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A Matter Of Time
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The real reason that the Bush administration manipulated themselves into Iraq had to do with their search for an ancient artifact that has to do with time travel. Like the Nazis did there is an uber ancient clan that collects ancient human and extraterrestrial technology. Iraq is believed to still contain some of these powerful ancient artifacts, possibly secreted away or possibly not found yet. The only way that members of this ancient clan could get into to Iraq to search for artifacts, was to get unferrered access to Iraq. Creating a war in Iraq, under the flag of protecting against terroristsm provided the opportinuty.

Number one on the Iraq artifact list is what I will call a time machine. Whoever has access to this device, and whoever figures out how to use it, can gain ultimate power by manipulating the time line. Hussein never knew about this artifact so he never hunted for it. The ancient clan, which some Bush administration members (possibly past/possibly current) are associated with are using Iraq to fulfill their own internal phrophecies. Bush himself is not a member of this clan, but he is influenced and manipulated by them.

Bush knows that he has told many lies about the Iraq war, both to get into the war and now. He does this because he believes that he has a spiritual destiny that has to do with the legacy of his presidency, and fronting for the artifact search in Iraq is a greater cause for him. He believes that this time machine artifact, in Iraq, can be the greatest weapon for peace ever created. The clan, who has kept ancient secrets for thousands of years, allows Bush to believe that this is the agenda the time machine device will be used for. He has been fooled. The clan has another agenda, and Bush and world peace are not that agenda.

There is a possibility that Bush has caught on to the game and how he was manipulated, and that this may have put him at serious odds with this ancient clan. He suspects this because of who is financing major attacks against him and the Iraq war. He knows, that if the clan were protecting their interests in Iraq that they would never let these attacks create social and political challenges to his presidency. He believes he has been thrown to the 'dragon', but he doesn't understand why.

Bush has been quietly looking for scholars and scientists who can advice him on the ancient clan and the time machine device. There is no obvious evidence that the ancient clan ever found the time travel device in Iraq, unless the current state of Iraq and the continued attacks against his presidency. are evidence that the clan altered events in the timeline to create the situation as it now exists. He knows that if the clan had the time machine, and could utilize it for peace, then the whole Iraq mess would be wiped clean. Possibly 9-11-01 would never have happened.

Iraq isn't the only place that hides an ancient time machine. It's suspected that ohers have been found and used them to change timelines. Extraterrestrials may be involved. It is conjectured that the presidential election, with the very strange battle between Bush and Gore and election votes, was caused by someone using a time machine device to alter the outcome in a power grab. Bush was chosen because the time manipulators needed a president they could influence and control.

Anyone wasting their time on 9-11 conspiracy claims is being manipulated to create a diversion away from the real conspiracy, which is the manipulation of the timeline by changing what happens in the timeline.
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So, this time machine was the weapon of mass destruction. Interesting.
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So, this time machine was the weapon of mass destruction. Interesting.
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OF THE ATLANTEANS YES ..... BUT ITS NO WHERE NEAR IRAQ ... MUHA HA HA HA ....!

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whats more you wouldnt recognise it even if you were holding it in your HANDS ..!

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This post is very provocative and plausible. More and more information is coming out about the Nazi search for ancient artifacts and there attempt to manipulate time. Something about the Nazi time machine is in the book "The Brotherhood of the Bell". The Nazi time machine was said to have vanished before the end of WWII. Maybe it did and maybe it didn't. The Nazis had to get the time machine idea from somewhere.
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bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag
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Only an ignorant loser would put a bs flag up on this. I know you're ignorant because you obviously don't know anything about the topic, and you sure didn't have the time to do the work needed to check it out and think about it. Leave this thread to the higher IQ people on GPL and go back to a thread on 9-11 crap conspiracies. That's about your speed.
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it wasnt a time machine it was a gate .. that they were trying to open but something went wrong ...!

The Atlanteans used to open a portal to ship thorugh the genetic resources from the flora and fauna of earth to their home planet for study.

