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Zeitgeist is a complete lie!
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 296914
 China
9/12/2007 3:16 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
btw. unban me plz admin
have done nothing bad |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224913
 United States
9/12/2007 3:19 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
Dont worry ,it is a sad attempt....they are desperate since its the last hour...cant fool any christians but only those who are already lost.
that video was propaganda against the christians faith ,1/3 of it trying to destroy the christ,like it happend in heavens its happening on earth ...what a waste,all lies from the father of lies.
Yep they will use the evil conspiracy and turn it against religion when we all know who they worship. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 295027
Key word worship, christians are just idol worshipers. |
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Chef Ramen Noodle
User ID: 259429
United States
9/12/2007 3:21 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
Zeitgeist does not have a shred of intellectual legitimacy.
Anyone who depends on that movie might as well be a low grade moron. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 209736
Yeah, the history of the federal reserve along with everything else in parts 2 & 3 was pure dribble. Are you paid to post here? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 224913
United States
9/12/2007 3:27 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
Even when truth is staring in your face, you choose to believe a lie.
Zeitgeist is nothing but a psyops by TPTB, and you brainwashed
zombies continue to gobble up their crumbs....
the only thing is the crumbs you continually follow will lead to your enslavement and eventual demise. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 189402
Kind of sounds like religion. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 296866
United States
9/12/2007 3:28 PM | |
Gradient 
Not of this world
User ID: 294221
United States
9/12/2007 3:33 PM
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Good thread, although it will fall on deaf ears. Sometimes people just have to smell smoke first.
"Do the work like you're in control, pray like God is in control"
glptrainer@yahoo.com |
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complete something
User ID: 296869
United States
9/12/2007 3:43 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
nope.
p.s. giving yourself a 5-star vote is bad form. Quoting: LS
Really? So LS posts stuff that's not LS's best work?
LS would rate LS's own posts less than five stars,
_always?
We're impressed! You have posts even better than this
but you're keeping them to yourself? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 296869
United States
9/12/2007 3:48 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
Zeitgeist does not have a shred of intellectual legitimacy.
Anyone who depends on that movie might as well be a low grade moron.
Yeah, the history of the federal reserve along with everything else in parts 2 & 3 was pure dribble. Are you paid to post here? Quoting: Chef Ramen Noodle
If only someone would explain the counterpoint to
the history of the Federal Reserve. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 189402
United States
9/12/2007 4:15 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
Good thread, although it will fall on deaf ears. Sometimes people just have to smell smoke first. Quoting: Gradient
This is true. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 296940
 Germany
9/12/2007 4:19 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
Lie yes, complete no. 90% truth and 10% lies is far mar effective than anything else. Most of the uneducated people here swallowed it hook, line and sinker. The synthesis drawn is definately one of the better sheeple mindfucks I've seen in my day though. We're getting really close to the end game. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 295890
United States
9/12/2007 4:19 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
Talking to a pretend "god" that is not tangible....
Yeah, that's real smart - bunch of brainwashed tards. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 189402
United States
9/12/2007 4:46 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
Lie yes, complete no. 90% truth and 10% lies is far mar effective than anything else. Most of the uneducated people here swallowed it hook, line and sinker. The synthesis drawn is definately one of the better sheeple mindfucks I've seen in my day though. We're getting really close to the end game. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 296940
Thats exactly what I said before. If the sheeple believe that the part about 911 is true and the part about the bankers are true, then it follows they will assume the religion part is true as well (and this is the part they MUST convince you of) in order to bring in the NWO. It is of utmost importance that they at least discredit Christianity at most outlaw it altogether.
So they have been rather slick about it and I am finding that is what they are doing of late.
Take the movie V for Vendetta, same thing. While I enjoyed it there was a lot of reverse symbology in it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 284977
United States
9/12/2007 4:48 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
1. The three stars of Orion's belt don't line up. Any line approximated from their general position will always describe the same line with Sirius. I have found no evidence yet that anyone called those three stars the Three Kings independently of the Christian legend.
Does it line up with the rising of the sun on Christmas morning? Absolutely not. I went to a site called Your Sky and found the view of the sky over Jerusalem on 12 December 4 BC. At sunrise, Orion and Sirius are not even in the sky. They are in the sky 5 hours earlier, at midnight, but a line starting at Sirius and going through the belt is pointing at exactly due WEST. And I believe GWWT draws the line as starting at the belt and going through Sirius, which puts the intersection with the horizon SSE, well south of the sunrise.
