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Grandmother suppose to die of congested heart failure in months. Is there any nutrition that reverses heart failure???

 
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CoQ10 is produced naturally by one's body!!! As long as one has proper nutrition - especially B6 and Selenium!!! A Clue then would be MUSHROOMS!!!!!!
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DO NOT do the potato-skin recommendation someone posted, potato skins have a blatant toxin and the 'eyes' and green layer under the skin have evil toxic drugs in them like hyoscyamine - it's just a scam to get you to pay good money for the industrial waste leftover from the canned and frozen potato industries that must dispose of their toxic inedible peelings that even the livestock industries won't buy from them for cattle feed by packaging them as "nutritional supplements". Don't buy leftover industrial waste at "supplement" prices.

nobody has mentioned 'Nettles'. A little of that, and a little potassium from parsely, and you will feel better; good enough to dig deeper on your own.

But the recommendations you've been getting here, do a google, put the substance they recommended + "MLM" or "network marketing" and you will see it's all "AMWAY" type brainwashed zombie disinfo by company reps and their gullible droids.

There's a company in Oregon called "Herb Pharm", and they were reputable until 1991 or so when they got greedy and started watering down their tinctures. Even still their formulas might still be trustworthy, just greatly dilluted from their glory days. They take serious chances, putting such toxic things as Mistletoe in their cardiac formulas based on their valid competence to deliver the correct needful dosage.

But screw them, I still say start with Nettles extract and potassium from parsely, not the popular but worthless banana-potassium myth, and afterwards you can see how you feel and adjust your strategy.

And cayenne is not a healer, i don't care what any "expert" says. It is a cardiac irritant, it makes your heart beat faster but not as deep, and that may lower the top half of your BP measurement, but that's the least important part, it's the bottom part that gives you strokes and it means you stuff too much salt in your pie-hole, but this is NOT a tonic effect, it is a toxic irritant effect. Also cayenne precipitates Gout and other arthritic symptoms. I crave red pepper myself sometimes, it is useful for opening circulation in limited circumstances, but cayenne is NOT "good for you".

CoQ10?, I was right there when the fad started 20 years ago. 10mg a day made me more cheerful. Increasing the dose brought me down, way down. Now you can only buy high dose capsules??? This is knowing and deliberate subterfuge, maybe by drug interests ruining formerly viable options. this crap is ONLY beneficial in trace amounts. The so-called "window" effect where too much is worse than none at all.

It's extracted from "Solanaceous plants" like potato and tobacco, did you know that?


SCREW the recommendations you got in this thread, get some herbal drops of Stinging Nettle, get some potassium from Parsely NOT from pills, stop eating stuff with MSG/Monosodium Glutamate, do that and you will improve enough to google further facts from a standpoint of hope instead of fear.

Grammy doesn't have to die just yet. When you prepare her food, soak the meat in two or three changes of water to get the chemicals out of it before cooking, then finally cook it by boiling. If she has problems going to the bathroom, she probly won't admit it, but give her tea made out of prunes or raisins. Brussels Sprouts are a green leafy veg high in minerals and they also loosen your bowels.

Do all the above, don't get suckered by MLM reps of debateable "supplements".

Please consider this: Even If I were completely WRONG(which I'm NOT), I didn't advise anything that could harm Grammy. So don't think about it, just do it. These elders took care of you when you were just little kids, and now it falls upon you to help THEM, and they're trusting you to do so. So don't "think" about it, just *DO* it. We've got the rest of Eternity to be dead, it doesn't have to start NOW.
 Quoting: Reptilecus 292569


chuckle

yup... dont do any healthy dietary changes just eat stinging nettles cuz they arent an irritant or anything...

parsley is good but hardly the "cure", however i would agree with adding some to the diet or broth...


ps for granny:dont listn to reptillians... they are the enemy and they are grumpychuckle
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Re: Grandmother suppose to die of congested heart failure in months. Is there any nutrition that reverses heart failure???
Nattokinase has proven to be a most dramatic solution to heart and circulative problems! It usually solves things quite quickly as well!!! There is a lot of info out there if one Googles it!!!

I believe that it has a lot to do with the probiotics ("friendly" bacteria) in it - also referred to as metabolic enzymes. There are hundreds of different probiotics - each have it's own job/mission. Interestingly, if one starts researching about probiotics - one will find a host of "cures" for many many things!!!

One does have to be careful of using these natural helpers with pharmacuticals, though!! It is these pharmacuticals that are the wild card which will cause an imbalance!!! So if one is already taking these medicines they will have to work with a medical practioner (hopefully one that knows more than the pharmacutical education)!

Here is but one link with some info - but please do further research as well:
[link to members.shaw.ca]

Excerpt:

"Metabolic Enzymes Reduce Heart Attack and Stroke


The biggest cause of heart disease and stroke is excess clotting; the biggest cause of organ failure is fibrosis. Both of these and also peripheral arterial disease result from the reduced production of the body's anti-clotting enzyme as one ages. Medicine considers excess clotting to be a disease that it can treat indefinitely with blood thinners or correct with heart bypass surgery or amputations; medicine knows of no cure. But circulatory disorders have been preventable and reversible for decades using a non-medical technique that simply addresses the cause...."
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Re: Grandmother suppose to die of congested heart failure in months. Is there any nutrition that reverses heart failure???
KEEP IT COMING,

I MISSED THE POTATO SKINS, SO AS I KEEP SAYING, YA GOTTA

CHECK.

THE PEOPLE THAT DO THAT ARE CRIMINAL.

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Re: Grandmother suppose to die of congested heart failure in months. Is there any nutrition that reverses heart failure???
Oral Chelation.

