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9mm or .45 ACP? What is your preferred home defense round?

 
Duncan Kunz

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12ga, sawed off barrel, 15 rd special dispenser.

Simple. Many off you twits and your handguns would miss because of anxiety. I won't miss even with my eyes 1/2 closed from being woke up.
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Since I don't own a firearm and never will, I'm not sure what kind of "15 rd special dispenser" you'd need for a burglar (or where you'd buy one), but I do know that sawing the barrel to less than eighteen inches from the breech to the muzzle could get you a hefty fine and a jail term -- or worse, to which the late Ms. Vicki Weaver could attest!
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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You American's with your gun fetishism are truly embarrassing.
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Yep it serves as proof of how pathetic they really are, scared of their own shadows.
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You American's with your gun fetishism are truly embarrassing.

Yep it serves as proof of how pathetic they really are, scared of their own shadows.
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Just wait...you'll be wishing for something to defend yourself just as much as your desire for fresh air to breathe.
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Re: 9mm or .45 ACP? What is your preferred home defense round?
Neither. Using a pistol for home defense is foolish.

Either round you mentioned involves using an autoloader, not a revolver, which means you (or your spouse) have to charge and aim it under night-time, high-stress conditions when your adrenaline is rising through the roof.

Then you have to aim it correctly, hoping that the round doesn't miss the Bad Guy, go through the wall and kill your child sleeping in the next room.

If you think you must be "macho" enough to have a handgun as a self-defense weapon, at least get a revolver firing either a .38 special or .357 magnum round. True, it might kill the person in the next room -- but at least you'll be able to fire it without dropping it on the floor as you try to chamber a round.

Better yet, invest in a 12-gauge slide-action shotgun with an 18-inch barrel and load it with #7 dove shot (don't charge it until the Bad Guy gets there -- just the sound of the round being chambered is enough to scare most Bad Guys off). If you must fire it indoors at typical indoor encounter distances (<10 feet) the shot won't disperse to more than three or four inches, will be stopped by most walls (even interior ones) and will having the Bad Guy explaining things to Jesus in short order.

As most of you know, I don't own a firearm and never will, but even I know that kind of basic stuff about home defense.
 Quoting: Duncan Kunz
It's better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it. Good luck!!! Maybe if you throw flowers at your attacker....that might work!!! Hey...everyone has a choice. BTW....since I live alone there are no children in the next room.
For me I don't have to reload....there are about six various types of weapons lined up in sequential order ready to go.
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Neither. Using a pistol for home defense is foolish.

Either round you mentioned involves using an autoloader, not a revolver, which means you (or your spouse) have to charge and aim it under night-time, high-stress conditions when your adrenaline is rising through the roof.

Then you have to aim it correctly, hoping that the round doesn't miss the Bad Guy, go through the wall and kill your child sleeping in the next room.

If you think you must be "macho" enough to have a handgun as a self-defense weapon, at least get a revolver firing either a .38 special or .357 magnum round. True, it might kill the person in the next room -- but at least you'll be able to fire it without dropping it on the floor as you try to chamber a round.

Better yet, invest in a 12-gauge slide-action shotgun with an 18-inch barrel and load it with #7 dove shot (don't charge it until the Bad Guy gets there -- just the sound of the round being chambered is enough to scare most Bad Guys off). If you must fire it indoors at typical indoor encounter distances (<10 feet) the shot won't disperse to more than three or four inches, will be stopped by most walls (even interior ones) and will having the Bad Guy explaining things to Jesus in short order.

As most of you know, I don't own a firearm and never will, but even I know that kind of basic stuff about home defense.
 Quoting: Duncan Kunz



Um, sorry, but what kind of schmoe has a defense weapon in the "uncharged" condition?

The rest of your post does indeed sound as though it was written by someone who "doesn't own a firearm and never will".

As such, your input is extremely valuable.
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09/16/2007 10:39 AM
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Re: 9mm or .45 ACP? What is your preferred home defense round?
I would like to use .45 ACP rounds, but it's quite an expensive round to put through a gun. I prefer .9mm parabellum ammo (I have a Taurus 92 for home defense) but lately it's been in short supply around here, I've had to settle for .9mm luger--less accurate but better than telling an intruder "please don't hurt me!"
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09/16/2007 10:43 AM
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I own a Springfield Armory XD-9 9mm with Hollow Metal Jacket rounds (17 rounds), it would do the trick.

