percentage of these offences among priests is not higher than in other categories, and perhaps it is even lower.

“In the United States, there is constant news on this topic, but less than 1% of priests are guilty of acts of this type. The constant presence of these news items does not correspond to the objectivity of the information nor to the statistical objectivity of the facts.

“Therefore, one comes to the conclusion that it is intentional, manipulated, that there is a desire to discredit the Church. It is a logical and well-founded conclusion.”

Gays and Lesbians: Cardinal Ratzinger has railed against gays in his writings. According to Richard J. Rosendall, In 1986, Ratzinger issued his Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons stating that “the inclination [toward homosexuality] itself must be seen as an objective disorder.” While condemning anti-gay violence, Ratzinger wrote: “[W]hen civil legislation is introduced to protect behavior to which no one has any conceivable right, neither the Church nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase.” In the same letter, Rosendall wrote, “Ratzinger called gay rights advocacy a threat to the family.”

Liberation Theology: “Ratzinger's presence is a disaster for Latin America,” Bernardo Barranco, a Mexican sociologist and expert on religion, told the Associated Press. “He took it upon himself to liquidate liberation theology. He didn't understand Latin America," said Barranco, referring to the blend of the Gospel with Marxist-influenced politics dedicated to serving and empowering the poor.

“In his first words as pope delivered from the loggia overlooking St. Peter's Square,” the Associated Press reported, “Benedict paid tribute in accented Italian to ‘the great John Paul II’... [and] he called himself ‘a simple, humble worker in the vineyard of the Lord.’”

Will this “simple and humble worker” be able to heal a sharply divided church? In a time when the world's religious and political leaders ought to be concentrating on extending human and civil rights to those that have been historically denied, and should be rectifying the wrongs perpetrated upon the poor and the oppressed, Cardinal Ratzinger appears to represent the old guard. Will this ultraconservative Pope unite Catholics and bring them into a more enlightened twenty-first century, or will his actions attempt to return the church's 1.1 billion-members to the 16th century?

Bill Berkowitz is a longtime observer of the conservative movement. His WorkingForChange.com column Conservative Watch documents the strategies, players, institutions, victories and defeats of the American Right.

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Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky...

-- “Imagine” by John Lennon


Marx was wrong. Religion isn’t the “opium of the masses.” Its effects are never that benign. No, religion is a shackle clasped to the mind of man, keeping him from utilizing the one thing that lifts him above the primordial swamp of fear and superstition -- his inquiring mind.

The appointment of the new Pope, Joseph Ratzinger, guarantees that that mental shackle will be cinched up a notch or two, and the papal caravan that’s winding back to the Dark Ages will steadily gain in momentum. Wherever we look, the institutions that protect secular democracy are being uprooted from their moorings and tossed on the slagheap. A right-wing ideologue like Pope Benedict XVI just puts the finishing touches on a global system that’s already dominated by Islamic fanatics, Jewish settler-extremists and Christian fundamentalists all brandishing the same cudgel of intolerance and all eager to force “infidels” to conform to their twisted doctrine.

Ratzinger is a particularly aggressive form of this modern day sarcoma. His inflexible views should merge seamlessly with the chauvinism of Bush, Sharon and al Zarqawi. During his tenure at the Vatican he personally spearheaded the effort to elevate the Nazi-collaborating Pious XII to sainthood and led the charge to publicly humiliate candidates (like John Kerry) whose views on abortion and birth control were not consistent with his own (by threatening to bar them from the sacraments). He also “publicly praised the fascist movement in the Church known as Opus Dei and supported the canonization of Josemaria Escriva, the founder of Opus Dei, an open fascist who served in the government of Spain’s dictator Franco, and who publicly praised Hitler.” (quote from Rabbi Michael Lerner)

Ratzinger’s critics have dubbed him “God’s rottweiler,” a sobriquet that captures his combative and polarizing style. He’s lived up to that title by taking the most stridently conservative positions on nearly every social issue. He summarized the women’s liberation movement by saying that women should “follow the roles inscribed by her biology,” a comment that suggests women that should accept their traditional function as domesticated breeding machines. It’s the same as saying that, “A woman’s place is in the home.” Not much changes in Rome in 2000 years.

On homosexuality, Ratzinger’s views are even more odious. He is quoted as saying that gays are inherently disposed “to intrinsic moral evil” and that their rights can be “legitimately limited.”

“Intrinsic moral evil”?

What unbelievable gall. This is the type of statement we would expect from a gay bashing, white supremacist, not the Pope. No wonder America’s right-wing punditocracy is all a twitter over his appointment; they know they’ve got a friend in Rome who shares their same worldview. (And, by the way, it was an appointment. Despite the universal belief that some form of democratic process took place, the reality is that “John Paul appointed all but 2 of the men who elected the new pope” (al Jazeera). That’s as close to a sure thing as an Ohio optical scanner)

Ratzinger, however, has been much more guarded in his opinions about pedophile priests. Perhaps, that has something to do with the various cover-ups that were arranged under his authority, like evacuating the serial criminal Cardinal Law from the Boston diocese. Ratzinger was apparently involved in arranging a sinecure for Law in Rome to save the Boston Cardinal from facing felony charges at home.

