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9mm or .45 ACP? What is your preferred home defense round?

 
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Hammers, bricks, and knives can be used by children to kill.
Are you afraid of them as well?
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You American's with your gun fetishism are truly embarrassing.
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That's why we will kick your ass!
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A man with a gun is a citizen, a man without a gun is a subject. Our forefathers knew this to be true..... Why do so many of us question their wisdom?
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My favorite quote...

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776, Jefferson Papers 344
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I love how stupid redneck americans think that their crappy little guns would protect them from the government, okay lets make this clear you cowards with your nickel plated 9mm and ya massive magnum sized hand cannons along with your automatic rifles and pump action shotguns would last about all of five minutes against a real army, never mind the best equiped and most advanced, so lets be honest your all packing because your all afraid, your cowards who cant summon enough courage inside your own homes, is it because your weak ? do you not feel that you are strong enough to protect yourself or your loved ones without a gun ? I mean I can understand your cowardess, I mean everyone has a gun so if you dont then you dont stand a chance right ? It must really suck to afraid all the time, I would feel sorry for you if you werent so pathetic.
Like smith said in shoot em up, I HATE A PUSSY WITH GUN IN HIS HAND.



Pussys with guns in their hands defeated what, at that time, was the most powerful and far reaching army on the face of the earth. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

Tell me, exactly, how strong you will be when three thugs invade your home with their illegally gotten weapons? Exactly, how strong are you? What is your plan to protect yourself? Keep your daughters from being raped, your wife or husband from being murdered in front of you? How is that particular weakness (being unarmed and unprotected) showing any kind of strength?

Does anyone else hear the fear in this shit, what happens when your out numbered by ten thousand zulu warriors, blah blah blah, Well it sounds like you would be more afraid than the guy you would be shooting at for a start, and if that ever happend i would act like a man and defend me and my family but there would be no garantee I would even stand a chance, is that what your gun does for you ? make you feel like you could win hands down everytime ? Did anyone one watch that crime stoppers where the little old lady disarms a robber, cowards believe other men to be cowards, its how they deal with their fear, me I like sharpe pointed things that can be thrown, I dont need a cannon to kill someone everywhere I look I see a weapon.
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FEAR? LOL sounds like I am not afraid at all. I know when it comes right down to it, I have an equalizer...sharp pointy objects that can be thrown with deadly force...explain to me (go slow) how YOUR deadly force is any different than mine....I don't need a spear to kill someone, and I don't need to look any further than my bedside to find a weapon to defend my home with..nice sharp, pointy projectiles.

LOL tell me, how you would act like a man and defend your wife and daughters while searching for a nice sharp thing that can be thrown..after you've been shot in the head??? Please explain it to me. After you explain it to me, ask Dr. Petit if he wished he'd had a gun in the house...when his wife was strangled and his two daughters were raped and murdered and SET ON FIRE....and he was beaten within an inch of his life....I bet at this point the good Doc would give his life to have been armed and able to prevent that from happening. He can't go back now...too late.

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That will not happen in THIS house.

And yes, my gun gives me a chance, it equalizes me with the bad guy coming into my home. I now have a chance I didn't before, (of course, ruling out a search for a pointy thing to throw at them.) I am not afraid. I am ready. SInce when is readiness=to fear...there are countless tails of little old ladies defending themselves with weapons..one old gal slept with a shotgun next to her in bed (high crime area) and blew the head off a guy who came into her room expecting her to be a defenseless old lady he intended to rape (like he had others) at gun point...boy did he get a surprise...then there is the old lady with the WALKER who shot the tires out of a car of men who had just robbed her barn and were fleeing...a 357 magnum I believe...they took off on foot but were easily found by the cops....ha, fleeing from an 84 year old great grandmother who had just blown their tires to hell and back..did she sound afraid to YOU?

In a perfect world no one would need to protect themselves and the lion would lay down with the lamb...now you tell me, how are you going to convince the bad guys to do that? I'm waiting to hear a good plan.
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My favorite quote...