At my shop I carry a Walther P22 with factory laser. Just in case you wanted to know. ;-)
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9mm or .45 ACP? What is your preferred home defense round?

(And don't tell me you prefer a bazooka or some nonsense like that)
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09/16/2007 10:49 AM
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You American's with your gun fetishism are truly embarrassing.

Yep it serves as proof of how pathetic they really are, scared of their own shadows.
 Quoting: shameless 293724



you euro fags are a hoot! go hug your muslim brothers will ya? btw, that tingling feeling in your back is a knife

i am with Duncan on this, i will grab a shotgun everytime, may have a revolver as a back up in case i jam in all the excitement, happens, but pistols in general are an oh shit weapon

the exception being a driver in a car
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gun and child molester threads. guaranteed to keep running all day with everybody swinging their dicks. "i got this!! your little shit ain't shit!! i'd blow em to hell!! hang em so high the flies couldn't reach em!! a .45'll splatter their fucking head through the wall!!!"



LOL!!!
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Plasma Rifle in the 40 Watt Range.
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.40

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gun and child molester threads. guaranteed to keep running all day with everybody swinging their dicks. "i got this!! your little shit ain't shit!! i'd blow em to hell!! hang em so high the flies couldn't reach em!! a .45'll splatter their fucking head through the wall!!!"



LOL!!!
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how do you equate owning a gun with child molesters hillary?

i grew up with guns, started shooting at the age of five, it is a way of life in most farming communities, we don't have any crime to speak of

but all the help one could ever hope for
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Israel's Mossad

"The truth shall set you free."

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09/16/2007 10:58 AM
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I own a Springfield Armory XD-9 9mm with Hollow Metal Jacket rounds (17 rounds), it would do the trick.

At my shop I carry a Walther P22 with factory laser. Just in case you wanted to know. ;-)
 Quoting: Follower of Jesus
I do the 9mm hollow point but looking for +P and maybe the hydroshok or however you spell it might be the ultimate for those times when you'd like to send the very best!!!!
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you all think whether for for against you are so great. well not being a gun owner, even with a sling shot, i could make something banned by the geneva convention, personally i prefer prayer and presence, and if you dont want to believe that, to bad, it works, but only if you believe in Him.
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gun and child molester threads. guaranteed to keep running all day with everybody swinging their dicks. "i got this!! your little shit ain't shit!! i'd blow em to hell!! hang em so high the flies couldn't reach em!! a .45'll splatter their fucking head through the wall!!!"



LOL!!!



how do you equate owning a gun with child molesters hillary?

i grew up with guns, started shooting at the age of five, it is a way of life in most farming communities, we don't have any crime to speak of

but all the help one could ever hope for
 Quoting: malu
I did too and hunted groundhogs and bought ammo. at 12 but that was when kids knew guns were real and not some video game. If my dad would have caught me misusing a gun my ass would have been sore for a week.
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gun and child molester threads. guaranteed to keep running all day with everybody swinging their dicks. "i got this!! your little shit ain't shit!! i'd blow em to hell!! hang em so high the flies couldn't reach em!! a .45'll splatter their fucking head through the wall!!!"



LOL!!!



how do you equate owning a gun with child molesters hillary?

i grew up with guns, started shooting at the age of five, it is a way of life in most farming communities, we don't have any crime to speak of

but all the help one could ever hope for
I did too and hunted groundhogs and bought ammo. at 12 but that was when kids knew guns were real and not some video game. If my dad would have caught me misusing a gun my ass would have been sore for a week.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 108933
I remember when they used to advertise guns for boys in "Boys Life" magazine. Those days are gone forever.
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WTF is going on here?

It used to be the paid-poster shills (many moderators among them) would jump all over a thread about guns, bragging about the kind they have, how well they maintain it, that they're always pack'n, etc.

All of a sudden, the only paid-poster shill to comment has said he/she WOULD NEVER own a gun ...

The word has gone out, as we approach the '08 election there will be a major push for gun control ... which means disarmament.

60-100 million christians were murdered in the USSR between the revolution and shortly after WWII, after being disarmed.
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gun and child molester threads. guaranteed to keep running all day with everybody swinging their dicks. "i got this!! your little shit ain't shit!! i'd blow em to hell!! hang em so high the flies couldn't reach em!! a .45'll splatter their fucking head through the wall!!!"