I checked 1 CE. Same thing. It's a flat out lie. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 142537
United States
9/12/2007 5:16 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
INCESSANTLY REPEAT THIS TO ALL CHRISTIANS,
THERE IS NO GOD AS YOU IMAGINE IT, THEREFORE ALL THAT IS BASED UPON THIS IMAGINED PERSONALITY, ALSO DOES NOT EXIST. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 284977
United States
9/12/2007 5:16 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
bump |
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The Spockster
User ID: 297114
United States
9/12/2007 10:26 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
First of all, I'd like to thank all the budding Egyptologists on this thread for their efforts in debunking what will hopefully be remembered as the most pretentious little independent "documentary" of the 21st century. (And I don't expect any Michael Moore project to ever eclipse this honor, because his interest in box-office earnings prevents him from putting to film delusions of this magnitude.)
I only plan on commenting on the first section. More objective documentaries (i.e. documentaries that aren't intended as propaganda and actually provide multiple interpretations of events, without overtly favoring one side over the other by referring to one of the proponents as having been "brainwashed") can be easily found in regards to part 2. As for part 3, well... having been initially disgusted by part 1, I have no real reason to take anything there as "believable", despite how plausible (I use that term loosely) everything is made to seem. I'm even willing to drop its accuracy entirely to preserve the validity of this threads title.
Now my objections to part 1 do not necessarily stem from any essential religious conviction on my part, but just simply my reactions to the sloppy and obnoxious fashion in how I perceived the material to be handled.
First some thoughts on the ideas of the apparently fledgling "astro-theology" movement, of which I was only first acquainted with in this film. Now it really can't be disputed that Christianity is filled with symbolic references, a number of them perhaps from pagan sources. But on this basis to just simply reduce every event and belief to some astrological correlate just strikes me as absurd. Perhaps the cognizance of the number "12" can be traced to the constellations, and that the writers of the Old and New Testaments made liberal uses of this number because of that significance. But in the end to simply state that Christ and his apostles were the sun and stars because of some sensationalist opposition to any and all Christian historical figures - even as mere humans - is, well, extreme. I also find abhorrent the total absence of psychological and epistemological factors of religious belief, which any avid fan of Freud or Jung would notice.
Another contention is limiting the significance of the "fish" as a symbol of Christianity to astrological occurrences. Many believe that the symbol stems from an acrostic one can form from the Greek word for fish referring to Christ (one translation reading as "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior"). Not to mention references to fish made directly in the bible ("fishers of men," etc.) But, of course, the target audience of Zeitgeist, who may have come across the symbol in reference to Christianity once or twice and always wondered about its origins, won't really care about its other sources while they're being thrilled by the "astro-theological" enzyme breaking down centuries of religious oppression.
And let us not forget to mention Zeitgeist's "proof" that a historical Christ didn't exist because four historians of the era (three of them pagan) graced their texts with only a fleeting reference to this apparently failed revolutionary. (It should also be noted that Jesus was not the only person to have been claimed as the messiah before the fall of Jerusalem.)
Finally, one must simply point out that objectively Christianity, regardless of what one chooses to believe of it, is simply not reducible to an amalgam of pagan beliefs. This is where Zeitgeist's interpretation appears most shallow. The Virgin birth, the three "wise men", the crucifixion, etc. are not the central dogmas that make Christianity what it is as an independent system of belief. For this we need look no further than Mircea Eliade's discussion of one aspect "time", in his book "The Sacred & The Profane." In opposition to the often cyclical nature of time found in most pagan religions, Eliade describes the notion of "historical time" (where time has a distinct beginning and end) as found in Judeo-Christian belief an "innovation of the first importance". And exactly what this concept of historical time makes possible is the theophany, that is, the perception of divine intervention in the progress of history - nod the ad infintum cycles of the gods past. Time has a meaning in Christianity, and not the insignificance of an eternal return. Similar beliefs that in Christianity have a very distinctive form are those of original sin, salvation, judgment, and the afterlife. These lie closer to the core of Christian belief than the virgin birth and Christ's birthday.