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776, Jefferson Papers 344
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 298873

That is a great quote, and those living in disarmed countries should ask themselves, "Why doesn't my government trust me with a firearm?"
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I love how stupid redneck americans think that their crappy little guns would protect them from the government, okay lets make this clear you cowards with your nickel plated 9mm and ya massive magnum sized hand cannons along with your automatic rifles and pump action shotguns would last about all of five minutes against a real army, never mind the best equiped and most advanced, so lets be honest your all packing because your all afraid, your cowards who cant summon enough courage inside your own homes, is it because your weak ? do you not feel that you are strong enough to protect yourself or your loved ones without a gun ? I mean I can understand your cowardess, I mean everyone has a gun so if you dont then you dont stand a chance right ? It must really suck to afraid all the time, I would feel sorry for you if you werent so pathetic.
Like smith said in shoot em up, I HATE A PUSSY WITH GUN IN HIS HAND.



Pussys with guns in their hands defeated what, at that time, was the most powerful and far reaching army on the face of the earth. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

Tell me, exactly, how strong you will be when three thugs invade your home with their illegally gotten weapons? Exactly, how strong are you? What is your plan to protect yourself? Keep your daughters from being raped, your wife or husband from being murdered in front of you? How is that particular weakness (being unarmed and unprotected) showing any kind of strength?

Does anyone else hear the fear in this shit, what happens when your out numbered by ten thousand zulu warriors, blah blah blah, Well it sounds like you would be more afraid than the guy you would be shooting at for a start, and if that ever happend i would act like a man and defend me and my family but there would be no garantee I would even stand a chance, is that what your gun does for you ? make you feel like you could win hands down everytime ? Did anyone one watch that crime stoppers where the little old lady disarms a robber, cowards believe other men to be cowards, its how they deal with their fear, me I like sharpe pointed things that can be thrown, I dont need a cannon to kill someone everywhere I look I see a weapon.
 Quoting: shameless 298864



FEAR? LOL sounds like I am not afraid at all. I know when it comes right down to it, I have an equalizer...sharp pointy objects that can be thrown with deadly force...explain to me (go slow) how YOUR deadly force is any different than mine....I don't need a spear to kill someone, and I don't need to look any further than my bedside to find a weapon to defend my home with..nice sharp, pointy projectiles.

LOL tell me, how you would act like a man and defend your wife and daughters while searching for a nice sharp thing that can be thrown..after you've been shot in the head??? Please explain it to me. After you explain it to me, ask Dr. Petit if he wished he'd had a gun in the house...when his wife was strangled and his two daughters were raped and murdered and SET ON FIRE....and he was beaten within an inch of his life....I bet at this point the good Doc would give his life to have been armed and able to prevent that from happening. He can't go back now...too late.

[link to www.wfsb.com]

That will not happen in THIS house.

And yes, my gun gives me a chance, it equalizes me with the bad guy coming into my home. I now have a chance I didn't before, (of course, ruling out a search for a pointy thing to throw at them.) I am not afraid. I am ready. SInce when is readiness=to fear...there are countless tails of little old ladies defending themselves with weapons..one old gal slept with a shotgun next to her in bed (high crime area) and blew the head off a guy who came into her room expecting her to be a defenseless old lady he intended to rape (like he had others) at gun point...boy did he get a surprise...then there is the old lady with the WALKER who shot the tires out of a car of men who had just robbed her barn and were fleeing...a 357 magnum I believe...they took off on foot but were easily found by the cops....ha, fleeing from an 84 year old great grandmother who had just blown their tires to hell and back..did she sound afraid to YOU?

In a perfect world no one would need to protect themselves and the lion would lay down with the lamb...now you tell me, how are you going to convince the bad guys to do that? I'm waiting to hear a good plan.

[link to www.stltoday.com]

now, while you are off looking for something pointy to throw at the carjacker (supposing you are not already dead) he's made off with your baby daughter.

If someone tries to carjack ME, he will be shot in the face immediatly. Do I sound afraid to YOU?
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Your guns have one purpose, TO KILL, its made so fucking easy children can use them and they do, taking a life should not easy, yopu should have to put some effort into it, dont you think ?