This was the true GOLD of earth ... mankind the slave race was given tokenistic gold - the Atlanteans had a great sense of humour.

Mankind never worked out the joke with their gold necklaces etc etc - that it is actually YOU that is the true gold of value. Metal gold is seen as a sign of power lol ... the Atlanteans only rewarded mankind with a red herring whilst they were taking much of the flora and fauna back to their own world. The true gold of any dveloped civilisation in the UNIVERSE is genetics not metal ...!

What advanced civilisations can do with genetics is create food .. create slaves ... etc etc ...! Mankind missed it and believed the Atlanteans held metal gold to be valuable it isnt - it is a good conductor of electricity is all...!

Wakey wakey ....!

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Frency harped on about this 3 months ago

dont hold ya breath on this one people bsflag
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The OP needs to study what physicists say about time travel before repeating wild claims he finds on the internet. The general scientific consensus now is that the 'timeline' of the world CANNOT be changed by a time traveller returning to the past. This is because, at the moment of any such intervention, the quantum world bifurcates into alternative versions (quantum suppositions of states become discrete states belonging to parallel realities), INCLUDING the one that allowed the particular future world from which the time traveller came. This means that, instead of altering THE future (according to quantum mechanics and the Everitt-Wheeler interpretation of it, there is NO unique future, as quantum reality is continually splitting into parallel states), the time traveller merely creates a few more possible versions of the future when he interacts with past states of the world. These must have had less probability of developing than the one from which the traveller came because none of them grew into the one actually inhabited by the time traveller. This means that returning to the past can NEVER alter the present for everyone, only the traveller's version of it. The time traveller can never return precisely to his own present world because the probability of that one happening has been altered by his causing a past state of reality to bifurcate. Travelling backwards in time does not change the present. It only generates additional versions of it belonging to parallel realities unoccupied by everyone else.

The thesis that ancient time machines have been recovered that have been used to alter our world - even if one were to give the idea credibility - does not hold up according to latest scientific understanding about time travel. But of, course, if you are willing to ignore science and indulge in wild speculation, please continue.
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1. What happened first what after US troops entered Baghdad? The entire Iraqui Historical Museum was invaded by specialist looters that exactly knew what's each single object there is worth. And tens of thousands of artefacts simply "disappeared". Also the catalog system was sabotaged in order that nobady is able to find WHAT was in the museum earlier or what was "removed".

2. OP is right IMHO except for two things. First: S. Hussein knew EXACTLY about the device and spent Billions of Dollars since 1995 to find it. Second: OIL is also a factor for war funding - and the one that in troubled times under pressure is maybe admidtable - to prevent uncovering the acient artifact agenda.

3. Research the attack plans "7 countries in 5 years" Ret. Gen. W. Clark spopke about in March 07 - virtually all oil producing countries from Lybia eastwars until Iran. AND geographically the whole bunch of acient Sumer, Babylon, Phoenicia and so on.

4. They're searching for clay tablets about acient (+alien?!) technology, name it e.g. UFO drive et all; and for a stargate-alike device to travel in zero time to other civs (s. Gaia Man's thread: "Fo Iraq I see only one important place. THE HIDDEN PORTAL! Desperate searching, late discovery." (5/16/05 - 1:19 EDT)).
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695 is tossing bs flags around like cocoanuts off the Zulus float. Carpal tunnel.
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The OP needs to study what physicists say about time travel before repeating wild claims he finds on the internet. The general scientific consensus now is that the 'timeline' of the world CANNOT be changed by a time traveller returning to the past. This is because, at the moment of any such intervention, the quantum world bifurcates into alternative versions (quantum suppositions of states become discrete states belonging to parallel realities), INCLUDING the one that allowed the particular future world from which the time traveller came. This means that, instead of altering THE future (according to quantum mechanics and the Everitt-Wheeler interpretation of it, there is NO unique future, as quantum reality is continually splitting into parallel states), the time traveller merely creates a few more possible versions of the future when he interacts with past states of the world. These must have had less probability of developing than the one from which the traveller came because none of them grew into the one actually inhabited by the time traveller. This means that returning to the past can NEVER alter the present for everyone, only the traveller's version of it. The time traveller can never return precisely to his own present world because the probability of that one happening has been altered by his causing a past state of reality to bifurcate. Travelling backwards in time does not change the present. It only generates additional versions of it belonging to parallel realities unoccupied by everyone else.

