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Grandmother suppose to die of congested heart failure in months. Is there any nutrition that reverses heart failure???

 
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You all need to be very carefull about giving out medical advise! Read, but ask your doctor about treatments and follow your heart. My prayers are with you.
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we tell about things that have helped us
the doctors have written this lady off
i doubt if anything we can say
could cause death any faster
than his curse
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You all need to be very carefull about giving out medical advise! Read, but ask your doctor about treatments and follow your heart. My prayers are with you.
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ROFL!

This is the kind of crap that is tubing your country. Love the AMA.
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Human growth horemone epogen because her body is starving for oxigen are a few.Everyone dies
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This is cool that this got a pin, and that Grey Lensman is around, both. Here's a super page about magnesium, the focus is on depression and mental illness, but there is a ton of other health related information and in depth information about how vital magnesium is for everything, and how we came to be deficient. This is a page everyone should read, very useful, and I found it here first at GLP! I think AC10 had posted it.

Magnesium information in depth:
[link to george-eby-research.com]
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Your grandmother has the greatest change of survival and recovery taking recommendations from people who are minimally informed in alternative medicine. Thats about all you need OP. Mainstream and orthodoxy will undoubtedly leave you disappointed in the end.
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Re: Grandmother suppose to die of congested heart failure in months. Is there any nutrition that reverses heart failure???
get her on glyconutrients pronto

the main item is ambertose powder

it is a nutrient, won't interfere with any medication and it is the essential 8 sugars that the body needs to heal itself, many doctors are finally reading up on this and are taking it themselves
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jessh shes terminal. treat her endocrine system! Vitimens ?????? are u kidding me.Inject her with oxigen producing horemones , restore the endocrine system. ie amino acids
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get her on glyconutrients pronto
Insulin would be the way to go:o

the main item is ambertose powder

it is a nutrient, won't interfere with any medication and it is the essential 8 sugars that the body needs to heal itself, many doctors are finally reading up on this and are taking it themselves
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I'd get her stabilized before I even considered alpha lipoic acid. Doctors love to load their heart patients up on this stuff, but it is downright deadly for those with mercury amalgams. Don't use this without doing your homework.
Big doses of coQ10, vitamin E & essential fatty acids are all good - I experienced a huge improvement in circulation and resolution of symptoms I'd had for 12 years, with just a couple weeks on these goodies.
Liberal amounts of transdermal magnesium oil - magnesium is huge for heart health and this is the most organic and absorbable form I know of.
A good organic form of iodine daily with selenium. Iodine needs selenium to absorb properly, and the selenium is also an antioxidant.
ALL health problems improve with good basics like digestive enzymes, probiotics and some kind of yeast protocol. By the time someone has congestive heart failure, their body has been in a state of ill-health for a good, long time.
Forget everything you've been taught by allopathic medicine about what causes disease. If you're sick, you're probably ate up with pathogens, so a good anti-pathogen/yeast protocol can provide a lot of help in regaining overall health.
Liver support and bodily cleanses can lower the total toxic load, allowing the body's resources to focus on healing.
Avoid all additives, dyes, msg, aspartame - all of it.
Consider a water cure-type fast or diet restricted to raw food for a few weeks. Plenty of CLEAN water, free of hormones, pathogens, fluoride, etc.
There are plenty of other things that can help - I'd do as many as I could afford.
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Don't do any water-fasting, cleansing or drastic diet changes like raw without knowing the condition of her adrenals and toxic load. She should not do anything drastic that might overload her kidneys with toxins. The herxheimer reaction is a bad sign and indicates toxins being recirculated in the blood because to load is too great for normal excretion. A young person might be able to handle it but not a granny. The kidneys are involved in the later stages of congestive heart failure. Serrapeptase is a good suggestion, also look at seaprose, Phi-zymes,Vitalzyme X, Buoloke...you're looking for proteolytic/systemic enzymes here. They will clean debris from the blood and dissolve scar tissue as stated. These are anti-inflammatory substances and she should look into anti-inflammatory foods and stay away from pro-inflammatory foods or she'll be wasting all these supplements on fighting results of a crappy diet instead of reversing her condition.
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check out, The Cure for All Diseases by Hulga Regehr Clard, PhD., N.D.
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CoQ10, magnesium, hawthorne, cayenne, alpha lipoic acid, lily of the valley, garlic.
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My friends would second that .....especially Hawthorne
since several of them take Hawthorne daily.