None of my guns have ever killed anyone. They have slain a few animals and beer cans. Don't be scared, I won't shoot you unless you threaten my life and leave me no choice.
 Quoting: Evil Twin

To think some cowardly poof could kill someone with the twitch of their finger, its just seems so very cowardly, I was born in the wrong age, take me to a time where a mans skill and courage kept him alive, a time when being a free man meant something, back when soldiers were warriors and wars were fought up close and personnel when taking life required you face your enemy taste his blood and sweat and watch the look on his face as you hacked him to tiny bits with a sharp bit of metal.
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"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776, Jefferson Papers 344
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"to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

Not working very well then is it, cos no one's doing fuck all about tyranny in government, you've still got yer guns, why don't yer do something?
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Your guns have one purpose, TO KILL, its made so fucking easy children can use them and they do, taking a life should not easy, yopu should have to put some effort into it, dont you think ?

None of my guns have ever killed anyone. They have slain a few animals and beer cans. Don't be scared, I won't shoot you unless you threaten my life and leave me no choice.

To think some cowardly poof could kill someone with the twitch of their finger, its just seems so very cowardly, I was born in the wrong age, take me to a time where a mans skill and courage kept him alive, a time when being a free man meant something, back when soldiers were warriors and wars were fought up close and personnel when taking life required you face your enemy taste his blood and sweat and watch the look on his face as you hacked him to tiny bits with a sharp bit of metal.
 Quoting: shameless 298864



i don't want some aids infested crackhead anywhere near me, and i have the weapons and ability to eliminate them at over six hundred yards, i wouldn't have it any other way, IF, they have made their intentions clear to harm me

don't get to hung up on the distance in your response, it is the intent that counts
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Israel's Mossad

"The truth shall set you free."

U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto
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Your guns have one purpose, TO KILL, its made so fucking easy children can use them and they do, taking a life should not easy, yopu should have to put some effort into it, dont you think ?

None of my guns have ever killed anyone. They have slain a few animals and beer cans. Don't be scared, I won't shoot you unless you threaten my life and leave me no choice.

To think some cowardly poof could kill someone with the twitch of their finger, its just seems so very cowardly, I was born in the wrong age, take me to a time where a mans skill and courage kept him alive, a time when being a free man meant something, back when soldiers were warriors and wars were fought up close and personnel when taking life required you face your enemy taste his blood and sweat and watch the look on his face as you hacked him to tiny bits with a sharp bit of metal.
 Quoting: shameless 298864

You obviously have no idea about the skill required to use a firearm effectively. It takes a lot of practice and determination to place an aimed shot under pressure.
Look at the statistics on police shootings. Typically around 4-5 misses for every hit.
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Your guns have one purpose, TO KILL, its made so fucking easy children can use them and they do, taking a life should not easy, yopu should have to put some effort into it, dont you think ?

None of my guns have ever killed anyone. They have slain a few animals and beer cans. Don't be scared, I won't shoot you unless you threaten my life and leave me no choice.

To think some cowardly poof could kill someone with the twitch of their finger, its just seems so very cowardly, I was born in the wrong age, take me to a time where a mans skill and courage kept him alive, a time when being a free man meant something, back when soldiers were warriors and wars were fought up close and personnel when taking life required you face your enemy taste his blood and sweat and watch the look on his face as you hacked him to tiny bits with a sharp bit of metal.

You obviously have no idea about the skill required to use a firearm effectively. It takes a lot of practice and determination to place an aimed shot under pressure.
Look at the statistics on police shootings. Typically around 4-5 misses for every hit.
 Quoting: Evil Twin