The thesis that ancient time machines have been recovered that have been used to alter our world - even if one were to give the idea credibility - does not hold up according to latest scientific understanding about time travel. But of, course, if you are willing to ignore science and indulge in wild speculation, please continue.
 Quoting: Theoretical physicist 298703

This is true, but only on that other timeline, not this one. I can understand how you have come to be confused.
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" The time traveller can never return precisely to his own present world because the probability of that one happening has been altered by his causing a past state of reality to bifurcate. Travelling backwards in time does not change the present. It only generates additional versions of it belonging to parallel realities unoccupied by everyone else.

The thesis that ancient time machines have been recovered that have been used to alter our world - even if one were to give the idea credibility - does not hold up according to latest scientific understanding about time travel. But of, course, if you are willing to ignore science and indulge in wild speculation, please continue.
 Quoting: Theoretical physicist 298703


The sciences you are talking about do apply within the boundaries of our 3d dimension, our actual physical reality.

Time travel technology uses physics from higher dimensions. If you accept the survival of the spirit (soul) after the physical body is dead, than you should accept the idea of time travel.
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Time it self is an illusion
one day man may attain speeds exceeding light making deep space travel possible, but i dont buy time machines
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One rationalization of this problem states that time travel was, by its very nature, discovered simultaneously at all periods of history. - Douglas Addams.

It's a silly fictional story, but I do believe the above quote.
Has anyone else noticed this elephant in the lounge room ?

Another block of writing from Elephant full of supposition and condescension whilst saying pretty much nothing. - EggNigma 2/2/2011
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Re ,can you expand in your info, please.
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Space/Time manipulation is older than the human race. The Hopi teach:


Space-time is not waiting to be discovered. Right here on Earth, mankind has long understood space-time, but those who understand it have kept the knowledge hidden.
Among those who have the knowledge are: The Jesuit Order; Cardinals of the Catholic Church; monarchs and ‘nobles’; Bilderbergs; Levites (the descendants of Levi, one of the
tribes of Israel, also known as ‘the children of Jacob’ Genesis 29:34); the members of a secret order who consider themselves to be among the ‘children of Jacob’ and the
Illuminati. When they speak of the 'world' they refer to the 'orbit' wherein our earth revolves. The Bilderbergs are blatant ‘in your face’ controllers who, while serving alien
‘masters’ nevertheless like to think of themselves as the elite ‘steering committee’ of our
Earth.

taken from:

[link to www.thebeloveddisciple.org]
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So, this time machine was the weapon of mass destruction. Interesting.
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That's one way of looking at it.
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The OP needs to study what physicists say about time travel before repeating wild claims he finds on the internet .....
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Show me where on the internet what I revealed is talked about, to the specifics of what I revealed. To my knowledge there is no other place but here and by my hand. Produce a link to this site you claim I'm repeating or be forced to rethink my claims. Producing a link to a site that only talks about the same old theoretical time travel won't cut it. I don't know of any published physicist who has practical knowledge with actual time travel. Can you refute this?
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1. What happened first what after US troops entered Baghdad? The entire Iraqui Historical Museum was invaded by specialist looters that exactly knew what's each single object there is worth. And tens of thousands of artefacts simply "disappeared". Also the catalog system was sabotaged in order that nobady is able to find WHAT was in the museum earlier or what was "removed".