In another story recently run by Reuters, “New Pope shelved sex abuse claim,” Alistair Bell shows that Ratzinger was directly involved in “deliberately shelving a probe into [sex abuse] claims for 6 years.” The allegations were filed with Ratzinger’s office at the Vatican, and claim that nine former members of the Legion of Christ were sexually abused by the order’s founder Marcial Maciel.

By now we all know the drill. Once the claims are filed, the church elders go into lockdown-mode and hide behind a wall of denial. What a joke. The same characters that feel free to wag their fingers at homosexuals and scold struggling parishioners about the sinfulness of birth control, sweep their own criminal activities under the Vatican doormat. The hypocrisy would make a Pharisee wince.

Ratzinger’s intolerance stretches well beyond homosexuals and women. In 1997 he said that Europeans were attracted to Buddhism for its “autoerotic spirituality” that offers “transcendence without imposing concrete obligations.” He has been equally dismissive of Hinduism saying that it offers “false hope” and condemns its adherents to a “morally cruel” concept of reincarnation that resembles “a continuous circle of hell.” Similarly, Ratzinger laid out his belief that Catholicism is superior to other forms of Christianity in his theological treatise “Dominus Jesus” (Jesus is Lord”). The document angered many Protestants by its declaration that the real message of Christ, “subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him.” Skeptical Protestants took this to mean that the Catholic Church did not consider their churches as true.

As the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (which was originally called the Office of the Inquisition) Ratzinger led the crusade to silence or remove dissenters, visionaries and progressives. The office served as the papal “thought police”, rooting out the liberals and bringing them into line with Catholic doctrine. Ratzinger’s aptitude for this new task won him the appellation “Cardinal Enforcer”, the high priest of Catholic orthodoxy. In just a few short years he managed to stamp out “liberation theology” (the fusing of Christianity with activism), crushing the aspirations of desperately impoverished people in their struggle for social justice.

To his credit, Ratzinger was a strong critic of the war in Iraq saying that the invasion “had no moral justification” and that the concept of “preventive war does not appear in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.” Nevertheless, we can only guess what his feelings may be about the broad based, national liberation movement (“the insurgency”) that has sprouted up in reaction to the illegal occupation of Iraq. Also, how will the new Pope regard the nascent resistance movement in Haiti, where the democratically elected Aristide was removed in a coup organized by the United States? Judging by Ratzinger’s efforts to crush Latin American liberation theology, we can expect that the Pope will condemn these indigenous movements aimed at reclaiming their country through force of arms. Ratzinger won’t be delivering any “fatwas” from Rome, nor has the concept of “jihad” caught on in Vatican City. Instead, we can expect the plaintive appeals for “peace and justice” accompanied by tacit support to the powers that be. Traditional Church doctrine offers no relief for the struggles and suffering of the common man, just the “pie-in-the-sky” promise of an easier life in the netherworld. That won’t change under Ratzinger.

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Photos of the Concordat between the Vatican and the Nazis

Cardinal Secretary of State, Eugenio Pacelli (later to become Pope Pius XII) signs the Concordat between Nazi Germany and the Vatican at a formal ceremony in Rome on 20 July 1933. Nazi Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen sits at the left, Pacelli in the middle, and the Rudolf Buttmann sits at the right.

The Concordat effectively legitimized Hitler and the Nazi government to the eyes of Catholicism, Christianity, and the world.

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the captain may provocateur is in the Pope's pocket
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ww2 was not just about Jews
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globalists funded both sides
it was another globalist war for profit
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the communitarian side funded hitler
the third way left funded russia
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Many church goers don't believe that the Catholic church has been infiltrated by the fascist masons and are bringing about it's downfall with the pedo priests etc.

What i didn't know was the connection with Hitler, seeing the priests and high ranking officials giving nazi salutes in the pics above shocked me.

The false prophet sits on the throne of St Peter and is planning to decieve the world via the new one world religion of the new age, watch that space. literally.
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catholic church connection to nazi's
research the knights of St. John
and knights of malta
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Will do 288723 thanks for the that, what a tangled web of deceit Vatican II is, corrupt beyond measure and foul to it's core.
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the charismatic movement is also involved in this stuff..
Quoting Rick Joyner
(so called Prophet in the charismatic movement)