Last but not least, I cannot ignore part 1's conclusion regarding the identity of the Christian god. For this I'll just quote from something I saw on another board, for I can say it no better...
"...Christ being the sun god of Gnostics is rather an idiotic claim" |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 296622
United States
9/12/2007 10:33 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
INCESSANTLY REPEAT THIS TO ALL CHRISTIANS,
THERE IS NO GOD AS YOU IMAGINE IT, THEREFORE ALL THAT IS BASED UPON THIS IMAGINED PERSONALITY, ALSO DOES NOT EXIST. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 142537
proof |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 296622
United States
9/12/2007 10:34 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
There is a false religious system in Rome that in the past has been responsible for ALL the wars, revolutions, Inquisitions, crusades, as well as banning the Most Holy Bible, creating the Illuminati and most secret societies that have plagued the world today with atheistic communism. As well this beast system in Rome is responsible for the pagan ideation of atheism thru their United Nations/UNESCO, Rockefeller funded Findhorn Foundation and Lucis Trust Theosophy Society.
[link to www.lucistrust.org]
[link to www.findhorn.org]
"The Findhorn Foundation has been collaborating with different UN departments, conferences and agencies since 1992 and is registered as an associate member of UNED-UK (UN Environmental and Development-UK Committee) and as a member of UNESCO's Planet Society Network."
[link to www.seekgod.ca]
The allegations made in Zeitgeist, The Movie have been thoroughly discredited. Contrary to what you've been told, these are not new or suppressed ideas, but are based on ideas from outdated scholarship that became popular among skepdics in the latter part of the 19th century.
While these theories have been long discredited by scholars (believers and non-believers alike) they have made a reappearance on the internet by people with an ax to grind along the likes of Achayra S & a few others who try and pass themselves off as experts.
Most of their so called proof is based on half truth, distorted truth and in some cases outright lies. Fortunately, there is extensive apologetics also available on the web that debunks these falsehoods using well researched, footnoted and sourced references that anyone can verify for themselves.
Chrisitanity is the most well documented movement in history. Orthodox Christianity has remained unchanged since the risen Christ appeared to his dicisples. What has come to be known as the bible, the cannonized books were approved writings dating back to the first centruty. Constatine did not have any influence over doctrine or theology. By the time of the council of Nicea, sound Christian doctrine had already been established for more than 300 years. The council of Nicea (like all other councils) was called in response to heresy which was a problem Paul frequently addressed in his letters that make up a large portion of the NT.
Below are just few of the articles that debunk some of the people who run web sites promoting these theories.
Errors of The Jesus Myth
[link to www.christiancadre.org]
Earl Doherty, the Jesus Myth, and Second Century Christian Writings
[link to members.optusnet.com.au]
Earl Doherty. The Jesus Puzzle. A Critique
[link to tektonics.org]
THE HISTORICAL JESUS
[link to www.christiancadre.org]
The Historicity of Jesus: Overviews and Defenses
[link to web.archive.org]
Non-Christian References to Jesus
[link to web.archive.org]
Shattering the Christ-Myth: Secular References to Jesus
[link to www.tektonics.org]
Refuting the Myth That Jesus Never Existed
[link to www.bede.org.uk]
A Refutation of Archary S's Book "The Christ Conspiracy": Pt 1
[link to www.answeringinfidels.com]
Pt 2
[link to www.answeringinfidels.com]
Alleged parallels between Christianity and pagan religions
[link to www.bede.org.uk]
Mystery Religions and Early Christianity
[link to www.frontline-apologetics.com]
Mithraism_ Not an influence on Christianity
[link to www.tektonics.org]
Confronting the Copycat Thesis
[link to www.tektonics.org]
Pagan Parallels: Answers to the Copy-Cat Savior Theory
[link to web.archive.org]
Jesus a copycat myth
[link to kingdavid8.com]
And finally, here's a good review of Zeitgest, the movie
A Faith Based on Facts pt 1
[link to www.consider.org]
pt 2
[link to www.consider.org]
pt 3
[link to www.consider.org] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 292511
United States
9/12/2007 11:21 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
Christ is a consciousness that is as the "sun of god" itself, continuously giving. Giving love, giving wamth, giving life, and giving light (illumination). The historical Christ (IMO) knew of the mysteries and was keen to reveal this knowledge, a true rabbi (teacher). This teaching and a repudiation of eclesastical authority in favor of appealing to the spiritual authority that lies within the heart (the secret place of the most high) are part of the reasons he was killed. A living archetype, a master shaman, Iesus Kristos trully is the door, the light, and the Way(closet Taoist?). Because this he has authored with his own will, aligned with the divine. If he didn't exsist (historically) then why does the Babylonian Talmud have to curse him so? Why do the MSM have to take (or tolerate) petty swipes at Christ ala Sarah Silverman? Either that or they make all who believe in the message of the Christ out to be Fundie loons. "Son" of God or "Sun" of God? I chose "c"-both. Make the two as one. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 296530
United States
9/12/2007 11:49 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
you right jesus never existed
dont believe religion !!!
