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9mm or .45 ACP? What is your preferred home defense round?

 
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whats the shortest a shotgun barrel can be?



normally 18"

you may obtain a permit in many states for an AOW, any other weapon, to purchase a shotgun "pistol" with a barrel length of 10" or less, here is one of my fav's:

[link to www.serbu.com]



i saw mine off



you waved it goodbye right?

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malu I e'd you.
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whats the shortest a shotgun barrel can be?



normally 18"

you may obtain a permit in many states for an AOW, any other weapon, to purchase a shotgun "pistol" with a barrel length of 10" or less, here is one of my fav's:

[link to www.serbu.com]



i saw mine off



you waved it goodbye right?

hi

riiiigght
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good, because the other way that might be interpeted is a 10-15 year felony
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malu I e'd you.
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me no get it? :)
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malu I e'd you.



me no get it? :)
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oops,, me get it
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

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malu I e'd you.



me no get it? :)
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you didn't get my email?
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whats the shortest a shotgun barrel can be?



normally 18"

you may obtain a permit in many states for an AOW, any other weapon, to purchase a shotgun "pistol" with a barrel length of 10" or less, here is one of my fav's:

[link to www.serbu.com]



i saw mine off



you waved it goodbye right?

hi

riiiigght



good, because the other way that might be interpeted is a 10-15 year felony
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Yeah, I know..good thing that's not what I was talking about.
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You know how you keep a theif out of your house, by keeping your door UNLOCKED

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Dogs are more effective. My neighbors who don't have dogs were hit. I never have been.
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how is the farm treating you? do you hunt by chance? i hunt with a camera these days, but i love venison
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how is the farm treating you? do you hunt by chance? i hunt with a camera these days, but i love venison
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The farm is funny. Since I have a crop, I can shoot deer anytime I want. I tried to cook venison but I didn't like how it turned out. I had a friend that made great venison jerky.
I love photography. I have photos of my horse on the wall.
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how is the farm treating you? do you hunt by chance? i hunt with a camera these days, but i love venison

The farm is funny. Since I have a crop, I can shoot deer anytime I want. I tried to cook venison but I didn't like how it turned out. I had a friend that made great venison jerky.
I love photography. I have photos of my horse on the wall.
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venison is very lean, we cube it and sautee it with bacon and onion, serve it over wild rice, it is very good

well if the shit hits the fan, at least you will have meat available
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I'm off for a hike in the forest. See ya later hot stuff.
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12 Gauge is the way to go. If you must go pistol as a primary home defense weapon, go .45 acp or .357 mag.

Stay the fuck away from 9mm, only thing it's good for is a frickin' poodle shooter.
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12 Gauge is the way to go. If you must go pistol as a primary home defense weapon, go .45 acp or .357 mag.

Stay the fuck away from 9mm, only thing it's good for is a frickin' poodle shooter.
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i find that if you cook poodles with bacon and onion they are quite tasty! ;)

did you know that flame throwers are legal with no restrictions in all 50 states? i need one
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You American's with your gun fetishism are truly embarrassing.

Yep it serves as proof of how pathetic they really are, scared of their own shadows.



you euro fags are a hoot! go hug your muslim brothers will ya? btw, that tingling feeling in your back is a knife

i am with Duncan on this, i will grab a shotgun everytime, may have a revolver as a back up in case i jam in all the excitement, happens, but pistols in general are an oh shit weapon

the exception being a driver in a car


Shotgun is better, but hard to conceal when you have to answer the door at 2:00AM.

If you come to my door at night, don't ask what's hidden in the folded over magazine in my hand.
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I would never answer the door at night to unexpected company without my friend behind my back. One night it was pitch black and I answered the door with my "friend" and it was the sheriff and my friend stayed behind my back. Btw...the sheriff was looking for a neighbor who had moved.
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guns are evil


chuckle
i dare you to put a sign in your front yard stating that guns are evil



Hey 284165 do you realize you just proved his point by what you said?
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chuckle
no... please explain it to me
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guns are evil


chuckle
i dare you to put a sign in your front yard stating that guns are evil



Hey 284165 do you realize you just proved his point by what you said?


chuckle
no... please explain it to me
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ahhh
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12 Gauge is the way to go. If you must go pistol as a primary home defense weapon, go .45 acp or .357 mag.

Stay the fuck away from 9mm, only thing it's good for is a frickin' poodle shooter.
 Quoting: ^Omega^


Yeah...but .45acp and .357 ain't much better. With .45acp you're talking about 300, sometimes as much as 500, feet per second slower than 9mm. The .357 doesn't have THAT problem, but you better make your 6 rounds count. After that it's time to fumble...usually in the dark...for the reloads. My cousin's classic F-up was to brag to me how his .38 revolver was soooo much better cause it never failed to fire. If you hit a dud, it wouldn't matter cause it just rolls over to the next chamber. Two days later he was at the range and the little bead firing pin on his hammer sheared off. So his revolver went "Click, click" instead of "Boom boom". He was honest enough to come back and admit his error to me. That was when he...and myself also...realized that a revolver can malfunction just like an automatic.