I have read that NAC is good for the lungs.....

heart and lungs work together.....

I would take it for myself but you should consult with a physician first.
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Here's the page at VitaCost for CoQ10 supplements. You can use the sort function to sort them by price, etc. I have used their "house brand" NSI for other things and thought they were a good value. Haven't bought CoQ10 for a while, it's a little pricey. Anyway take a look, vitacost is a great company, lowest prices around, I order from them a lot:

[link to www.vitacost.com]
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blessings, many thanks
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rife machine, edondocrine system jump start.fuck doctors unless dealng with pain.In fack fuck all tars who dont realize she is terminal and need natural horemone , parasite remedy.shit , she must have 5 pounds of parasites shitting in her as time goes on:(
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Here's the page at VitaCost for CoQ10 supplements. You can use the sort function to sort them by price, etc. I have used their "house brand" NSI for other things and thought they were a good value. Haven't bought CoQ10 for a while, it's a little pricey. Anyway take a look, vitacost is a great company, lowest prices around, I order from them a lot:

[link to www.vitacost.com]
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I can 2nd that, I buy everything from them.
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op her endocrine system is dead, she has parasites
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traditionally trained doctors know nothing of nutrition and natural treatments
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"CELLFOOD" [link to www.cellfoodusa.com]

By a juicer and juice fruits & vegetables at least once a day. Drink immediately.
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CoQ10 reverses heart failure. It is prescribed as a medicine in Japan for that purpose.

I use it for mitral valve prolapse and it works SUPER. Years of symptoms vanished in a month. Been taking it for years now.
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Interesting....LEGION
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traditionally trained doctors know nothing of nutrition and natural treatments
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Well said, doctors kill millions yearly that are to stupid to turn to nutrition.
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most pharma drugs destroy the liver
some more quickly thann others
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No post has addressed the kidney connection. It has been my experience to note that congestive heart failure begins with failing kidneys. People prescribed Celebrex for arthritis are often victims of this because their physicians didn't follow through on what was happening internally.

A doctor of an acquaintance, whose mother had been taking Celebrex and on dialysis, said Celebrex destroys the kidneys. My aunt died of congestive heart failure after having been on Celebrex for some time. She quit taking it, but the damage was done...her kidneys were shot.
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i addressed the kidneys by recommending enzymes and drinking lots of water
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From:

[link to www.circuprime.com]


Nattokinase

By Kenneth Proefrock, NMD

Nattokinase is a potent fibrinolytic enzyme that is extracted and purified from a traditional Japanese soy cheese, Natto. Natto is produced by adding the bacteria Bacillus natto to boiled soybeans and allowing the mixture to ferment. It has been used in Japan for over 1000 years; it has a very unique taste and place in Japanese cuisine. The nattokinase enzyme is found in the sticky “threads” associated with natto. It was in these threads that the discoverer of nattokinase, Dr. Hiroyuki Sumi, first found this remarkable enzyme. Dr. Sumi was working as a researcher at Chicago University Medical School in 1980 looking for potential thrombolytic agents, and found nattokinase to have a potency matched by no other enzyme.1

Nattokinase is a 275 amino acid peptide with a similar structure and function to the endogenous enzyme plasmin. Plasmin is a thrombolytic enzyme that is produced in the insides of the blood vessels, in the endothelium. It provides a protective function by breaking down the bundles of fibrin and fibrinogen that cause clots to form in the vessel, restricting blood flow. Most of the clinically useful clot disintegrators in medicine work by enhancing the effects of plasmin on blood clots; these include tissue plasminogen activator, urokinase, and streptokinase. These medications, unfortunately, have to be given intravenously because they are inactivated by the digestive tract. Nattokinase also has its effects on blood clots by enhancing plasmin’s activity, it, however, is active orally.2 In addition to being orally active, nattokinase also has a much longer half-life than many of the intravenously administered agents, this helps ensure the breakdown of existing clots and helps keep the blood thin enough to prevent future clots.3 Relatively thinner blood takes less pressure to move through blood vessels and is more easily perfused into the end tissues. These are two phenomenon that allow nattokinase the ability to help reduce systolic blood pressure and restore a certain healthy vigor to those tissues that have been compromised by poor blood flow.4