religion is scumbag
on the myth story jesus known as horus
on myth holy bible story jesus known as yaeshua
on myth holy koran story jesus known as isa
all fakes ,dont believe religion !!! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 297036
United States
9/13/2007 12:15 AM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
those who don't believe in Jesus. Did you ever consider that Jesus maybe doesn't come back because the people as a whole don't want him back? At least they don't right now. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 297036
United States
9/13/2007 12:19 AM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
It's sad but I believe that most people who hate Jesus really don't know who he is. You are misinformed of him. If you asked to know him for yourself inside, you would know what I'm talking about. I happen to know that God does exist because I just know. Most of you who deny Jesus are just angry about your lives. That is understandable but the whole game of life was that we were given free will and thus, Jesus shows himself only when we are ready. Jesus wants people to love him voluntarily. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 290784
United States
9/13/2007 12:21 AM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
It's sad but I believe that most people who hate Jesus really don't know who he is. You are misinformed of him. If you asked to know him for yourself inside, you would know what I'm talking about. I happen to know that God does exist because I just know. Most of you who deny Jesus are just angry about your lives. That is understandable but the whole game of life was that we were given free will and thus, Jesus shows himself only when we are ready. Jesus wants people to love him voluntarily. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 297036
You sound like you're 9 years old talking about Santa.
Does Jesus visit you in you bedroom late at night littl bobby/suzy?? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 21159
 Canada
10/3/2007 6:43 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 96486
dude it's true. to deny the existence of Jesus Christ is like denying the existence of George Bush |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 305389
United States
10/3/2007 6:56 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
Jesus' existence does not justify the creation of Christianity. Christianity is nothing more than an enslavement system established by those wanting to control the populace.
Jesus did exist, but his teachings and his words have been incredibly distorted over the years to turn his teachings of Oneness into a control mechanism, one based off of fear. You will NOT, I repeat, NOT, be sentenced to eternal damnation in hellfire for not accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and for not following the Christian religion.
Jesus, the Buddha, all of the prominent figures of religion in this material world showed us what was possible when we rid ourselves of the 3rd dimensional cage known as the ego. The ego is why this world is so screwed up, when we are able to come together in unity as shown by Jesus, Buddha, etc., we will be able to achieve things you can't even imagine in this 3rd dimensional plane.
Many have realized this truth, and have achieved 4th dimensional consciousness in the 3rd dimensional world. That is why many at this time feel like they don't belong here, they don't feel complete and nothing obtained in this physical world will ever satisfy them because of their personal evolution. Many have evolved to this state, and many have not. Many are still trapped in the cage known as the ego, and they will deny it to their dying day if they must. You do not know what it means to truly be free unless you experience it.
This is a wonderful time to be alive, we all have chosen to be here at this exact moment in time to experience the shift to the Golden Age, many will ascend past the 3rd dimension, and there will those who choose not to, for their personal evolutionary path involves staying in the 3rd dimension until they are ready to ascend to the 4th dimension and beyond.
Those who are ready can feel it, it is unexplainable in our earthly vocabulary, for words are just that, words. They do not actually define existence.
Feel, do not think. |
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White_Wolf_Anubis
User ID: 305458
United States
10/3/2007 7:32 PM
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I don't know where to start: this video is a complete lie.
First off, the video is full of misinformation about Horus. He was baptized? Oh really! I would love to see a source for that!
Most of the supposed parallels are completely untrue!