and people who are serious about using them for defense purposes TRAIN in ways that simulate stress. Believe it or not, many many gun owners do more than just buy a gun and sit it on a table. I did, and so have most others I know, excluding those with war experience of course. I know men who could shoot a pimple off the ass of a flea at 600 yards...and if you want to get educated about serious gun owners and shooters, take a field trip out to your local rifle and gun club. You will be surprised.
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I love how stupid redneck americans think that their crappy little guns would protect them from the government, okay lets make this clear you cowards with your nickel plated 9mm and ya massive magnum sized hand cannons along with your automatic rifles and pump action shotguns would last about all of five minutes against a real army, never mind the best equiped and most advanced, so lets be honest your all packing because your all afraid, your cowards who cant summon enough courage inside your own homes, is it because your weak ? do you not feel that you are strong enough to protect yourself or your loved ones without a gun ? I mean I can understand your cowardess, I mean everyone has a gun so if you dont then you dont stand a chance right ? It must really suck to afraid all the time, I would feel sorry for you if you werent so pathetic.
Like smith said in shoot em up, I HATE A PUSSY WITH GUN IN HIS HAND.



Pussys with guns in their hands defeated what, at that time, was the most powerful and far reaching army on the face of the earth. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

Tell me, exactly, how strong you will be when three thugs invade your home with their illegally gotten weapons? Exactly, how strong are you? What is your plan to protect yourself? Keep your daughters from being raped, your wife or husband from being murdered in front of you? How is that particular weakness (being unarmed and unprotected) showing any kind of strength?

Does anyone else hear the fear in this shit, what happens when your out numbered by ten thousand zulu warriors, blah blah blah, Well it sounds like you would be more afraid than the guy you would be shooting at for a start, and if that ever happend i would act like a man and defend me and my family but there would be no garantee I would even stand a chance, is that what your gun does for you ? make you feel like you could win hands down everytime ? Did anyone one watch that crime stoppers where the little old lady disarms a robber, cowards believe other men to be cowards, its how they deal with their fear, me I like sharpe pointed things that can be thrown, I dont need a cannon to kill someone everywhere I look I see a weapon.



FEAR? LOL sounds like I am not afraid at all. I know when it comes right down to it, I have an equalizer...sharp pointy objects that can be thrown with deadly force...explain to me (go slow) how YOUR deadly force is any different than mine....I don't need a spear to kill someone, and I don't need to look any further than my bedside to find a weapon to defend my home with..nice sharp, pointy projectiles.

LOL tell me, how you would act like a man and defend your wife and daughters while searching for a nice sharp thing that can be thrown..after you've been shot in the head??? Please explain it to me. After you explain it to me, ask Dr. Petit if he wished he'd had a gun in the house...when his wife was strangled and his two daughters were raped and murdered and SET ON FIRE....and he was beaten within an inch of his life....I bet at this point the good Doc would give his life to have been armed and able to prevent that from happening. He can't go back now...too late.

[link to www.wfsb.com]

That will not happen in THIS house.

And yes, my gun gives me a chance, it equalizes me with the bad guy coming into my home. I now have a chance I didn't before, (of course, ruling out a search for a pointy thing to throw at them.) I am not afraid. I am ready. SInce when is readiness=to fear...there are countless tails of little old ladies defending themselves with weapons..one old gal slept with a shotgun next to her in bed (high crime area) and blew the head off a guy who came into her room expecting her to be a defenseless old lady he intended to rape (like he had others) at gun point...boy did he get a surprise...then there is the old lady with the WALKER who shot the tires out of a car of men who had just robbed her barn and were fleeing...a 357 magnum I believe...they took off on foot but were easily found by the cops....ha, fleeing from an 84 year old great grandmother who had just blown their tires to hell and back..did she sound afraid to YOU?

In a perfect world no one would need to protect themselves and the lion would lay down with the lamb...now you tell me, how are you going to convince the bad guys to do that? I'm waiting to hear a good plan.

[link to www.stltoday.com]

now, while you are off looking for something pointy to throw at the carjacker (supposing you are not already dead) he's made off with your baby daughter.

If someone tries to carjack ME, he will be shot in the face immediatly. Do I sound afraid to YOU?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 281673

I doubt that would need anything to deal with a pussy like you, sur I could kill you with the pen I keep next to my bed but I would rather just crush your windpipe or smash your face in with my fists, and if I robbed your house you wouldnt hear anything until you awoke to find yorself stairing down the barrel of your own gun, I suppose the difference between us is I dont fear some would be attacker enough to prepare for a home invasion, nope I sleep just fine without a gun, and as for robbers, have you even ever met one, I HAVE, went back to the mates house to find some guy in his house, and he ran like the fucking wind, oh and check this we chased after him, I would hate to think what would have happend if he was in a gun cabinet instead stereo cabinet.
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Your guns have one purpose, TO KILL, its made so fucking easy children can use them and they do, taking a life should not easy, yopu should have to put some effort into it, dont you think ?