LOL!!!



how do you equate owning a gun with child molesters hillary?

i grew up with guns, started shooting at the age of five, it is a way of life in most farming communities, we don't have any crime to speak of

but all the help one could ever hope for
 Quoting: malu

yeah yeah me too. my point ain't guns, it's the typial internet knee-jerk reaction to these topics. same exact thing every time. that's my point. and the hillary horseshit... HA!!
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...
I don't know what kind of "15 rd special dispenser" you'd need for a burglar (or where you'd buy one) ...
 Quoting: Duncan Kunz

the right to bear arms was put in the constitution to allow the public to defend themselves from the government, not from a burglar
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WTF is going on here?

It used to be the paid-poster shills (many moderators among them) would jump all over a thread about guns, bragging about the kind they have, how well they maintain it, that they're always pack'n, etc.

All of a sudden, the only paid-poster shill to comment has said he/she WOULD NEVER own a gun ...

The word has gone out, as we approach the '08 election there will be a major push for gun control ... which means disarmament.

60-100 million christians were murdered in the USSR between the revolution and shortly after WWII, after being disarmed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 296952



link please to those figures, want to read for myself thanks.
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09/16/2007 11:16 AM
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You American's with your gun fetishism are truly embarrassing.

Yep it serves as proof of how pathetic they really are, scared of their own shadows.
 Quoting: shameless 293724


You got it wrong, pal. An armed society is a polite society.
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you euro fags are a hoot! go hug your muslim brothers will ya? btw, that tingling feeling in your back is a knife
 Quoting: malu

Muslim loving fags, how original.
Would you like to shoot Muslims?
How about homosexuals?
You are so full of hate, I pity you.
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My personal home defense is not guns with ammo but gas. Aerosol is a great delivery vehicule for incapacitating agents. Sure the cats and dog might sleep a bit longer that day when an intruder makes the mistake of choosing my place as a target but I have masks that filter out the agents.
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Re: 9mm or .45 ACP? What is your preferred home defense round?
12ga, sawed off barrel, 15 rd special dispenser.

Simple. Many off you twits and your handguns would miss because of anxiety. I won't miss even with my eyes 1/2 closed from being woke up.


I don't know what kind of "15 rd special dispenser" you'd need for a burglar (or where you'd buy one), but I do know that sawing the barrel to less than eighteen inches from the breech to the muzzle could get you a hefty fine and a jail term -- or worse, to which the late Ms. Vicki Weaver could attest!
 Quoting: Duncan Kunz



Do you cross the streets at the cross walks only too?
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WTF is going on here?

It used to be the paid-poster shills (many moderators among them) would jump all over a thread about guns, bragging about the kind they have, how well they maintain it, that they're always pack'n, etc.

All of a sudden, the only paid-poster shill to comment has said he/she WOULD NEVER own a gun ...

The word has gone out, as we approach the '08 election there will be a major push for gun control ... which means disarmament.

60-100 million christians were murdered in the USSR between the revolution and shortly after WWII, after being disarmed.



link please to those figures, want to read for myself thanks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 298718

never heard of google?
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i'm sure there is some stuff amongst that info you'll find credible.

here are interviews of Mohammed Rafiq (who gives the impression of being an excellent researcher and extremely credible) and Tex Marrs. You can also find these by GLP searching for "paranoid rant" (humorous title, not really paranoid at all).


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12 ga. pumpkin ball




ditto...no brainer


shotgun in close
auto rifle otherwise.
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I also think its the only way to go in close.
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09/16/2007 11:34 AM
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Re: 9mm or .45 ACP? What is your preferred home defense round?
I would like to use .45 ACP rounds, but it's quite an expensive round to put through a gun. I prefer .9mm parabellum ammo (I have a Taurus 92 for home defense) but lately it's been in short supply around here, I've had to settle for .9mm luger--less accurate but better than telling an intruder "please don't hurt me!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32062


When your old enough to own one I suggest you check your cartridge designations. 9mm Luger and 9mm Para. are the same round.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: 9mm or .45 ACP? What is your preferred home defense round?
beretta 9mm with a crimson trace laser sight. Just grab the gun and the grip turns on the laser.

Taurus is making a revolver that fires .45 or a 410 shot shell.

That my next purchase.

[link to www.taurususa.com]
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Re: 9mm or .45 ACP? What is your preferred home defense round?
I own a Springfield Armory XD-9 9mm with Hollow Metal Jacket rounds (17 rounds), it would do the trick.

At my shop I carry a Walther P22 with factory laser. Just in case you wanted to know. ;-)
 Quoting: Follower of Jesus


Why would you carry something as large as a P22? 10 rounds of .22LR is hardly a good defense firearm.

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