quote from a talk by Rick Joyner:
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...First, let’s read his account of that visit and about him meeting a Knight of Malta and hearing of their
interest to knight him.
"I was in Berlin with a man who is considered one of the foremost authorities on Nazi Germany, Colonel Eugene Byrd, who was the commandant of the Spandau prison, which housed all the war criminals after the war. And he’s the one who wrote the book, The Loneliest Man In The World, which was the memoirs of Rudolf Hess, who was Hitler’s number two man. And, Colonel Byrd had just taken myself and Paul Cain and a friend of ours on the most incredible tour of Berlin that day. And he had the greatest, I think, still has the greatest insight into what happened spiritually there. And, you know we went to Hitler’s bunker and we went all over the place and he just gave us a personal tour. (Joyner tells about Colonel Byrd being on Sixty Minutes.) And he gave Paul and I the same tour . . . It was one of the most fascinating days I have ever had in my life. And, uh, we were eating dinner (with Colonel Byrd), and I was saying and we’re talking all this stuff, and I said, ‘You ever heard of these Knights of Malta?’ And he said, ‘Well, I am one.’ And he pulls out his credentials. And he said, ‘You know, they still exist,’ and I knew they still existed ‘cause I had met a few around, but they are hardly known here, but they are known in Europe. And he said, ‘As matter of fact, this one knight, who is called a Knight Commander, has recommended you to be knighted and he’s looking for you now.’ I talked to him . . . They had been reading our journals and stuff like that and head of the order had been baptized in the Holy Spirit and wanted to see them become a spiritual force just like they had been a natural force . . . Colonel Byrd tells me this one guy, he was an Austrian Baron. He said, ‘He is looking for you. He’s already recommended you to be knighted.’" (Audio by Rick Joyner Ministries, no date on tape.)

...It’s overwhelming to listen as Rick Joyner tells the story of how he met the Austrian Baron that had
just come from Kurt Waldheim’s office to seek him out and conduct the knighting ceremony. Let’s read some detail of that...

"I’m sitting in the lobby (Nuremberg, Germany) with Bobby Conner and a few other people there and this guy comes walking in the lobby of the hotel who was an interesting looking guy. And Reed, who was Paul Cain’s assistant, was standing behind me. And he said, ‘Hey, there’s Newman Peyton.’ And this guy was Baron Newman Peyton, who Colonel Byrd had told me was looking for me. I said, ‘Reed, do you know that man.’ He said, ‘Oh, yeah, we met him years ago.’ And he came over, walked over to me, and said he had been looking to meet with me. And I stopped him right away. I said, ‘Bobby, give me a readout on this guy.’ And this guy’s going, ‘What’s a readout?’ (Laughter.) And Bobby goes, ‘Sir, when you came in I just saw something, I saw that you had just come from the office of a man named Kurt Waldheim . . .’ And his eyes got real big ’cause he had just come from his (Kurt Waldheim) office. And then he (Bobby Conner) said, ‘I saw you or I saw him opening this briefcase and giving you something out of it.’ And Bobby described the briefcase. And his eyes got real big then. He said, ‘This is incredible!’ He (Baron Peyton) said, ‘That is the only briefcase like that in the world. I had it custom made for Kurt Waldheim.’ And it was a weird thing Bobby had described."
(Morning Star Ministries, Rick Joyner audio, no date given.)

It’s extremely important to notice two things in this description by Rick Joyner. Upon this man Baron Newman Peyton entering the hotel lobby, Rick Joyner asked one of his companions to give him a "readout" on this man. A "readout" is another term for what they call a prophecy or better described as "fortune telling." These men are deep into sorcery as becomes clear in hearing this entire tape. Also, the man that Baron Newman Peyton had just visited and apparently represented in his approach to Rick Joyner is a notorious individual.

Kurt Waldheim is the recently retired President of Austria. He was also an officer in the Nazi army and "has been barred from entering the United States since 1987 as a suspected war criminal." (The Anti-Defamation League, 1999, A.T.L.) Kurt Waldheim was also recently knighted by the Pope, sparking the protest of many Jewish groups. Many believe he is guilty of atrocities against the Jewish people as well as British prisoners of war. The New Republic magazine stated that "the knighting (of Kurt Waldheim) also shows that the hatred of Jews is still no impediment to the esteem of the church (Catholic). Some say it was Waldheim’s only qualification." (The New Republic, September 5, 1994, V211N10, p. 50.).
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Excellent 288723, i also wonder if there is a connection between the Knights of Malata and the Knights Templars?
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all knights are knighted by the Pope
so, the Pope is their connection
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Photos of the Concordat between the Vatican and the Nazis

Cardinal Secretary of State, Eugenio Pacelli (later to become Pope Pius XII) signs the Concordat between Nazi Germany and the Vatican at a formal ceremony in Rome on 20 July 1933. Nazi Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen sits at the left, Pacelli in the middle, and the Rudolf Buttmann sits at the right.

The Concordat effectively legitimized Hitler and the Nazi government to the eyes of Catholicism, Christianity, and the world.

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Those photos certainly opened my eyes!!!
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is the OP catholic ??
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Where will The Pope,go to survive the coming Pole Shift??

Maybe Coney Island~
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Last I heard "Bennie the Rat" had a new 26 year old boytoy.

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