Here is a link to a website that explains what it is and that has some very good products to complete the process.

[link to www.oralchelation.com]
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Re: Grandmother suppose to die of congested heart failure in months. Is there any nutrition that reverses heart failure???
Taurine 6 grams a day divided into three doses. 600 mg coQ10 divided into two doses and taken with fish oil , take fish oil 40 ml a day must be liquid. 3000 mg L carinite , 1 tsp cayenne pepper with half a lemon and a touch of honey . Two glasses of Welchs grape juice. Formula HR available from www.honeycomb.com its from honey comb industries , Hawthorne berry tea at four tea bags strong. 6 grams l arginine. I am a biochemist and can attest that this regimen has done amazing things. Also breathing exercises help significantly abdominal breathing, deep breathing, bellows breathing , and covering a nostril and inhaling through the other deeply alternating between nostril. 1/2 a teaspoon of turmeric in warm water. Also keeping her feet elevated while at rest. And 25 minutes of walking a day.
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Re: Grandmother suppose to die of congested heart failure in months. Is there any nutrition that reverses heart failure???
high doses coQ10???
fatty acids???
L- carnitine???
will these or any thing else???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82347


The short answer is no. The heart attempt to repair itself with scar tissue. It's not able to repair the damage. Some kinds of heart failure cause hypertrophy of some parts of the heart, but that leads to high blood pressure, and eventual failure. Some kinds of heart failure leads to dialation of the chamber and this leads to inefficiency.

In addition, the strands which control the heart valves opening and closing tend to weaken and fray and often poorly close and make the situation far worse. In addition, the person often has clogged arteries from inflamation and so there heart is pumping harder than it needs to. Garlic helps this, but your grandmother is in an advanced state.

You can extend life by minimizing salt. This is often a side factor as it contributes to the heart having to work harder and harder to pump the same amount and do more work. Weight loss also helps as long as it's a loss of fat. All people can benefit from exercise.

You should help them improve the quality of life. The end is a terrific struggle for them to breathe and painful to watch.

Be with them, sharing stories, helping them to make peace with past broken relationships, getting closer to God, these are the things most beneficial at the end of Life.
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Re: Grandmother suppose to die of congested heart failure in months. Is there any nutrition that reverses heart failure???
I'd get her stabilized before I even considered alpha lipoic acid. Doctors love to load their heart patients up on this stuff, but it is downright deadly for those with mercury amalgams. Don't use this without doing your homework.
Big doses of coQ10, vitamin E & essential fatty acids are all good - I experienced a huge improvement in circulation and resolution of symptoms I'd had for 12 years, with just a couple weeks on these goodies.
Liberal amounts of transdermal magnesium oil - magnesium is huge for heart health and this is the most organic and absorbable form I know of.
A good organic form of iodine daily with selenium. Iodine needs selenium to absorb properly, and the selenium is also an antioxidant.
ALL health problems improve with good basics like digestive enzymes, probiotics and some kind of yeast protocol. By the time someone has congestive heart failure, their body has been in a state of ill-health for a good, long time.
Forget everything you've been taught by allopathic medicine about what causes disease. If you're sick, you're probably ate up with pathogens, so a good anti-pathogen/yeast protocol can provide a lot of help in regaining overall health.
Liver support and bodily cleanses can lower the total toxic load, allowing the body's resources to focus on healing.
Avoid all additives, dyes, msg, aspartame - all of it.
Consider a water cure-type fast or diet restricted to raw food for a few weeks. Plenty of CLEAN water, free of hormones, pathogens, fluoride, etc.
There are plenty of other things that can help - I'd do as many as I could afford.
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This is true. I got very sick and almost died from taking ALA while I had mercury fillings in. I would do Co Q10 and hawthorne, and also from Jin Shin Jyutsu, hold the pinky finger until you feel a strong regular pulse as many times a day as you can.
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Oral Chelation Therapy with EDTA Calcium Disodium

[link to www.healingdaily.com]
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a pace maker would give
her 7 more years.
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Re: Grandmother suppose to die of congested heart failure in months. Is there any nutrition that reverses heart failure???
I hope you are reading through all replies... I do not have time to go through everything so forgive me if I am repeating info.

I work for a naturopathic doctor - German trained - very sharp. He gives his clients a hydrosoluable CO-Q-10 which has a much higher degree of bioavailability. CO-Q-10 in dry form, most CO-Q-10's off the shelf are not any where near as potent as physician grade CO-Q-10... We sell Xymogen brand CO-10... there are others that are comparable but this one is really potent. See Xymogen.com

She may also want to consider fish oil. I can never remember if the EPA or DHA in fish oil is the one for the heart. The other is for the brain. Either way you can find fish oils with an even balance of the two and that is just as good. Nordic Naturals sells a very clean one. BE SURE THE FISH OIL YOU TAKE STATES THAT IT HAS BEEN TESTED FOR AND HAS VERY LOW LEVELS OF HEAVY METALS otherwise you will compound your problems!!! Many health food stores carry high quality fish oils. (Heavy metals are the cause of many illnesses in our world today. Anyone who suffers some form of nervous system dysfunction would do well to get tested to see if they are high in mercury or lead as well as other metals.)

That is all I can remember for now...

Hopefully this has been of help.
 Quoting: Springsongs 226702


Be careful with fish oil, and also garlic, if she is taking blood thinners, which most heart patients are.
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Re: Grandmother suppose to die of congested heart failure in months. Is there any nutrition that reverses heart failure???
Carnitine, CoQ10, glutathione, Tumeric and garlic!

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