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Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees
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Emperor Kenton
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8/27/2007 7:54 AM
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289108
8/27/2007 8:03 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
Little Girl: Mommy,why do people think that the world is tilting?
Mother:Well Dear,some people want to believe the worst in life,because it helps them to feel that they dont need to try and do better for themselves or change the way that they are living.If the world may end soon then they think there isnt any point in trying.
Little girl:What a fucking Cunt! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289116
8/27/2007 8:13 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
Little Girl: Mommy,why do people think that the world is tilting?
Mother:Well Dear,some people want to believe the worst in life,because it helps them to feel that they dont need to try and do better for themselves or change the way that they are living.If the world may end soon then they think there isnt any point in trying.
Little girl:What a fucking Cunt! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 289108 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 284177
8/27/2007 8:14 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
Interesting. Middle of August I noticed the light changed like it does late September. It's a subtle thing I always associated with the coming of fall. This is in central Florida. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 284815 (OP)
8/27/2007 8:18 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
One odd point the tilt-guys make:
"The actual shifts occurred on Dec 4 & 6, 2006. SOHO (NASA/ESA) & NOAA claim there was a historic solar flare on Dec 5 & 6, 2006. Supposedly the largest in recorded history. They also claimed that this flare knocked down the world GPS satellite system. Yet, they did not announce this to the public until after all global scientists met in April 2007. There are no solar images for Dec 5 or 6, 2006. The dozens of solar images recorded daily and some twice hourly are all missing on the very dates they claim this historic flare occurred."
Partially true, missing SOHO data, but we captured this on the SXI:
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
See:
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 114296
8/27/2007 8:37 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
ya know thias all kinda scares me,
with so crap they don't tell us ,
what are they doing for us?
i ve been saying to my freind s
that sun wrong or not where i think it should
be, wich would mean the planet is not where it ashould be,
how we are the only ones talking about this.
fuck. |
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Jomama
User ID: 180153
8/27/2007 8:42 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
When my buddy tells me we all live in a hologram, I
tell him that it works for me, either way.
Tilt or not, I'll say the same thing.
to herd or not to herd
[link to djomama.blogspot.com] |
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No Way
User ID: 287087
8/27/2007 8:48 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
OP is not Kent.
Kent is strange (in a loveable way) but he does not subscribe to wild, baseless crap. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 230465
8/27/2007 8:58 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
Little Girl: Mommy,why do people think that the world is tilting?
Mother:Well Dear,some people want to believe the worst in life,because it helps them to feel that they dont need to try and do better for themselves or change the way that they are living.If the world may end soon then they think there isnt any point in trying.
Little girl:What a fucking Cunt! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 289108
Sums up the faux Evangelical Christians quite well. Those fools waiting for a magical rapture. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 275266
8/27/2007 9:25 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
OP is troll posing under a regular poster's name. |
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out of germany
User ID: 289147
8/27/2007 9:25 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
thank you, OP Kenton, very important message!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Fée des bois.
User ID: 289150
8/27/2007 9:32 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
So this is why the leaves has already started to change color 2 weeks earlier this years. |
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john paul
User ID: 160859
8/27/2007 9:36 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
the earth hasnt tilted 36 degrees only 2.6 degree by NASA web site,they fear that the earth my shift completely...north is south south is north...up is down down is up...it my take days or weeks to tilt competely.  |
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Interested
User ID: 16567
8/27/2007 9:57 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
QUESTION FOR SCIENTISTS:
The guy making these claims says that the sun cannot ever set/rise north of the Tropic of Cancer...Is that correct or not?
Wikipedia defines it as "cannot appear directly overhead at noon any further north".
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When this was first posted a couple weeks ago I was like "horse shit" and posted along those lines.
Well, today when Kento posted I decided to actually read through what the tilt guy says to find errors and hopefully debunk it. Also looking for the easiest way to verify/disprove this.
Low and behold I never even realized, because I just moved here, but I live right on the tropic of cancer. Cool huh? You learn something new everyday.
I watch the sunset every night from work and having only been here a few months, figured it was normal. However, it definatley has been north of due west and moving a little further south each week since June 21.
Although not as extreme now as it would have been during the solstice, I am going to sight it with an expensive compass tonight and see what I get.
If someone could please answer my initial question and confirm this is a valid approach. It should be easy enough, assuming it is still north of due west (otherwise guess we will have to wait until next year), to photograph the compass sightings. I could photograph the sunset with a recognizable landmark ie. famous building (to confirm my true location) and the sunset with the compass lined up all in one frame.
I welcome any comments suggestions etc. To the rude folks if you wish to disprove this, as I do, please prove it is false and not just make pointless insults. |
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Humph!
User ID: 287087
8/27/2007 9:57 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
the earth hasnt tilted 36 degrees only 2.6 degree by NASA web site,they fear that the earth my shift completely...north is south south is north...up is down down is up...it my take days or weeks to tilt competely.