Nattokinase has also been shown to suppress the thickening of blood vessels related to arteriosclerosis, or hardened arteries.5,6 The implications of this finding are huge as it pertains to heart disease. The progressive hardening of the arteries in response to inflammatory events that a cardiovascular system is exposed to is one of the leading causes for hypertension, stroke and congestive heart failure. Senile dementia is most often caused by inadequate perfusion of the brain with oxygenated blood. This can result from poor blood flow through narrowed and hardened cerebral blood vessels, it can also result from “mini-strokes” that are a result of focal areas of sclerosis or scarring where adequate blood was simply not available to keep the tissue alive. As the arteries and arterioles harden, they are less able to expand to accommodate the bolus of blood that the heart pushes through the system with each heartbeat. It is this bolus that one is feeling when you check your pulse in your wrist or neck. Nattokinase holds the promise of being able to reverse these age related oxidative changes, both by suppressing further hardening of the intimal layer of blood vessels as well as by ensuring better tissue perfusion by providing a thinner blood. This same scenario is also true in the heart muscle that has suffered ischemia, in many cases for years of a person’s life, by providing better perfusing blood and suppressing the hardening of the intimal layers of the cardiac blood vessels one may be able to restore a certain degree of cardiac function.

Heart disease is the number one killer in this country, 40% of the people who will die this year will die from heart disease. It is well established and well known that this is a disease of lifestyle, unfortunately, by the time that a person begins to exhibit symptoms related to their illness, the damage has already been done. We would all do well to adopt a more healthful diet, one rich with fruits and vegetables with clean, low-fat protein sources. We would all do well to adopt a regular regimen of exercise and turn our backs on the sedentary, yet stressful lifestyles that propel us towards heart disease. The reality is that, for any number of reasons, few of us ever engage these changes in lifestyle and heart disease remains the number one cause of death. Nattokinase provides a very real intervention that holds the possibility of helping many people regardless of lifestyle changes.
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CoQ10, magnesium, hawthorne, cayenne, alpha lipoic acid, lily of the valley, garlic.
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Or you could just get Kardovite.

[link to www.heartdrop.com]
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i addressed the kidneys by recommending enzymes and drinking lots of water
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That's good, but the kidneys must eliminate the water. A good kidney-cleansing tea would be ideal to get the kidneys functioning properly. Pycnogenol is one of the most potent anti-oxidants on the market that is a wonderful strengthener for the entire cardiovascular system. If I were suffering congestive heart failure, I would use them first along with the juices...goji berry, blueberry, carrot, etc.

I have to agree with the poster concerning parasites. We all have them, and they are literally eating our lunch. Cold-pressed Aloe Vera is good for bowel problems. "Death begins in the colon". Do a search using those terms!
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Re: Grandmother suppose to die of congested heart failure in months. Is there any nutrition that reverses heart failure???
How old is grandmother? Is she ready to die, or does she want to keep living longer?

There seem to be an endless list of horrible demises, heart failure seems to be one of the few avenues of a quiet and peaceful exit.

Maybe Q10 would be good, otherwise just lots of loving family around.
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Go to Herbal Healer and click on ask the doctor. She has saved so many lives! I would say bilberry hawthorne berries and co q 10 and vitmins c megadoses. Also milk thistle to helpo the liver flush cholesterol. Red Yeast Rice, light niacin.

Most of all a RAW diet, NO fat, and Lots of water.
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I was just reading about dandelion leaf at Mountain Rose Herbs, here's the snippet that caught my attention:

"Dandelion leaf, like dandelion root, also is one of the best herbal diuretics. It stimulates urination but also replaces the potassium lost to the increased volume of urine."

That sounds good. Parsley is also a mild diuretic and both herbs have a lot of minerals and other nutrients, parsley is readily available, maybe make some nice vegetable soup and include some parsley in it? And think about getting some dandelion leaf, probably bought is better than dug up from the yard especially this time of year. Both could be sprinkled on any food, salads etc.
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All good recommendations for the physical, but don't forget the mental and spiritual. On the mental side she needs to commit to a holistic approach. A whole new schedule needs to be implemented. Some of the supplements mentioned need to be taken with food, some on an empty stomach. She needs to be willing to work with a new way of living. also, on the spiritual side, We all have our time to go. If this is her time no supplement or positive thinking will change this fact. if so, it is up to you and the family to let her go graciously. Think of it as a temporary time away from her.