None of my guns have ever killed anyone. They have slain a few animals and beer cans. Don't be scared, I won't shoot you unless you threaten my life and leave me no choice.

To think some cowardly poof could kill someone with the twitch of their finger, its just seems so very cowardly, I was born in the wrong age, take me to a time where a mans skill and courage kept him alive, a time when being a free man meant something, back when soldiers were warriors and wars were fought up close and personnel when taking life required you face your enemy taste his blood and sweat and watch the look on his face as you hacked him to tiny bits with a sharp bit of metal.

You obviously have no idea about the skill required to use a firearm effectively. It takes a lot of practice and determination to place an aimed shot under pressure.
Look at the statistics on police shootings. Typically around 4-5 misses for every hit.
 Quoting: Evil Twin

what a load of shit, any coward with a finger and an eye can use a gun, it takes no talent or skill.
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what a load of shit, any coward with a finger and an eye can use a gun, it takes no talent or skill.
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lmao

I'd love for you to come shooting with me. I'll bet you wet your pants, and can't hit the broad side of a barn from 10 paces.
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Your guns have one purpose, TO KILL, its made so fucking easy children can use them and they do, taking a life should not easy, yopu should have to put some effort into it, dont you think ?

None of my guns have ever killed anyone. They have slain a few animals and beer cans. Don't be scared, I won't shoot you unless you threaten my life and leave me no choice.

To think some cowardly poof could kill someone with the twitch of their finger, its just seems so very cowardly, I was born in the wrong age, take me to a time where a mans skill and courage kept him alive, a time when being a free man meant something, back when soldiers were warriors and wars were fought up close and personnel when taking life required you face your enemy taste his blood and sweat and watch the look on his face as you hacked him to tiny bits with a sharp bit of metal.

You obviously have no idea about the skill required to use a firearm effectively. It takes a lot of practice and determination to place an aimed shot under pressure.
Look at the statistics on police shootings. Typically around 4-5 misses for every hit.



and people who are serious about using them for defense purposes TRAIN in ways that simulate stress. Believe it or not, many many gun owners do more than just buy a gun and sit it on a table. I did, and so have most others I know, excluding those with war experience of course. I know men who could shoot a pimple off the ass of a flea at 600 yards...and if you want to get educated about serious gun owners and shooters, take a field trip out to your local rifle and gun club. You will be surprised.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 281673

Guns are like most other modern bits of technology, advanced engineering that a monkey could use, its the weapon not the warrior.
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what a load of shit, any coward with a finger and an eye can use a gun, it takes no talent or skill.
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Spoken by someone who wouldn't have a clue which end of the barrel the round came out of.
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what a load of shit, any coward with a finger and an eye can use a gun, it takes no talent or skill.

lmao

I'd love for you to come shooting with me. I'll bet you wet your pants, and can't hit the broad side of a barn from 10 paces.
 Quoting: Evil Twin

Believe it or not I have held and fired guns, in some countries you can play with artillery and rocket launchers for less than a tenner but I was not impressed, I never got a thrill from holding one and it didnt make me feel more powerfull, it was loud and easy, I guess thats why americans like them so much, it takes no effort or skill, fuck all ya have to do is point and pull the trigger.
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it takes no effort or skill, fuck all ya have to do is point and pull the trigger.
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That tells me you are full of shit.
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I would like to use .45 ACP rounds, but it's quite an expensive round to put through a gun. I prefer .9mm parabellum ammo (I have a Taurus 92 for home defense) but lately it's been in short supply around here, I've had to settle for .9mm luger--less accurate but better than telling an intruder "please don't hurt me!"


When your old enough to own one I suggest you check your cartridge designations. 9mm Luger and 9mm Para. are the same round.