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Johnny Richter
User ID: 287353
8/27/2007 11:29 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
The lunar changes. The full moon rising and setting on the Northern horizon making it's way south over 14 days to have the new moon rising and setting on the southern horizon. As the year progresses the position of the full moon also creeps south and back again. That is, for example, Summer full moon in the North to a winter full moon in the South. Once a year the full moon will be visible for 3-4 days at a time on the Northern horizon.
Another way to check is mark where the full moon is rising tonight and in two weeks mark where the new moon is rising and measure the angle. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 266512
8/27/2007 11:38 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
OP is not Kent.
Kent is strange (in a loveable way) but he does not subscribe to wild, baseless crap. Quoting: No Way 287087
your wrong girly. if that's not kent why does he post links to kent's web site, cyberspace? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 16567
8/27/2007 1:32 PM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
Hmm, this now has my attention. Took some initial readings just to see if this warranted any further investment of my time and well...The sun 'is' currently north of my position at 21° 19' North. In fact, as best as I can measure, this morning the sun rose 15° north of 90° or of due east magnetic.
The exact 'official' location of the Tropic of Cancer is 23° 26′ N or about 144 miles north of my current location.
If I understand the article in question then the sun should have rose (as far north as it gets) due east on June 21st as vieswed from 23° 26′ N.
I NEED TO KNOW, IS ^^^ THIS TRUE?
It is now 68 days past the solstice. That is 68 days that the sun has been moving farther south. Can a measly 144 miles south of 23° 26′ cause the sun to today rise 15° north of due east or at an observed location of 75 degrees magnetic?
Let's figure this out folks! Either what is said on the page Kent linked to in the op is true or it is not.
Johnny Richter
User ID: 287353
hmm, while that is interesting...What does it have to do with this thread?
In my lay way of seeing things, as the earth's tilt has slowly increased over the previous 20 years (due to the melting of polar ice and subsequent redistribution of mass) the moon as well as all the satellites would follow it. No?
This is why I chose to measure the sun position as it would maintain it's relative position to the ecliptic allowing us to verify the hypothesis that the earth has indeed increased it's degree of tilt. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 16567
8/27/2007 1:34 PM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
GRRR!! Sorry about that...
′ = the sign for minutes, it looked right in the reply box. |
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Johnny Richter
User ID: 287353
8/28/2007 7:25 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
Hmm, this now has my attention. Took some initial readings just to see if this warranted any further investment of my time and well...The sun 'is' currently north of my position at 21° 19' North. In fact, as best as I can measure, this morning the sun rose 15° north of 90° or of due east magnetic.
The exact 'official' location of the Tropic of Cancer is 23° 26′ N or about 144 miles north of my current location.
If I understand the article in question then the sun should have rose (as far north as it gets) due east on June 21st as vieswed from 23° 26′ N.
I NEED TO KNOW, IS ^^^ THIS TRUE?
It is now 68 days past the solstice. That is 68 days that the sun has been moving farther south. Can a measly 144 miles south of 23° 26′ cause the sun to today rise 15° north of due east or at an observed location of 75 degrees magnetic?
Let's figure this out folks! Either what is said on the page Kent linked to in the op is true or it is not.
Johnny Richter
User ID: 287353
hmm, while that is interesting...What does it have to do with this thread?
In my lay way of seeing things, as the earth's tilt has slowly increased over the previous 20 years (due to the melting of polar ice and subsequent redistribution of mass) the moon as well as all the satellites would follow it. No?
This is why I chose to measure the sun position as it would maintain it's relative position to the ecliptic allowing us to verify the hypothesis that the earth has indeed increased it's degree of tilt. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16567
No, as the moon is not attached to Earth by anything other than gravity it, like the man made sats remain fixed in their current path. As the Earth slips further due to the loss of the vast masses of ice at the poles, the moon will orbit earth once every 28 days only north to south. The Earth continues it's 24 hour spin making the moon appear to move east to west only a little further south or north each day. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 284815 (OP)
8/28/2007 7:41 AM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
Rebuttal and debate by email
8/27/2007 11:03:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time
Dear Kent,
The assertion that a relatively sudden change of 26 degrees in polar inclination would not be noticed is ridiculous. Even the 2,000 mile shift posited in his article is a distance that all would notice, not only in the night sky but also in terms of drastic temperature changes far more extreme than what we are experiencing. After all, the precession of the equinoxes was noticeable even to primitive astronomers. We know this since ancient Egyptian and Babylonian astronomers were already well-versed in it, which is really amazing when you think about it. Thus, contrary to the bald assertion on the linked webpage that it would make little or no difference in the appearance of the night sky, that's simply untrue. It makes a big difference as to when celestial objects appear above the horizon, when they can be found at a certain time of night on the star charts and so on. If the precession were suddenly augmented by an additional 26 degrees, none of our star charts would work, our astronomy software would not work, and so on. Also, if our continent were 26 degrees tilted into what is essentially the hotter area of the Earth half of the day, we would really notice that Even changes of smaller degrees of arc as one travels south have a profound effect on the ambient temperature experienced by the traveler. In other words, no way this guy is right.