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It's true that this museum was looted. But the people doing the looting, which happened before the fall of Bagdad, were Iraqi and not coalition. Most of these museum pieces have since been recovered, most returned by those who took them for safekeeping. Others from rewards. Others from fear. This looting caused an extra burdon on the clan's artifact mission because it delayed the search. They suspected that the time machine device itself wasn't being held in the museaum, but the museum pieces might hold clues to where the artifact might be. In the end no museum piece provided sufficient clues to where the artifact might be.
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If Hussein was unaware of this supposed device, then there would be no need for war and occupation in order to track down the device, infact war and occupancy would only compound efforts in searching for something that has such power, slowly slowly catch the monkey.

On this point ALONE your post is 100% bsflag
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2. OP is right IMHO except for two things. First: S. Hussein knew EXACTLY about the device and spent Billions of Dollars since 1995 to find it. Second: OIL is also a factor for war funding - and the one that in troubled times under pressure is maybe admidtable - to prevent uncovering the acient artifact agenda.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 298705


No, Hussein did not know about the time travel device. His power tools were oil and a tyranical hold on the country. Hussein did commission archeological digs that searched for ancient artifacts, but nothing out of the ordinary as these digs go. He believed he was the reincarnation of historical King Nebakinezzer (sp varies), and had spent millions trying to rebuild historical sites to feed his giant ego.
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If Hussein was unaware of this supposed device, then there would be no need for war and occupation in order to track down the device, infact war and occupancy would only compound efforts in searching for something that has such power, slowly slowly catch the monkey.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 235208


You obviously don't understand the tactical information I provided. Your personal sense of logic isn't logical at all. The game of war is to take possession of what your enemy has, and control everything. The opportunity to possess and control the Iraq region was not about to be passed over, thereby opening the possibility of finding and controlling the time travel device.
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it wasnt a time machine it was a gate .. that they were trying to open but something went wrong ...!

The Atlanteans used to open a portal to ship thorugh the genetic resources from the flora and fauna of earth to their home planet for study.

This was the true GOLD of earth ... mankind the slave race was given tokenistic gold - the Atlanteans had a great sense of humour. ...
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I'm not sure what you mean by a gate but I'm not talking about a fictional stargate, like in the movie and tv series 'Stargate'.

Your gold comment looks like something taken from a Zechariah Sitchen theory and his study of the Sumerian clay tablets. To my knowledge Sitchen never revealed that these clay tablets talked about a time travel device. If he did and you can point to that section, I'll take a look. Otherwise, for what I know, the time machine device does not function as you have stated.
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Space/Time manipulation is older than the human race. The Hopi teach:

Space-time is not waiting to be discovered. Right here on Earth, mankind has long understood space-time, but those who understand it have kept the knowledge hidden.
Among those who have the knowledge are: The Jesuit Order; Cardinals of the Catholic Church; monarchs and ‘nobles’; Bilderbergs; Levites (the descendants of Levi, one of the
tribes of Israel, also known as ‘the children of Jacob’ Genesis 29:34); the members of a secret order who consider themselves to be among the ‘children of Jacob’ and the
Illuminati. When they speak of the 'world' they refer to the 'orbit' wherein our earth revolves. The Bilderbergs are blatant ‘in your face’ controllers who, while serving alien
‘masters’ nevertheless like to think of themselves as the elite ‘steering committee’ of our Earth.

taken from:

[link to www.thebeloveddisciple.org]
 Quoting: ACDC 60081


Many cultures have developed a concept of time and illusion, with the Hopi on that list. None of these cultures understands actual literal time travel, except as it is couched in their spiritual beliefs. The link you provided is a site that is extensively flavored by religious and spiritual beliefs connected to the concept of time. Be careful not to wrap the quantum mechanics of the time travel device I speak of, and the spiritual beliefs or mythology of a culture. They don't mix.