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And when you're old enough to grow some pubes, I might take you to the range one day. The difference I meant was between local gun shops who try to push locally made ammunition (which costs more) versus either Federal or Winchester ammo, or steel or brass jacketed loads. And lately all the shops around here have been short on nationally made ammo and are pushing reloads.
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Believe it or not I have held and fired guns, in some countries you can play with artillery and rocket launchers for less than a tenner but I was not impressed, I never got a thrill from holding one and it didnt make me feel more powerfull, it was loud and easy, I guess thats why americans like them so much, it takes no effort or skill, fuck all ya have to do is point and pull the trigger.
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You're right, I don't believe you.
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guns are evil


chuckle
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Hey 284165 do you realize you just proved his point by what you said?
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what a load of shit, any coward with a finger and an eye can use a gun, it takes no talent or skill.


Spoken by someone who wouldn't have a clue which end of the barrel the round came out of.
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Yeah your right Im sorry, its like rocket science or brain surgery, right ? I mean its not like they make them so simple and functional a retard could use one right ?
Yep it takes a real artist to line up the sights and sqeeze a trigger, I mean its not like they are easy to load or fire right ? its not like everything you need to know is written on the gun itself right ? whatever
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I love how stupid redneck americans think that their crappy little guns would protect them from the government, okay lets make this clear you cowards with your nickel plated 9mm and ya massive magnum sized hand cannons along with your automatic rifles and pump action shotguns would last about all of five minutes against a real army, never mind the best equiped and most advanced, so lets be honest your all packing because your all afraid, your cowards who cant summon enough courage inside your own homes, is it because your weak ? do you not feel that you are strong enough to protect yourself or your loved ones without a gun ? I mean I can understand your cowardess, I mean everyone has a gun so if you dont then you dont stand a chance right ? It must really suck to afraid all the time, I would feel sorry for you if you werent so pathetic.
Like smith said in shoot em up, I HATE A PUSSY WITH GUN IN HIS HAND.



Pussys with guns in their hands defeated what, at that time, was the most powerful and far reaching army on the face of the earth. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

Tell me, exactly, how strong you will be when three thugs invade your home with their illegally gotten weapons? Exactly, how strong are you? What is your plan to protect yourself? Keep your daughters from being raped, your wife or husband from being murdered in front of you? How is that particular weakness (being unarmed and unprotected) showing any kind of strength?

Does anyone else hear the fear in this shit, what happens when your out numbered by ten thousand zulu warriors, blah blah blah, Well it sounds like you would be more afraid than the guy you would be shooting at for a start, and if that ever happend i would act like a man and defend me and my family but there would be no garantee I would even stand a chance, is that what your gun does for you ? make you feel like you could win hands down everytime ? Did anyone one watch that crime stoppers where the little old lady disarms a robber, cowards believe other men to be cowards, its how they deal with their fear, me I like sharpe pointed things that can be thrown, I dont need a cannon to kill someone everywhere I look I see a weapon.



FEAR? LOL sounds like I am not afraid at all. I know when it comes right down to it, I have an equalizer...sharp pointy objects that can be thrown with deadly force...explain to me (go slow) how YOUR deadly force is any different than mine....I don't need a spear to kill someone, and I don't need to look any further than my bedside to find a weapon to defend my home with..nice sharp, pointy projectiles.

LOL tell me, how you would act like a man and defend your wife and daughters while searching for a nice sharp thing that can be thrown..after you've been shot in the head??? Please explain it to me. After you explain it to me, ask Dr. Petit if he wished he'd had a gun in the house...when his wife was strangled and his two daughters were raped and murdered and SET ON FIRE....and he was beaten within an inch of his life....I bet at this point the good Doc would give his life to have been armed and able to prevent that from happening. He can't go back now...too late.

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That will not happen in THIS house.