Actually, Muslim apologists have been trying to do this for centuries--to say that Christianity is really just another form of paganism. But that's a lie.
Most of the information in this video seems to come from Acharya S's book, The Christ Conspiracy (1999), which is a sensationalist book which has zero academic credibility. If you want to learn about Horus you can read the ancient myths about him--
Egyptian Mythology: Horus
Encyclopedia Mythica: Horus
The Eye Of Horus
Tektonics: Horus, Isis, Osiris
Let's go over just some of the data:
1. Horus was not born of a Virgin--that's a lie.
2. Horus was not baptized. That's a complete fabrication. "Anup the Baptizer"?--show me where you find that! That's a lie.
3. Horus never walked on water. He performed miracles, but raising the dead and walking on water were not among them. Nor did he cast out demons.
4. Horus had disciples--but you can't show me a single reference to his having twelve. That's a lie.
5. Horus never taught in the temple at age 12. That's a lie. Read the accounts above--it's not there.
6. Where was ever said that was Horus crucified? That's a lie! He died in a later version of the story and was brought back to life--but Jesus' "resurrection" was more than a mere coming back to life. His body was transformed and changed. Anyways, it was only later added to the Horus legend.
That's just off the top of my head. That should give you some indication though about the reliability of this film. In short, its claims are lies that are told to sell books. But no scholar in the world would accept this stuff--only the ignorant. Anybody can get a book published or a video made and say whatever they want. That doesn't make it true.
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Again, read the ancient sources themselves and see what they say about Horus--he was not baptized, crucified, etc. It may sell movies and it may appeal to those who already want to dismiss Christianity, but the Jesus-Horus comparison has really no academic value whatsoever Quoting: Anonymous Coward 233659
i can only agree with you on these particular parts...horus has NOTHING to do with jesus...the WHOLE part of horus is a complete lie...FACT!
in fact, there's nothing which proves that jesus even existed...or that there is a "god".
seriously: we have more evidence for ufos and extraterrestrials than for "god" or jesus...imo religions were invented by man to control the sheeple even better. |
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Amishism
User ID: 307088
United States
10/3/2007 7:50 PM
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i can only agree with you on these particular parts...horus has NOTHING to do with jesus...the WHOLE part of horus is a complete lie...FACT!
in fact, there's nothing which proves that jesus even existed...or that there is a "god".
seriously: we have more evidence for ufos and extraterrestrials than for "god" or jesus...imo religions were invented by man to control the sheeple even better. Quoting: White_Wolf_Anubis
That's where you are wrong and you are changing the subject.
Even though the Romans destroyed the records, burned the libraries, there are still some first and second century historians having access to these records that do make mention of the biblical Jesus and a group of Jew converts to Christianity.
[link to www.forerunner.com]
Ultimately Jesus, being God, goes with the Word. So saying don't use the bible is not a good debate practice. The bible written in the inspired manner cover to cover proves Jesus was God. There were many prophecies fulfilled in the events of the first coming of Jesus. The 70 weeks of Daniel, written hundreds of years before Jesus is a very powerful example to those who have studied it.
[link to www.aloha.net]
The 70 weeks of Daniel prophecy:
End Time Delusions Part 2 "Tribulation Delusions"
[link to video.google.com]
The Jesuits would have us believe there is a seven year tribulation period. This seven years was taken from the last week of the seventy weeks, removed with a 2000 year gap. The seventy weeks were fulfilled in Jesus. Amen
There is 0 evidence for ET. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 295517
United States
10/3/2007 8:02 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
There is 0 evidence for ET. Quoting: Amishism
Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just like your belief of the Christian "god". Now, can you tell me why the public does not have access to ET evidence besides the thousands of eyewitnesses out there who have seen them. Come on good little sheep, think, I know you can do it. |
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just think
User ID: 309161
United States
10/7/2007 12:17 PM | | Re: Zeitgeist is a complete lie! | Quote |
"it was an absolutely inaccurate translation"
along with the bible, so the fact is we don't know, and we will never know, anything that goes on or has gone on because time warps stories and people warp stories. |
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zacksavage
~~Unbound~~
User ID: 290784
United States
10/7/2007 12:21 PM
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Survey says;
No.
Z
Free your mind,...Your Ass will follow. |
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