You listed a number of groups that you claim have secret information about the hidden knowkedge of time travel. Explain why you have named these groups, if their knowledge is secret. How did you gain this knowledge if they keep the knowledge hidden? I wouldn't want to see you trying to hook into what I wrote with some conspiracy theory. That would only act to discredit my information through association.
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travel? where? time?..or our mind,we found ourselves.
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When viewed from a higher dimensional level time is a place. However, lest we forget the nature of the concept of infinity there is a place for every possibility that can occur. Infinite variations from any starting point on any timeline. An infinite number of branches at every instant in time. If time travel is possible then you will have no clue precisely on which branch of which timeline you will land.

If mass is equivalent to energy and energy cannot manifest itself without the flow of time then in part time is equivalent to energy.

In order to conceive of the possibilty of time travel it would be neccessary to translate the mass you wish to transport into a hyperdimensional space. The question arises, can matter actually exist and retain its nature in this hyperdimensional space.


One Truth....many realities
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This post is very provocative and plausible. More and more information is coming out about the Nazi search for ancient artifacts and there attempt to manipulate time. Something about the Nazi time machine is in the book "The Brotherhood of the Bell". The Nazi time machine was said to have vanished before the end of WWII. Maybe it did and maybe it didn't. The Nazis had to get the time machine idea from somewhere.
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The Brotherhood of the Bell is an interesting book. The bell was named the bell because it had the shape of a bell. Even though the book is about this bell, which the Nazis hoped would give them control over the space time continuum, the author falls short of understanding the topic. The author writes that the bell disappeared and was last seen taking off in a Nazi plane for regions unknown, when the US actually took possession of the bell at the end of WWII.

Asking where the Nazis got the time machine knowledge is the right question. The Nazi central group believed that they were the descendants of Atlantis. This is something that can be checked in historical books on the Nazi belief system. The Nazis sent out expeditions in search of 'Atlantean' artifacts and knowledge hidden around the world. The Nazis also wanted to collect every religious artifact possible, to use in their black magic rituals. They found a partial time travel recipe on one of these expeditions. Because it was partial the bell was flawed. It did do some damage by warping time.
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++++ Be careful not to wrap the quantum mechanics of the time travel device I speak of, and the spiritual beliefs or mythology of a culture. They don't mix. ++++

++++ I wouldn't want to see you trying to hook into what I wrote with some conspiracy theory. That would only act to discredit my information through association. ++++
 Quoting: A Matter Of Time 286753


So far you've impressed me. Your remarks tell me that you are genuine in what you posted. Otherwise you would have latched onto science fiction and spiritual time travel myths to gain believers in what you've written. A con artist would utilize people's beliefs and use those beliefs to hook them. Someone with something genuine to introduce wouldn't want to discredit their claims by associating them with popular but unfounded beliefs and theories.
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Time machine or STARGATE.

An Exopolitical Perspective on the Preemptive War against Iraq

Abstract

Most, if not all, criticisms of the Bush administration's motivation for launching a preemptive war on Iraq focus on a combination of the imperial world views of conservative politicians in power in Washington, D.C., and the corporate interests that drive the political agenda of the Bush administration. This study will provide a radically different political analysis of the Bush administration's motivation for going war, and of the explanations offered by his critics. This study provides an exopolitical analysis of the policy dimensions of an historic extraterrestrial presence that is pertinent to Iraq and a US led preemptive attack. It will be argued that competing clandestine government organizations are struggling through proxy means to take control of ancient extraterrestrial (ET) technology that exists in Iraq, in order to prepare for an impending series of events corresponding to the 'prophesied return' of an advanced race of ETs. The Columbia Space Shuttle may well have been a high profile victim of such a proxy war intended to send a message to US based clandestine organizations over the preemptive war against Iraq.
In conducting this analysis, this study examines the available evidence of an historical ET presence in Iraq, and then applies this evidence to better understand the contemporary political situation in Iraq. The study will then analyze the motivations of the main political actors in the prospective US led preemptive war against Iraq. The study concludes by making some policy recommendations concerning how to respond to the legacy of an ET presence in Iraq and its contemporary political relevance.

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