And yes, my gun gives me a chance, it equalizes me with the bad guy coming into my home. I now have a chance I didn't before, (of course, ruling out a search for a pointy thing to throw at them.) I am not afraid. I am ready. SInce when is readiness=to fear...there are countless tails of little old ladies defending themselves with weapons..one old gal slept with a shotgun next to her in bed (high crime area) and blew the head off a guy who came into her room expecting her to be a defenseless old lady he intended to rape (like he had others) at gun point...boy did he get a surprise...then there is the old lady with the WALKER who shot the tires out of a car of men who had just robbed her barn and were fleeing...a 357 magnum I believe...they took off on foot but were easily found by the cops....ha, fleeing from an 84 year old great grandmother who had just blown their tires to hell and back..did she sound afraid to YOU?

In a perfect world no one would need to protect themselves and the lion would lay down with the lamb...now you tell me, how are you going to convince the bad guys to do that? I'm waiting to hear a good plan.

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now, while you are off looking for something pointy to throw at the carjacker (supposing you are not already dead) he's made off with your baby daughter.

If someone tries to carjack ME, he will be shot in the face immediatly. Do I sound afraid to YOU?

I doubt that would need anything to deal with a pussy like you, sur I could kill you with the pen I keep next to my bed but I would rather just crush your windpipe or smash your face in with my fists, and if I robbed your house you wouldnt hear anything until you awoke to find yorself stairing down the barrel of your own gun, I suppose the difference between us is I dont fear some would be attacker enough to prepare for a home invasion, nope I sleep just fine without a gun, and as for robbers, have you even ever met one, I HAVE, went back to the mates house to find some guy in his house, and he ran like the fucking wind, oh and check this we chased after him, I would hate to think what would have happend if he was in a gun cabinet instead stereo cabinet.
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ROTFLMAO first you'd have to get close enough to choke me or kill me with your ink pen...lol and there is no way you'd get into MY house without waking me up. You're lucky the robber in your mate's house didn't turn around and shoot you...if you come into my house without an invite, be prepared to die.

And for the dipshit who says it takes no skill to fire a gun you're right it takes no skill whatsoever to point and pull a trigger. As I so aptly learned watching some boyz from the hood at the shooting range decked out in their gang wear... pointing and pulling the trigger and trying like hell to hit the damm target. They must have blown through a hundred dollars worth of ammo....I caught them looking at my target....which had the head blown away at 15 yards...I also saw them watching me load the gun and put it in my belly band and pull my shirt down over it. Trust me, I bet they'll think twice before pulling their gun on someone wondering if that someone can and will shoot back...and actually HIT what they're aiming at. Because just looking at me...those asswipes would never guess that not only do I have a gun, I sure as hell know how to use it.

having a gun and knowing how to use it effectively and safely are two different animals..and yes, it takes a real idiot to pull a 45 out and miss at two feet...but they aren't going to ever get that close to me...and still be standing.

Then there’s a friend of mine, a young martial arts expert who was attacked in the club district of our city late one nite but a knife wielding HOODZ.. LOL he took the knife away from the dude, stabbed him with it and the guy had the nerve to say “man why’d you do that?” Then with the knife he got in his car, and on the way home pitched it into the river…lol wondering how that particular hood was going to explain how he came to be stabbedJ
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Re: 9mm or .45 ACP? What is your preferred home defense round?
whats the shortest a shotgun barrel can be?
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the round you have isn't as important as accuracy and experience with the use of your weapon. With that said, a 12 gauge shotgun is probably all you really need. Put some weak bird or doveshot in for the first round and then some buckshot in as your additional round... just keep in mind that if you fire it indoors, you don't end up destroying your house in the process.

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whats the shortest a shotgun barrel can be?
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normally 18"

you may obtain a permit in many states for an AOW, any other weapon, to purchase a shotgun "pistol" with a barrel length of 10" or less, here is one of my fav's:

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normally 18"

you may obtain a permit in many states for an AOW, any other weapon, to purchase a shotgun "pistol" with a barrel length of 10" or less, here is one of my fav's:

[link to www.serbu.com]
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i saw mine off
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normally 18"

you may obtain a permit in many states for an AOW, any other weapon, to purchase a shotgun "pistol" with a barrel length of 10" or less, here is one of my fav's:

[link to www.serbu.com]



i saw mine off
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you waved it goodbye right?

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