SuperSleuth
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A permanent tilt does seem preposterous although I do wonder what this is all about. Could a CME temporarily rock the earth such as hitting a spinning top with a blast of wind--Kent
Effect of CME 12/7/2006 10:00
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
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Inuit seek answers to Arctic sun quirks
[link to www.cbc.ca]
Last Updated: Friday, March 9, 2007 | 6:21 PM ET
CBC News
Some Inuit say they hope scientists coming to Nunavut for research as part of International Polar Year can help shed light on changes they're seeing in the sun — particularly, how it's been showing up more often in the usually always-dark winters.
For the past several years, residents in the High Arctic have observed that the winter dark season is ending earlier than usual, with the sun coming up at a different place than what people are used to seeing.
"The people [are] talking about earlier sunrise, more light in the dark season, instead of being more total darkness than before," Grise Fiord resident Larry Audlaluk said Thursday, adding that he has heard similar observations from people in other Far North communities.
"There are notices of more daylight earlier, and the dark season is not the real dark season that we used to know."
A bit further south, Igloolik Mayor Paul Quassa said hunters have noticed the same phenomenon.
"This year, the sun started coming up so fast that it's almost like April when it's mid-February," he said.
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Scientists Spot 'Tsunami' on the Sun
[link to www.space.com]
So what would such a powerful quake on the sun do to earth?--Kent |
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Emperor Kenton
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8/28/2007 8:10 AM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 16567
8/28/2007 2:38 PM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
LOL, well I disagree but my model includes so called unreal influences as well however it is pointless to debate because the point is no one is looking at the moon and I couldn't care less where it is now, has been yesterday or will be tomorrow. Although the eclipse last night was pretty cool! ;)
My interest lies in someone explaining to me why the sun currently appears to be north of my position.
Come on guys...you will debate who's shit stinks more for pages and pages, but no one cares about this.???
If true, it potentially affects every soul on the planet. Therefore, this needs to be 'proven' one way or the other. How hard can it be? So far I have observed an apparent anomaly and need to see a published explaination which says the guy who made the website's belief that the sun cannot be further north than the Tropic of Cancer is indeed true.
Or, that it isn't actually north and there is something wrong with my method of taking a sun sighting as it crosses the horizon. I wish I knew what it was called but I am using a compass that has a gun sight type arrangement and you line up the sight and look through it at your target and read the compass. I use it on my boat for navigation.
I just wanted to explain I ain't trying to hold a cheap ass compass in my hand and guess where I think it lines up. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 119892
8/28/2007 3:16 PM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
QUESTION FOR SCIENTISTS:
The guy making these claims says that the sun cannot ever set/rise north of the Tropic of Cancer...Is that correct or not?
Wikipedia defines it as "cannot appear directly overhead at noon any further north". Quoting: Interested 16567
This is correct. The Tropics only define the northern or southernmost points at which the sun will be at local NOON (not 12:00, but when the sun is highest in the sky). Depending on the time of year, the sunrises and sunsets can certainly be well north of the Tropic of Cancer. Download any of the free planetarium programs, set it up for your location, and run the calendar back and forth over the course of a year to see the changes. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 204901
8/28/2007 3:50 PM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
I watch the sunset every night from work and having only been here a few months, figured it was normal. However, it definatley has been north of due west and moving a little further south each week since June 21. Quoting: Interested 16567
Yes. This is what we call Summer. Completely normal. |
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The Commentator
User ID: 204909
8/28/2007 4:26 PM
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Quoting: Emperor Kenton 284815
I thought you said there was data.
All that is one that site is a load of dingbat bullshit designed to appeal to other dingbats.
Where is the data?
non sufficit Orbis
Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.
"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"
Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill |
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8/28/2007 5:01 PM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
polaris |
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LS
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8/28/2007 5:04 PM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193421
8/28/2007 5:05 PM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
One odd point the tilt-guys make:
"The actual shifts occurred on Dec 4 & 6, 2006. SOHO (NASA/ESA) & NOAA claim there was a historic solar flare on Dec 5 & 6, 2006. Supposedly the largest in recorded history. They also claimed that this flare knocked down the world GPS satellite system. Yet, they did not announce this to the public until after all global scientists met in April 2007. There are no solar images for Dec 5 or 6, 2006. The dozens of solar images recorded daily and some twice hourly are all missing on the very dates they claim this historic flare occurred."
Partially true, missing SOHO data, but we captured this on the SXI:
[ link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
[ link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
See:
[ link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
If all the GPS satellits are down, why do GPS units still work?
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289926
8/28/2007 5:06 PM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
Interesting. Middle of August I noticed the light changed like it does late September. It's a subtle thing I always associated with the coming of fall. This is in central Florida. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 284177
If the earth's geometry has changed at all....then the lunar eclipse last night would not have occured at the moment calculated decades ago....
SO YOU SEE THIS IS ANOTHER FRAUD POST THAT CAN ONLY OCCUR AT GODLESSPRODUCTIONS
ANYONE WITH A BRAIN OUT THERE??????????? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193421
8/28/2007 5:07 PM | | Re: Has Earth's Axis Tilt recently increased by an additional 26 degrees | Quote |
Come on guys...you will debate who's shit stinks more for pages and pages, but no one cares about this.??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16567
Well MINE smells alot more than YOURS!!! |
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