I lost faith in the .45acp after seeing the video about the cop who pulled over the guy and made him cut open boxes in the back of his truck. Instead he tries to stab the cop. One of the boxes had cocaine in it. Cop twists away, whips out his hogleg, and put one into the guy. 45ACP. Guy with the knife tells the cop, "You shot me." then proceeds to try to stab the cop. They end up wrestling around and the cop final takes him down to the pavement and handcuffs him. But shooting him wasn't the way he stopped him.

Pistols are pistols. Guys have survived and fought on with 7mm Mauser rifle bullets in them during WWI and WW2. How can a .45ACP travelling 4 times slower compete with that?

No, the best gun now...in my opinion...is one that is A. reliable in function (loads and shoots, ejects and feeds)everytime, and B. is accurate so that you hit what you aim at. Caliber isn't that big a deal. A Ruger Mark II shooting .22 is better than a Hi-Point .45...if that Hi-Point .45 isn't reliable and accurate.

Shot placement is everything. Where you shoot is more important than what you shoot.
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Check out the new Taurus Judge. 45LC/.410 shotshell
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I don't know what kind of "15 rd special dispenser" you'd need for a burglar (or where you'd buy one), but I do know that sawing the barrel to less than eighteen inches from the breech to the muzzle could get you a hefty fine and a jail term -- or worse, to which the late Ms. Vicki Weaver could attest!

Do you cross the streets at the cross walks only too?
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Not necessarily, but I don't do dumb things just to show the world I can. A typical slide action shotgun, like a Mossberg 500, with an 18-1/4" barrel and the standard stock (yes, there are those who prefer the pistol stock, but that's another issue) is extremely maneuverable inside the house, will work out to maybe 30 or 40 feet, and does not invite the unwelcome attentions from Uncle Pig.

And, by the way, tell me more about the "15 rd special dispenser"; how does that work, and what brands of shotgun would it work with? Are you talking about a removable magazine like some of the old bolt-action shotguns?
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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5 pages now... i told ya so! HA!! same shit same thread time after time.
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M203
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You must not like your house.
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5 pages now... i told ya so! HA!! same shit same thread time after time.
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i guess there are a lot of gun lovers on this forum?


Duncan,, the only 15 round shotgun i know of are the street sweepers, which are now AOW, and require special tax stamps if you can find one
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M203


You must not like your house.
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you can get a buckshot round for those, the hole would only be about 3 feet in diameter instead of 10 :)
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Neither. Using a pistol for home defense is foolish.

Either round you mentioned involves using an autoloader, not a revolver, which means you (or your spouse) have to charge and aim it under night-time, high-stress conditions when your adrenaline is rising through the roof.

Then you have to aim it correctly, hoping that the round doesn't miss the Bad Guy, go through the wall and kill your child sleeping in the next room.

If you think you must be "macho" enough to have a handgun as a self-defense weapon, at least get a revolver firing either a .38 special or .357 magnum round. True, it might kill the person in the next room -- but at least you'll be able to fire it without dropping it on the floor as you try to chamber a round.

Better yet, invest in a 12-gauge slide-action shotgun with an 18-inch barrel and load it with #7 dove shot (don't charge it until the Bad Guy gets there -- just the sound of the round being chambered is enough to scare most Bad Guys off). If you must fire it indoors at typical indoor encounter distances (<10 feet) the shot won't disperse to more than three or four inches, will be stopped by most walls (even interior ones) and will having the Bad Guy explaining things to Jesus in short order.

As most of you know, I don't own a firearm and never will, but even I know that kind of basic stuff about home defense.


 Quoting: Duncan Kunz


Dunk, you don't know squat.

A)Why do you assume that the autolaoder doesn't have one up the spout in the first place? Or are you attempting a straw man argument. Naughty, naughty, that is intellectually dishonest.

B)Why do you assume that it is so difficult to rack the slide? Are you limp-wristed?

C) A long gun for encounters at less than 10 feet? You are asking to have that gun ripped out of your hands. Would you care for a demonstration?

Since you clearly don't know shit about the subject, please shut the fuck up.
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5 pages now... i told ya so! HA!! same shit same thread time after time.



i guess there are a lot of gun lovers on this forum?


Duncan,, the only 15 round shotgun i know of are the street sweepers, which are now AOW, and require special tax stamps if you can find one
 Quoting: malu


Some Saiga 10rd clips out there. And I once saw a 25 or 30 round drum mag on a butt ugly automatic shotgun. (Machine shotgun) There's a video on youtube for this gun. For civilian use though, I've never heard of 15 round dispensers.
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9mm or .45 ACP? What is your preferred home defense round?

(And don't tell me you prefer a bazooka or some nonsense like that)


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You must live in a bunker.
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Malu. Enjoy.
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*grin*
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5 pages now... i told ya so! HA!! same shit same thread time after time.



i guess there are a lot of gun lovers on this forum?


Duncan,, the only 15 round shotgun i know of are the street sweepers, which are now AOW, and require special tax stamps if you can find one


Some Saiga 10rd clips out there. And I once saw a 25 or 30 round drum mag on a butt ugly automatic shotgun. (Machine shotgun) There's a video on youtube for this gun. For civilian use though, I've never heard of 15 round dispensers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23413



the streetsweeper holds 12 rounds, my mistake:

[link to world.guns.ru]



i would love to have that butt ugly auto shotgun!
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